Leader Of Carson’s Church Tells Him To Stop Demonizing Muslims
Seventh Day Adventists face their own discrimination because it is not part of mainstream Christianity. For that reason, a leader of that church is asking that Ben Carson stop demonizing Muslims.
Geoffrey Nelson-Blake, who describes himself as a “clergy-trained fellow Seventh-day Adventist” and “director of the interfaith Community Organizing Residency at Bend the Arc,” has penned a lengthy open letter which is formally addressed to Ben Carson but appears to be aimed at educating the public on the differences between what his religion really stands for and what Carson is advocating.
“As a lifelong Seventh-day Adventist,” Nelson-Blake writes, “I am well aware (and assume you are, too) of the fears held by many in our community of the possibility of persecution for beliefs that differ from mainstream Christianity.” He goes on to opine that Carson’s demonizing of Muslims is similar to the manner in which others demonize Adventists.
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Buford2k11 October 11th, 2015 at 12:14
*cough**cult**cough*…..
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 12:48
I think that Muslims….do enough to demonize themselves. Maybe if they didn’t believe in the sanctity of death?? Good start.
jasperjava October 11th, 2015 at 12:49
Ignorant bigot.
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 12:50
Opinion…..and yours is ignorant of facts and wrong.
Larry Schmitt October 11th, 2015 at 13:11
His opinion is “wrong?” How is that possible?
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 13:24
It is not based in fact. He is entitled to be wrong….but that doesn’t mean that he still isn’t wrong.
Dwendt44 October 11th, 2015 at 16:43
Yours certainly isn’t based on facts, but you are free to be wrong, I just wish you wouldn’t practice that freedom so often.
arc99 October 11th, 2015 at 12:56
Christians do plenty to demonize themselves.
When they are not slaughtering each other in northern Ireland, they are here in this country demonstrating their mind numbing hypocrisy.
they rail against “Sharia law” while they simultaneously rally around a county clerk and hail her as a “hero” because she puts her religion ahead of her legal obligation to do her job.
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 12:57
We are talking about Muslims….and let me expound for you.
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called’hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
Unlike nearly all of the Old Testament verses of violence, the verses of violence in the Quran are mostly open-ended, meaning that they are not restrained by the historical context of the surrounding text. They are part of the eternal, unchanging word of Allah, and just as relevant or subject to interpretation as anything else in the Quran.
The context of violent passages is more ambiguous than might be expected of a perfect book from a loving God; however this works both ways. Most of today’s Muslims exercise a personal choice to interpret their holy book’s call to arms according to their own moral preconceptions about justifiable violence. Apologists cater to their preferences with tenuous arguments that gloss over historical fact and generally do not stand up to scrutiny. Still, it is important to note that the problem is not bad people, but bad ideology.
Unfortunately, there are very few verses of tolerance and peace to abrogate or even balance out the many that call for nonbelievers to be fought and subdued until they either accept humiliation, convert to Islam, or are killed. Muhammad’s own martial legacy – and that of his companions – along with the remarkable stress on violence found in the Quran have produced a trail of blood and tears across world history.
William October 11th, 2015 at 12:59
We are talking about Muslims….and let me expound for you.
NO
Let me “expound you”
You’re a narrow minded a&&hole.
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 13:00
Personal attacks are not allowed….little bill. I guess you can’t stand it when someone bests you. Sorry….I take no prisoners with the ignorant.
William October 11th, 2015 at 13:03
You attacked yourself by highlighting your ignorance. Somehow I don’t feel like I am a prisoner of a nameless faceless troll who spews hate from the safety and anonymity of a keyboard.
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 13:06
I am not a troll…and your personal attacks must stop. I have commented about this story and destroyed your baseless…”christians are bad” argument that was supported by zero substance (just MSNBC regurg) and limited thinking. Diminished capacity should be a reason to learn more….or stay off the site…but if you argue with me you better be ready to take on some water cause I am gonna hose you down with the facts and the truth.
You been hosed.
William October 11th, 2015 at 13:07
Nobody said Christians were bad. You’re the idiot who dismisses the contributions of Muslims when you paint the entire faith with your hate filled homophobic, hide under a rock brush.
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 13:16
Again….with the personal attacks. If you continue…you will be removed.
If you can’t stand having a conversation with someone who differs from your point of view then you are in trouble….and angry. Not everyone will think like you….even you must admit….it is more than a bit on the fringe. Maybe there is a thread that you can swim in where you won’t be at risk of drowning in ignorance and anger.
William October 11th, 2015 at 13:17
Again….with the personal attacks. If you continue…you will be removed.
Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha,Ha.
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 13:18
It’s alright….liberal intolerance and the intolerance of Islam are kindred spirits.
William October 11th, 2015 at 13:18
So Skippy? When exactly can I expect to be “removed”?
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 13:21
Probably never kid…..you are just the kind that this San Francisco based organization likes…..don’t drop the soap….unless that is your bag.
William October 11th, 2015 at 13:24
A. Liberaland is pretty much NYC
B. Your empty threat AND preoccupation with “dropping soap” is duly noted.
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 13:25
Disqus….is a creation from the Bay Area…and that is pretty much the leftist of left coasts……NYC….yeah it is goofy too.
William October 11th, 2015 at 13:27
Disqus….is a creation from the Bay Area
Yet you do seem to spend a lot of time there. That and your completely out of the blue comment about “dropping soap” speaks volumes.
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 13:30
I really hurt you with that soap comment about you….it was a question and I wasn’t judging. It’s your life bro….and that is your choice. Sorry for the harm.
Anomaly 100 October 11th, 2015 at 17:48
I think you’re done here.
whatthe46 October 11th, 2015 at 14:28
who’s going to remove him, you? LMFAO!
tracey marie October 11th, 2015 at 14:47
translation…I am a troll
Anomaly 100 October 11th, 2015 at 17:49
Yes, you are a troll and while we welcome different views here, we don’t allow attacks on our readers.
arc99 October 11th, 2015 at 13:06
Pretty funny for someone espousing religious bigotry to whine about personal attacks as you make a personal attack against the beliefs of tens of millions of people.
Fortunately, your biases do not govern this country. Muslims have the same rights as all of us, including First Amendment and Article 6 protections. Sorry if that offends you.
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 13:09
I never said Muslims don’t have the same rights….this is the USA….the greatest and most benevolent nation state ever to grace the planet. We have tolerance….they want submission. They won’t get submission here….except a few of the folks who would gladly hand over their freedoms for the sanctity of death. Maybe….you have submitted…..
arc99 October 11th, 2015 at 13:11
I tried to avoid the personal attacks you reference. My reward is some bullsh*t from you about submitting.
If you want respect, give it. Otherwise, from here on, you spit in my face, I will spit right back…
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 13:13
You are the only one who has resorted to personal attacks….and all because you are intolerant of people who oppose your views. I have remained above your attacks and will continue…but you have been warned.
arc99 October 11th, 2015 at 13:17
Yes I am intolerant of religious bigotry as all decent Americans should be.
Attack me all you want. Being attacked by someone advocating religious bigotry is the least of my concerns.
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 13:19
Do you have faith sister? It is just a question….do you mind answering?
allison1050 October 11th, 2015 at 15:11
Then you need to read your comments.
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 15:14
I have….and it is the intolerance of the liberal contributors on this space….who have resorted to personal attacks. I have not…on purpose to prove a point to the disease of intolerant liberalism. Censoring and removing freedom of expression is the only way that they can compete in the war of ideas. If anyone disagrees with their insanity….they flip out and try to end it immediately because they are always in indefensible positions.
I can never be stopped….we are legion.
mea_mark October 11th, 2015 at 15:16
I just stopped you. You are done here.
whatthe46 October 11th, 2015 at 15:30
laughing. he set himself up for that one. good going mark.
mea_mark October 11th, 2015 at 15:32
Sometimes, well, timing is everything.
Tammy Minton Haley October 11th, 2015 at 15:44
thank god! i was ever so tired of THAT!
allison1050 October 11th, 2015 at 18:06
lol
allison1050 October 11th, 2015 at 15:22
Stop lying gurl, you didn’t read what you wrote.
Dwendt44 October 11th, 2015 at 16:39
Who’s this ‘WE’? You got a turd in your pocket?
bpollen October 11th, 2015 at 18:26
Watch your spelling!
It’s spelled L.E.S.I.O.N.
We are lesion!
Now you try.
Chris October 11th, 2015 at 18:45
Funny you say your are legion.
Mark 5:9 – Then Jesus asked him “What is your name?”
“My name is Legion,” (the possessed man) replied, “for we are many.”
In your case, truth in labelling.
tracey marie October 11th, 2015 at 18:52
warned?…translation…I is an askeered little boy trolling
tracey marie October 11th, 2015 at 14:48
Translation….I am a whiney troll
arc99 October 11th, 2015 at 13:03
you are entitled to your opinion.
I am guessing you are not a Muslim.
When the day comes that the best way to understand what it means to be a Southern Baptist is to consult an Orthodox rabbi, your opinion might have some merit.
Until then, the Old Testament is filled with horrific violence such as the infanticide in Psalsm 137:9
“”Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.::
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 13:07
Yes…it is my opinion…supported by fact. Yours is limited in fact….and more about emotion. Big drama…..limited.
arc99 October 11th, 2015 at 13:08
I quoted Psalms. that is not emotion.
So typical of Muslim haters. You claim you have the facts. Yet as I read your posts, I see nothing but your biased OPINIONS with not a fact to be found anywhere.
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 13:11
Ka…..BLAM.
The Quran:
Quran (2:191-193) – “And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing…
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)” (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to “fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you” leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were notunder attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah’s rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word “persecution” by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution – “idtihad” – and oppression – a variation of “z-l-m” – do not appear in the verse). The word used instead, “fitna”, can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned “until religion is for Allah” – ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.
Quran (2:244) – “Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things.”
Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.” Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.
Quran (3:56) – “As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help.”
Quran (3:151) – “Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority”. This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be ‘joining companions to Allah’).
Quran (4:74) – “Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward.” The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today’s suicide bombers.
Quran (4:76) – “Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…”
Quran (4:89) – “They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks.”
Quran (4:95) – “Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward ” This passage criticizes “peaceful” Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah’s eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that “Jihad” doesn’t mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man’s protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle). According to the verse, Allah will allow the disabled into Paradise, but will provide a larger reward to those who are able to kill others in his cause.
Quran (4:104) – “And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain…” Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?
Quran (5:33) – “The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement”
Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them” No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
Quran (8:15) – “O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey’s end.”
Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah” Some translations interpret “fitna” as “persecution”, but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there – just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad’s intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until “religion is only for Allah”, meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that “Allah must have no rivals.”
Quran (8:57) – “If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember.”
Quran (8:67) – “It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land…”
Quran (8:59-60) – “And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah’s Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy.”
Quran (8:65) – “O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight…”
Quran (9:5) – “So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.” According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam (prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion’s Five Pillars). This popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.
Quran (9:14) – “Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people.”Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even “healing” the hearts of Muslims.
Quran (9:20) – “Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah’s way are of much greater worth in Allah’s sight. These are they who are triumphant.” The Arabic word interpreted as “striving” in this verse is the same root as “Jihad”. The context is obviously holy war.
Quran (9:29) – “Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” “People of the Book” refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has charted them to make Islam “superior over all religions.” This chapter was one of the final “revelations” from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad’s companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.
Quran (9:30) – “And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!”
Quran (9:38-39) – “O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place.” This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.
Quran (9:41) – “Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew.” See also the verse that follows (9:42) – “If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them” This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).
Quran (9:73) – “O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.” Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It also explains why today’s devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.
Quran (9:88) – “But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper.”
Quran (9:111) – “Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.” How does the Quran define a true believer?
Quran (9:123) – “O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness.”
Quran (17:16) – “And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction.” Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is “utter destruction.” (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).
Quran (18:65-81) – This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with “special knowledge” who does things which don’t seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would “grieve” his parents by “disobedience and ingratitude.” He was killed so that Allah could provide them a ‘better’ son. (Note: This is one reason why honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.1-2).)
Quran (21:44) – “We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?”
Quran (25:52) – “Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness…” “Strive against” is Jihad – obviously not in the personal context. It’s also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.
Quran (33:60-62) – “If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter.” This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered “merciless” and “horrible murder” in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to “fight in the way of Allah” (3:167) and hence don’t act as Muslims should), those with “diseased hearts” (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and “alarmists” or “agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad’s biographers. It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today’s terrorists do. If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah’s eternal word to Muslim generations.
Quran (47:3-4) – “Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord… So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah’s Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)… If it had been Allah’s Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost.” Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad. The wounded are to be held captive for ransom. The only reason Allah doesn’t do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test.
Quran (47:35) – “Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: “have the upper hand”) for Allah is with you,”
Quran (48:17) – “There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom.” Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means ‘spiritual struggle.’ Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted? This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.
Quran (48:29) – “Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves” Islam is not about treating everyone equally. This verse tells Muslims that there are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status. Also the word used for ‘hard’ or ‘ruthless’ in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as ‘painful’ or severe’ to describe Hell in over 25 other verses including 65:10, 40:46 and 50:26..
Quran (61:4) – “Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way” Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to “battle array” meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict. This is followed by (61:9): “He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist.” (See next verse, below). Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.
Quran (61:10-12) – “O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad ), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of ‘Adn – Eternity [‘Adn (Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success.” This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see above). It uses the Arabic word, Jihad.
Quran (66:9) – “O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey’s end.” The root word of “Jihad” is used again here. The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include “hypocrites” – those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.
arc99 October 11th, 2015 at 13:15
copy/paste from this website?
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm
next, you will be providing links from Stormfront.com to give us the truth about Martin Luther King.
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 13:17
What parts of the Quran do you think were misquoted? Do you have a point or…..no…..
arc99 October 11th, 2015 at 13:19
what part of Psalms was misquoted?
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 13:23
So….your argument is that Christians are bad….and I believe that Islam is bad.
We are both right….I am neither.
arc99 October 11th, 2015 at 13:26
Never said Christians are bad. You make up something I never said and then wonder why no one puts any credence in your opinions.
My point is that only an idiot would judge an entire religion in the 21st century based on quotes from centuries ago.
Judging all Christians based on the passages of violence such as in Psalms is idiotic.
Same for those who would judge all Muslims the same way.
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 13:27
The Psalm that you reference was from the christian bible….it was suggestive of violence and depravity….not exactly compliments. Intellectual honesty is something that I value in arguments.
arc99 October 11th, 2015 at 13:28
Yes the Psalm reference was from the Christian bible and a perfect illustration of the ignorance required to judge millions of people using texts that were written centuries ago.
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 13:33
I am not judging Islam based on the Quran. The actions of Islam over the centuries has been one of violence and I believe that the reason is the sanctity that it places on death. If you kill an infidel….you go to paradise. If you die blowing yourself up on a bus killing infidels….you are a martyr and go to paradise. In christianity…the same offenses get your soul eternal damnation.
Do you see the difference? It really isn’t more distinctly different. You may not like it….frankly….I don’t really care. It is….that is all that matters.
Dwendt44 October 11th, 2015 at 16:36
Christianity has a rather bloody past they’d just wish people would forget as well.
Chris October 11th, 2015 at 19:16
You said, “I am not judging Islam based on the Quran.”
You forgot your cut-and-paste above. From where? The Quran.
Get your story straight.
arc99 October 11th, 2015 at 13:20
and yeah I do have a point.
blindly copy/pasting and not even bothering to provide attribution is not a convincing argument.
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 13:22
The book has been around and REPRINTED…and DIGITALIZED…and promoted and sold for hundreds of years. What are you afraid of?
Dwendt44 October 11th, 2015 at 16:32
Bible thumpers have nothing to brag about. A short sampling.
Those that will not follow me, bring them and slay them before me. Says jesus in parable.
Hosea 13:16 (King James) Samaria will bear her guilt because she has rebelled against her God.
They will fall by the sword; their little ones will be dashed to pieces, and their pregnant women ripped open.
EX 32:27 “Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor.
DUT 20:13-14 “When the Lord delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the males …. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves.”
DUT 28:53 “You will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you.”
JS 8:22-25 With the Lord’s approval, Joshua utterly smites the people of Ai, killing 12,000 men and women, so that there were none who escaped.
JS 10:40 (A summary statement.) “So Joshua defeated the whole land …; he left none remaining, but destroyed all that breathed, as the Lord God of Israel commanded.”
JS 11:8-15 “And the lord gave them into the hand of Israel, …utterly destroying them; there was none left that breathed ….”
JG 3:29 The Israelites kill about 10,000 Moabites.
JG 4:21 Jael takes a tent stake and hammers it through the head of Sisera, fastening it to the ground.
JG 20:43-48 The Israelites smite 25,000+ “men of valor” from amongst the Benjamites, “men and beasts and all that they found,” and set their towns on fire.
1SA 15:3, 7-8 “This is what the Lord says: Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass ….’ And Saul … utterly destroyed all the people with the edge of the sword.”
whatthe46 October 11th, 2015 at 16:45
shhhh. you’re not suppose to talk about that.
tracey marie October 11th, 2015 at 14:34
supported by troll facts, not the same thing
Dwendt44 October 11th, 2015 at 16:22
If, and it’s a big IF, your opinion was supported by facts, you would be a Liberal. The truth and facts have a liberal bias.
Chris October 11th, 2015 at 13:12
I am a Christian. Having said that, I’m ashamed that people like you who call themselves Christians continue to spout hatred towards Islam.
You paint with a broad brush, cloaking your hatred in expository prose that masks ignorance.
You impress me that you’re probably aware of one of the most shocking verses in the Bible: “Happy is the one who seizes your infants and smashes them against the rocks!” I use this to show you and others that Islam does not have a lock on brutality. You may try to explain this away in talking of the frustrations of captive Israel, and you would be right.
You are not right, however, in saying, “but Islam is different!” Islam has its violent adherents, and it has its peaceful adherents, much the same as Christianity. I tire of this incessant trashing of Islam. If you were truly to follow Christ, you would reach out to Muslims in peace.
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 13:28
I am not a Christian. Your hole argument is undone.
Chris October 11th, 2015 at 13:45
Your fellow travelers will disown you now.
Seriously, if you go after Islam, and don’t hold Christianity to the same standards when it comes to exegesis, your critique goes belly up.
BTW, you may want to spell check before posting.
Larry Schmitt October 11th, 2015 at 14:02
Spell check won’t help when ewe use the wrong word but it’s spelled correctly.
Chris October 11th, 2015 at 18:40
I understand what you’re saying. I meant for him to review his typing for spelling errors before he hit “post”. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Larry Schmitt October 11th, 2015 at 19:13
Eye no watt ewe meant.
Chris October 11th, 2015 at 19:50
Hoe Kay.
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 14:45
I will let you know when I start taking advice from people who are goofy enough to think that liberalism is a good thing. Don’t hold your breath…btw, are you a school teacher? Maybe you could help me out with my Longfellow.
Advice….your avatar is the most hysterical thing I have seen in quite a while. Thanks of the good laugh.
tracey marie October 11th, 2015 at 15:55
translation….I need a nap
tracey marie October 11th, 2015 at 14:33
“hole” is that some place that you crawled out of to troll?
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 14:46
Tracey…you of all people know what “hole” is….and where it is. Wipe off your keys troll.
tracey marie October 11th, 2015 at 14:51
translation, I am a nasty whiney troll
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 14:53
Tracey….when you make personal attacks against me by calling me names….I will retaliate. You nasty smelly lib.
tracey marie October 11th, 2015 at 14:58
translation….My troll feeling were hurt.
StoneyCurtisll October 11th, 2015 at 17:30
This tool int very sharp is it…:)
tracey marie October 11th, 2015 at 17:34
boogiefinger, a troll from thehill that is possibly banned
tracey marie October 11th, 2015 at 14:33
so do xtians, especially dominists who believe the wealth of the world belongs to them so they may rule by their xtian gods beliefs…their interpretation of those beliefs.
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 14:54
Great….then we are in agreement….Islam is the Sanctity of Death cult and you believe that you can add a few others to the list. Fine…..everyone is a winner…just that your ribbon is always red and mine is blue…sister.
tracey marie October 11th, 2015 at 14:58
translation…I troll poorly
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 15:00
Unoriginality is the sign of a limited mind…and maybe early onset liberalism. Tell me tracey….how old are you? Sorry…that is not a question to ask a lady….”do you still have your own teeth”. Much better.
tracey marie October 11th, 2015 at 15:01
translation….I am a baby troll whining for mommy
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 15:05
So long nutty.
tracey marie October 11th, 2015 at 15:06
trqnslation…I am running away
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 15:08
You will never silence the son of FourleafTayback…..I can never be stopped. I will call out liberalism for it’s insidious sleaze.
tracey marie October 11th, 2015 at 15:09
translation…I pooped my panties
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 15:10
Translation….i own u….one little piggy, two little piggy….
tracey marie October 11th, 2015 at 15:18
translation….mommy said to clean myself up
Red Mann October 11th, 2015 at 19:21
No. loser, you are just a typical troll, hopelessly ignorant and insanely arrogant. You reek of delusions of grandeur. You don’t own anyone here, they own you and have called out your pathetic ignorance. You come across as a middle schooler who has learned a fact or two and thinks he knows more than the adults.
allison1050 October 11th, 2015 at 15:13
lol and you’re right.
whatthe46 October 11th, 2015 at 15:27
you have me cracking up laughing here.
William October 11th, 2015 at 15:48
Consider this poor souls existence. Trolling a liberal website, then doing a victory dance.
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tracey marie October 11th, 2015 at 15:51
I think I hurt it’s fee fees and it ran away.
tracey marie October 11th, 2015 at 16:25
His “thehill” name is boogiefinger, I recognized him immediatly.
William October 11th, 2015 at 17:17
Retread Troll
allison1050 October 11th, 2015 at 15:03
Child, you won’t last long here. ;o)
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 15:05
I can never be stopped….I will come back…maybe next time my handle will be “boogie man”…..nothing you can do.
allison1050 October 11th, 2015 at 15:12
You’re easily spotted. ;o)
tracey marie October 11th, 2015 at 15:53
translation….the booger picker who gets brain matter everytime I stick my finger in my nose
fahvel October 12th, 2015 at 03:39
boogie man works – one of those greenish yellowish pieces of stuff extracted from a nose –
fahvel October 12th, 2015 at 03:38
small minded in thought and words and now, just a mean little spirit.
StoneyCurtisll October 11th, 2015 at 17:27
STFUAH..
Red Mann October 11th, 2015 at 19:25
You didn’t expound that, you plagiarized it from here: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm
It has also been plagiarized by various nutjobs on FB. Loser.
1digger October 27th, 2015 at 12:06
Plagiarized? That’s your excuse for ignoring the reality which is in the Koran? WOW! Liberals really exemplify they have a terminal case of mental disorder for even faced with the ‘facts’ you ignore them and demonize them rather than attempt to understand what they mean to do with infidels; that means you.
tracey marie October 27th, 2015 at 12:20
wow, smash children against the stones, kill women who have affairs, stone disobediant children…not from the koran.
Red Mann October 27th, 2015 at 15:16
I have read the Quran, I have worked with Muslims on a daily basis and I spent a couple of months in Saudi Arabia, so I know a few more facts than you do. You RWNJs screech that ALL Muslims are evil terrorists, all the time, everywhere. This is simply not true anymore than all Christians, Jews or Hindus are all like their own violent, hateful components. Of course the ability to understand nuance, varying shades of belief or behavior is lost on binary brains such as yours.
Yes, Islam is currently the religion that is most used to promote violence, death and destruction, but virtually all religions have a similar negative faction. The key to this is ignorance, religion strives to keep its adherents ignorant and unquestioning. In other countries, education and media are under the control of religion, here we have home schooling and Fox News.
granpa.usthai October 12th, 2015 at 02:51
if you want to see a real trail of blood and tears, trying doing a hike down the christian historical trail.
oh, and if you want to restrain the biblical violence (including eating their own children -doesn’t specify dead or ALIVE!) why not restrain the rest of it also? – instead of selected parts.
fahvel October 12th, 2015 at 03:37
your blather reads as if you have never read either the quran or the xian bible of the torah or anything but l’il bits of info to support horror. Pronounce “horror” with the intonation of Marlon Brando.
1digger October 27th, 2015 at 12:04
Reading too difficult for you? You must be one of those who received ‘participation rewards’ for just showing up because it was too difficult for you to read and understand the facts and choose to live in the la la land of liberalism.
It’s quite apparent that if you could read, then you would know that anyone who is NOT a Muslim is an infidel to which are either subjugated or killed. It’s your choice because you obviously ignore reality of what Sharia Law espouses which makes you and other liberals in good company of useful idiots for when Sharia expands, you’ll be an easy mark.
tracey marie October 27th, 2015 at 12:19
It must be apparent to you{hahaha} that xtians are attempting to make us a theocracy and destroy all people not exactlly like them.
tracey marie October 27th, 2015 at 12:18
upvoting your self, hahahahah. derp
tracey marie October 11th, 2015 at 14:31
So do xtians, why do you think they want the apocalypse to happen.
Tammy Minton Haley October 11th, 2015 at 15:40
it’s a death cult
Dwendt44 October 11th, 2015 at 16:15
Both are death centered religions.
Tammy Minton Haley October 11th, 2015 at 16:31
agree
bpollen October 11th, 2015 at 18:06
Know what? Most of them believe in the sanctity of life, rather than death. Just like with Christians, a few nut-bag extremists do horrible shite and try to excuse it cuz GAWD. It happens that almost all religions have a Tea Party wing – rock stupid and the absolute certainty that Gawd hates all the people they do.
If you have ever paid any attention to history, you would know that Christians were doing plenty to demonize themselves before Mohammed was a twinkle in Abdullah ibn Abdul-Muttalib’s eye. Shortly after Constantine allowed the church to operate in Constantinople (and the Roman Empire) and ostensibly converted, the killing of pagans and destruction of pagan churches/temples began.
allison1050 October 11th, 2015 at 18:11
He’s gone
StoneyCurtisll October 11th, 2015 at 18:54
And not a second too soon.
allison1050 October 11th, 2015 at 19:34
chuckles
bpollen October 11th, 2015 at 20:43
Affirms my faith in Mod, the Almighty!
allison1050 October 12th, 2015 at 05:05
chuckles
fahvel October 12th, 2015 at 03:32
my oh my, another ignorant fool speaks out about the nothing they know.
1digger October 27th, 2015 at 11:58
Spoken like an ignorant liberal. Liberals know so much that isn’t so.
veggiedude October 11th, 2015 at 12:49
The leader should tell him to stay away from Popeyes, it ain’t no vegetarian establishment.
Tammy Minton Haley October 11th, 2015 at 15:40
a point well made!
veggiedude October 11th, 2015 at 17:58
The real Popeye the sailor man was vegan.
:)
StoneyCurtisll October 11th, 2015 at 18:53
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5A-vz8ptNU
StoneyCurtisll October 11th, 2015 at 19:10
But Wimpy knew the fine taste of the Hamburger..:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9JD6W1PU-s
StoneyCurtisll October 11th, 2015 at 18:56
http://www.kansastravel.org/olathe/08gochickengo0.jpg
Chris October 11th, 2015 at 13:03
Hush your mouth, Geoffrey! Ben needs to hook the suckers before they know he’s a Seventh Day Adventist! That was supposed to come later. Now you’ve spoiled it all!
Tommie October 11th, 2015 at 14:06
Funny how Ben Carson and Trump has their respective churches calling them out! Very religious, haha!
Larry Schmitt October 11th, 2015 at 14:11
tRump really doesn’t have a church. They said he hasn’t been there in years. Just like he hasn’t opened the bible in years.
Tommie October 11th, 2015 at 14:19
I just remember when they said he went to a church in Harlem, which made me laugh!
FiveleafTayback October 11th, 2015 at 14:55
Still….you liberals will never get rid of me….we are legion.
whatthe46 October 11th, 2015 at 15:17
do you even know what you mean?
allison1050 October 11th, 2015 at 15:00
SNaP!
StoneyCurtisll October 11th, 2015 at 17:24
Carson is a Jehovah witness??
Theses people do not celebrate Christmas~!!..
Wait till Fox “news” and Bill O’Rielly gets a load of this “”Christmas hater”.
The war is on~!
whatthe46 October 11th, 2015 at 17:33
laughing.
jasperjava October 11th, 2015 at 17:54
He’s a Seventh Day Adventist. Whole other thing.
StoneyCurtisll October 11th, 2015 at 18:25
I thought they were twins…(same thing, different name)..
I will Google and learn more..Thanks for the info~!
StoneyCurtisll October 11th, 2015 at 18:36
Hey thanks for the tip…
I am learning that the 7th day ads are protestants who thought jesus was going to came back in 1844..
The JW’s are a little more complicated..
They have serious issues with mainstream “Christians” who refuse to accept them as Christian.
StoneyCurtisll October 11th, 2015 at 18:51
Thank you for the correction..
StoneyCurtisll October 11th, 2015 at 18:50
I just did a search of 7th Day Adventist…
If you think main stream Christian fundamentalist are a little wacky and extreme,,,
You need to see what Dr. Ben Carson’s 7th Day Adventist church believes/follows…
They haven’t given up on the “Jesus is coming back in 1844″…
They have doubled down..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventh-day_Adventist_Church
Red Mann October 11th, 2015 at 19:27
The juvenile troll FiveTeaLeaf, plagiarized his screed about 109 verses from here: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm
dewired4u October 12th, 2015 at 00:13
Here’s a vid of Ben’s preacher in action…https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=192&v=6k0JeEKR3Do .
granpa.usthai October 12th, 2015 at 03:01
7th day adventist believe the sabbath is on a saturday.
weird -and slightly kinky if you think about what they could be doing in the showers on sunday morning –
butt
closer to the Jewish Sabbath (if anybody knows when the Sabbath is, it’d be them – what with God being a Jew and all)
not the sunday go to church crowd – who only do so because most businesses (at least in the south) open later or not at all.
rg9rts October 12th, 2015 at 06:35
Trouble in paradise?