Event Calculated To Provoke Muslim Anger Triggers Gun Violence
It did not go well.
Two men were shot dead and a security guard was injured:
Two men who opened fire outside a contest for Prophet Mohammad cartoons in a Dallas suburb were shot dead by police Sunday night, authorities said.
The men drove up to the Culwell Event Center in North Garland, got out of their car and began shooting just as the “Muhammad Art Exhibit and Cartoon Contest” inside was coming to an end, Garland police spokesman Joe Harns said.
A security guard was shot in the leg. He was later treated and released from a hospital.
Police who were helping with security at the event fired back, killing both gunmen, Harns said.
Their identities weren’t immediately released.
FBI and local officials were checking on the gunmen’s vehicle for explosives, a law enforcement official told CNN. The area around the center was blocked off.
Surrounding businesses, including a Walmart, were evacuated, as were attendees from the Curtis Culwell Center.
CNN producer Chris Lett, who was covering the event, said there were about 40 people at the event when police announced there had been a shooting.
Prominent America imam Zia Sheikh tweeted:
Shots fired at Pamela Geller event. The community stayed away from event. Seems like a lone wolf type of attack. Just what we didn’t want.
— Imam Zia Sheikh (@ImamZia) May 4, 2015
The Doc is pretty much in agreement with Jennifer Serna:
@ImamZia @CalvertFOX4 tell Pamela going forward to hosts these events at her home. Afterall they are private events, right?
— Jennifer Serna (@Talesofmy3) May 4, 2015
Heck, I’ll even spring for her Kevlar dress. ‘Nuff said
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By: dave-dr-gonzo
David Hirsch, a.k.a. Dave "Doctor" Gonzo*, is a renegade record producer, video producer, writer, reformed corporate shill, and still-registered lobbyist for non-one-percenter performing artists and musicians. He lives in a heavily fortified compound in one of Manhattan's less trendy neighborhoods.
* Hirsch is the third person to use the pseudonym, a not-so-veiled tribute to journalist and author Hunter S. Thompson, with the permission of his predecessors Gene Gaudette of American Politics Journal (currently webmaster and chief bottlewasher at Liberaland) and Stephen Meese at Smashmouth Politics.
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StoneyCurtisll May 4th, 2015 at 17:33
Pamela Geller claiming she is “defending Americas freedom” is a fugging phony as Uri Geller bending spoons with his mind.
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS3rHb86m6rQ18T2n1OEXJ2QrNXuTPnqlHBoG4gUz4cz9CrBbW1GA
Except Uri is just a con artist..
Pamela is a hate group leader.
StoneyCurtisll May 4th, 2015 at 22:32
Bending spoons with his mind…
Bending minds with her hate..
https://nathanclean.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/o-pamela-geller-dc-facebook.jpg
Esau Carin May 4th, 2015 at 17:42
Please review the First Amendment of the US Constitution. What a bunch of haters.
OldLefty May 4th, 2015 at 18:54
What does this have to do with the First Amendment??
EstebanCafe May 4th, 2015 at 20:08
Nice gun. Just add brains.
dave-dr-gonzo May 4th, 2015 at 22:18
Compensates for… a little something, if you catch my drift.
EstebanCafe May 4th, 2015 at 22:57
I think you may be right…but you need to direct your comment to Esau.
OldLefty May 4th, 2015 at 18:33
[Hmmm, I can see that we’re pretty much at the end of our discussion. Sir, I don’t know whether to go with the “Old” or “Liberal” part of your handle as a way of understanding and explaining your slippery logic.]
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I already told you that I am a woman, and I maintain that YOU are the one engaging in slippery logic, working backwards to reach the desired conclusion.
[I said I always read a leftists’ quoted articles because they usually support my argument, not theirs–as is the case with your article.]
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That’s what EVERYBODY says.
You didn’t make your case, you don’t even seem to have one.
Actually, most of what those on the accuse their opponents of is true of them.
But I’m glad that you are a legend in your own mind.
EstebanCafe May 4th, 2015 at 19:31
Madam, my humblest apology at mistaking your sex; I sincerely hope that is not a regular occurrence for you.
I shall endeavor once more to make clear my point: the article you sourced supports my point of view, not yours (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/10/drawing-prophet-islam-muhammad-images). The irony is that you brought it to me and I used it to undercut and deny the claim of your argument. Your claim: “Historically, there was not a problem depicting Mohammed” when in fact, this was only a corner case stretched–by you–to cover all of Islam. I rebutted said argument with the very first line of your article (ibid).
Now, let’s talk about something more interesting: you ! and why you think the way you do. Perhaps you can help me understand what is thus far highly illogical to me, misses a grasp of human nature and seems…well, a deceitful and ineffective way of thinking. In sum, most (ok ALL) liberals I’ve met with, from Uni Profs to folks like yourself, think they’re helping people when in fact they’re holding them down or back.
Look at your Blacks in the news in Baltimore (for example). They’re still living on the Democratic Plantation, chained as always, but now their minds are also chained. Continually voting Democrat but nothing ever changes…it just gets worse and worse for them. Your big Blue cities are all on their backs financially, even though Trillions $ have been spent on the War on Poverty, with a highly negative return as to the quality of life for those on whom it was spent. Help me to understand this.
OldLefty May 4th, 2015 at 19:51
[The irony is that you brought it to me and I used it to undercut and deny the claim of your argument.]
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I did not bring anything to you you, it was an “Oh, by the way”, comment to cecilia.
[Your claim: “Historically, there was not a problem depicting Mohammed” when in fact, this was only a corner case stretched–by you–to cover all of Islam.]
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There was no claim that it covered “All Islam”, only that there had been art work depicting Mohammed over the last thousand years.
[Now, let’s talk about something more interesting: you ! and why you think the way you do. ]
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Do you think that there is ANYTHING that you say here that is not said of you??
between your straw man arguments and your question begging, perhaps you need an informal logic class.
[Look at your Blacks in the news in Baltimore (for example). They’re still living on the Democratic Plantation]
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Basically, YOU are repeating Republican talking points.
Nothing has done more harm to black people and the black family as the War on Drugs and the private for profit prison system.
The war on poverty came on the heels of Jim Crow, and did tremendous good; Poverty among blacks was 55 percent in 1959 and 41 percent in 1966. By 2009, the rate had fallen to 25.9 percent. For black single moms without a father present, the poverty rate fell from 70.6 percent in 1959 and 65.3 in 1966 to 39.8 percent in 2009.
It barely got started when cuts were made and we got the war on drugs with;
Blacks are more likely to be
sentenced to prison for the same crime than Whites. One third of people of
color sentenced to prison would have received a shorter or non-incarcerative
sentence if they had been treated in court the same way as White defendants
facing similar charges
Although
Black Americans make up only 12.7% of the U.S. population, they make up 48.2%
of adults in federal, state, or local prisons and jails. According to the 1998
federal National Household Survey on Drug Abuse (NHSDA), 72% of users were
White and 15% were Blacks.
Latinos
represent just 11.1% of the U.S. population and only 10% of U.S. drug users,
yet are 18.6% of the U.S. prison population and 22.5% of those convicted for
drug offenses.
On
average, 1 in 25 adult American Indians is under the jurisdiction of the
nation’s criminal justice system – more than twice the number of White adults
in the system.
42.5%
of prisoners on Death Row are Black, more than three times the percentage of
Black Americans in the national population.
In
2003, in the United States, White people were imprisoned at a rate of 376 per
every 100,000 in the population, compared to 709 per 100,000 American Indians,
997 per 100,000 Latinos and 2,526 per 100,000 Blacks in the population.
Black
males have a 32% chance of serving time in prison at some point in their lives;
Hispanic males have a 17% chance; White males have a 6% chance. If
current rates of incarceration continue, about 1 in 3 Black males, 1 in 6
Hispanic males and 1 in 17 White males are expected to go to prison at some
point during their lives.
Black youth are more likely to be detained than White
youth. Moreover, Black youth with no prior admissions were six times more
likely to be incarcerated in a juvenile facility than a White youth with a
similar history. Latino youth were three times more likely to be imprisoned.
Among persons over age 24, Blacks (11.2%) were
significantly more likely to be pulled over while driving than Whites (8.9%).
Among drivers stopped for speeding, Blacks (75.7%)
and Hispanics (79.4%) were more likely than Whites (66.6%) to be ticketed
Police were more likely to conduct a search of the
vehicle and/or driver in traffic stops involving Black male drivers (15.9%) or
Hispanic male drivers (14.2%), compared to White male drivers (7.9%).
http://sites.duke.edu/nchumanrights/incarceration-and-criminal-justice/
And what’s you excuse for whites on the Republican plantation Like deep red Owsley County, Ky, the poorest county in the USone Owsley County, where
unemployment already is 150 percent of the national average?
But then, Why let facts get in the way?
Wee Mousie May 4th, 2015 at 19:06
Geller and the American Freedom Defense Initiative got exactly what they were after, a wounded cops and two supposed Islamic fanatics to tout, as they try to attract more haters and create more egregious assaults, either upon their followers by fanatic Islamic, or upon Islamic, of any stripe, by their followers.
EstebanCafe May 4th, 2015 at 19:53
It’s curious that no one decried the National Guard who stood ready to defend little Ruby Bridges who attended all White William Frantz Elementary School. Luckily, no one listened to those who, like you, whine about “egregious assaults and possibly wounded and killed. And there were some of those throughout the Civil Rights era. There was an equal or greater furor surrounding this, but the right thing was done. Thankfully. Standing up for the rights of others and yourself may require great sacrifice. Your American Left simply does not have the cajones for such struggles. But ankle biters have always hidden behind the very freedoms and sniped at those providing them. To wit: Michael Moore.
If your stronger Americans had given up on Ruby, what would be the state of your Blacks today (Yikes, it’s pretty bad in all your Blue Cities)? If Geller and others simply laid low, what would Muslims do ? Nothing ? Of course not: aggressors know a patsy when they encounter one. They’d immediately demand more. A better grasp of human nature is required on your American Left.
Wee Mousie May 4th, 2015 at 20:11
I don’t mind grifters. Both wings have them, although the right seems especially rich soil for their growth. What I object to is a grifter whose method of gaining power and money is hrough pitting opposing fanatics against each other for fame and profit. She set up a few haters (40, I heard) in Texas to be clay pigeons for any local fanatic Islamic to take a shot at. As it happened, only two Islamic fanatics (from out of state) were killed and a cop was wounded, but Geller still gets her face time on television and, no doubt, the rubes will pour money in to support her “cause.”
EstebanCafe May 4th, 2015 at 22:07
We agree. Both sides seek to avoid competition in the market. Instead, they pursue regulation to maintain their incumbency and market positions. I’ve noticed that Wall Street has moved from the Right to the Left in your country. In a rent seeking effort, they have supported The One and he’s rewarded them handsomely. Small guys ? Not so much.
And I understand your patience with Grifters…your country seems poised to elect the Queen of Grifting and Graft.
Wee Mousie May 4th, 2015 at 23:25
I do believe the Queen of Grifters originally hailed from Alaska, and nearly all her runners up and ladies in waiting have an “R” on their escutcheon. The distaff, also, as I have pointed out, have grown especially pernicious in the rich red soil, both the ones bearing an “R” and the ones bearing a Bar Sinister “K.”
It is true that a “D” occasionally will stumble into error, even gross error, but seldom so egregiously, and even less seldom will they survive their fall. The right seems over-populated with the ethically walking wounded.
Regarding Wall Street, who is more to blame, the leader who allowed them to lead the country and the whole world into a depression, or the leader who worked with and through them to try to redeem as much of what was lost as possible?
EstebanCafe May 5th, 2015 at 01:28
I’m unsure of what your rant contains, other than overreach on a weak vocabulary. And I disagree with each contention. From Mr. Clinton’s first post presidential speech ($50K), including his loving wife’s rants for major coinage, to each of 1100 foreign donations in a quid pro quo transaction, there is no king or queen Grifter greater than those two.
As to Mr. Bush’s foibles, let it be said that a Democrat Congress can put one into the hole faster than a man can shovel himself.
Mr. Obama has not brought relief–every quarter’s results have been restated and are lower than the original projection. So let’s compare if a Republican was performing as is Mr. Obama….
If you had a Republican president right now, you would be treated to a merciless media pounding, night-and-day, on the series of strategic failures, mistakes and false starts that have characterized America’s war strategy in Afghanistan since 2009. We’d be getting constant reminders of how the President, who repeatedly said that this was a just war that America had to win, and who told you that you should vote for him because he wouldn’t let anything distract him from the vital task of winning said war, hasn’t managed to win it, or even end it, after six long years.
Fortunately there is a Democrat in your White House who, by and large, the press likes and wants to succeed. Thus your newspapers and television screens are blessedly free from invective, derision
and snark when it comes to news from Afghanistan.
President Obama has been permitted to fail in Afghanistan quietly and off center stage. You hear nothing anymore about the months of agonized reflection before choosing strategies that didn’t accomplish their goals. You never see mentions of his 2008 campaign rhetoric about Afghanistan—”the necessary war”—against which we might be asked to measure what
has actually been achieved.
Wee Mousie May 6th, 2015 at 14:49
My sanity compels me to cease arguing with you.
“… a Democrat Congress can put one into the hole faster than a man can shovel himself … if your had a Republican president right now, you would be treated to a merciless media pounding … your newspapers and television screens are blessedly free from invective, derision and snark… ”
Obviously, in your universe, 2008 immediately followed 2000, and Bush, the Lesser, (so far) was no more than a nightmare brought on by a overindulgence in sane government.
Carry on. It is interesting, if unenlightened, to hear reports from a parallel universe where black is white, up is down and inside is outside. Living there, however, must give one a fearful headache, and cause extreme nausea. My sympathies.
EstebanCafe May 6th, 2015 at 14:57
No one defends Bush’s excesses…but recognizing them, as you clearly do, you say nothing of an Obama INCREASE of the very same excesses, from massive borrowing to equally massive increases in drone executions and everything else he bitched about prior to ascending to his throne. He was going to ‘obey the law of the land’ then unilaterally violated it. You Americans whine about the former piss-ant but cut the latter a hall pass–your press included–why is that ? Imagine what we’d be hearing in the global press were a Republican in office doing the same things. That’s what’s upside down.
craig7120 May 4th, 2015 at 19:32
Two people drove from Phoenix to Dallas to kill people, because their religion compelled them to commit murder if infidels don’t conform to one of their rules inside their supernatural belief system?
If these drawers went to Mecca and tagged their holy site, I would say, why would you poke a stick in a hornets nest?
Nope, I will not be intimidated by any religion.
If they’re insulted, to bad
What’s next, fundi xtians telling people they can’t marry who they want because it insults their god? or where they can eat because of their sexual preference? or pastors saying gay people should be killed?
WTF is up with people that make them act so freaking crazy?
Religion
EstebanCafe May 4th, 2015 at 19:44
Nice how you tied the insanity of Islam to Christians. Do you see any Christians carrying out these acts ?
craig7120 May 4th, 2015 at 19:58
Thank you
What acts? The pastors edicts or laws trying to be passed to legislate beliefs?
EstebanCafe May 4th, 2015 at 20:07
You mean someone in your country goes through the legislative process to try to make desired changes in a peaceful and legal manner ?
Imagine that !
And you disagree with them and vote opposite of their desires ?
Imagine that !
Some people in your country are pushing gay rights; others vote against it. Some people in your country want to outlaw abortion; others vote opposite. See how that works ?
That process is known as “Democracy.”
And you would equate your Democratic process with Islam’s full throated beheading campaign ? This is the depth of Leftist argument in the USA today ?
Please come back with something more substantive.
craig7120 May 4th, 2015 at 20:26
Skipped right over the pastors call for killing gays, I see. That is hard to defend, so let’s not talk about that, right?
So if people vote and a law is passed that says if you draw a picture you don’t like, or if others have a sexual preference that is different than yours we can kill you in the name of religion you’re good?
EstebanCafe May 4th, 2015 at 20:34
So let’s talk about pastors calling for the killing of gays–you would equate this talk with Islam actually carrying out many, MANY gay hangings and decapitations ? Do you see talk vs. actual death as equivalent ? Please explain.
You have a constitution that precludes certain ‘majority rules!’ decisions by your people, as interpreted by your courts. The democracy piece is kept in check by this balance of powers. Moreover, your Due Process protects gays from being killed “…in the name of religion.” Always has and always will. And only an insane president would ignore these protections and run roughshod over the legislative and court processes, setting new and scary precedents.
Hold.
You have just such a president: “The Insipid One” is how he’s referred to here.
frambley1 May 4th, 2015 at 21:37
There are people from the LGBT community in the US who are hurt by Christian hatred all the time. From being picked on, beaten, and yes, even killed because of who they are and what so called christians think of them. I would submit that the majority of time that an LGBT person is hurt in the US it is due to some person who’s hatred is inspired by so-called christian beliefs. Although Mr. Christ and Mr. Muhammed would probably both be against that type of action.
EstebanCafe May 4th, 2015 at 21:55
Citations of Christians killing Gays, please ? Provide citations for their “being picked on, [or] beaten.”
It has been my experience that the received wisdom of the American Left overstates & exaggerates. I typically trust, but verify.
whatthe46 May 4th, 2015 at 21:59
GOOGLE IS YOUR FRIEND. just type in “gays murdered by christians”
cecilia May 4th, 2015 at 22:04
here’s an easy list:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States
whatthe46 May 4th, 2015 at 22:06
did you see how small the side bar is? but, estebancafe won’t believe it.
EstebanCafe May 4th, 2015 at 22:56
Please expound. “Sidebar” doesn’t mean anything to me.
EstebanCafe May 4th, 2015 at 22:22
I see ONE single reference to a Christian killing a Gay couple–while tragic, it’s hardly the mountain of evidence I expected from your posting. Again: exaggeration and overstatement–consistent on your American Left. And you would equate this to the many thousands of Gays killed in the name of Islam.
I also noted an error for the Matthew Shepard citation–who was killed by Gay drug partners–which has yet to be corrected. “October 7, 1998 – Matthew Shepard, a gay student, in Laramie, Wyoming was tortured, beaten severely, tied to a fence, and abandoned; he was found 18 hours after the attack and succumbed to his injuries less than a week later, on October 12. His attackers, Russell Arthur Henderson and Aaron James McKinney, are both serving two consecutive life sentences in prison.” No mention of their Gay status.
EstebanCafe May 4th, 2015 at 22:23
I see ONE single reference to a Christian killing a Gay couple–while tragic, it’s hardly the mountain of evidence I expected from your posting. Again: exaggeration and overstatement–consistent on your American Left. And you would equate this to the many thousands of Gays killed in the name of Islam.
whatthe46 May 4th, 2015 at 22:26
liar!
EstebanCafe May 4th, 2015 at 22:42
Your blinding use of logic underscoring your penetrating, insightful and disarming rebuttal aside, I am and remain correct.
Here’s the citation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States
Simply “Cntl F” search it for the word “Christian”…it comes up one time only and one time only. Another sacred cow turned into steak ?
whatthe46 May 4th, 2015 at 23:14
you are hopeless.
EstebanCafe May 5th, 2015 at 01:08
Read the link you sent me. Search for “Christian” and only one incident pops up.
whatthe46 May 4th, 2015 at 22:14
kansas pastor wants the government to kill all gays; arizona pastor, aids free x-mas if all gays are killed; shoot the gays measure to go on ballot in california; new york church homos should get hiv, cancer and stds; OK school board member says he’ll wear purple if “queers” kill themselves. google more for yourself. i’m not your researcher.
EstebanCafe May 4th, 2015 at 22:24
This is egregious, but they’re just words. Did they actually KILL any Gays with all their sordid verbiage ? No ? That’s the point of the discussion: Islam doesn’t mince words and does what it says. Thousands of dead people. A lot of them Gay.
Dude, I’m not your accuracy verifier: you make a statement you back it up if asked to. That’s how it works. Otherwise I’m chasing down your latest wet dream.
whatthe46 May 4th, 2015 at 22:42
you are in such denial. they have been murdered, beaten, disrespected, discriminated against, etc., etc., all in the guise of their “christianity” you can choose to believe it or not. quite frankly i don’t give a damn. you saw it, its been done, its being done and you could care less. its our America. its our sick pathetic “christian” extremist.
EstebanCafe May 4th, 2015 at 22:55
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States
Here is your citation. Search it and count the number of Christians involved in each case. ONE single case.
I think your received wisdom in this matter has been exaggerated and thus your belief is incorrect.
whatthe46 May 4th, 2015 at 23:22
you can always google their names to find out who they were and what they were about.
EstebanCafe May 5th, 2015 at 01:06
Sir, I’m not your personal verifier of facts. If you want to believe they’re Christians due to your prejudice, go prove it. Otherwise, until I see data indicating it, I stand by my statement that you have overstated Christian-on-Gay abuse: there is only a single killing–nothing like the Islamist butchering going on.
Actually, I see more Gay on Christian (financial) abuse in your current news cycle.
dave-dr-gonzo May 4th, 2015 at 22:18
You must be proud of these people, EstebanCrappé http://www.alternet.org/story/150899/how_american_evangelism_triggered_the_murder_of_gays_overseas
EstebanCafe May 4th, 2015 at 22:54
I do not represent anyone but myself and therefore be neither proud nor ashamed of their actions. I can be sad that they’re killing their fellow citizens, just as I’m sad for the widespread Islamic butcher of Gays world wide…but you guys do not seem to want to touch that topic. Why is that ? Do you feel compelled to defend Islam because your American Right is arrayed against their predations ? If so, why would you let yourself be painted into a corner of support for such a mob ?
I do not understand your point.
Red Mann May 4th, 2015 at 23:11
xx
whatthe46 May 4th, 2015 at 21:51
so there were no gay people wanting equality before President Obama? there were no gay bashing by the “christians” before this President? gays are hated by so called “christians” and have been murdered by them in the name of their fake religion.
EstebanCafe May 4th, 2015 at 21:55
Citations of Christians killing Gays ‘in the name of their fake religion”, please ? And you would equate the many thousands of Gays killed by Islam with supposed Christian killings ? Seriously ?
It has been my experience that the received wisdom of the American Left overstates & exaggerates. So I typically trust, but verify.
We shall see what you produce.
craig7120 May 5th, 2015 at 00:27
Explain what?
That you’re ok with pastors calling for gays to be killed as long as no one acts on it? I get it, you don’t like gays. It’s ok, not one person who defends the gop denounced the pastors call for the killing of gay people so don’t feel like the Lone Ranger.
Sad indeed when ideology trumps just being a good person.
EstebanCafe May 5th, 2015 at 00:58
Sir, no one is “ok with pastors calling for gays to be killed”…and as such, no one decries their outrageous statements–outlanders all. And plenty of people on your American Right have condemned said statements.
And on that note can we stipulate that actually killing gay people–or anyone–is much worse than calling for them to be killed ? Moreover, Imputing that I don’t like gays is your statement, not mine, though I suspect there is more personal ownership and animus for it than you let on.
As for ideology trumping ‘being a good person’ that is exactly what we have with this echo chamber site: you Leftist appear to feel that you must defend the Islamic atrocities because your American Right is attacking them. Thus this article.
craig7120 May 5th, 2015 at 03:43
Ah, only when prodded is there a condemnation. Lemme guess you felt that murdering black men was horrible compared to setting fires but you were unable to convey that sentiment in this “echo chamber”, that you’ve already commented numerous times. I know, you guys are so misunderstood, all we have is your quotes and comments to go by.
I barely tolerate wasting my time typing replies, but as a lefty I feel compelled to show you the proper path.
You’re welcome
EstebanCafe May 5th, 2015 at 19:26
Your insouciantly delivered arrogance aside, it is I who must hold his nose in these conversations. Your projection of words and beliefs on to me must help you live with your warped reasoning.
It is you American Leftists who have chained Black men to ghettos–they’re all “Blue” cities run for decades by Leftists. Trillions spent and wasted. And it is you Democrats who hung them: KKK all the way, right ? “Go Dixie !” was your phrase.
But you can change, if you try. I did.
craig7120 May 6th, 2015 at 13:07
You should of stayed a compassionate person, changing into a person that defends the gop is not a change for the better.
But you’re young and impressionable, now run along you little scamp.
Good luck in life.
Kids say the darnedest things.
StoneyCurtisll May 4th, 2015 at 21:39
http://www.theholocaustexplained.org/public/cms/70/92/204/268/yN7eKq_web.jpg..
EstebanCafe May 4th, 2015 at 22:02
And this is what you come back with ? Non Sequitur much ? The very place you would send Christians ? I’m curious.
StoneyCurtisll May 4th, 2015 at 22:09
Narcissism is a mental disorder..
You provide an excellent example.
Thanks for the learning experience.
whatthe46 May 4th, 2015 at 22:16
scroll further down, he asked me a question i gave him an answer. then i had to play teacher and direct him on how to do simple research since he didn’t believe me.
EstebanCafe May 4th, 2015 at 22:48
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_violence_against_LGBT_people_in_the_United_States
A single Christian killing of a Gay couple. And if you read it all, both killers actually left their so-called Christian church and joined the Nazi club. So the claim of yours that they’re Christian is not fully accurate.
Simple research ? When one makes a claim it’s best to provide documentation–do you read anything besides comic books? That is what those foot notes at the bottom of the page are. “Played the teacher” ? Is that you Obi Wan ?
And do you still equate this to the massive killing of gays that has taken place in the Islamic world ? You’ve yet to address that.
EstebanCafe May 4th, 2015 at 22:45
A picture of a Nazi death camp is your response ? My question is “obfuscation” ?
LOL, your Narcissist example is “The Insipid One”. Me ? I like to debate, but it does become wearisome if the opponent spaces out and cannot link logic to reason.
StoneyCurtisll May 5th, 2015 at 18:46
I knew you would respond, (you couldn’t help but do it)..
And I also knew the response would be filled with denial, a self elevating statement and an attempt to disparage what I so vividly pointed out…
Classic Narcissistic Personality Disorder..
EstebanCafe May 5th, 2015 at 19:19
LOL, and looks who’s responding, delicious irony flows from this echo chamber. But you DO have a difficult time staying on topic, don’t you ? You go for Ad Hom’s when you feel insecure–and then project your own disability upon others. Sounds like you’re quoting your Shrink’s diagnosis of your own disorder–which you clearly recognize.
Try. To. Stay. On. Task. No wonder you avatar is a “Squirrel !” Time for your Ritalin ?
Still waiting for the relevance of the Nazi death camp pic…this is my 3rd request: please try to answer the question.
StoneyCurtisll May 5th, 2015 at 18:52
Try to pay attention…
Your response to my post, was you obfuscating..
EstebanCafe May 5th, 2015 at 19:21
Focus up buddy: what is the relevance of the Nazi death camp pic in the context of our discussion. Simple question you cannot seem to address…sigh.
StoneyCurtisll May 5th, 2015 at 19:25
Yawn…..
EstebanCafe May 5th, 2015 at 19:29
I suppose you can now add narcolepsy to your list of mental maladies.
Still no explanation of the Nazi death camp pic ? LOL, wake up…
StoneyCurtisll May 5th, 2015 at 20:04
What explanation do you need, other than the Auschwitz Gate??
Here is your question..
“Nice how you tied the insanity of Islam to Christians. Do you see any Christians carrying out these acts” ?
Here is your answer..
http://www.ww2incolor.com/d/105153-4/arbeit_macht_frei
EstebanCafe May 5th, 2015 at 20:54
Socialists built those death camp gates, preempting and overriding whatever Christian principles they may have believed in. Socialism is a mental illness. I forgive them as I forgive you. You’re just simply ill.
OldLefty May 5th, 2015 at 21:06
Actually, people who killed socialists built the camps.
And…
~ “I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so”
— Adolf Hitler
~ “The folkish-minded man, in particular, has the sacred duty, each in his own denomination, of making people stop just talking superficially of God’s will, and actually fulfill God’s will, and not let God’s word be desecrated. For God’s will gave men their form, their essence and their abilities. Anyone who
destroys His work is declaring war on the Lord’s creation, the divine will.”
Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf,
~ “Imbued with the desire to secure for the German people the great religious, moral, and cultural values rooted in the two Christian Confessions, we have abolished the political organizations but strengthened the religious institutions.”
Adolf Hitler, in a speech at Reichstag, Berlin, January 30, 1934.
~ I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.”
[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 46]
~ “This human world of ours would be inconceivable without the practical existence of a religious belief.”
[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.152]
~ “What we have to fight for…is the freedom and independence of the fatherland, so that our people may be enabled to fulfill
the mission assigned to it by the Creator.”
[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 125]
~ “It may be that today gold has become the exclusive ruler of life, but the time will come when man will again bow down before a higher god.”
[Adolph Hitler, “Mein Kampf” Vol. 2 Chapter 2]
~ “The greatness of Christianity did not lie in attempted negotiations for compromise with any similar philosophical opinions in the ancient world, but in its inexorable fanaticism
in preaching and fighting for its own doctrine.”
Were the Nazis “Christian terrorists”?
~ “I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty
Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lords work.”
Adolf Hitler, in a speech delivered at Reichstag, Berlin, 1936.
~ “And the founder of Christianity made no secret indeed of his
estimation of the Jewish people.
When He found it necessary, He drove those enemies of the
human race out of the Temple of God.”
[Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp.174]
~ “….the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.”
[Adolph Hitler, “Mein Kampf”, Vol. 1, Chapter 11,
Does that mean that the Holocaust was Christian terrorism?
EstebanCafe May 5th, 2015 at 21:18
What part of “National SOCIALIST Party” escapes you ? The fact that Soviet Socialists killed their own should be proof that killing Socialists doesn’t bother Socialists any more than killing Muslims bothers Muslims. Trotsky could not be reached for comment.
And note how thoroughly Socialism displaced any and all Christian values in the Germans and their followers ? Socialism does that. Just look to your many justifications for it. See how Socialism works ? You’re living it.
OldLefty May 5th, 2015 at 21:41
Anyone can call themselves anything. What part of “The anti-capitalist ideologies of the SA leaders (and echoed by the restless masses) worried the big industry leaders who had helped put Hitler in power.
Hitler had promised them he would put down the trade union movement and Marxists, which he had done, but now his own storm troopers were sounding more and more like Marxists themselves.”, don’t YOU understand?
Socialism displaced any and all Christian values in the Germans and their followers ???
I think the prosperity gospel and Laissez Faire did a much better job of that right here.
That is why Gandhi said, ‘I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.’
Why would I think that you would know how socialism is or what it is?
Would you know Groucho from Karl Marx?
Actually, YOU guys talk more about “re-education…that’s why you had to rewrite the history books.
You are the ones with;
“To those who pit Americans against immigrants, and citizens against non-citizens; to those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists, for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to America’s enemies, and pause to America’s friends. They encourage people of good will to remain silent in the face of evil. “
John Ashcroft
The presidential press secretary, Ari Fleischer, condemned Bill Maher’s irreverent comic response to 9/11 by reminding “all Americans that they need to watch what they say, watch what they do.”
Couple Arrested in West Virginia for wearing anti Bush T shirts at Bush Rally Settles Lawsuit for $80,000
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2007/08/secret-white-ho/
A good guideline with you is that usually whatever you accuse your opponent of is really true of you.
EstebanCafe May 5th, 2015 at 22:04
Yes, don’t ever let a crisis go to waste.
Rewritten history ? LOL– and who occupies your USA colleges ? Socialists, one and all. What, pray tell, is the % of Conservatives teaching in your Uni systems ? That’s right: 14%. The rest claim a “Liberal” or “Socialist” tag–a veritable echo chamber of Socialist reeducation. And for all that vaunted “diversity” in your school systems, there is precious little diversity of thought–all instructors walk lock step in their rabid religious socialist beliefs, headed for a cliff. Socialism has failed every time it’s forced on a nation or culture. Half life ? ~70 years. 100 Million dead and counting. Just the facts, ma’m.
OldLefty May 6th, 2015 at 07:07
Rewritten history ? LOL– and who occupies your USA colleges ? Socialists, one and all
_______
You should attend a university before you call people socialists, (most are adjuncts who make minimum wage…. that’s capitalism for ya), but I doubt you know what socialism is.
Funny how all the info on “liberal” proffs come from conservatives who came out of the most elite universities.
Meanwhile, that has absolutely nothing to do with your rewriting the history books, where Thomas Jefferson is out (right wingers HATE him), and the “the conservative resurgence of the 1980s and 1990s, including Phyllis Schlafly, the Contract With America, the Heritage Foundation, the Moral Majority and the NRA are all in.
I noticed how you always respond to uncomfortable facts with tired old pre-approved Republican talking points.
Frankly, YOU sound like YOU have been re-educated by Newt’s 1996 GOPAC memo, Language; A Key Mechanism of Control, right down to obediently using many of the same Pavlovian words and phrases he prescribed.
That’s why David Frum said, “Republicans have been Fleeced, Exploited And Lied To by a Conservative Entertainment Complex”, to the point that there is now a market to change EVERYTHING that conservatives are uncomfortable with to a version that they like better.
And THAT is why the old Straussian, William Kristol said that the conservative movement has degenerated into a racket.
And by the way, ALL societies are a combination of socialism and capitalism.
The right prefers the Chinese model while the left prefers the Scandinavian model.
You prefer the system where we socialize the risks and losses and privatize the profits.
As for counting the dead?
Add all the deaths from the right wing…
Agusto Pinochet, Anastasio Somoza Sr and Jr., Alfredo Cristiani
Vinicio Cerezo Adolf Hitler, Ferdinand Marcos , Ngo Dinh Diem Sir Hassanal Bolkiah , Halie Selassie P. W. Botha , the Shah of Iran, Hitler, Gen Francisco Franco , Antonio de Oliveira ,Siad Barre , Papa Doc and Baby Doc, and Pol Pot (a byproduct of Nixon) ….
And THAT’s before BushCheney.
So spare me the GOP propaganda.
EstebanCafe May 6th, 2015 at 12:29
I attended 12 years of US schooling, including a BS from UC Davis and Masters from Saint Mary’s College (Moraga, CA). I have done post graduate work at Stanford University…resulting in a fairly good feel for the Leftist nonsense spouted at the American Uni’s.
Au contraire re Jefferson–a mainstay of the American Conservative movement. You American Leftists excoriate him for quotes that smash your dependency enhancing policies centered in the large inner city failures such as Baltimore: “Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude.” Not so on the Left: the state must solve any inequity–you have no personal responsibility to do so yourself. Probably why most USA lawyers are Democrats. With liberal policies, “You can take the man out of the ghetto, but it’s far harder to remove the ghetto from the man.” Congratulations liberals: you’ve extended your Southern Slave Plantation Policies to ALL the Blue major metro areas. You’ve run those Blue cities for decades and they look worse than Lebanon or Syria after bombing. Surely you agree–they sit before your eyes.
And all this funding Mssr Obama requested and got: it’s all about Democrat slush funds. The Leftist cause has always been a racket, from the start–so it did not degenerate into it’s current position as has much of the Republican–to which we both agree.
The socialism to which I refer is that of building in a cultural dependence upon the state–cradle to grave–and giving up personal responsibility and rights for the same. This “nirvana” always seems one step away (typified as $Trillions) to Leftists. “We just need to spend more money !” Socialism has always failed and will always fail–it’s built into it as “other people’s money” always runs out. Half-life: ~70 years before it is thrown off by a weary, poor and weakened people. When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered. And Liberal policies lead the way in ‘voluntary default.’
Please spare me your rants on dictators who I can offset with a plethora of decidedly Socialistic perps and the historically criminal. And not every social contract amounts to Socialism (capital “S”) as you would obfuscate.
StoneyCurtisll May 5th, 2015 at 18:46
Actually, that is were Christians sent Jews..(do a little research)
Your question was: “Nice how you tied the insanity of Islam to Christians. Do you see any Christians carrying out these acts?”
Don’t like the answer?
EstebanCafe May 5th, 2015 at 19:34
Sir, it was the Socialist party that sent the Jews to the concentration camp. Don’t like the answer ?
OldLefty May 5th, 2015 at 19:50
They came in under the name “Socialist”, then the first thing the did was to kill the socialists;
Ernst Roehm, was in charge of the Sturmabteilung which included many
members who actually believed in the ‘socialism’ of National Socialism and also wanted to become a true revolutionary army in place of the regular German
Army.
The anti-capitalist ideologies of the SA leaders (and echoed by the restless masses) worried the big industry leaders who had helped put Hitler in power.
Hitler had promised them he would put down the trade union movement and Marxists, which he had done, but now his own storm troopers were sounding more and more like Marxists themselves.
According to Hitler, 61 had been executed while 13 had been shot resisting arrest and three had committed suicide. Others have argued that as many as 400 people were killed . This was ‘The Night of the Long Knives’.
The Nazis believed that communism was dangerous to the well-being of nations
because of its intention to dissolve private property and it’s atheism.
StoneyCurtisll May 5th, 2015 at 19:57
Yaaawn….
And what religion were Germans during the years of 1932-1945..(protestant/catholic)
Italy? (an axis power) nearly all Catholic.
Spain? who remained neutral during the war, but deported their Jewish population to death camps outside of the country.(catholic)
I see your attempt to try to deflect from religion towards political affiliation..(which by the way was ultra nationalism) and had little if anything to do with “socialism”)
Spain, Portugal, Italy and Germany, all fascist states, and all predominately Christian nations..
“you dont like the answer”?..
Do what you do best, go with an ad hominem response.
EstebanCafe May 5th, 2015 at 20:46
LOL, still narcoleptic ?
Socialists: https://www.google.com/?gws_rd…
Telling the difference between Stalin and Hitler is very difficult; look at the end result of these twin atheistic monsters: millions are unavailable for comment. They fought each other for the power to enslave, nothing more. And yet, you American Leftists still feel kinship for Socialism. If they had their way, millions more would be dead and enslaved. How do you feel about that ?
Socialism has only killed 100 Million–let’s give it another chance !
Red Mann May 5th, 2015 at 22:49
HAHAHAHAHA!!!! You really think the Nazi’s were socialist because of the name? Really? Are you that ignorant? Do you think the USSR was really a Republic, the East German were really democratic? Jesus H. Christ, the Nazi’s were uber right, as far right as you can go, rather like to Tea Party and the rest of the RW crazy extremists today. Please, it is the authoritarians, whom live on the right, the fed the Holocaust. The same RW that is pushing towards theocracy in America today. Grow up, get in touch with the real world.
EstebanCafe May 6th, 2015 at 01:33
Wow, touched your soul, did I ? Sir, Socialism in it’s various forms, has murdered only 100 million people…let’s give it another chance. Morons like you keep bringing it back, defending it from the safety of your democratic republic. You’re just a little ankle biter.
Red Mann May 6th, 2015 at 02:12
No, you didn’t. You’re a RW loser with no serious knowledge of the real world and actual history, you just parrot the RW lying points you have been fed. The abject and deliberate stupidity of the right is very troubling and very dangerous to the survival of our country.
EstebanCafe May 6th, 2015 at 19:15
Perhaps your country should jail RW people ? They do not think correctly and are “very dangerous to the survival of [y]our country.”
Yes, once a Leftist has sufficient power I’m fairly certain a strong case can be made to get rid of Climate deniers along with the other “dangerous” RW thinkers. What say ye, Red ? Got a little Gulag in you ?
Red Mann May 6th, 2015 at 21:26
As tempting as the thought of shutting up idiots that are actually damaging our country by spreading nonsense that has negative effects, it will not happen. However, if the authoritarians gain total control, the actual thinkers would be rounded up because they would question the party line. Now that has actually happened and you, once again, have your projection on.
Jake May 6th, 2015 at 18:55
Pathetic response. But I’ll give you a chance to redeem yourself. Name one catholic country whose army took up arms against the Nazi Party ( I’ll give you a clue – the answer is “NOT A SINGLE ONE!” )
EstebanCafe May 6th, 2015 at 19:12
Of course it’s pathetic to you and the rest of this echo chamber–I’m here as the token Conservative–it’s my job. The Koch Bro’s pay my salary, don’tcha know ?
However, I do not represent Catholic countries (didn’t know there were any after King Phillip) and cannot speak for them, but I will say that when Socialism becomes accepted in such countries, they’re likely Catholic in trappings only–all good principles fly out the window.
I know you now: As with Dan Rather’s “Fake but accurate” rant on Bush and the Islamic “Lies that server the higher good are ok” you Liberals go all Utilitarian and “Lie for the greater good.” Doesn’t matter that Hillary is a “Bit Fat Liar” (to quote your clown senator)–principles be damned. Yes, I know you now. But I can’t believe anything you say. Lying is endemic in your camp.
Jake May 6th, 2015 at 19:20
That’s okay I figured you would concede. If anything is clear from your posts, it is that you have a fairly poor grasp of political theory – to be honest I don’t think you have a clue what Socialism is. Other than Glenn Beck and Sean Hannitty – which philosophers have you read?
EstebanCafe May 6th, 2015 at 19:56
Hamilton, Madison, Jefferson, Jay, Smith, Socrates (P’s R), Descartes (‘…therefore I am’)… etc., I do not want to admit to Lenin, but I have read him too, to my shame.
Hold. Are we in a political and philosophical peeing contest here ?
Sir, I have Socialism’s name, address and phone number. It is you who lives in an ether filled world–Nirvana hoped for but never seen (“because we didn’t spend enough money, kill enough Deniers, fill in the blank__________ etc.). As a Socialist, you have the thinnest grasp on human nature (“It can be changed — a New Man can be made !”) and zero grasp on Economics. These two reasons–there are many more–alone are the cause for Socialism’s failure everywhere it’s tried. Half life ? ~70 years.
I will check out Mssrs Beck and Hannitty.
Jake May 6th, 2015 at 21:12
I doubt if you would get much philosophical enlightenment from Lenin. You still have not demonstrated that you know what Socialism is – and with each post you reveal more and more of the Fox News bar-stool preaching. As for the New Man, FWIW I have lived in so-called Communist, Socialist and Capitalist countries (Czechoslovakia, Britain, France and The U.S.)- all have their faults – but only the US regards Corporations as humans to be protected at the expense of the elderly and sick who are merely a disposable inconvenience.
StoneyCurtisll May 4th, 2015 at 21:23
You are trying to debate with a narcissists..
There is no point in it..
The narcissist will always claim victory and debase and attempt to demean any response you offer..
What a narcissist hates more than anything is to be ignored…
Because attention is what they crave..
StoneyCurtisll May 4th, 2015 at 21:31
..http://www.resist.com/updates/2008/NOV_08/DeutscheChristian.jpg
StoneyCurtisll May 4th, 2015 at 21:33
http://www.stephenhicks.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/dragon-full.jpg
tracey marie May 4th, 2015 at 21:47
Perfect!
dave-dr-gonzo May 4th, 2015 at 22:15
Weiter, Christian Soldaten!
Red Mann May 4th, 2015 at 22:31
Gott mit Uns.
bpollen May 5th, 2015 at 05:01
Of course I got mittens… All us Minnesotans have mittens.
Red Mann May 4th, 2015 at 22:34
Here
http://skepticism.org/timeline/august-history/8034-german-protestant-clergy-loyalty-oath-hitler.html
Red Mann May 4th, 2015 at 22:37
This: http://civrights.wikispaces.com/Ku+Klux+Klan+%26+Lynching
StoneyCurtisll May 5th, 2015 at 20:37
Maybe something a little more recent..
On May 31, 2009, George Tiller, a physician from
Wichita, Kansas, who was nationally known for being one of the few
doctors in the United States to perform late-term abortions, was
murdered by Scott Roeder.
Scott Roeder is a Christian religious fanatic.
Who is now doing a “hard 50” years in a Kansas prison.
EstebanCafe May 5th, 2015 at 21:13
Sounds familiar: two killers, like Hitler and Stalin, one survives their encounter and the other dies. Neither seems to have deserved life. Killers both.
You would point to a corner case aberration like this to prove…what ? Yet you close your eyes to the massive killing going on by Islam because your American Right decries it ? You’re a sick little squirrel.
heatherGirl May 6th, 2015 at 18:24
It’s still every rare to see such actions taken by Christian’s. It is much more common to see such actions taken by followers of Islam.
And I think more to the point of this article is the idea that people need to avoid provoking followers of Islam……. I do not see anyone suggesting that people have to avoid provoking Christians!
There was a play on Broadway that made fun of the Mormon religion. Not only did no Mormon’s attack the theatre with AK-47, but no one rushed off to write news stories on how people should be banned from insulting Mormon’s!
But then again, Mormon’s are not going to threaten to kill you…… or cut off your head……. or blow up your building…….
tracey marie May 6th, 2015 at 18:42
nonsense
Mr M May 4th, 2015 at 19:50
So I call you out for being full of bologna you label me as a leftist? I haven’t mentioned anything about my views, but I know the US better than you.
Let me just say that 12 years as a visitor does not provide you with enough experience to be such a big mouth about the US. Your rants on this thread are ridiculous: full of assumptions and errors.
EstebanCafe May 4th, 2015 at 20:54
“Call me out” ? “Full of bologna” ? Pray tell. I’m waiting for something besides “12 years as a visitor does not provide your with enough experience…” Tell me where my “rants on this thread are ridiculous: full of assumptions and errors.” That’s equivalent to just screeching, “Liar !” without offering any rebuttal. You made the statements, back them up. Simply trying to dismiss it is ineffective. That should get a good discussion going.
Mr M May 4th, 2015 at 21:31
OK, troll, to deny that Christianity has a ‘preferred’ status in the US, and that privilege goes against the 1st amendment is not something I am going to argue over with a ‘visitor’ to the US. I don’t care how long you visited. Big deal.
And if you think xtians are immune from being hostile you are more brainwashed than I originally thought.
these dead clowns that went to shoot up this gathering of bigoted paranoid idiots are just a different flavor of the same zealotry. Remember GWBush said God told him to attack Iraq. Need I say more? No, because you are unreasonable, that’s how the faithful are….but God talked to him? Unbelievable. And it gets a pass, because why? Because it’s true? God told Bush to invade Iraq, resulting in thousands and thousands of deaths?
BTW, because you can’t figure it out on your own – NYC and LA aren’t exactly the norm in the US.. But that’s part of what’s great about the US, it’s not all the same. Nobody should have a preferred status. But you think preventing discrimination is some sort of special privilege, or you pretend discrimination doesn’t happen. Well your wrong.
James Miller May 5th, 2015 at 19:01
I love how so many of you have opinions one way or the other on this. Really how much real contact do you all have with real Islam and not the fake “Americanized” Islam? I grew up in Saudi in the 80’s because of my father’s job and most of you here have you’re heads totally up your asses on both sides lol.
tracey marie May 5th, 2015 at 23:35
and you and geller pretend you value life while calling for the death of all muslims
James Miller May 6th, 2015 at 00:50
Where in my statement do you see me calling for the death of all muslims? You stereotyping twat, your pea size brain cannot understand the idea that there may be a middle ground that is pretty clear. You close minded stereotyping trash can go eat a dick.
Hirightnow May 6th, 2015 at 03:53
No need for vulgarity, fuckwad.
tracey marie May 6th, 2015 at 18:42
you are an animal and a fool
Anomaly 100 May 6th, 2015 at 21:07
You’re done here.
Have a nice day though….
heatherGirl May 6th, 2015 at 18:18
When has she called for the death of all Muslims…….. Please cite your source.
tracey marie May 6th, 2015 at 18:25
google for ypourself lazy bagger
robert May 5th, 2015 at 19:46
lets review the latest activities in texas ( in short )
Right to carry marches / demonstrations … check
border watch for illegal immigrants with tv personalities …. check
its not too hard to figure out that the trap was set and the bait was taken. need i say more ?
Red Mann May 5th, 2015 at 22:54
No, it is not difficult to an intelligent, rational person, but it is difficult for a RW apologist to tell the difference. You throw the usual childish socialism remark because you wish to think you are smart, but you have simply bought into the idiocy from the right. Socialism is NOT inherently bad, it is necessary to moderate the untrammeled greed of the uber capitalist right. You are a very stupid person pretending to be smart.
EstebanCafe May 6th, 2015 at 01:28
Millions are dead because of both Socialists, Hitler and Stalin…please explain the nuanced difference to those dead people.
And that’s the point: there is no difference in the end result. Accept the fact–the millions of dead have.
Red Mann May 6th, 2015 at 01:38
No, regardless of your inane notion of history, Hitler was not a socialist and Stalin did not kill anyone in the name of socialism, he killed to maintain power. In any event Stalin’s implementation of communism was closely akin to religion with dogma, saints and gods. As per usual, your nonsense if firmly up your butt. You have no clue what socialism even is, just what you have been told by your RW masters.
greenfloyd May 5th, 2015 at 23:37
It appears some Muslims misunderstand the whole thing about rendering an image of “God.” I doubt it started as a prohibition, but probably was more like a spiritual observation that man is incapable of picturing the enormity of a universal force some people call Allah.
OldLefty May 6th, 2015 at 13:21
I attended 12 years of US schooling, including a BS from UC Davis and Masters from Saint Mary’s College (Moraga, CA). I have done post graduate work at Stanford
_________
So what?
All we get from you are the same right wing talking points we hear from anyone who listens to 90 hours per week of right wing media from Glenn Beck in the morning to Fox News at night.
You demonstrate NO idea of the American left, academic or otherwise.
The Texas textbook controversy indeed has expunged Jefferson.
One only has to look it up.
And the conservative movement has become a racket ever since they began implementing the Powell Memorandum of 1971.
There is no dependence upon the state other than the state that the right wing believes must be owned by Big Business.
That is why they hate the middle class.
Sorry, but I give you specific facts and you always counter with vague right wing fantasies and wishful thinking.
And the right has ALWAYS love dictators… One stop shopping.
That is what happens when you throw the “Father of Capitalism”, Adam Smith to the curb in favor of the ‘Mother of Nihilism’, Ayn Rand (Who, by the way turned to the state for the social programs she decried but needed when she was old and sick, and as a liberal, I am glad they were there to help her).
EstebanCafe May 6th, 2015 at 16:56
What is it with Castro and the liberals? It’s still a good question. Mark Falcoff writes:
The cat is now out of the bag as far as American liberals are concerned. They have always secretly adored the Castro regime, and now they can shamelessly express their feelings, since our president himself seems to think the dictatorship on the island is quite all right. There are few examples as tawdry, however, as the statements of Governor Cuomo, who, while visiting the island, pronounced the kind of tributes to the dictatorship
one used to hear from Texas businessmen in the 1940s when visiting Trujillo’s
Dominican Republic.
Why do American liberals love the Cuban dictatorship?
Let me count the ways. First, it is a counter-example of the American way of
life (suburbs, tacky shopping centers, automobiles, uninhibited consumerism).
Second, it is a reproach to American foreign policy–if the Cuban dictator jails
dissidents, or tortures them, or deprives their families of their ration cards,
then it is OUR fault. If only we would be more loving and caring in 1959, none
of this would have happened. (The Bay of Pigs is often cited even though their
chronology is invariably wrong.)
Third–and this I get from a liberal with whom I had dinner recently–their love of Havana represents the obverse of their hatred of Miami Cubans, who are everything American liberals despise. Try as I might t explain to this guy that the people in Miami are far from his caricature, he would hear none of it. Their major sin seems to be the only
ethnic group that solidly votes for the GOP.
Some of the arguments I hear from liberals are really amazing. One I hear quite often is, “Well, we’ve supported many dictatorships in the past and even do so today, so what’s the difference?” When I ask whether they approve of past U.S. support (real ore alleged) of the Pinochet dictatorship in Chile or the Somozas in Nicaragua, they change the
subject.
The point is, they love Communism (in Cuba, that is), they love the Castros, they can’t wait to visit Havana, or so they tell me. So much for all their handwringing about human rights, torture, dictatorships, and so forth, that were their battle flags throughout the 1980s,
when the Cold War was at its height.
OldLefty May 6th, 2015 at 17:17
What is it with Castro and the liberals? It’s still a good question.
______
Nothing.
It’s yet another straw man built by folk like those at the AEI.
More Conservatives had more love for Pinochet, the Contra, Franco, Saddam and Mubarak and the Sauds than liberal do have for Castro.
They just think the embargo is stupid.
EstebanCafe May 6th, 2015 at 19:00
Yes, I didn’t think any of you wanted to get your tonsils out in Cuba, regardless of the liberal tripe about their superior medical system.
OldLefty May 6th, 2015 at 19:15
Medical tourism is a booming industry, including Cuba;
http://www.newswire.ca/fr/story/376989/cuba-to-the-rescue
And now;
Americans May See Appeal of Medical Tourism in Cuba
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/18/world/americas/americans-may-see-appeal-of-medical-tourism-in-cuba.html?_r=0
EstebanCafe May 6th, 2015 at 19:44
Yes, I recall the quackery of the ’80s as thousands of you Americans went to Mexico for cancer treatments predicated on peach seed extract not offered in the USA. LOL, that’s because they do not have the same standards.
And the BS in the NYT’s article of ISO 9001 as a “standard of cleanliness” is patent BS. I helped to define ISO 9K and 9001 (a small addition)-they’re specifications with which you measure what you’ve defined as your process standard. That is, they ask and audit whether you’re “following your process standards” or not. Regardless of how high or low your standards–you define those–may be. Yet another example of twisted Leftist pap. Spare me, please.
And so Americans flock to third world medicine once again because your FDA precludes certain medicines and procedures in an effort to protect you. Don’t you support your FDA ?
Seriously, if you’re thinking of having a 3rd world procedure, please contact your doctor first. There’s a reason they’re available only in the 3rd world.
Sigh.
OldLefty May 6th, 2015 at 20:02
You need to look up medical tourism.
I don’t think you know what it is.
http://www.business-in-asia.com/asia/medical_tourism.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/stories/2008-11-09/medical-tourism-the-insurance-debatebusinessweek-business-news-stock-market-and-financial-advice
Paying Workers to Go Abroad for Health Care – WSJ
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122273570173688551
Hip surgery in India? Insurance may pay –
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/25415614/ns/health-health_care/t/hip-surgery-india-insurance-may-pay/#.VUqq5tpViko
Medical Tourism: Globalization of the Healthcare Marketplace
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/564406_7
Rising popularity of medical tourism reveals deterioration of U.S. healthcare system
Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/007097.html#ixzz3ZPFe43ZN
Do some fact checking before you post.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/564406_7
tracey marie May 6th, 2015 at 18:41
trolling and OT, what a loser you are
EstebanCafe May 6th, 2015 at 18:57
That seems rough for someone bringing a diverse opinion to this echo chamber. Thought you’d appreciate it… :)
tracey marie May 6th, 2015 at 19:40
trolling and OT, try focusing on reality
EstebanCafe May 6th, 2015 at 20:02
Your “reality” is the problem. Again, the last thing a maggot discovers is the crap she’s swimming in. Pick up a book that opposes your views…I do. I listen to all your Leftist agitprop. Love it ! I already know what is true–at the very least what I believe.
You should get out of your muck to see something different. You may learn something.
Eight years ago I was just like you. On the other hand, you may, like me, be all the more convinced of your position. But you won’t know that inside this echo chamber.
C’mon, you’re a little Conservative Curious, right ?
tracey marie May 6th, 2015 at 20:02
blah blah blah, get a life troll
EstebanCafe May 6th, 2015 at 20:27
Truly, you want to hear only those things that support your position ? Hands over your ears, eyes shut, “blah, blah, blah–I can’t hear you” coming out of your mouth ? Is that the level of Leftist reasoning today ? Say it isn’t so.
No diversity for you ? Think about it Tracey…really think about it. Try something new. Listen to a different version of the truth. I did. I’m here now to debate what I believe with those of an opposite point of view. You should try it. :)
tracey marie May 6th, 2015 at 20:30
blah blah blah, troll
EstebanCafe May 6th, 2015 at 20:44
And here I thought you were in remission…still that is to be expected: the recidivism rate for Leftists returning, like a dog to its vomit, is very high. But I still hold out hope for you, Tracey.
tracey marie May 6th, 2015 at 20:48
troll
LibertyDwells May 6th, 2015 at 17:11
It’s wonderful watching the left eat itself over this. Seldom does leftist irrationality and impotent anger get put so clearly on display.
OldLefty May 6th, 2015 at 17:35
Funny.
That’s EXACTLY what THEY say about YOU.
tracey marie May 6th, 2015 at 18:40
trolling baggerish only makes you look ignorant
heatherGirl May 6th, 2015 at 18:16
This is all so amazing to me! We have the left saying how you should not intentionally provoke……. That holding a contest to draw Mohammad was wrong because they knew it would provoke Islam was wrong.
………..So this means liberals will never hold another planned parenthood meeting, or another gay rights rally……. because Christians might find that “provocative”…….?
OldLefty May 6th, 2015 at 18:28
This is all so amazing to me! We have the left saying how you should not intentionally provoke..
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The right is saying that..
Nobody thinks this was done for anything other than to promote Pam Geller.