Ben Carson: God Told Him Answers To His Chemistry Final In A Dream
Make sure that if you are a Republican candidate for president that you mention “God” as often as possible. It works especially well at prayer breakfast.
As Carson explained it, his goal of becoming a doctor was nearly derailed in his first semester at Yale University when he was failing his chemistry class to such an extent that he would not have been able to pass even if managed to get an A on the final exam. Fortunately for him, this particular professor had a policy that anyone who was failing the class could receive double credit on the final and so Carson asked God for a miracle before committing himself to study for the exam the night before.
But instead of studying, Carson fell asleep and had a dream in which he was alone in an auditorium as some “nebulous figure” wrote out chemistry problems on the blackboard.
“When I went to take the test the next morning, it was like ‘The Twilight Zone,'” Carson said. “I opened that book and I recognized the first problem as one of the ones I dreamed about. And the next, and the next, and the next, and I aced the exam and got a good mark in chemistry. It worked out okay and I promised the Lord he would never have to do that for me again.”
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robert May 8th, 2015 at 12:49
i guess its a far cry from trying to stab a kid with a knife many years ago
keep the confessions going ben Your doing great !
Ace Duncan May 8th, 2015 at 18:57
If he was given the answers, isn’t that cheating?
I guess he can’t be trusted…
liberalMD May 9th, 2015 at 01:16
Another college cheating scandal comes to light.
And I’m miffed. God never gave me any answers on my chemistry final. I had to know the answers!
trees May 9th, 2015 at 02:16
And just how did you come to “know” the answers?? You were instructed, right? You were given examples, u ou were taught, lessons were explained and knowledge was revealed….
So, when you were tested, and when you answered the test questions using the knowledge that you had gained…..
Were you cheating?
Carson describes prayer and iinsight. That’s it, he doesn’t admit to “cheating”, although his detractors certainly choose to call it that.
This whole posting is nothing but an attempt to ridicule the spiritual beliefs of Dr Carson. If Obama had described a similar situation I daresay any of you would mock and ridicule him.
Is Obama a fool for believing in God?
OldLefty May 9th, 2015 at 06:24
This whole posting is nothing but an attempt to ridicule the spiritual beliefs of Dr Carson.
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No it’s not. It is ridiculing Dr Carson for intimating that God favors him over others that GOD to whom did NOT give “special” help.
trees May 9th, 2015 at 08:35
That is ridiculing his belief, you see Dr Carson believes, and he described an experience. He related an experience that he believes was real.
What is the overwhelming response by the left wing posters on this site?
Ridicule.
Because Carson actually believes that God is both real, and involved in his life.
Dwendt44 May 9th, 2015 at 12:26
Ridicule is a reasonable response to a ridiculous statement. Imaginary beings don’t give answers to test questions or solve problems. the answers were in Carson’s head the whole time and he just had to find them.
trees May 9th, 2015 at 14:33
I appreciate your honesty. In your defense I believe that you sincerely feel this to be true, that in your opinion, God does not exist. I at one time believed as you do. A cynicism envelopes those who deny God, and I understand your view. However, it is ridicule. I’m glad we can agree on that.
Burqa is a bit of a puzzle. He claims to believe in God, will argue on God’s behalf, but then will join in with others who mock and ridicule another’s religious beliefs…..
Why?
For political reasons.
I didn’t know that God was a Hillary supporter…..
Who knew?
OldLefty May 9th, 2015 at 12:58
No more than he is ridiculing everyone who is not as favored as him.
Other people believe in God and that God is involved with their lives.
They may believe that God “gave” them the strength to study as hard as was necessary, but they don’t claim that their God “told them the answers in a dream”
His chemistry book told him the answers as well.
He comes off as arrogant and narcissistic.
trees May 9th, 2015 at 14:34
Fair enough. I think we can agree that no cheating actually occured, yes?
OldLefty May 9th, 2015 at 14:39
I don’t think there was cheating.
If he had said that God made the answers appear on his hand, that would be a different story ;-]
trees May 9th, 2015 at 14:53
Agreed
burqa May 9th, 2015 at 23:50
The answers weren’t on his hand – he saw a video beforehand.
He was given the answers before the test. The other students weren’t.
That’s cheating.
OldLefty May 10th, 2015 at 07:19
Really?
Is there evidence?
burqa May 10th, 2015 at 02:42
They just weren’t good enough, that’s all….
Seriously, Carson made up a story trying to pander and didn’t figure on it springing a leak worse than the one in the Titanic
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 02:39
Please shut up.
William May 9th, 2015 at 13:16
Wow. Ben is pretty well connected eh?
trees May 9th, 2015 at 14:51
I wonder William, when you are perched on death’s doorstep…..
When you are thinking your final thoughts and preparing to cross over into the eternal realm….
Will you call out to God?
Or will you go quietly, firm in your belief that there is nothing, and no one beyond this material place?
Will it be as if you never existed to begin with?
Maybe, if we’re lucky, it will happen so quickly that it will literally be like flipping a switch…..
Never even knowing what exactly happened….
Is that the way to properly view it?
Death.
We are all fated to die. “For it is appointed once for a man to die, and then the judgment”
How will it happen?
????
Something to think about.
William May 9th, 2015 at 15:00
In the first place I am a practicing Catholic.
I don’t mock religion.
What I DO mock is the “divine right” crowd.
Those are the A-holes who are held firm in the belief that somehow the almighty has chosen THEM to be a president. or….
That whatever they say, think, and do it’s good, just and holy because God is on their side. The ultimate blasphemy I suppose would be the assumption that the almighty is completely engrossed in the politics of a nation that represents less than a speck in the galaxy, and a history less than a nanosecond in the timeline of the universe.
I suppose the ultimate in blasphemous A-holes would be the small people who hijack Christianity, staple it to their politics and go strutting about judging other people and their worthiness in the eyes of the Lord.
You know…?
Like you.
Kara Connor May 9th, 2015 at 15:10
Think about this. Your god demands worship, claims he gives you free will to follow him or not, but threatens you with infinite punishment if you don’t. And no, I won’t be crying out to some deity when I die, assuming I’m able. Those last moments will be used to think of friends and loved ones, I hope, then like you, I will cease to exists as a conscious entity.
trees May 9th, 2015 at 16:28
He does not demand worship, for if He did none of us could love Him.
You do not have to worship, and I would never attempt to compel you to.
Could you love your spouse, if your love was demanded of you?
My hope isn’t to cease to exist.
“Faith is the substance of things hoped for”
I won’t cry out in fear, or despair.
And I know you won’t understand this, but I’ll be comforted, I’ll pass without trepidation. My concern will be for those who are left here, in mourning. I have a sizeable life insurance policy, and have money saved, I do this for my wife. My fear will be for her to be alone and without me. I know this world is fallen, sinful and dangerous, but I trust in the Lord my God, in Him I am strengthened.
Kara Connor May 9th, 2015 at 18:43
My spouse didn’t present me with the choice of loving her or being punished for eternity. She gives and receives truly unconditional love.
trees May 9th, 2015 at 19:04
You don’t love “unconditionally”.
You may think you do, but the fact is this, everything you do, and I mean everything, is a conditioned response.
Your relationship with your spouse is based upon behavioral acceptance.
If you were to behave in ways that were unacceptable to your spouse, you would find yourself estranged.
An example?
Lying.
Betrayal will get you rejected, and the love you thought was unconditional will be revealed as being completely conditional, and based upon trust, violate the trust and suffer the consequences.
Don’t believe me?
Start acting in ways that your spouse finds “unacceptable”, and let me know how “unconditional” your loving relationship is…….
Kara Connor May 9th, 2015 at 20:14
Strictly speaking you are correct. However, what I was attempting to convey is that there is no threat, actual or implied, connected with our love. In the event of us no longer wanting to be together, I would also speculate that we would wish each other well, and not threaten punishment. Do you not concede that it is hardly a choice if coercion and threats are involved? Nor does eternal punishment seem fitting for finite transgressions.
trees May 9th, 2015 at 22:29
I don’t see any coercion, in fact, what I see is that God has created a place where atheism is an alternative belief. There is no great glowing god of anger bellowing demands of worship.
The Gospel is an invitation.
Christ has offered eternal life to all who would believe.
Christ offers forgiveness, and Christ has paid the penalty of sin, in full.
I’m not seeing coercion.
What He does say is that to those who deny Him, He will likewise deny on the day of reckoning.
I think we’d call that “fair”, we can discuss fairness.
Basically, what God is asking of us is, to repent and show remorse. Who among us is perfect? I know I’m not.
But if God is, and I grant you, that’s if, if God is……
Than a Holy God who loves His creation, would provide for it.
God has provided.
Genesis 22 is an interesting read.
God provides, God redeems, God forgives, God accepts, God loves…
That’s what the Christian is saying, and yes, not all who claim Christianity are in fact Christian.
Kara Connor May 9th, 2015 at 23:01
Well you use the euphemism “deny”, but what does that mean, in your belief, will happen to atheists after they die?
trees May 9th, 2015 at 23:15
They would be denied the resurrection and the life, they would not be joint heirs with Christ, they would not live eternally. They would not exist in a material dimension, they would cease to be, they would suffer annihilation……
You see, separation from God is not a one size fits all situation.
In the case of the atheist whose major transgression was refusing to believe in an eternal God, and a rejection of this Supreme Being, then utter cessation of being could be considered as a fair consequence for choosing this, could it not?
If time and space, if reality itself, if all these things flow from an omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent being, then denial of this God could be a justifiable basis for denying the denier, yes?
Kara Connor May 10th, 2015 at 02:11
No. Your god made up the rules, and sacrificed himself to himself. Quite irrational.
trees May 10th, 2015 at 14:49
True. You do understand the attributes of God? Omnipotence requires this dilemma you’ve presented…..
And did for you, what you were unable to do for yourself.
Irrational?
No.
Compassionate.
Kara Connor May 10th, 2015 at 15:12
There we must agree to differ. Have a wonderful Mothers Day, btw.
trees May 10th, 2015 at 15:47
Fair enough, I enjoyed your company and thank you, you have a great Mothers Day also.
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 02:37
If you are resurrected, I hope you come back as a goddamned flea.
William May 10th, 2015 at 01:10
Atheists are on a different plane.
Kara Connor May 10th, 2015 at 02:09
And we don’t fly it into buildings in the name of atheism.
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 02:36
Technically, isn’t it taught that those that don’t believe in God or Heaven, don’t believe in Hell? And those that don’t believe in it, don’t go there. Obviously, atheists won’t be damned. I wonder what his response will be, though lol.
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 02:34
‘The Gospel is an invitation.’ Then why do you feel the need to push it on everyone?
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 02:34
Do you honestly think that women were created from a bone? Please provide evidence.
burqa May 9th, 2015 at 23:47
I guess you’ve never carefully read the end of Romans chapter 4.
Christians do not face judgement and punishment because they were already judged and the sentence of innocent of all charges was pronounced when Christ was raised. The legal result of this judgement is our present tense righteousness.
So there are no threats or punishment.
This is why the good news is supposed to be preached – that we were beaten when he was beaten, we were crucified when he was crucified, we died when he died, we rose when he rose, we ascended when he ascended and we were made to sit when he sat down. We were declared justified, we were sanctified, we were declared to stand before God righteous and holy without blame in love. We were given eternal life, the sonship spirit, power from on high and were placed in the heavenlies far above all powers and mights and dominions and every name that is named. We are guaranteed to return. We are not to love with the love we have as humans, but were given God’s love to love others with. We have not only been given greater love than we had before, but we were also given the ability to continually increase our capacity as we go along.
The original message of the Christian doctrine was all yea and amen – it was all good news and where things have gotten sidetracked is people come along and insist on introducing something negative. A lot of times it is just their unbelief – they just can’t imagine God is this generous and it’s this good a deal, so they have to chop away at it to bring it down to a human dimension. With others, it’s an ego thing an they need to lord something over others, they need to tell others what to do and point out their flaws, but this is just a form of idolatry. They don’t build people up they tear them down. It can be kind of funny to see how hard they’ll work to deny the positive, edifying, loving message and spread their unbelief.
Love God and love others bigger and better daily as Christ loved.
Do that and fret not, for you were accepted in the beloved before the foundation of the world and when you were dead in trespasses and sins.
Think on these things.
Kara Connor May 10th, 2015 at 02:10
It is based on threat of eternal damnation. Dress it up how you like. You can’t square that circle.
burqa May 10th, 2015 at 02:30
Chapter and verse please, from the Christian doctrine that says that about “eternal damnation.”
Never mind.
I’ll save you the trouble.
It’s not in the doctrine given to Christians. You were lied to.
You were also cheated when you were not taught how to work these things out for yourself and instead were maneuvered to where you ended up relying on the word of someone else.
First research principal: Get the ‘to whom’ correct. Learn to separate that given for your learning from that given for your doctrine. Otherwise you’ll end up like an American who thinks he still has to pay the tea tax to Great Britain.
According to the Christian doctrine, our past tense judgement is an accomplished reality. He was raised when we were judged. We were judged when he was raised. Court is no longer in session, sorry.
Accept the love you’ve been given and react appropriately with gratitude and by loving others as you have been loved. Everything else will and has to fall under that and when that is the context from which you proceed, everything else will work out just fine.
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 02:33
Lol, why do you feel you’re so entitled to tell her she’s wrong and that you’re far more intelligent? You think your interpretation of that book is correct, while her interpretation isn’t?
burqa May 10th, 2015 at 05:04
ObrooSir: “Lol, why do you feel you’re so entitled to tell her she’s wrong and that you’re far more intelligent?”
As a human being I am entitled to have a differing view from anyone I want. I try to stay flexible in my opinions, less so as I learn more and more and when I’ve done a considerable amount of studying, which I have.
I made no claim of being more intelligent.
That’s just you writing fiction.
.
ObrooSir: “You think your interpretation of that book is correct, while her interpretation isn’t?”
If you told me the Titanic was floating in the Reflecting Pool on the Mall in D.C. and I said it was not there, it would not be an interpretation but a statement of fact. If you think the phrase “eternal damnation” is found in the section of the Bible that contains the Christian doctrine, gimme the chapter and verse.
It’s not hard to figure out. Usually you can find the addressee at the beginning. Like James is addressed to whom? “… to the twelve tribes that are scattered abroad.”
That’s the Jews.
It is written that some is written for our learning and some is written for our doctrine. James is a doctrinal book for Jews but we can learn from it.
Everything in the Bible is addressed to either the Jews, gentiles or Christians.
See how easy that is to learn?
Much controversy can be solved by applying that simple principle of getting the ‘to whom’ correct.
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 05:16
Burqa, you seem to be incredibly ignorant in the fact that you needn’t directly say that you were more entitled, it was implied in the tone. In a public forum, especially, it’s undeniably easy to misconstrue what is written. Whether it was your intention or not, it was how it was gathered.
‘As a human being I am entitled to have a differing view…’ Yes, you are absolutely correct, but you are not allowed to tell her she was wrong, especially when discussing biblical scriptures. I don’t have to tell you that biblical books have been revised and reinterpreted several times in the past years, so why assume that what you’ve read is correct, and what she’s read is not?
I didn’t realize you were so literal and you needed the exact phrase to be mentioned. I can give you plenty scriptures where it is discussed, if you accept synonymous phrases and terms. If we were discussing pipes, would you accept ‘ducts’ or would you insist that we use ‘pipes’ and disregard any mention of ‘ducts’ and pretend it doesn’t refer to pipes?
burqa May 10th, 2015 at 06:17
I am as entitled, implied or stated overtly, to disagree with her as much as you are entitled to disagree with me.
To imagine you have some right to disagree that I do not have is a curious notion I’d enjoy reading you expound further upon.
ObrooDSir: “she was wrong, especially when discussing biblical scriptures. I don’t have to tell you that biblical books have been revised and reinterpreted several times in the past years, so why assume that what you’ve read is correct, and what she’s read is not?”
I don’t assume anything. I already told you I have worked the material. By that I mean I spent a number of years working with critical Greek and Aramaic texts as well all the manuscripts I could get my hands upon. I also studied the different schools and the ways manuscripts were copied, for there we find many of the mistakes that crop up. For example, some mistakes are common to those who sat in a room where someone read the master text being copied. Different kinds of mistakes would be made by people sitting with a manuscript and copying it that way. You know anything about pinhole theory in critical Greek texts?
Once one has studied such a variety of texts and manuscripts, it is quite impressive to see how much agreement there is between manuscripts made hundreds of years and hundreds of miles apart.
ObrooSir: “I didn’t realize you were so literal and you needed the exact phrase to be mentioned.”
Yes. Words and their arrangement, are important. Had you studied the field of structure, you would understand this, same with figures of speech and word usage. It is all done with precision.
For example, a figure of speech is a legitimate departure from literal, grammatical usage in order to shift or direct emphasis, and give a more vivid message than ordinary usage is capable of. How many figures do you know? Simile, metaphor, irony, how ya doin’ on hypokatastasis? There are about 215 different figures in the Bible, all used with precision, with as many as 40 variations on a single figure such as metonymy.
ObrooSir: “I can give you plenty scriptures where it is discussed, if you accept synonymous phrases and terms. If we were discussing pipes, would you accept ‘ducts’ or would you insist that we use ‘pipes’ and disregard any mention of ‘ducts’ and pretend it doesn’t refer to pipes?”
I am a carpenter and have worked on a few thousand houses. How about when I build yours, I run your water through your air conditioning ducts and your air conditioning through your water pipes? After all, they’re synonyms, what difference would it make?
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 06:45
You must be lacking reading comprehension skills. I already told you, you are entirely entitled to your own perspective and awarded the right to disagree with any sentiment. You seem to be confusing disagreeing with blatantly decrying her position or argument. You cannot do that unless you have a substantial argument or can support it with factual evidence.
I’ve studied religion extensively and philosophy, as well, and what I’ve gathered from your assertions was that you do not understand what you’re talking about. How many manuscripts and interpretations have you studied, Burqa? Because of the constant change in language, it is far too easy to misinterpret the meaning of any biblical scripture. You profess that you understand it quite well, yet your words say otherwise. Most of it is drivel and does nothing to reinforce your position.
‘Yes. Words and their arrangement, are important. Had you studied the
field of structure, you would understand this, same with figures of
speech and word usage. It is all done with precision.’ Again, you cannot have a literal discussion about biblical scriptures because of it is highly interpretable and has been revised far too often over the course of history. Honestly, that was an incredibly ignorant thing for you to say.
I can tell you’re heavily trying to prove that you’re adequately educated in these subjects, enough to hold an argument with another person. I’m assuming it’s a means to persuade others that you’ve more credibility, but you’re entirely wrong about so many aspects. For your information, when building houses pipes and ducts are only names for different items to help differentiate between the two. A duct is still a pipe, its purpose only differs. I’m not sure you understand exactly what you’re arguing.
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 06:58
You seem to be telling Burqa how much smarter and better you are, you tell him he is wrong and has no right to his opinion…because you have studied and read more. Do you see your own hypocrisy, do you see your own arrogance, do you see how wrong you are?
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 07:07
Do you have quotes from me, Tracey, or is that mere speculation? I find it strange that you gather a tone of belittlement from my own responses, yet you disregard his many assertions that he’s far more knowledgeable in the subjects than I.
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 07:37
that was a deflection, you did exactly what you chided someone else doing, that is hypocritical
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 07:40
No, I didn’t. I’m not sure you understand what the definition of hypocritical is or when it applies. I wasn’t wrong, so I did not contradict myself. You keep trying, but you need to do some research.
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 07:45
must be so nice to be perfect and always correct.
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 07:51
You sound like you’re pouting and that’s fine. I never gave any indication that I was perfect or that I was always correct. As I’ve studied Philosophy and Religion, and even taught a few classes, I know that I am correct and he is not. And being an avid debater, one never denounces another’s perspective or position without substantial evidence; it was an infantile tactic, and entirely laughable. As you clearly have no counterargument to offer and instead, you opt for your own childish tactics, I can only assume it’s an attestation that you have no other argument. Thanks for your time.
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 08:01
I read your history, you make good points at times but your nature of feeling superior makes me cringe in embarrassment for you.
burqa May 10th, 2015 at 08:06
In this case, he has put up 6 or 8 posts or so claiming to have this Biblical quote that is so debatable or something but he refuses to say what it is, much less describe which critical texts it is found in or not, much less tell which authorities question or confirm it and he doesn’t see the bear trap he’s about to step into.
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 08:07
I will now ignore her.
burqa May 10th, 2015 at 08:15
I just want to get the job building his or her house. I’ll be running the water through the air conditioning ducts and the heating and air conditioning through the water pipes because ObrooSir says they’re the same thing and it doesn’t matter……………………
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 08:51
Oh, a twist of words, now? You do lack reading comprehension skills.
burqa May 10th, 2015 at 08:53
Ok, correction: you didn’t say they were the same thing. You said they were synonymous and interchangeable, prof.
So, water through the ductwork, heat and AC through the pipes!
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 09:10
Another attestation to your lack of reading comprehension skills, not to mention a deflection from the subject at hand.
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 08:08
My nature of feeling superior? Do you understand that you’re arguing with me over your own perspective? I don’t care how you see me or what you think about my argumentative styles.
burqa May 10th, 2015 at 08:01
ObrooSir: ” I never gave any indication that I was perfect or that I was always correct. As I’ve studied Philosophy and Religion, and even taught a few classes, I know that I am correct and he is not.”
You said it was ok for you to correct someone because you know you are right but it’s not ok for someone else to do the same thing.
You are no avid debater.
You are incapable of point-counterpoint debate and have no clue how badly you are being slaughtered right now. Any debate team coach would have his or her head in his or her hands at all the mistakes you are making.
If you think you are correct about something in the Biblical text, then why do you make repeated allusions to it, further talk about interpretations, translations and all, but refuse to post what you’re talking about?
Make sure to tell us what texts you checked to see if it is in there and which authorities question it!
C’mon, kid, put up or shut up.
Give us the occurrence of the expression “eternal damnation” referring to Christians in the part of the Bible containing the Christian doctrine.
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 08:21
‘You said it was ok for you to correct someone because you know you are
right but it’s not ok for someone else to do the same thing.’ I never said you weren’t allowed to correct someone when you’re correct. You’re just not allowed to correct someone with such a flawed argument and denounce someone’s interpretation, when you, yourself, are incorrect in doing so. I can’t teach those that are unwilling to learn. You can’t even see where you made the mistake. I would’ve stayed out of your argument if you had been correct, but you weren’t.
‘You are no avid debater. You are incapable of point-counterpoint debate and have no clue how badly you are being slaughtered right now. Any debate team coach would have his or her head in his or her hands at all the mistakes you are making.’ Lol, I was the debate team coach. Thanks, though. It’s kind of embarrassing when you assume that you’re ‘slaughtering’ me with your flawed arguments and ill-equipped argumentative tactics.
‘If you think you are correct about something in the Biblical text, then why do you make repeated allusions to it, further talk about interpretations, translations and all, but refuse to post what you’re talking about?’ Lol, you still don’t understand. Once again, because the Bible is highly interpretable, you cannot wholly denounce Kara’s position or her argument, especially when passages in the Bible, although not direct, are synonymous with eternal damnation and similar phrases. I refuse to post what I’m talking about? Burqa, you know full well that I told you, if you needed it, I can provide you with those very passages, and you never requested them. Would you like them now?
‘C’mon, kid, put up or shut up.’ I’m not a kid, but thank you for that condescension. It made me laugh, as it’s an attestation to your infantile tactics.
Revelation 20:10 mentions it, for starters. Would you like other examples?
burqa May 10th, 2015 at 08:31
Everyone thinks they are correct when they disagree with someone else.
Sorry, Revelation is not a doctrinal book of the Christian church.
Strike one.
Go ahead, try again.
I presume your textual and manuscript evidence will be forthcoming. After all, kid, this was the standard you were going to hold me to.
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 08:40
The ones that truly know that they are correct, are those that have the evidence and knowledge to support their position.
Yes, Revelation is a doctrinal book of the Christian church.
I’m going to assume your inclination and affinity for patronization is because you have no argument you can support with substantial evidence. I’m also going to assume that you think it’s bothering me, but it’s more an attestation of your fallacious argument. But that’s entirely okay with me, so keep it coming. You’re only reinforcing your flawed position.
burqa May 10th, 2015 at 08:51
Um, no. For one thing, I gave you the most fundamental research principal and your failing Biblical Research 101 by not getting the ‘to whom’ correct.
* Revelations starts with the period of wrath the church is saved out away from.
* second, wrong dispensation.
* third, it is written all the revelation for this dispensation was given to the apostle Paul. None was given to John, sorry.
* fourth, Revelations wasn’t written until after the church had been under way with it’s doctrine in place, fallen and a couple hundred years or more had gone by before Revelations was written.
Plus, you haven’t yet followed your own standard and showed what is in the manuscript and critical Greek and Aramaic texts. For all I know you’re making stuff up. prof.
Do your students hand in textual analysis with no footnoted references?
When I was in college we had to do that.
Same in high school and elementary school.
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 09:15
LOL! Please do some research. Really. It’ll help you out. You’re clearly a troll and you cannot even fathom where you went wrong.
One more time, you asserted that eternal damnation was not mentioned in any Christian doctrine, but it is. Although, you’ll probably cast it aside, as it’s not a literal reference. Followed my own standard? Show me where? And give me direct quotes.
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 09:17
Where are you confused? Why do you think that eternal damnation, or any variation of, is not mentioned in any Christian doctrine?
burqa May 10th, 2015 at 07:47
The juicy part to me is he was saying what he was doing was wrong, which is why he was doing it even though it was wrong, Now he’s put 3 layers of icing on the cake by repeatedly trying to explain that what he says is wrong is right even though he says it is wrong.
Meanwhile, all the points I made remain untouched and apparently conceded.
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 07:50
He is a bit of a narcissist as well, one of those perfect people we hear about .
burqa May 10th, 2015 at 07:24
Well, according to our new friend, telling someone else they are wrong is a wrong thing to do, which is why he is doing the very thing he thinks is wrong.
Brilliant conversationalist, eh, cap’n?
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 07:35
I just found the hypocrisy funny.
burqa May 10th, 2015 at 07:37
Here’s my fave line of his so far:
ObrooSir: “Tracey, I don’t like when people feel they are entitled to tell another that they’re wrong,”
That one’s definitely a keeper………………
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 07:42
Exactlly, then he goes on to lecture me and tell me why I am wrong as well.
burqa May 10th, 2015 at 08:25
Here’s the quote and the link:
“Tracey, I don’t like when people feel they are
entitled to tell another that they’re wrong,”
https://disqus.com/home/discussion/liberaland/ben_carson_god_told_him_answers_to_his_chemistry_final_in_a_dream/#comment-2016558971
That posted on a message board no less. And juice added to the juice is our new friend did her best to bust up a conversation and start an argument where she does nothing but tell others they are wrong (while keeping the scriptural reference at the heart of her original point and the manuscript, textual and critical documentation all unposted)
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 08:29
I read her history, i am done. She makes some good points but her narcissim turns me off.
burqa May 10th, 2015 at 08:42
I think you have the right idea. I’ll check back tomorrow, maybe and clean up the rest of her errors.
My preference is to converse. Let’s hope Ms. Connor returns soon. She seems nice and intelligent and has conversational skills, all of which I value.
And ObrooSir, sorry I referred to you as a guy. It was more of a habit, plus seeing “Sir” in your screen name. I didn’t look closely at your avatar. I should have and apologize.
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 08:47
Ah, another attestation that you’ve no idea what hypocrisy is. Nor does Tracey.
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 08:49
Again, I’m a woman. And what, pray tell, have I thrown that’s been batted down? I’m assuming you mean that all my arguments have been refuted. Where’s the evidence to support that claim?
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 06:56
they do not have a problem with each other, they agreed to disagree respectfully. Yet you feel you need to chide someone and pick a fight with them.
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 07:00
Tracey, I don’t like when people feel they are entitled to tell another that they’re wrong, especially when it concerns a highly interpretable biblical scripture. I don’t care if they agreed to disagree, completely denouncing one’s argument without providing factual, substantial evidence is no way to have a discussion. Would you care to show me how my interjection was wrong?
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 07:03
They worked it out together, you interferred to tell someone “that they are wrong” do you not see the hypocrisy?
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 07:12
The hypocrisy? That’s entirely laughable. Because of the many interpretations of the Bible and its scriptures, there is no true passage. His assertion that Kara was entirely incorrect, was wrong. Yes, I am allowed to tell him that he is wrong. Would you say that a student, believing 2+2=5, was telling others they were wrong for stating it was, in fact, 4. Would you call the teacher a hypocrite when he/she chastised the student for telling others that they were wrong, and in doing so, he was wrong himself? It’s not hypocrisy unless what I was stating was wrong.
burqa May 10th, 2015 at 07:21
I swear, I’m trying to take it easy on this guy. You are too, but he’s insistent.
Now he;’s telling me I’m wrong for doing what he does, which is not exactly much of an endorsement for what he does, when he himself says it is wrong.
There you have it, his ace in the hole.
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 08:46
I’m a woman, and I’m insistent because I’m correct. You should have just realized your mistake when I pointed it out and taken it in stride. Instead, your stubbornness has only reinforced your position as an ignorant individual, arguing about a subject with which they know near nothing.
Also, your adamant argument that I’ve somehow contradicted myself or shown hypocrisy just proves that you do not understand what either of those words mean.
allison1050 May 10th, 2015 at 08:57
Please don’t argue I haven’t had my coffee yet. Thanks Obroo.
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 09:09
You’re replying to my response to Burqa, not your own. If you’re having trouble reading text because you’re not fully awake, I suggest you avert your eyes.
mea_mark May 10th, 2015 at 09:44
You are coming across as a condescending, antagonistic person. If you want to continue posting comments here, please tone it down.
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 09:54
That’s laughable. I’m assuming if you can glean that I’ve condescended anyone, you can gather as much from burqa’s posts, as well. Am I wrong? If I patronized anyone, it was as a means of defense. If I’ve offended you, I’m sorry, but please move along. You don’t have to read my comments. Antagonistic? That’s rich.
mea_mark May 10th, 2015 at 09:56
This is not a debate. It is a warning. Ignore it if you want.
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 09:59
You can’t accuse me of being condescending or antagonistic and not provide evidence to your claim. I’m assuming you’ve warned Burqa, as well?
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 10:01
You’re ignoring that Burqa has also been patronizing and arguing with me. Not once have I cussed at or insulted him. Did you bother reading his responses? Telling someone they are wrong and showing them how, is in no way patronizing, nor is calling someone ignorant, as it only means they lack the knowledge about the subject at hand.
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 10:21
I do believe that one is not aware of what Mod means.
mea_mark May 10th, 2015 at 10:24
Apparently not. The way things are going, she is will know soon.
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 10:25
She has some great ideas and points, just seems to be a bit off.
burqa May 16th, 2015 at 23:45
It refers to his clothing style. Mea_Mark likes to wear those striped, bell-bottomed hip-huggers…..
tracey marie May 17th, 2015 at 14:45
smart asss;0
Anomaly 100 May 11th, 2015 at 07:56
Lololol. This comment ^ was flagged. OMG….
allison1050 May 11th, 2015 at 08:02
She’s argue with a dead horse if she could. ;o)
Anomaly 100 May 11th, 2015 at 08:03
After beating that dead horse.
allison1050 May 11th, 2015 at 08:08
Indeed.
Anomaly 100 May 11th, 2015 at 09:16
Why does she hate on horses?
allison1050 May 11th, 2015 at 10:55
She hates everything it seemed.
Anomaly 100 May 11th, 2015 at 11:13
Solidarity for horses.
We are all horses now.
burqa May 16th, 2015 at 23:43
I think once there was nothing left of the horse she would beat the memory of a dead horse….
allison1050 May 10th, 2015 at 08:32
Maybe Obroo needs another cup of coffee.
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 08:33
Morning Allison.
allison1050 May 10th, 2015 at 08:35
I was trying to say good morning to you and had a little shaking going on but it’s under control now. This was an interesting discussion between burqa and Kara Connor, I enjoyed following them. How’s it going?
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 08:39
I followed as well. Both made good points and both were civil. I am good, sorry to hear the shakes are still bothering you. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRdamn FBC
allison1050 May 10th, 2015 at 08:56
Not as bad so I’m hoping it’ll stop in a few months, I’ve got everything crossed. ;)
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 10:18
My fingers and toes crossed for you
allison1050 May 10th, 2015 at 10:53
Thank you so much and cyber hugs!
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 10:55
back at you Allison!
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 08:47
Why? Why not insist or propose that both Tracey and Burqa need to do some research instead?
burqa May 10th, 2015 at 07:04
Good thing you don’t feel entitled to tell other people when they’re wrong, eh?
You’re one of those lead-from-the-front, -follow-me – kinda guys, right?
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 07:12
It would only be contradictory or hypocritical if I was wrong, myself, but I wasn’t. Nice try, though.
burqa May 10th, 2015 at 07:27
Pretty cool we have us a Ph.D. in particle physics, and a lesbian to boot. She seems really nice to me. MastermindObewon is gonna go nuts! nuts! nuts!
Kara Connor May 10th, 2015 at 02:50
With respect, relying on Christian doctrine is taking someone else’s word. I have a Ph.D. In Particle Physic. That taught me a lot about having very good data to back up any claim. Higgs wasn’t declared discovered on three sigma signal, high though that probability is. It took confirmation from two experiments at five sigma confidence before people acknowledged it. Reproducibility and testable, falsifiable theories backed by strong physical and sound mathematics remove the need ro rely on anyone’s word. That’s why no scientific explanation of a phenomenon has ever been superseded by a religious or supernatural one.
burqa May 10th, 2015 at 03:07
Oh Ms. Connor, physics is cool and I hope we can talk about it sometime. I’m sure there is all kinds of interesting things I don’t know that you do. I’m serious, I’m not being sarcastic. Long ago someone taught me that learning is an exciting adventure and I’ve tried to remain curious.
Yes, you are right, faith relies on believing the word of someone else initially. As for me, I’ve had too many prayers answered and had too many other experiences to where I have all the proof I need. But that’s for me and not you. My experiences will not convince you and I will try to not bore you with them.
I think a better course is for us to find common ground and build upon that. I much prefer interesting conversation to arguing.
Kara Connor May 10th, 2015 at 03:21
I totally agree, and thank you for your thoughtful response.
burqa May 10th, 2015 at 04:50
The whole string theory and related subjects fascinate me, but I’ll tell you one area I like and that is the physics of a pitched baseball, how the eye is fooled and things related to that.
Heh heh heh, once I won a bet from a guy on a construction jobsite on a physics question. He thought that since gravity is constant an object falling from a really tall height would increase it’s speed all the way to the ground. It was kind of funny, I worked him pretty good till he was shouting and demanding I accept a bet of a whole week’s paycheck, shoving his hand in front of me to shake and all. I tweaked him good when I told him that if you dropped a marble and a bowling ball with the finger holes filled in fro the top of the Empire State Building, that by the time they hit the ground they’d be falling at the same speed.
So we shook on it and he flounced out to his truck where he had a physics textbook behind the seat and started thumbing through it.
The rest of the guys leaned toward what the other guy was saying but I just sat there, a gleam in my eye till his face began to drop as he read the pertinent section. I thought he would soiul his pants right then.
This is about as far as I can go and you’re clearly many years ahead of me. Maybe sometime in the Open Thread we can chat and you can tell me some stuff.
Oh, and I didn’t take the guy’s paycheck. I told him to forget it….
burqa May 10th, 2015 at 03:15
Is there anything in science or mathmatics that you have an emotional attachment to that can motivate you to be more forgiving?
How about to love your enemies? Or be more selfless, be kinder, more forgiving, and does science and math give you stories you can identify with to illustrate those concepts? How about a social support structure to go with it?
Y’see, even if there is no God, there still remains a value that is tangible. For example, where I live, 78% of the food pantries are run by people motivated to do so by their faith. They hand out scores of tons of food every month. I know two women who give away over 80,000 pounds of food by themselves.
So take away faith and what it does and my community suddenly has a massive hole to fill, and one that can’t wait long for a solution.
Kara Connor May 10th, 2015 at 03:19
Those things are motivated by empathy, which we have evolved like other great apes. Pretending they are of supernatural origin lessens appreciation of the amazing natural world, in my view.
burqa May 10th, 2015 at 05:44
I see your point and agree with you to a large degree.
So if we have 2 people identical in every way, both born with the same measure of empathy, sensitivity and concern for others. Both are pretty nice people. They give the same to charity, they both do the same amount of volunteer work and they both stop just as often to help people with flat tires, stuff like that. They have the qualities mentioned above in the same degree and act upon them to the same degree.
But then one of them joins an outfit that has a large group meeting once a week. At the meetings they tell stories, cite poignant quotes and sing songs that cover those topics. Not only that, but the group physically does all kinds of activities together to where there is some bonding taking place. They go on picnics, play sports, have communal dinners and also collect goods for the food pantry in the basement. They have a group of volunteers with trucks to transport donated food, store it and redistribute it. They have a warehouse and a smooth-running operation that has been in place for decades. It’s a cool thing to pitch in. There’s not only the encouragement to do so from the leader o the group but there is also peer pressure and social status from pitching in more.
I think the one of our subjects who joined this group would be more likely to develop further the qualities mentioned, that both had in equal degree at the beginning.
This is what I have witnessed in my community. We have lots of atheists and agnostics and many pitch in, but usually even in the secular outfits helping those in need, they are led by people motivated by their faith.
Not only are 78% of the food pantries run by faith-based organizations, but so are both of the homeless shelters. Guess where the homeless go to be fed? As I said in another discussion, so much of this stuff goes on under the radar that when one gets involved a whole different world opens up. There are coat drives, shoes drives, school supply drives, Christmas present drives, all kinds of things going on that get little or no attention.
This is taking place where the rubber meets the road – where the greatest need is being met by NGOs.
Take away the organizations, the peer pressure, the social structure and traditions established over a couple hundred years and the amount of giving would drop greatly.
So here we have a tangible, measurable effect of how these organizations help people to be better citizens. If there’s no God, they’d still get the same jobs done.
Among those doing so much where I live to help those in need are a smaller number of standouts who tend to make things happen. These all-stars devote their whole lives to these programs. They all seem to be motivated by their faith. I’m always embarrassed in their presence because of the magnitude of what they do and how the love and selflessness just gushes from them.
This is what I have seen for decades here in the Fredericksburg, Va. area.
James May 10th, 2015 at 06:58
Ph.D ? Impressive.
Kara Connor May 10th, 2015 at 12:06
Back in the second half of the 80s. It was a fun time. Ended up moving into the software industry because the pay as a researcher was pretty poor in the UK.
trees May 10th, 2015 at 14:00
Is imprisonment reasonable? We have a place in our civil system where we place those individuals who will not obey and respect the laws of men. Commit murder and we, as a society, will incarcerate you. Is this reasonable?
Jake May 9th, 2015 at 18:59
Think less about your self-aggrandizement before this god of yours, and more about the people you share this planet with. Only then will you be free of the evil chains of conservative thought and the doorway to liberalism will open in your heart.
James May 10th, 2015 at 06:55
Faith is what you have when you know it ain’t true……..Mark Twain….
It is a glimpse into the weird, absurd, self serving, egocentric mind when reading your fantastical posts…
tracey marie May 10th, 2015 at 07:01
“fallen, sinful and dangerous” You come on here spouting racism, bigotry and out right lies, yet you claim to be a christian, I do believe you have no idea what being christian means.
Kevin777 May 10th, 2015 at 07:17
Your full of what makes the grass grow green, you cannot judge what or whom is sinful because man is born of sin.
James May 10th, 2015 at 08:24
Such a ridiculous and errant concept in the first place.
Kevin777 May 10th, 2015 at 18:34
You judge the world as sinful around when you yourself are a sinner, it’s not up to you to pass judgment on who or what is sinful, that’s irrelevant because only God passes the final judgment on sin.
James May 10th, 2015 at 20:47
I don’t judge the world in any kind of manner. There is good and there is bad. What I have observed however is how religious belief will pass itself off as good when it is nothing of the sort. The way certain aspects of Islam conducts itself presuming to do the “will of God” by murdering people professing to be a religion of peace. Same for Christianity professing to be a religion of love yet conducting itself as a movement of hate. All under the guise of an unprovable God. Your last sentence is an assumption based upon a legend based upon a myth…
allison1050 May 10th, 2015 at 08:24
Oh, you’re back?
Jake May 9th, 2015 at 17:28
You my friend, need to talk to someone about your delusions. I sincerely hope you are not allowed near children.
ObrooSir May 10th, 2015 at 02:31
Dude, seriously? That’s so incredibly stupid.
James May 10th, 2015 at 06:52
I wonder how actually know what happens after death. Am curious as to how you have special insight. Where is your Nobel Prize winning thesis?
burqa May 10th, 2015 at 02:35
No cheat sheets for the brown kids!
Why bother, none of them want to be president!
Jake May 9th, 2015 at 17:29
So Carson actually cheated on that exam then?
Kevin777 May 10th, 2015 at 07:11
That wasn’t God Dr Carson you saw in your vision of sleep, it was some good LSD.
Evolution is a fact May 10th, 2015 at 12:39
Psycho.
Dennis Richardson May 29th, 2015 at 12:18
The mind of a spiritual person resides in the same brain as the logical scientific intellectual person. Is it so much of a stretch in logic for you that those two different portions of his brain would communicate with each other? They are in the same mind. If so, you are not rational. People sometimes relax during a test when they are not doing well and suddenly it comes to them what they heard, read and they remember. I have achieved the majority of the correct answers and passed a test within the last quarter of the test time allotted because I concentrated better on the questions being asked. Oh, he cheated because he drew upon an information source that I did not have. Look in to the life of Michael Faraday, his spiritual life influenced his scientific successes. He cheated, he asked his God to help him understand nature. Pee brained quarter wits, it is always been that way. Christianity legitimately gets credit for most scientific discoveries. You just do not know the history of it.
arc99 May 29th, 2015 at 12:41
I know history quite well.
The experiences of Copernicus for one, whose work was banned by the Church for nearly three centuries would indicate that no Christianity does not get credit for most scientific discoveries, and in fact had a heavy hand in hindering the advancement of scientific knowledge.