View from ‘The Duh’: Why The Sunshine State Is So Flor-I-Duh
I spent most of my pre-college days in a very conservative part of Florida. While my family came from far and wide and never shared the ideology, my classmates and friends mostly did. I spent many high school nights “mudding” in a pick up truck, drinking Miller long necks and singing along to Leonard Skynyrd and Hank Williams Jr. It’s what we did for fun and man, it was great fun!
After spending a great deal of time over the past year back deep in the heart of Red America I am reminded of some things easily forgotten in the many years since then. Living in progressive college towns, Europe, Las Vegas and New York City I’d become removed in many ways from whence I came. It’s been an opportunity to reconnect with my roots and find out what makes typical Republican voters tick.
First of all, conservatives are wonderful people. They are caring, compassionate, open-minded and love a good time. Sure, there may have been some use of kid gloves since my presence there was due to sad and unfortunate circumstances, but they love thy neighbor and are always quick with a smile and a wave from their front porch. You will always get food from your neighbors, perhaps extra fruit from their trees or leftover bar-b-que that is just “too good not to share”. Everyone has a song in their heart and a drink in their hand. It’s a slower and simpler rhythm there, one which it would be easy to become accustomed. I’ve found folks in this Conservative bastion to be as sincere and as good-hearted as they come.
So what explains the politics in Red America? Why do they vote for politicians that blatantly go against these admirable traits?
First of all, there is no desire for complexities. Life is simple in Florida and individual political analysis is too. That “big government is bad” is about all that needs to be known. Any complex discussion with people there is fruitless. I didn’t find that much hostility to those who disagree or hold different opinions with them, it’s just that these good folks are not interested in detail or nuance. They hate politics so avoid thinking about it that much. They’ve form their opinions, end of discussion, end of analysis. Opinions here are not flexible based on changing circumstances, once they are set they tend to be set for life. One life, one opinion, let’s have a beer.
Perhaps the most discouraging, if unsurprising thing I found is that the political opinions they do hold are based almost universally on misinformation. The “facts” they present in discussion are not facts at all. The news sources they consume, much more casually than political junkies like me, fill their heads with the falsehoods political observers know too well. I am more convinced than ever that rhetoric from Conservative media steers opinions of Republican voters and not the other way around.
Conservatives may be bad at governing but they know how to get into the minds of these people. It’s sinister. Folks repeat the dishonest talking points not from a position of anger, but of defensiveness. Politics is complicated and challenging themselves to think anew is uncomfortable. It not a lack of intelligence, it’s a lack of desire to expend the energy required to dig deeper into the issues.
There is no happy ending to this story. I have not grown more optimistic about changing the mind of Conservative voters. I don’t know how that will happen. But I am somewhat comforted by the fact that these are just good people caught up in a bad political movement. We may not be able to persuade them to help themselves but it would be wrong to look at them as the enemy. They are friends. Good people steamrolled by a political system that’s difficult to understand and too complicated and confusing to even try.
Copyright 2014 Liberaland
By: Mark Quincy Adams
A proud 'pragmatic progressive' Mark Quincy Adams has been a political
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tiredoftea November 6th, 2014 at 13:40
The very definition of low information voters!
tiredoftea November 6th, 2014 at 14:40
The very definition of low information voters!
edmeyer_able November 6th, 2014 at 13:53
I think it’s time for another civil war and cessation of those who want a government run by Democrats. Divide the country in half and let republicans go on their evil ways. You want open carry, unlimited stand your ground, rule by koch industries then go for it. I wish some how it could be done.
tiredoftea November 6th, 2014 at 13:58
Sure, just let the South secede and don’t fight it. Problem solved, or not.
R.J. Carter November 6th, 2014 at 14:10
Oh, sure, it sounds like a good idea when you say it… :-)
Spirit of America November 7th, 2014 at 09:29
Didn’t I read, on this forum, ohhhh a few times about ‘those wackos that want to secede’… but of course, the way you italicized ‘you’ we may be saying the same thing…
:)
OldLefty November 7th, 2014 at 09:46
Actually, both sides have had their tongue and cheek versions of “I want a divorce”.
It was only after Obama was re-elected that citizens of states files secession petitions.
Spirit of America November 7th, 2014 at 10:43
“I want a divorce”
LOL, I like that euphemism, I may have to borrow that, ok?
OldLefty November 7th, 2014 at 11:04
Absolutely.
You can Google it, as both sides have it.
This was from 2005;
liberal divorce agreement;
“Dear
Red States…
We’ve decided we’re leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we’re taking the other Blue States with us.
In case you aren’t aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon,Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast.
We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people of the new country of New California.
To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states.
We get stem cell research and the best beaches. We get Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken Lay.
We get the Statue of Liberty. You get Dollywood.
We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.
We get Harvard. You get Ole’ Miss.
We get 85 percent of America’s venture capital and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama.
We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red states
pay their fair share.
Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the
Christian Coalition’s, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a
bunch of single moms.
Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and
anti-war, and we’re going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at
once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have
kids they’re apparently willing to send to their deaths for no
purpose, and they don’t care if you don’t show pictures of their
children’s caskets coming home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and
hope that the WMDs turn up, but we’re not willing to spend our
resources in Bush’s Quagmire.
With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent
of the country’s fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple
and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation’s fresh fruit, 95 percent of
America’s quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners)
90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most
of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and
condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale,
Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.
With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88
percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care
costs), 92 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the
tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern
Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh,
Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.
We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.
Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was
actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred
unless we’re discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say
that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved
in 9/11 and 61 percent of you crazy b*****ds believe you are people
with higher morals then we lefties.
By the way, we’re taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt
weed they grow in Mexico.
Peace out,
Blue States
Spirit of America November 7th, 2014 at 12:18
lol, holy cow what a read!
Mark Quincy Adams November 6th, 2014 at 14:18
As tempting as it may sound, that’s not a good idea. Not only would minorities, students and other innocents suffer within the borders of these new Red Nations, those living in neighboring states / nations would be subject to the pollution, disease outbreaks and God know what else would spread from inside these little Reaganistans.
edmeyer_able November 6th, 2014 at 14:25
Yes there would be issues in implementation. Those who want to live in the “other” country would receive assistance for a one time relocation. If pollution should cross a border country could be sued.
edmeyer_able November 6th, 2014 at 14:53
I think it’s time for another civil war and cessation of those who want a government run by Democrats. Divide the country in half and let republicans go on their evil ways. You want open carry, unlimited stand your ground, rule by koch industries then go for it. I wish some how it could be done.
tiredoftea November 6th, 2014 at 14:58
Sure, just let the South secede and don’t fight it. Problem solved, or not.
R.J. Carter November 6th, 2014 at 15:10
Oh, sure, it sounds like a good idea when you say it… :-)
Spirit of America November 7th, 2014 at 10:29
Didn’t I read, on this forum, ohhhh a few times about ‘those wackos that want to secede’… but of course, the way you italicized ‘you’ we may be saying the same thing…
:)
OldLefty November 7th, 2014 at 10:46
Actually, both sides have had their tongue and cheek versions of “I want a divorce”.
It was only after Obama was re-elected that citizens of states files secession petitions.
Spirit of America November 7th, 2014 at 11:43
“I want a divorce”
LOL, I like that euphemism, I may have to borrow that, ok?
OldLefty November 7th, 2014 at 12:04
Absolutely.
You can Google it, as both sides have it.
This was from 2005;
liberal divorce agreement;
“Dear
Red States…
We’ve decided we’re leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we’re taking the other Blue States with us.
In case you aren’t aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon,Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast.
We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people of the new country of New California.
To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states.
We get stem cell research and the best beaches. We get Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken Lay.
We get the Statue of Liberty. You get Dollywood.
We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.
We get Harvard. You get Ole’ Miss.
We get 85 percent of America’s venture capital and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama.
We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red states
pay their fair share.
Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the
Christian Coalition’s, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a
bunch of single moms.
Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and
anti-war, and we’re going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at
once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have
kids they’re apparently willing to send to their deaths for no
purpose, and they don’t care if you don’t show pictures of their
children’s caskets coming home. We do wish you success in Iraq, and
hope that the WMDs turn up, but we’re not willing to spend our
resources in Bush’s Quagmire.
With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent
of the country’s fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple
and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation’s fresh fruit, 95 percent of
America’s quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners)
90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most
of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and
condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale,
Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.
With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88
percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care
costs), 92 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the
tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern
Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh,
Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.
We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.
Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was
actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred
unless we’re discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say
that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved
in 9/11 and 61 percent of you crazy b*****ds believe you are people
with higher morals then we lefties.
By the way, we’re taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt
weed they grow in Mexico.
Peace out,
Blue States
Spirit of America November 7th, 2014 at 13:18
lol, holy cow what a read!
OldLefty November 7th, 2014 at 13:32
Then out the DNC/RNC Convention schedules;
I thought I’d offer an olive branch to my friends across the aisle to assist them in keeping track of events at the convention:
2008 Democrat National Convention
Schedule of Events
7:00 pm OPENING FLAG BURNING
7:15 pm PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE U.N.
7:20 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
7:25 pm NONRELIGIOUS PRAYER AND WORSHIP – Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton
7:45 pm CEREMONIAL TREE HUGGING – Darryl Hannah
7:55 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
8:00 pm HOW I INVENTED THE INTERNET – Al Gore
8:15 pm GAY WEDDING PLANNING – Rosie O’Donnell
8:35 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
8:40 pm OUR TROOPS ARE WAR CRIMINALS – John Murtha
9.00 pm MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR SADDAM AND HIS SONS – Cindy Sheehan and Susan Sarandon
10:00 pm ANSWERING MACHINE ETIQUETTE – Alec Baldwin
11:00 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
11:05 pm COLLECTION FOR THE OSAMA BIN LADEN KIDNEY TRANSPLANT FUND – Barbara Streisand
11:15 pm FREE THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS FROM GUANTANAMO BAY – Sean Penn
11:30 pm OVAL OFFICE AFFAIRS – William Jefferson Clinton
11:45 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
11:50 pm HOW GEORGE BUSH BROUGHT DOWN THE WORLD TRADE TOWERS – Howard Dean
12:15 am TRUTH IN BROADCASTING AWARD – Presented to Dan Rather by Michael Moore
12:25 am Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
12:30 am SATELLITE ADDRESS – Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
12:45 am NOMINATION OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA – Nancy Pelosi
1:00 am Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
1:05 am CORONATION OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
1:30 am Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
1:35 am Bill Clinton asks Ted Kennedy to drive Hilary home.
Republican Convention Schedule
Minneapolis, MN
4:00 PM – Opening Prayers and Massages Administered by Rev. Ted Haggard
4:05 PM – Presentation of Confederate Colors
4:10 PM – Pledge of Allegiance to 9/11
4:15 PM – Invocation of John McCain’s POW Experience
4:30 PM – George W. Bush Speech on Legacy of Peace and Prosperity, Canceled
4:45 PM – Dick Cheney Instructional Seminar on Waterboarding, Canceled
5:00 PM – Karl Rove Speech on Government Accountability, Canceled
5:15 PM – Tribute to the U.S. Constitution, Canceled
5:30 PM – VP Beauty Contest and Swimsuit Competition, featuring Sarah Palin, Condoleezza Rice, and Rudy Giuliani
5:45 PM – Tribute Film to John McCain’s Houses
6:00 PM – Free Jack Abramoff Pep Rally
6:15 PM – Free Tom DeLay Pep Rally
6:30 PM – Free Ted Stevens Pep Rally
6:45 PM – Invocation of John McCain’s POW Experience
7:00 PM – VP Briefing Session: The Busy Mom’s Guide to Battling Islamic Terrorism
7:15 PM – Larry Craig “Family Values” Lecture and Toe-Tapping Exhibition
7:30 PM – Restroom Break
7:45 PM – Invitation to “Strip Down and Get Relaxed,” delivered by Mark Foley via Instant Message
8:00 PM – Lecture on the Effectiveness of Abstinence-Only Education – Sarah Palin
8:15 PM – Accidental Reference to “Obama bin Laden”
8:30 PM – Tribute to a “Nation of Whiners” – McCain Economic Adviser Phil Gramm
8:45 PM – Invocation of John McCain’s POW Experience
9:00 PM – Group Sing–Along: “Bomb Bomb Bomb, Bomb Bomb Iran”
9:15 PM – Mitt Romney Endorsement of Jockey Underwear
9:30 PM – Joke Interlude: McCain Tells the One About the Lawyer and the Catfish
9:45 PM – Rallying Call to “Drill Here, Drill Now,” Followed by Unveiling of an Oil Rig on Speaker’s Platform
10:00 PM – Halliburton Seminar: Profiting from the Next 100 Years of War in Iraq
10:15 PM – Parade of Alaskan Delegates Across Glitter-Encrusted Bridge to Nowhere, led by Sarah Palin
10:30 PM – Ceremonial Shattering of Glass Ceiling with Shotgun Blast Fired by Palin
11:00 PM – John McCain Acceptance Speech and Plea to Delegates to “Get Off My Lawns”
11:30 PM – Closing Invocation of John McCain’s POW Experience
12:00 AM – Rapture and Farewell to Bush and Cheney
Spirit of America November 7th, 2014 at 14:24
LOL, You’re on a roll today!!
OldLefty November 7th, 2014 at 14:48
Thanks.
Just using what memory I have left since turning 60.
Spirit of America November 7th, 2014 at 17:33
It’s good to see some of the young still have a sense of humor…
OldLefty November 7th, 2014 at 17:46
We all know the biggest problem the world faces, that no one will investigate is the problem with the spacetime continuum.
I just turned 60 in Sept. Five years ago, I was 15.
Christmas used to come every 5 years.
Now it comes every 3 weeks.
Something is wrong.
If you are older than me, you know…
Spirit of America November 7th, 2014 at 18:54
lol, never seen it summed up quite that way before!
(psssst, it goes back to balanced when you’re sleeping, it is only when awake that you notice a shift in the stc. That’s why I learned to be asleep when awake….)
Mark Quincy Adams November 6th, 2014 at 15:18
As tempting as it may sound, that’s not a good idea. Not only would minorities, students and other innocents suffer within the borders of these new Red Nations, those living in neighboring states / nations would be subject to the pollution, disease outbreaks and God know what else would spread from inside these little Reaganistans.
edmeyer_able November 6th, 2014 at 15:25
Yes there would be issues in implementation. Those who want to live in the “other” country would receive assistance for a one time relocation. If pollution should cross a border the offending country could be sued.
William November 6th, 2014 at 13:54
Enjoy your Governor Florida. You’ve earned it.
R.J. Carter November 6th, 2014 at 14:11
Is that a pre-election advertisement, or one of the quickest calls for a recall ever?
William November 6th, 2014 at 14:21
It’s a pre election advisement. Tacky, yes but factual. During the IRS witch hunt,the right wing eagerly maintained invoking the fifth is all but an admission of guilt. To that end I bring you.
crc3 November 6th, 2014 at 15:23
He should be in prison not the governor’s mansion…..
Spirit of America November 6th, 2014 at 17:01
Ahhh, but what do you believe? Is evoking the 5th admission, or not?
William November 6th, 2014 at 14:54
Enjoy your Governor Florida. You’ve earned it.
R.J. Carter November 6th, 2014 at 15:11
Is that a pre-election advertisement, or one of the quickest calls for a recall ever?
William November 6th, 2014 at 15:21
It’s a pre election advisement. Tacky, yes but factual. During the IRS witch hunt,the right wing eagerly maintained invoking the fifth is all but an admission of guilt. To that end I bring you.
crc3 November 6th, 2014 at 16:23
He should be in prison not the governor’s mansion…..
Spirit of America November 6th, 2014 at 18:01
Ahhh, but what do you believe? Is evoking the 5th admission, or not?
Mark Miller November 6th, 2014 at 14:20
Lynyrd
Mark Miller November 6th, 2014 at 15:20
Lynyrd
CMathues November 6th, 2014 at 14:55
I refer to it as “intellectual laziness”
Leannie November 6th, 2014 at 15:55
I refer to it as “intellectual laziness”
crc3 November 6th, 2014 at 15:21
North central and northern FL is a conservative stronghold just like the states GA…AL…MS…SC…NC…TN…etc. I grew up in SC and know exactly how they think and feel. My parents had bigoted characteristics as did many of my relatives. It’s deep rooted and not likely to change much in the next few decades. Southern FL on the other hand is very liberal and is where Charlie Crist received much of his support. Living in Ft Lauderdale the acceptance of ALL races…religions…and genders is commonplace. There are some very upset people about the election results down here in S FL and I’m one of them. Scott will end up as one of the worst governors in the state’s history (maybe the worst) and he has four more years to do tremendous damage to the state with the help of the Republican super majority in the FL legislature. Thus FL is a state that I would like to leave behind but circumstances prevent it at this time… :-(
crc3 November 6th, 2014 at 16:21
North central and northern FL is a conservative stronghold just like the states GA…AL…MS…SC…NC…TN…etc. I grew up in SC and know exactly how they think and feel. My parents had bigoted characteristics as did many of my relatives. It’s deep rooted and not likely to change much in the next few decades. Southern FL on the other hand is very liberal and is where Charlie Crist received much of his support. Living in Ft Lauderdale the acceptance of ALL races…religions…and genders is commonplace. There are some very upset people about the election results down here in S FL and I’m one of them. Scott will end up as one of the worst governors in the state’s history (maybe the worst) and he has four more years to do tremendous damage to the state with the help of the Republican super majority in the FL legislature. Thus FL is a state that I would like to leave behind but circumstances prevent it at this time… :-(
eyelashviper November 7th, 2014 at 10:34
Having lived in Florida for decades (both Miami-Dade and now north central Florida), I think the writer is tremendously kind in his description of cons in the northern parts of the state. The culture is very deep south, and generally is suspicious of “others”, and despite years of segregation, racism is still deeply engrained. He sees the warmth of neighbors, because he is one of the “accepted” ones, but had he darker skin, an unusual name or religion, the welcome would not be so warm.
Despite living near a university town, in one of the few strongly dem counties in the state, it is easy to see the intolerance in more rural areas. A friend of ours, recently relocated to a nice big woodlot in the sticks, learned quickly not to have bumper stickers supporting liberal or environmental causes (tail gaited by honking pickups, sneers at the gas station, etc).
Sadly, these kinds of attitudes are not just among the older breed of white racists, but is seen in younger generations as well…we need more education, more opportunities for young people to learn about other groups, and less rant radio and hatred from politicians and interest groups, including evangelical churches.
I spent my childhood years in other parts of the deep south, and am shocked that we have not moved beyond such xenophobia, ignorance, superstition, and rampant bigotry.
eyelashviper November 7th, 2014 at 11:34
Having lived in Florida for decades (both Miami-Dade and now north central Florida), I think the writer is tremendously kind in his description of cons in the northern parts of the state. The culture is very deep south, and generally is suspicious of “others”, and despite years of desegregation, racism is still deeply engrained. He sees the warmth of neighbors, because he is one of the “accepted” ones, but had he darker skin, an unusual name or religion, the welcome would not be so warm.
Despite living near a university town, in one of the few strongly dem counties in the state, it is easy to see the intolerance in more rural areas. A friend of ours, recently relocated to a nice big woodlot in the sticks, learned quickly not to have bumper stickers supporting liberal or environmental causes (tail gaited by honking pickups, sneers at the gas station, etc).
Sadly, these kinds of attitudes are not just among the older breed of white racists, but is seen in younger generations as well…we need more education, more opportunities for young people to learn about other groups, and less rant radio and hatred from politicians and interest groups, including evangelical churches.
I spent my childhood years in other parts of the deep south, and am shocked that we have not moved beyond such xenophobia, ignorance, superstition, and rampant bigotry.
Spirit of America November 7th, 2014 at 13:24
LOL, You’re on a roll today!!
OldLefty November 7th, 2014 at 13:48
Thanks.
Just using what memory I have left since turning 60.
Spirit of America November 7th, 2014 at 16:33
It’s good to see some of the young still have a sense of humor…
OldLefty November 7th, 2014 at 16:46
We all know the biggest problem the world faces, that no one will investigate is the problem with the spacetime continuum.
I just turned 60 in Sept. Five years ago, I was 15.
Christmas used to come every 5 years.
Now it comes every 3 weeks.
Something is wrong.
If you are older than me, you know…
Spirit of America November 7th, 2014 at 17:54
lol, never seen it summed up quite that way before!
(psssst, it goes back to balanced when you’re sleeping, it is only when awake that you notice a shift in the stc. That’s why I learned to be asleep when awake….)