Jeb: ‘What’s The Paycheck Fairness Act?’
Click here for reuse options!The potential 2016 presidential candidate was asked about the Paycheck Fairness Act at a campaign event for Terri Lynn Land, the Republican running for Senate in Michigan. Asked if Land should support the bill, Bush gave the impression that he had never heard of it.
“What’s the Paycheck Fairness Act?” Bush asked, in an exchange captured by the liberal opposition research outfit American Bridge.
Once the man he was speaking with defined it as a bill that would help women receive “equal pay for equal work,” Bush took issue with his phrasing.“Equal pay for the same work, not for equal work — I think that’s the problem with it. I think there’s a definition issue,” he said, before declining to say whether or not he thought Land should support the legislation.
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searambler October 15th, 2014 at 22:20
“Equal pay for the same work, not for equal work — I think that’s the problem with it. I think there’s a definition issue,” he said, before declining to say whether or not he thought Land should support the legislation.
Typical chickenshit Republican dodge. Color me shocked.
searambler October 15th, 2014 at 22:20
“Equal pay for the same work, not for equal work — I think that’s the problem with it. I think there’s a definition issue,” he said, before declining to say whether or not he thought Land should support the legislation.
Typical chickenshit Republican dodge. Color me shocked.
Robert M. Snyder October 16th, 2014 at 00:00
According to a Sept 2010 story by ABCNEWS:
A growing number of women across the country are upending the conventional wisdom about a gender gap in pay. These women earn 8 percent more on average than their male counterparts, according to a new study of Census data from Reach Advisors, a market research firm.
But there’s a big caveat — the so-called reverse gender gap applies only to women who are unmarried, without children and younger than 30-years-old.
Why are younger women experiencing a sudden reversal of the traditional gender pay gap in the workplace? The answer can be found in any college classroom.
“The more educated you are, the more chances of success you have,” said Stacy Francis, president and founder of Francis Financial. “Women are out-earning men, and a lot of the reason is that we tend to become more educated.”
For every two men who graduate college today, three women do, and college graduates earn almost $30,000 more per year, on average, than high school grads. According to data from the Census Bureau, the average salary for a high school graduate is $37,303, while college graduates earn $66,445 per year on average.
In some cities, the reverse gap is even more pronounced. Young women aren’t just earning more than the guys — they’re clobbering them. In New York, young, unmarried women earn 17 percent more than men. In Los Angeles, they earn 12 percent more, and they enjoy 14 percent more in both Raleigh and Charlotte, N.C.
“In a larger city such as New York and some of the other larger cities, we tend to see that younger women in their 20s to age 30 are very, very career driven and tend to earn quite a bit during that time period,” said Francis.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/reverse-gender-gap-study-young-childless-women-earn/story?id=11538401
arc99 October 16th, 2014 at 00:25
So overall, after a generation with laws on the books mandating equal treatment in the workplace, some women are more successful in the marketplace than their male counterparts. More power to them.
But then according to the same story you cite, much remains to be done.
I am not sure what point you are trying to make by referencing this story, but pointing to the success of some women simply illustrates how the laws passed over the past several decades against workplace discrimination have been a success.
Portraying that success as an indication that nothing more is needed, is like saying that since everybody got a flu shot this year and no one caught the flu, we can skip the shots next year.
Here is another key point in the story you reference.
“”In Wider Population, Pay Gap Remains
Despite the good news for younger women, for those over 30, the gap in pay remains, with women earning 80 cents on average for every dollar that men do.
Robert M. Snyder October 16th, 2014 at 02:58
My son and daughter each have BS degrees. Both graduated with honors. He works full time in a manufacturing environment and she works full time in a healthcare environment. Last year she made 1.5x as much as he did.
A number of my friends and relatives are school teachers. I also know a couple of postal workers. Their salaries are based solely on seniority.
It would be easier to believe the statistics if I knew of a single case in which a female worker was being paid less than a male worker for doing the same work.
I am not saying the statistics are wrong. I am just saying that I do not know whom to believe. I am certainly not worried about my daughter’s earning power.
rg9rts October 16th, 2014 at 04:33
So medicine pays more than manufacturing…stop the presses and tell the world.
Robert M. Snyder October 16th, 2014 at 09:57
“So medicine pays more than manufacturing…”
…because of supply and demand. If there were a surplus of workers qualified to do healthcare jobs, those salaries would go down. If manufacturing design engineers were in short supply, those salaries would go up.
I cannot recall ever having had a conversation with a woman who complained that she was being paid less than her male counterparts for the same work. I hear women complaining about this issue on television. But I never hear it from women I actually know. As I said before, it would be easier to believe the statistics if I personally knew someone who had this experience.
rg9rts October 16th, 2014 at 12:59
Your manufacturing design jobs have been outsourced to India and China eons ago…a wasted education pal
. Should have had some career counseling before peeing away all that $$$$$
Robert M. Snyder October 16th, 2014 at 13:40
But that just underscores the point I am making. Women who enter fields like healthcare are finding jobs and earning good money. Men who enter traditionally male-dominated fields are often having difficulty finding jobs and earning less money. I am just not seeing much evidence to support the claim that women are at a disadvantage in the workplace.
For every three girls who drop out of high school, four boys drop out. For every three women who graduate from college, only two men graduate.
rg9rts October 16th, 2014 at 13:43
Time to stop being sexist… as I said career counseling might have helped…..I would strongly that you don’t tell your daughter or wife that you don’t see pay disparity or it will be a LONG time before you see a cat again
Robert M. Snyder October 16th, 2014 at 14:06
My wife has been an R.N. since 1981. I asked her about this issue this morning. I specifically asked whether she ever heard a female coworker complain about earning less money than a male counterpart for the same job. She thought about it for a few seconds and then said ‘no’. In her current position, everyone in the chain of command is female, including the hospital CEO.
rg9rts October 16th, 2014 at 14:55
Mine was a CCRN and their pay scale are slightly different…shifts and education etc enter into it too But as a rule unless you are gopee it common knowledge that in the business world the female executive earns $.77 to the males $1. That is fact
Robert M. Snyder October 16th, 2014 at 16:48
If my wife believed that she were only getting paid 77% of her male colleagues who were doing the same job, she would definitely take action. She is no shrinking violet. The employer would not get away with it.
When my wife’s mother was being bilked by an unscrupulous telemarketing firm, and they would only agree to refund half of the charges, my wife contacted our state attorney general and kept following up with them until a better settlement was obtained.
Women can, and do, fight for what is right. They might have been more passive in the 1960’s. But this is the 2010’s, and women don’t put up with that kind of crap like they used to.
So my question is, if your 77% figure is true, how do employers get away with it? Employees talk among themselves. They generally have a pretty good idea of what others are being paid. Sometimes two or more close family members work for the same employer. So there is just no way that an employer could pay females 23% less than males without lots of people knowing about it.
Under our existing laws, any such employer would quickly find themselves dragged into court, a place where no employer wants to go. I just don’t think the 77% figure is plausible. In the 1960’s, yes, definitely. But today? I find it very hard to believe.
rg9rts October 17th, 2014 at 06:47
Ask you son about pay parity…you are beating another dead horse..Please enlighten me and the rest of the planet about when pay parity occurred in the United States.. The Gopee would be screaming from the rooftops about useless legislation that will strangle business
fancypants October 26th, 2014 at 03:48
If your son chose blue collar work with a college degree im afraid its expected he wont be averaging 66k (as you posted above) unless he was involved in an apprentice program prior to graduating ….sorry for the bad news
Robert M. Snyder October 16th, 2014 at 00:00
According to a Sept 2010 story by ABCNEWS:
A growing number of women across the country are upending the conventional wisdom about a gender gap in pay. These women earn 8 percent more on average than their male counterparts, according to a new study of Census data from Reach Advisors, a market research firm.
But there’s a big caveat — the so-called reverse gender gap applies only to women who are unmarried, without children and younger than 30-years-old.
Why are younger women experiencing a sudden reversal of the traditional gender pay gap in the workplace? The answer can be found in any college classroom.
“The more educated you are, the more chances of success you have,” said Stacy Francis, president and founder of Francis Financial. “Women are out-earning men, and a lot of the reason is that we tend to become more educated.”
For every two men who graduate college today, three women do, and college graduates earn almost $30,000 more per year, on average, than high school grads. According to data from the Census Bureau, the average salary for a high school graduate is $37,303, while college graduates earn $66,445 per year on average.
In some cities, the reverse gap is even more pronounced. Young women aren’t just earning more than the guys — they’re clobbering them. In New York, young, unmarried women earn 17 percent more than men. In Los Angeles, they earn 12 percent more, and they enjoy 14 percent more in both Raleigh and Charlotte, N.C.
“In a larger city such as New York and some of the other larger cities, we tend to see that younger women in their 20s to age 30 are very, very career driven and tend to earn quite a bit during that time period,” said Francis.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/reverse-gender-gap-study-young-childless-women-earn/story?id=11538401
arc99 October 16th, 2014 at 00:25
So overall, after a generation with laws on the books mandating equal treatment in the workplace, some women are more successful in the marketplace than their male counterparts. More power to them.
But then according to the same story you cite, much remains to be done.
I am not sure what point you are trying to make by referencing this story, but pointing to the success of some women simply illustrates how the laws passed over the past several decades against workplace discrimination have been a success.
Portraying that success as an indication that nothing more is needed, is like saying that since everybody got a flu shot this year and no one caught the flu, we can skip the shots next year.
Here is another key point in the story you reference.
“”In Wider Population, Pay Gap Remains
Despite the good news for younger women, for those over 30, the gap in pay remains, with women earning 80 cents on average for every dollar that men do.
Robert M. Snyder October 16th, 2014 at 02:58
My son and daughter each have BS degrees. Both graduated with honors. He works full time in a manufacturing environment and she works full time in a healthcare environment. Last year she made 1.5x as much as he did.
A number of my friends and relatives are school teachers. I also know a couple of postal workers. Their salaries are based solely on seniority.
It would be easier to believe the statistics if I knew of a single case in which a female worker was being paid less than a male worker for doing the same work.
I am not saying the statistics are wrong. I am just saying that I do not know whom to believe. I am certainly not worried about my daughter’s earning power.
rg9rts October 16th, 2014 at 04:33
So medicine pays more than manufacturing…stop the presses and tell the world.
Robert M. Snyder October 16th, 2014 at 09:57
“So medicine pays more than manufacturing…”
…because of supply and demand. If there were a surplus of workers qualified to do healthcare jobs, those salaries would go down. If manufacturing design engineers were in short supply, those salaries would go up.
I cannot recall ever having had a conversation with a woman who complained that she was being paid less than her male counterparts for the same work. I hear women complaining about this issue on television. But I never hear it from women I actually know. As I said before, it would be easier to believe the statistics if I personally knew someone who had this experience.
rg9rts October 16th, 2014 at 12:59
Your manufacturing design jobs have been outsourced to India and China eons ago…a wasted education pal
. Should have had some career counseling before peeing away all that $$$$$
Robert M. Snyder October 16th, 2014 at 13:40
But that just underscores the point I am making. Women who enter fields like healthcare are finding jobs and earning good money. Men who enter traditionally male-dominated fields are often having difficulty finding jobs and earning less money. I am just not seeing much evidence to support the claim that women are at a disadvantage in the workplace.
For every three girls who drop out of high school, four boys drop out. For every three women who graduate from college, only two men graduate.
rg9rts October 16th, 2014 at 13:43
Time to stop being sexist… as I said career counseling might have helped…..I would strongly that you don’t tell your daughter or wife that you don’t see pay disparity or it will be a LONG time before you see a cat again
Robert M. Snyder October 16th, 2014 at 14:06
My wife has been an R.N. since 1981. I asked her about this issue this morning. I specifically asked whether she ever heard a female coworker complain about earning less money than a male counterpart for the same job. She thought about it for a few seconds and then said ‘no’. In her current position, everyone in the chain of command is female, including the hospital CEO.
rg9rts October 16th, 2014 at 14:55
Mine was a CCRN and their pay scale are slightly different…shifts and education etc enter into it too But as a rule unless you are gopee it common knowledge that in the business world the female executive earns $.77 to the males $1. That is fact
Robert M. Snyder October 16th, 2014 at 16:48
If my wife believed that she were only getting paid 77% of her male colleagues who were doing the same job, she would definitely take action. She is no shrinking violet. The employer would not get away with it.
When my wife’s mother was being bilked by an unscrupulous telemarketing firm, and they would only agree to refund half of the charges, my wife contacted our state attorney general and kept following up with them until a better settlement was obtained.
Women can, and do, fight for what is right. They might have been more passive in the 1960’s. But this is the 2010’s, and women don’t put up with that kind of crap like they used to.
So my question is, if your 77% figure is true, how do employers get away with it? Employees talk among themselves. They generally have a pretty good idea of what others are being paid. Sometimes two or more close family members work for the same employer. So there is just no way that an employer could pay females 23% less than males without lots of people knowing about it.
Under our existing laws, any such employer would quickly find themselves dragged into court, a place where no employer wants to go. I just don’t think the 77% figure is plausible. In the 1960’s, yes, definitely. But today? I find it very hard to believe.
rg9rts October 17th, 2014 at 06:47
Ask you son about pay parity…you are beating another dead horse..Please enlighten me and the rest of the planet about when pay parity occurred in the United States.. The Gopee would be screaming from the rooftops about useless legislation that will strangle business
fancypants October 26th, 2014 at 03:48
If your son chose blue collar work with a college degree im afraid its expected he wont be averaging 66k (as you posted above) unless he was involved in an apprentice program prior to graduating ….sorry for the bad news
rg9rts October 16th, 2014 at 04:31
Another member of the clown car with his finger on the pulse of America
rg9rts October 16th, 2014 at 04:31
Another member of the clown car with his finger on the pulse of America