GOP Guv’s Startling Gun Veto: What Does It Mean?
Gov. Rick Snyder vetoed two bills Thursday backed by the National Rifle Association that could have made it easier for some people accused of domestic violence to obtain a concealed weapon license.
Snyder said the bills contained reforms to Michigan’s concealed weapons law that he supports, but included some changes that might inadvertently increase the risk of violence and intimidation faced by domestic abuse victims who seek court protection.
“I didn’t feel comfortable with signing these bills with the possibility that … someone that has a protective order on them could essentially go get a concealed weapon,” Snyder said at a Lansing news conference for a different bill signing.
That little provision might not have been noticed had not a Detroit newspaper raised a stink about it just over a week ago:
Senate Bill 789, sponsored by Sen. Mike Green, R-Mayville, would have eliminated county gun boards, which now issue concealed pistol licenses, and turn that function over to county clerks and the Michigan State Police. Proponents said the main point of the legislation was to make Michigan a true “shall issue” state for concealed weapons licenses and eliminate what they say are variations among counties in what’s required to obtain a permit.
The [Detroit] Free Press reported Jan. 6 that the bill included a provision that said concealed weapons permits must be issued, even to persons subject to personal protection orders for domestic violence or stalking, provided they would otherwise be eligible for a permit and a ban on obtaining a gun is not a condition of their personal protection orders.
Is Snyder a moderate Republican, or is he positioning himself as a moderate with other goals (i.e. a possible eventual run for higher office) in mind? Debate away in comments!
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Anomaly 100 January 16th, 2015 at 19:55
I’m pretty sure Snyder made his decision after a firestorm of social media attention. Regardless, he made the right decision and I even sent him a thank you tweet.
allison1050 January 16th, 2015 at 20:08
After and where the heck have you been?
Anomaly 100 January 16th, 2015 at 20:35
I swear Mom, I wasn’t out with any guys. I was at the library.:-)
FreakOutNation relaunched so I’ve been spending most of my time there, but I have been coming here daily.
allison1050 January 16th, 2015 at 20:44
surrre, grounded!
Anomaly 100 January 16th, 2015 at 21:23
Foiled AGAIN!
allison1050 January 16th, 2015 at 23:41
chuckles! I’m on my way to Freak Out Nation to check it out.
Anomaly 100 January 17th, 2015 at 07:33
Yay!
allison1050 January 17th, 2015 at 09:48
I enjoyed it very much and have it on my list so I won’t forget it. ;)
Anomaly 100 January 17th, 2015 at 10:20
Thanks for that! <3
allison1050 January 17th, 2015 at 10:31
Look forward to seeing you there. ;)
burqa January 17th, 2015 at 11:00
That FreakOut-whatever can wait.
HERE is where you need to be.
That other thing can be a cyute little diversion, a hobby, a bagatelle, if you will, but this is where you really need to be.
I can tell.
Anomaly 100 January 17th, 2015 at 14:57
I’m still hanging out at both sites. I love you guys too much to stay away.
burqa January 18th, 2015 at 18:40
I DO like the way you tend to freshen things up and I look for your posts.
Anomaly 100 January 18th, 2015 at 19:05
We have a mutual admiration thing goin’ on then. I love reading your comments. We may not always agree, but you’re highly intelligent and add a splash of humor to your remarks.
burqa January 18th, 2015 at 21:42
Awwwww, shucks!
[burqa blushes deeply, looks down while clasping his hands behind his back stiffly, twists his body like a Twizzler to the left while lightly kicking toward the right at an imaginary pebble]
Anomaly 100 January 18th, 2015 at 21:49
<3
burqa January 18th, 2015 at 22:45
[burqa’s mouth moves but no sounds come out. There’s definitely some words there…….and he’s still blushing]
tracey marie January 16th, 2015 at 20:09
Good for you, it was the correct decision that the right must embrace
jasperjava January 16th, 2015 at 21:03
The extreme Right thinks that it’s within s man’s rights to shoot his ex-wife dead if she displeases him in any way. I don’t see them embracing this decision.
Anomaly 100 January 16th, 2015 at 20:55
I’m pretty sure Snyder made his decision after a firestorm of social media attention. Regardless, he made the right decision and I even sent him a thank you tweet.
allison1050 January 16th, 2015 at 21:08
After and where the heck have you been?
Anomaly 100 January 16th, 2015 at 21:35
I swear Mom, I wasn’t out with any guys. I was at the library.:-)
FreakOutNation relaunched so I’ve been spending most of my time there, but I have been coming here daily.
allison1050 January 16th, 2015 at 21:44
surrre, grounded!
Anomaly 100 January 16th, 2015 at 22:23
Foiled AGAIN!
allison1050 January 17th, 2015 at 00:41
chuckles! I’m on my way to Freak Out Nation to check it out.
Anomaly 100 January 17th, 2015 at 08:33
Yay!
allison1050 January 17th, 2015 at 10:48
I enjoyed it very much and have it on my list so I won’t forget it. ;)
Anomaly 100 January 17th, 2015 at 11:20
Thanks for that! <3
allison1050 January 17th, 2015 at 11:31
Look forward to seeing you there. ;)
burqa January 17th, 2015 at 12:00
That FreakOut-whatever can wait.
HERE is where you need to be.
That other thing can be a cyute little diversion, a hobby, a bagatelle, if you will, but this is where you really need to be.
I can tell.
Anomaly 100 January 17th, 2015 at 15:57
I’m still hanging out at both sites. I love you guys too much to stay away.
burqa January 18th, 2015 at 19:40
I DO like the way you tend to freshen things up and I look for your posts.
Anomaly 100 January 18th, 2015 at 20:05
We have a mutual admiration thing goin’ on then. I love reading your comments. We may not always agree, but you’re highly intelligent and add a splash of humor to your remarks.
burqa January 18th, 2015 at 22:42
Awwwww, shucks!
[burqa blushes deeply, looks down while clasping his hands behind his back stiffly, twists his body like a Twizzler to the left while lightly kicking toward the right at an imaginary pebble]
Anomaly 100 January 18th, 2015 at 22:49
<3
burqa January 18th, 2015 at 23:45
[burqa’s mouth moves but no sounds come out. There’s definitely some words there…….and he’s still blushing]
tracey marie January 16th, 2015 at 21:09
Good for you, it was the correct decision that the right must embrace
jasperjava January 16th, 2015 at 22:03
The extreme Right thinks that it’s within a man’s rights to shoot his ex-wife dead if she displeases him in any way. I don’t see them embracing this decision.
What good is it to own a gun if you can’t use it to put the little woman in her place? That’s clearly an infringement of a manly macho American man’s Second Amendment rights.
KABoink_after_wingnut_hacker January 16th, 2015 at 20:16
This means nothing.
Conservative whackadoodles have pushed any public discourse so far to the extreme right, this only appears acceptable to civilized society.
It’s just smoke & mirrors to placate, lie and get a headline for political gain, but doesn’t solve any problems in the state.
KABoink_after_wingnut_hacker January 16th, 2015 at 21:16
This means nothing.
Conservative whackadoodles have pushed any public discourse so far to the extreme right, this only appears acceptable to civilized society.
It’s just smoke & mirrors to placate, lie and get a headline for political gain, but doesn’t solve any problems in the state.
rg9rts January 17th, 2015 at 02:54
Did it by mistake I’m sure
rg9rts January 17th, 2015 at 03:54
Did it by mistake I’m sure
burqa January 17th, 2015 at 06:33
Hmmm.
Rick Snyder, huh?
Reminds me of Barney from “All in the Family,” but maybe it’s just me….
burqa January 17th, 2015 at 07:33
Hmmm.
Rick Snyder, huh?
Reminds me of Barney from “All in the Family,” but maybe it’s just me….
Budda January 17th, 2015 at 07:07
Maybe he realized just how dumb some of those provisions were? (It’s possible)
Budda January 17th, 2015 at 08:07
Maybe he realized just how dumb some of those provisions were? (It’s possible)
Suzanne McFly January 17th, 2015 at 09:08
This bill was stopped because a reporter did some leg work. What about all the bills that are passed without being analyzed by the press and leaving the public uninformed? That should concern anyone who cares about the powers of elected officials and those who own them.
burqa January 17th, 2015 at 10:56
Good call, Ms. McFly.
One thing I would like to see in the legislative process is authorship of bills clearly indicated. For example, when a bill is introduced, the author(s) are noted. Then, during debate, any and all changes are made but also signed so we know just who inserted the provision into the defense bill to continue funding the national helium reserve. The original bill is kept and every change in its life has to be documented, otherwise they are not part of the bill and it goes back to the original.
Suzanne McFly January 17th, 2015 at 16:42
That would be an incredible progression to what we have right now. At the moment, as we all know, these slobs can add any villainous addition to an otherwise respectable bill. I like what Bernie Sanders did for the Keystone bill, if you vote on this bill, you need to state what your beliefs are about global warming. “Do you (as a congress member) believe in global warming and if you do, do you also believe humans are responsible?” Get them on public record about their views so we know who bought their degrees and who actually worked to earn it.
burqa January 18th, 2015 at 18:55
Thank you, Ms. McFly. You are too kind.
I’ve had this idea for quite some time since an incident here in the county. I’ve been involved in local issues and in dealing with local government.
In the county, the way they do it is the supervisors get what’s called a board packet before their monthly meetings. The content of the packet is what they discuss and is posted online.
One time they were discussing the budget and there was a last-minute expenditure introduced, but it was not in the board packet and no one knew “officially” who introduced it, but it was kind of obvious this one particularly shady supervisor had done it.
Fortunately, a sharp-eyed supervisor caught it, buried in the budget they were about to vote for and he had it stricken.
So the idea came to me that they might not catch such things in the future, so the thing to do would be to have a copy of the original proposal and if every change was signed off on, they could not only know who voted for what, but they could track the changes and anything done on the sly would become apparent when they could show it was not in the original or any of the updated iterations and could therefore be stricken if the item was discovered after the budget or any other measure was passed.
It’s just being responsible, in my view, and if someone wants to hide something, then something is very wrong.
Suzanne McFly January 18th, 2015 at 19:18
That is something anyone with a brain cell would support. If you believe in something than you should stand behind it. Unfortunately we are talking about politicians and all they support is a dollar bill. We would need a politician like Elizabeth Warren to draw up some sort of provision to put this type of reasonable action in place at the federal level. Good job using your rights to ensure your local population has someone there watching out for their rights, so many of us (sadly myself included) don’t even bother.
burqa January 18th, 2015 at 22:40
Sometimes local politics can make one wonder if one is experiencing an acid flashback. It can get downright psychedelic the stuff that goes on and the things people try to get away with.
One thing we got going is a developer who not only tosses cash around, but has these “no wives” parties. The fellas show up and smoke expensive cee-gars and there are females there to provide private “entertainment” that has already been paid for in advance by the developer. This is not supposed to be known but word leaks out and I’m waiting for the time a suspicious wife shows up and causes a scene.
Recently a couple of politicians mysteriously reversed their stands on development………….not that this sort of thing is new…..
Suzanne McFly January 19th, 2015 at 11:40
It is sad to see, you can buy an elected slob for a lap dance and a cigar? Not only are they idiots, they are cheap too? Now that pisses me off lol. I have gone to a school board meeting in Florida and it was a comedy. The only people who showed up were students who had to attend (such as myself) and a couple of nutty locals that were there to talk non sense to the board members. There was nothing logical happening and it seemed like a waste of time. Maybe if logical citizens attended these meetings, we would see more logical bills being passed the rest of us could support.
burqa January 19th, 2015 at 21:42
Yes ma’am. There’s a bit more than lap dances, but I shall not go into the unsavory details. And yes, they are cheap. A few thousand dollars every couple of years goes into their campaigns.
Another game is through charity. The developer finds out the city councilman or county supervisor’s wife has a pet cause so the developer moves in and becomes the principal benefactor. Maybe it’s a youth soccer league the developer generously buys a few goals and pays to stripe a couple of fields for. Once they are dependent on him and just before a vote comes up to rezone property for his $50 million townhouse development, the wife is told that times are tight and funding for the youth soccer league might have to be cut off entirely. Of course if things get better, business-wise, such as getting that rezoning, then funds may become available to keep the league going.
Publicly the developer is a prince and gets plaques for doing so much to help out, but it’s all nothing but business expenses and he’ll be more than willing to pull the rug out from under programs to help the mentally disabled, the homeless or whomever he tries to use as leverage to get his projects built.
This area is being ruined by this kind of thing going on.
Suzanne McFly January 20th, 2015 at 11:53
This would be very easy to find out, so either it must be legal or no one will look into what is going on. I know how sick I felt when I first became interested in politics and seen what our money was really being spent on. We all know how much better it would be to spend this money on issues where the community is much better served, but yet our elected officials use the money to serve themselves.
burqa January 21st, 2015 at 03:36
We-ell, the developer is free to contribute or not, and they don’t put threats in writing. A lot of times they don’t even have to be so blatant.
I could tell you many, many cases of corruption. The ideology of the politician doesn’t matter, either. Indeed, one of the few really honest politicians I know around here happens to be the chairman of the Republican Party in his county. He and I get along very well and we respectfully set aside our disagreements on national issues to work together on local issues where we agree. This area is dominated by Republicans and as things have turned out, occasionally I go to some rather posh social events where they also dominate. Most of them don’t know I’m a liberal and occasionally I have a little wicked fun with them.
Sometime I’ll tell you more about the developer who has the “no-wives” parties. He’s quite slimy.
One way I see citizens ill-served is a system of trading votes. They’ll get together and see who wants what and trade votes, even if it is bad for the citizens or the municipality. For example, one county nearby has one end that is particularly beautiful and 15 years ago a developer tried to move in and the county zoned the area AP – Agricultural Preservation with all kinds of restrictions intended to preserve the rural nature of that area.
So this one guy gets elected supervisor from that district after campaigning on a no-growth for that area platform. But there were back room deals to be made and this supervisor just wanted to sell the family farm and move to Florida. He hooks up with a developer’s flunky and next thing you know this supervisor is pushing for a “towne centre” shopping complex to be built in that part of the county. This was to be a couple strip malls, office complexes, etc. and the fact that his family farm was located right smack dab in the middle of it all was merely COINCIDENCE!
Suzanne McFly January 17th, 2015 at 10:08
This bill was stopped because a reporter did some leg work. What about all the bills that are passed without being analyzed by the press and leaving the public uninformed? That should concern anyone who cares about the powers of elected officials and those who own them.
burqa January 17th, 2015 at 11:56
Good call, Ms. McFly.
One thing I would like to see in the legislative process is authorship of bills clearly indicated. For example, when a bill is introduced, the author(s) are noted. Then, during debate, any and all changes are made but also signed so we know just who inserted the provision into the defense bill to continue funding the national helium reserve. The original bill is kept and every change in its life has to be documented, otherwise they are not part of the bill and it goes back to the original.
Suzanne McFly January 17th, 2015 at 17:42
That would be an incredible progression to what we have right now. At the moment, as we all know, these slobs can add any villainous addition to an otherwise respectable bill. I like what Bernie Sanders did for the Keystone bill, if you vote on this bill, you need to state what your beliefs are about global warming. “Do you (as a congress member) believe in global warming and if you do, do you also believe humans are responsible?” Get them on public record about their views so we know who bought their degrees and who actually worked to earn it.
burqa January 18th, 2015 at 19:55
Thank you, Ms. McFly. You are too kind.
I’ve had this idea for quite some time since an incident here in the county. I’ve been involved in local issues and in dealing with local government.
In the county, the way they do it is the supervisors get what’s called a board packet before their monthly meetings. The content of the packet is what they discuss and is posted online.
One time they were discussing the budget and there was a last-minute expenditure introduced, but it was not in the board packet and no one knew “officially” who introduced it, but it was kind of obvious this one particularly shady supervisor had done it.
Fortunately, a sharp-eyed supervisor caught it, buried in the budget they were about to vote for and he had it stricken.
So the idea came to me that they might not catch such things in the future, so the thing to do would be to have a copy of the original proposal and if every change was signed off on, they could not only know who voted for what, but they could track the changes and anything done on the sly would become apparent when they could show it was not in the original or any of the updated iterations and could therefore be stricken if the item was discovered after the budget or any other measure was passed.
It’s just being responsible, in my view, and if someone wants to hide something, then something is very wrong.
Suzanne McFly January 18th, 2015 at 20:18
That is something anyone with a brain cell would support. If you believe in something than you should stand behind it. Unfortunately we are talking about politicians and all they support is a dollar bill. We would need a politician like Elizabeth Warren to draw up some sort of provision to put this type of reasonable action in place at the federal level. Good job using your rights to ensure your local population has someone there watching out for their rights, so many of us (sadly myself included) don’t even bother.
burqa January 18th, 2015 at 23:40
Sometimes local politics can make one wonder if one is experiencing an acid flashback. It can get downright psychedelic the stuff that goes on and the things people try to get away with.
One thing we got going is a developer who not only tosses cash around, but has these “no wives” parties. The fellas show up and smoke expensive cee-gars and there are females there to provide private “entertainment” that has already been paid for in advance by the developer. This is not supposed to be known but word leaks out and I’m waiting for the time a suspicious wife shows up and causes a scene.
Recently a couple of politicians mysteriously reversed their stands on development………….not that this sort of thing is new…..
Suzanne McFly January 19th, 2015 at 12:40
It is sad to see, you can buy an elected slob for a lap dance and a cigar? Not only are they idiots, they are cheap too? Now that pisses me off lol. I have gone to a school board meeting in Florida and it was a comedy. The only people who showed up were students who had to attend (such as myself) and a couple of nutty locals that were there to talk non sense to the board members. There was nothing logical happening and it seemed like a waste of time. Maybe if logical citizens attended these meetings, we would see more logical bills being passed the rest of us could support.
burqa January 19th, 2015 at 22:42
Yes ma’am. There’s a bit more than lap dances, but I shall not go into the unsavory details. And yes, they are cheap. A few thousand dollars every couple of years goes into their campaigns.
Another game is through charity. The developer finds out the city councilman or county supervisor’s wife has a pet cause so the developer moves in and becomes the principal benefactor. Let’s say it’s a youth soccer league. The developer generously buys a few goals and pays to stripe a couple of fields for. Once they are dependent on him and just before a vote comes up to rezone property for his $50 million townhouse development, the wife is told that times are tight and funding for the youth soccer league might have to be cut off entirely. Of course if things get better, business-wise, such as getting that rezoning, then funds may become available to keep the league going.
Publicly the developer is a prince and gets plaques for doing so much to help out, but it’s all nothing but business expenses and he’ll be more than willing to pull the rug out from under programs to help the mentally disabled, the homeless or whomever he tries to use as leverage to get his projects built.
This area is being ruined by this kind of thing going on.
Suzanne McFly January 20th, 2015 at 12:53
This would be very easy to find out, so either it must be legal or no one will look into what is going on. I know how sick I felt when I first became interested in politics and seen what our money was really being spent on. We all know how much better it would be to spend this money on issues where the community is much better served, but yet our elected officials use the money to serve themselves.
burqa January 21st, 2015 at 04:36
We-ell, the developer is free to contribute or not, and they don’t put threats in writing. A lot of times they don’t even have to be so blatant.
I could tell you many, many cases of corruption. The ideology of the politician doesn’t matter, either. Indeed, one of the few really honest politicians I know around here happens to be the chairman of the Republican Party in his county. He and I get along very well and we respectfully set aside our disagreements on national issues to work together on local issues where we agree. This area is dominated by Republicans and as things have turned out, occasionally I go to some rather posh social events where they also dominate. Most of them don’t know I’m a liberal and occasionally I have a little wicked fun with them.
Sometime I’ll tell you more about the developer who has the “no-wives” parties. He’s quite slimy.
One way I see citizens ill-served is a system of trading votes. They’ll get together and see who wants what and trade votes, even if it is bad for the citizens or the municipality. For example, one county nearby has one end that is particularly beautiful and 15 years ago a developer tried to move in and the county zoned the area AP – Agricultural Preservation with all kinds of restrictions intended to preserve the rural nature of that area.
So this one guy gets elected supervisor from that district after campaigning on a no-growth for that area platform. But there were back room deals to be made and this supervisor just wanted to sell the family farm and move to Florida. He hooks up with a developer’s flunky and next thing you know this supervisor is pushing for a “towne centre” shopping complex to be built in that part of the county. This was to be a couple strip malls, office complexes, etc. and the fact that his family farm was located right smack dab in the middle of it all was merely COINCIDENCE!
causeican January 17th, 2015 at 09:10
There goes his NRA rating.
causeican January 17th, 2015 at 10:10
There goes his NRA rating.
Denise January 17th, 2015 at 11:56
It’s all about 2016 folks. After being anti female, the conservatives realize women vote, they want the white, single female vote. Won’t happen
Denise January 17th, 2015 at 12:56
It’s all about 2016 folks. After being anti female, the conservatives realize women vote, they want the white, single female vote. Won’t happen