Republicans embrace state government – to hobble ‘liberal’ cities
Because FREEDOM!!1! unless it confronts their draconian agenda:
After consolidating power in Washington, D.C. and state capitals under President-elect Donald Trump, Republicans are moving to prevent large cities dominated by Democrats from enacting sweeping liberal agendas.
Republican state legislatures are planning so-called preemption laws, which prevent cities and counties from passing new measures governing everything from taxes to environmental regulations and social issues.
Republican legislators around the country say liberal cities and counties vastly overstepped their bounds by implementing new taxes on sodas and sugary beverages, by raising local minimum wages or through strict new environmental regulations.
“What we see is circumventing the process that’s in place,” said Linda Upmeyer, the Republican speaker of the Iowa state House. “I think we will likely look at language on preemption so that the state is making decisions where it ought to, and cities and counties are making decisions where they should.”Democrats and city officials, however, see the preemption laws as a power grab aimed at limiting local governance in their party’s last bastions of political power — which have become ground zero in the fight to resist Trump.
Preemption laws are nothing new in American history. The Supremacy Clause in the U.S. Constitution makes clear that federal law supersedes state law, and similar clauses in state constitutions give state laws precedence over local laws.
In recent decades, tobacco companies have used preemption laws to overcome local smoking bans, and the National Rifle Association turned to preemption to block cities from implementing new gun control measures.
But in the last four years, after Republicans swept to power in legislatures across the country, the number of issues on which states are asserting their rights has skyrocketed, said Mark Pertschuk, director of the Oakland-based Grassroots Change, which keeps close tabs on preemption legislation. …
Proponents of local control worry that with the incoming Trump administration, even more power will bleed away from cities and counties. The outgoing Obama administration sided with municipal utilities in Chattanooga, Tenn., and Wilson, N.C., when the utilities wanted to expand access to broadband internet services beyond city borders. Republican-led legislatures in both states blocked those efforts, before the Federal Communications Commission stepped in.
Anticipating the number of measures likely to spring up in legislatures in coming months, Pertschuk added: “This is going to be the worst year we’ve ever had.”
Even the controversial HB2 law, passed last year by North Carolina’s Republican-controlled legislature, is a preemption law: It blocked the city of Charlotte from enforcing anti-discrimination measures that were stronger than statewide laws already on the books.
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Buford2k11 January 5th, 2017 at 09:03
Yep…Colorado is no different…Governot Frackenlooper is on the big oil and gas fracking side…he rejected a bill that would let local cities regulate fracking and drilling in their areas…the Koch whores are all smacking their lips in anticipation of a drilling and fracking rush as soon as the snow clears off the mountains…
granpa.usthai January 5th, 2017 at 22:25
don’t see why they don’t just frack mama earth in the snow too.
must be scared that she’ll avalanche their asses?
Budda January 5th, 2017 at 09:07
Seemed to work for a while in North Carolina…
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granpa.usthai January 5th, 2017 at 22:20
hopefully the people of NC, no matter what their religious beliefs, have had enough of the LYING THIEVING christian republicans ruining their state.
Larry Schmitt January 5th, 2017 at 09:34
This is what happens when not enough people come out to vote in the “little” elections. You get republican governors, republican legislatures and republican laws.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 19:06
Well, the Republicans had control of most state legislators before, too.
oldfart January 5th, 2017 at 09:57
All one has to do is look at the election map to understand why big cities are the next obvious step in the republican plan.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 19:06
Yes. It would be a disaster if the cities controlled the nation.
granpa.usthai January 5th, 2017 at 22:17
not nearly as much of a disaster as an orange leader COWARD that’s recalling the old Reagan gang of crooks and liars to once again serve (themselves most amply) the nation’s coffers.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:05
Donald J. Trump will create one of our history’s great presidencies. And if he can cut the bureaucracy, it will get rid of many crooks.
Mensa Member January 5th, 2017 at 10:03
We liberal cities have been subsidizing Red State failures for decades.
It’s time for a tax revolt.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 19:05
The highly successful in the cities pay the taxes.
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 21:05
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFsK6KHxvKk
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:04
More “cartoons.”
granpa.usthai January 5th, 2017 at 22:15
1. define success.
2. define ‘pay the taxes”
3. prove that they have ACTUALLY PAID a damn penny
(reference the “genius” of trump) who was ACTUALLY paid about $1,000,000,000.00 for being so “successful” at losing about $1,000,000,000.00 in failed real estate ventures that left some small companies with employees holding the bag on millions and millions in UNPAID bills.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:03
NYC is a perfect example of Leftism: The incredibly wealthy pay huge taxes, and the “income gap” about which Left-wingers caterwaul is incredible, enormous. In NYC, it is like a third-world nation.
granpa.usthai January 5th, 2017 at 22:07
“liberal cities” could always slow down the national trading with little road checks, etc.
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 12:10
Here in Missouri they just elected a Republican Governor and now have a super majority in the legislature..
First on the agenda is so called “right to work”, (anti-union) law as a pay back to the mega million dollor donors who got this idiot elected.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yf2Gai1uQYM
They are gonna turn us into Kansas…
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 19:05
Yes. All states should have Right-to-Work legislation. It is about liberty.
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 19:38
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GfF6E88ZfSk/URvyIoXxpEI/AAAAAAAAABw/Svvszs9zxHM/s1600/VA+Let-Them-Eat-Jell-518519.jpg
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 19:49
Yes. How is RTW legislation NOT about liberty? I know you can find cute little cut and pastes and pictures, but how is it not about liberty?
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 20:18
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSbPqin3L6E
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 20:21
Aaaah! Another “cut and paste” person who is adept at searching the internet for cute little pictures and clips.
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 20:47
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcBKId4l6LA
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 20:53
Another mindless C&P
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 21:27
That’s it. Complain about all the ways that the internet provides to ridicule the hilarious crapola you spew. Why don’t we spend the time and effort to create new movies and graphics just to laugh at you? Well, there are more pleasant ways to spend our time… root canals, colonoscopies, dermabrasion…
You don’t reply with facts, so you whine, bloviate, and generally troll it up the world’s made of bridges.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:02
I just “spewed” facts, data, solid information.
You are unable to refute the other fact, too: About unions being able to form in non-RTW states. You can’t, can you? You just engage in middle-school playground quips.
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 23:26
As usual, you claim you provide facts. Show me these facts. Your link doesn’t support your “claims” so facts seem to be in short supply on your end. But thanks for playing “how to act like a troll by talking outta my tuches.” You take first prize.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:29
It does. Unions contribute HUGE amounts, and unions are pro-democrat. Along with the hater of America, George Soros.
We should have right-to-work laws because otherwise, the unions force people to pay part of their incomes to the unions and part of that is used to get Left-wingers into public office. It is hideous, against basic rights, unfair.
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 23:56
You said teachers unions were the TOP contributors. You failed to prove it. Whether or not unions contribute in ANY amount, unless they are TEACHERS unions and the contribute the MOST, your point is debunked.
granpa.usthai January 5th, 2017 at 22:04
a true patriot of the BETRAYED Republic who knows how to get his viewpoint across with humor!
alas, the good old days when the people were allowed to laugh at the plundering of their nation by GREEDY BS B Rated actors and con men.
granpa.usthai January 5th, 2017 at 22:00
how is cute little cut and paste and pictures to express one’s viewpoints not about liberty?
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 22:59
They are just put together by some hack, based on some emotions. I just presented solid facts about unions and political campaigns. But you go ahead and encourage the posting of cartoons.
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 20:11
I remember your other brilliant insights like this:
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RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 20:17
You seem to be good at putting up cute little pictures.
But can you provide a rationale for what you assert?
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 20:29
That you are fulla crap. Yeah, my rationale is that I have read the ridiculous things you post, the logical fallacies you employ, the “it’s true cuz I say so” arguments, the total lack of FACT you are able to present.
My rationale is that if you have continuously posted fact-free crap and BS arguments, you can pretty much assume that any specific post by you is so much bovine fecal matter.
Right to work isn’t about freedom. It’s pro-business and anti-worker. It’s “I don’t wanna have to pay for what I get.” Freeloading, in other words. It’s “I think the middle class is just TOO big.” It drives down wages, increases inequality, deliberately assaults unions. People who think RTW laws are about freedom are either intensely ignorant, or lying their asses off for their benefit at the workers expense.
But, honestly, I wouldn’t expect an intrepid reporter like yourself to understand complexities like reality. Another example of that incisive and investigative mind of yours:
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RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 20:34
You are still doing the same thing, and blurting out emotions as “rationales.” You presented absolutely nothing of any substance.
Right to Work laws are decided by legislatures through a deliberative process. The legislators are elected by the PEOPLE of the respective states. Therefore, RTW laws are actually determined by the people, and how can one be against that if one is not for liberty?
Next, there is a lie that accompanies the anti-RTW rhetoric, and it is often implicit. The LIE is that in a RTW state, there are not unions. That is a myth: Unions can be formed. It is just that employees cannot be FORCED to pay union dues or join. How is that not “liberty?”
CAN YOU ANSWER – RATIONALLY – any of those questions? Or will you put up more cartoons?
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 20:50
” Therefore, RTW laws are actually determined by the people, and how can one be against that if one is not for liberty?”
http://www.upworthy.com/20-years-of-data-reveals-that-congress-doesnt-care-what-you-think
“Professors Martin Gilens of Princeton University and Benjamin Page of Northwestern University looked at more than 20 years of data to answer a pretty simple question: Does the government represent the people?”
“If there’s one thing that still reliably gets politicians’ attention, it’s money. While the opinions of the bottom 90% of income earners in America have a “statistically non-significant impact,” Gilens and Page found that economic elites, business interests, and people who can afford lobbyists still carry major influence.”
Statistics prove that laws are determined by the “elite” and not the “people.” If the opinions and preferences of 90% of the population carries no weight, claims the people are determining those laws is disingenuous if I want to be generous, an outright lie if I want to be accurate.
Now it’s your turn: show me how ignoring what 90% of the population is the “will of the people.” But, like Kreskin, I will make a prediction: you will not provide sites, cites, data, or anything but blather in response because that is the ONLY thing you have done in any conversation I have ever seen you engaged in. As trolls go, you carry an especially large load of not-Shinola.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 20:57
Donald J. Trump proved otherwise.
The people can control the legislators, far, far more than these “special interests” can. Hey, how the …. do you think that they get elected? Focus on that word, pal: ELECTED. Sure, “evil corporations” can try to influence them AFTER they are in office, and give money (teacher unions are the most notorious, by the way, giving by FAR the most money, which PROVES you are wrong about RTW laws, buddy), but they can’t get the money or influence if they don’t get into office.
But look at it another way: You actually believe that codswallop, and that means the people have no control. Therefore, you would probably choose the typical Leftist way: Take it out of the hands of the people and give it to justices.
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 21:10
I called it. No cites, sites, data… just more claims without any backing, support, reality. Thanks for proving my point. Here’s more of your brilliant work in showing reality in YOUR world:
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RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 22:57
I always have information. I draw my solid conclusions from good information. I know you will dream up some excuse to reject the facts, but I want to see you do it in front of everyone here.
The BIGGEST campaign contributors are unions, by far.
Take a look-see:
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php
You will see that of the top 25 donors, 13 are unions. And every union – without a single exception – donates overwhelmingly to Democrats! Of the remaining 12 top 25 contributors, 16% donate to Republicans and 12% are mixed; 20% donate to Democrats. So, among the top 25 donors to political campaigns, 72% go Democrat, and only 16% go Republican (12% are mixed). And, among that top 72% that donate to Democrats, 72% of them are unions.
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 23:09
That’s HYSTERICAL.
Your cite on that site says that the #1 contributor is Fahr LLC, who gives MORE than the top 3 unions on your list. You said that TEACHERS unions were the biggest contributors by FAR. Your link shows that to be a bald-faced lie. Or incredibly ignorant. NONE of the top *10* contributors is a teachers union.
You should try dealing with facts more often, because you are really BAD at it. Your link disproves your own statements. You say that of the top 25 donors, 13 are unions. Again, your OWN link shows 21 companies, 4 unions. #10, 11, 16, 23. In THIS world, that’s 4. In YOUR world, that’s 13? Really bad at that fact thing. Counting. Reading. Comprehending.
I will say, it is quite polite of you to debunk yourself. But it really highlights your incompetence.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:13
No, I said unions. And within unions, teacher unions are the biggest. And note to which group Fahr donates: It ain’t Republicans, pal.
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 23:19
“…teacher unions are the most notorious, by the way, giving by FAR the most money…”
“No, I said unions.”
You lie, and very poorly at that. Your own words PROVE you lie.
Additionally, even IF you said “unions,” there’s still only 4 unions in the top 25. So you lie about the number while linking to the list that proves you lied.
It doesn’t matter who Fahr donates to, because that wasn’t part of your statement. You were talking dollars, not recipients. So THAT is just deflection from your obvious lies.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:23
The last time I looked, it was teacher unions. Must have changed with this election where Donald J. Trump, the US Senate, the US congress, state governors, state houses, state senates went pro-American.
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 23:35
Last time you made it up. Please, show us WHEN teachers union gave more than ANYBODY. Like everything else you claim, you can’t back it up.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:37
I see. You support the position that people should have to pay union fees and it is perfectly fine for a portion of their incomes go to supporting Democrat candidates. You are against liberty, you are an ideologue, you are intolerant.
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 23:44
Deflection. Strawman argument. Singular lack of evidence that teachers unions EVER were the top lobbying spender as you assert. I present facts, I deal in facts, I believe facts. That’s the opposite of an ideologue. I denounce ignorance and lies. If that makes me intolerant, then so be it.
You don’t present facts. You make statements and are categorically unable to defend them. You use deflection and logical fallacies and lies to deflect from the reality that you are intolerant of facts. By the definition of the word “ideologue,” you are being self-referential.
And to suggest that liberty and union are mutually exclusive is pure unadulterated bull puckey. Now THAT is where you excel.
RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 00:01
Now you are lying. And you are intolerant. Impervious to concepts, too.
bpollen January 6th, 2017 at 00:04
Projection too! Wow, it’s like the troll trifecta. Since you can’t engage in honest argument, use all the troll tactics, and blatantly lie, until you can prove your point, we go back to the pretty pictures, because they seem much more believable:
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RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 00:39
I only ask for a rationale against RTW laws. You do not seem able to do it.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:17
I did the analysis from last year. Look at the top 10: Of about $400 million, unions contribute 20%. And it is consistent: Almost 100% Leftist.
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 23:23
Again, your link was to 2016, and your conclusions are idiotic. The unions you blamed were teachers unions. Changing goalposts – troll tactic.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:24
Unions are anti-American today. They do not care about the American people but only their own pockets. This is especially deplorable with education, because the unions care nothing about the children in our nation.
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 23:33
fact free, that is thee
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:35
You are not too bright. You have not presented a rationale for not having right to work laws. You only want to engage in childish insulting.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:18
Your America-hating hero is there, George Soros, #9 on the list, giving to Liberals.
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 23:19
Irrelevant. You said teachers unions gave the most. Deflection doesn’t disprove your lies.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:25
I stand corrected. I showed you the change.
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 23:32
What change? Did the Teachers Unions become #1 on 2014, 2015, 2016?
You are just talking nonsense. Per usual.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:33
Unions, and teacher unions, are HUGE donators, a substantial presence among the top dozen. You make a fool of yourself playing word games and persnickety.
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 23:47
How do you play persnickety?
Read your own link. Shows you are incorrect.
RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 00:02
Word games, and refusal to deal with main ideas.
bpollen January 6th, 2017 at 00:07
Your own link proves you wrong. How’s that for dealing with main ideas?
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RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 00:38
I await a rationale.
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 21:16
Oh, yeah, your claim about teachers union giving by FAR the most money, in 2012, teachers unions spent $19 million on lobbying. The Chamber of Commerce spent $79 million that same year. Facts, those things you never present in ANY post you ever make, prove your claim wrong.
And again, I predict any response will be FACT-FREE. No cites, no sites, no actual verifiable data. Thanks in advance for proving me right.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 22:50
The teachers’ unions gave the MOST – far more than any “evil corporation,” to candidates during elections. Repeat: Far more.
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 23:10
Not true. Again, no evidence presented, just fact-free declarative statements. The ONLY way you play.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:19
Data. Truth. Not cartoons.
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 23:37
You can look at the pretty pictures. Nobody can see your data or truth.
Which is more tangible? Something that can be seen, or something that can’t even be perceived?
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 21:20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8K3ZujTDILc
granpa.usthai January 5th, 2017 at 21:59
MONEY is definitely it in America. I say it’s past time the American peoples took off the chains of economic enslavement BS the RWT keeps pandering out and get greedy as hell!
the ONLY way to defeat the greatest GREED is with ….
GREATER GREED!
and if the corporation money grubbers don’t like it, let ’em leave!
WTF will sit back on their asses and watch the new government of trump (founded in GREED) hand them nothing while rewarding the likes of a fast talking blowhard lying BS newtonian snake oil salesman POS who will have raped and pillaged this nation for a third time in my lifetime with big fat government paychecks, and all the tax dollars they can hide in offshore bank accounts?
better to see their asses stripped down to pink panties and shipped off to DPRK in the dead of winter as surplus potatoe farmers I say!
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 21:22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsMR_eH7KQ4
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 22:50
More results from Google searches of “cartoons.”
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 23:17
I have no idea how old you are…
Not even gonna guess..
But if you dont know the difference between cartoon and a music video…
Mic drop.
granpa.usthai January 5th, 2017 at 21:48
then why did POTUS Reagan bust the ATC union, and sell out all the manufacturing bases that had huge populations of happy union workers to China?
URA typical full of –it! WRT sap, just as others here have noted.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:10
The ATC union people broke their contracts, their pledges. And the great Ronald Reagan gave the union thugs plenty of warning, and they mistakenly thought that he was bluffing.
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 21:13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G39PstkDnw
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 22:49
Another cartoon.
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 23:08
You just keep asking for it…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mw_0_sNiwlw
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:08
Now, the poster is debasing himself.
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 23:13
OK lets dance…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W-d9nK9OGM
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 23:14
Did you say “Debaser”?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL0BSehVg_E
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X9E9n6GHC8
bpollen January 6th, 2017 at 00:10
Geez, cut and paste job from the internet.
You are hereby presented with this award:
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RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 00:38
Show my “hypocrisy” in a rationale against right to work legislation.
bpollen January 6th, 2017 at 00:59
Done.
Now about that “mistake” you kept pushing… that lie you kept promoting… that bullshite you kept spewing… What was that again? “My link disproves my claim that teachers unions are the BIGGEST? Uhhh… it’s true it’s true! No, it’s a mistake. You’re afraid! ”
Now show me how making unions represent people for free enhances the liberty of union members. You claim, you back it up. Of course, you’ll lie… or maybe it will be a “mistake.”
RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 01:16
No. Show me a rationale for being against the RTW legislation.
Obewon January 5th, 2017 at 20:13
Neoclowns are so functionally illiterate you remain clueless.
$15/hr minimum wage expands local GDP by increased disposable income.
$15/hr minimum wage shrinks corporate welfare queen pillage by Wal*mart, et al.
$15/hr minimum wage exempts teenagers, training wages, farmworkers & small companies.
If YOU can’t afford to pay a measly $15/hr wage, you’re not in business.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 20:20
The minimum wage should be eliminated, of course. It is silly to think that it “stimulates” the economy, and there is a basic, major flaw in the idea that it does. All it does is stimulate a limited sector of the economy and hurt others – overall hurting the economy.
Walmart does not use welfare. Some of the leeches who work there do, however. If they are working, they should never apply for things like food stamps. They should not expect the public to pay for their cable hookups, flat-screen TV, internet connection, and so on.
Obewon January 5th, 2017 at 20:24
You’re greedy, insane and a shortsighted fool. Move to your libertarian paradise: Somalia! Broke airheads like you never win.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 20:25
It is not “Somalia” and I ain’t a “Libertarian,” either. I am the one who is “longsighted.” You minimum wage people are the shortsighted ones. And illogical.
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 20:57
Libertarian paradise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saWCZVggQAs
granpa.usthai January 5th, 2017 at 21:42
I think he’s just trying to get an early jump on the new government of trump, which is founded in GREED!
that’s why I fully support an appropriate pay for military personnel that places them at the very top of the GREED REWARDS list.
no doubt the wrong thinking one will balk at that also, but
WTF!
“self reliance” means get all you can for yourself first, right?
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 22:49
Donald J. Trump’s government is founded on love of nation. Hillary would have been founded on globalism and power. Obama’s was founded on his “redeeming” America, racial discord and open borders.
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 23:02
Now that is funny!
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:06
No, what Hillary and Obama did was sad.
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 21:09
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJCKwqyR7KY
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 22:48
Another “respond-by-cartoon.”
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 21:28
“It is silly to think that it “stimulates” the economy…”
Was that a FACT????
Hahahahaha. I kid. Of course it wasn’t. Thinking that would be silly.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 22:48
It does not stimulate the economy. There is a basic flaw in that idea. A fundamental, easy-to-spot, simple and essential flaw that renders that idea impossible.
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 23:00
As I said, no sites, cites, or facts. Just declarative statements. Those that CAN support their contentions, do. Those that CAN’T? They talk much, say little, prove nothing.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:06
Just. Just mindless parroting of what they are SUPPOSED to think and say.
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 23:25
Now you are “just” rambling, “just” talking nonsense, “just” lying.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:26
No, I proved my statements, of course.
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 23:30
But your proof debunked your statements. Nice try, but a big fail.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:32
You have been shown to have a closed mind, and unable to read with comprehension.
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 23:49
Heheheh. Because I want you to defend your pronouncements, I have a closed mind. Because I don’t believe your statements that fly in the face of facts, I am unable to read with comprehension.
So much easier to just make claims about my character than actually back up your self-debunked claim, isn’t it?
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:27
Here is from 2014.
http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php?cycle=2014
Note the difference.
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 23:30
You said you did your figgering for one. Now you are data shopping.
The top donor is AGAIN Fahr, and the teachers union contributes 38% as much as the TOP donor. Even with data shopping, your “Teachers users by FAR are the biggest” is still a lie.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:31
No. I showed you the 2014. For the 3rd time, pal, I said I had not checked, and the main point stays about unions. Are you denying that they are among the TOP contributors? How old are you?
bpollen January 5th, 2017 at 23:54
2008, 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016… in NONE of those years are teachers unions the biggest contributors. And you said THE TOP CONTRIBUTOR, so this bs about “are you denying they are AMONG the top contributors” is just another strawman argument.
You said top. Your link disproves it. Relitigate it all you want, but your statement is in black and white up the page. Changing goalposts is a sign that you are failing at proving your point. And you have failed.
RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 00:04
Your inability to provide a rationale for not having RTW laws reveals everything about you.
Four times I asked for a rationale. You are not capable of providing it.
bpollen January 6th, 2017 at 00:06
I gave you one. You just don’t accept it. Where’s that teachers union proof you promised?
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https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2b7e897d28f350a7eb79f22b27be12d81970db1665d39b13c1d0a86df7fb5b69.jpg
RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 00:11
You never provided any rationale for being against RTW legislation. You never have. You are incapable of it.
RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 00:13
Can’t type fast, can ya? LOL
bpollen January 6th, 2017 at 00:14
Lie. My rationale is that you lie, and present statements you can’t back up. So, whatever you say in support of them can be dismissed out of hand. Ergo, if you are for it, it’s bad.
I also debunked your claim that it was an example of the “will of the people” that these laws are passed because people vote.
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I loved this expose of yours:
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https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e313b0b967981187515d73d2d17f276bf05d5a8fd10232a4282e962e774a8faa.jpg
RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 00:15
Just exactly as I thought. You are incapable of providing a rationale against RTW laws. You are not capable.
bpollen January 6th, 2017 at 00:17
Still waiting for that teachers union proof. Deflection and name calling doesn’t really cut it. Are you not capable of proving your claims?
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https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/08f6663bce8e73645d56c016a692a63f6db5746190509cfe5c33b7c866520b0c.jpg
RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 00:35
You have shown that you are not capable of providing a rationale. You are dishonest because I admitted I made a mistake by referring to previous data, but you are a nag, too. Instead of going beyond that and providing a rationale, you start your middle-school petulant whining.
bpollen January 6th, 2017 at 00:39
You have provided NOTHING that proves your point. Yet you continue to blow smoke and claim you have. I will provide a rationale when you prove you ain’t lying.
RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 00:42
I did. Unions donate HUGE amounts, and teacher unions are among those. My initial statement was a mistake, based on the information from at least a year ago.
I admit to the mistake. I have the guts. But you are a coward: You will not provide a rationale.
bpollen January 6th, 2017 at 00:53
You said teachers unions. That was the point. You lied (now you claim it was a mistake) and deflected like crazy. The issue was never you claiming shite about UNIONS, but about TEACHERS UNIONS. You provided a link that proved it a lie or you as incompetent.
I gave you a rationale. I reiterated that rationale. You claim I am afraid and am a liar and am all these other negative things.
You lied. You got caught. You lied again about “rationale.” You got caught.
As usual, you don’t prove your points, you attack others for asking for any evidence to back up what you say, you deflect, you engage in logical fallacies, you speed-post nonsense for no apparent reason OTHER than to be a dink, and generally waste pixels.
Now you can call me afraid, incapable, intolerant, ideologue, whatever you can project… I’ll respond if you can PROVE that RTW is about liberty. That’s all you gotta do to show that *I* am the fool and you aren’t a troll. Show how paying for representation denies liberty and freeloading enhances liberty. Anything short of proof is just more mouth music from the PretentiousNamedOne.
RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 01:16
I admitted my mistake, 12 times. You are only like a spoiled child, petulant and stamping his foot. You cannot provide a rationale. It requires some thought. You are not capable. You will continue to post pictures and nag.
RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 01:13
I admitted to a mistake. You are afraid. You are dishonest. You will be shown that you cannot provide any cogent rationale. Anyone who reads these will see that.
RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 01:12
You are not capable of providing a rationale.
RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 00:12
I see you are typing. I will bet you will play some word game and not show any rationale. Let’s see…
bpollen January 6th, 2017 at 00:15
To just being a dink. Progress I guess.
RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 00:36
Provide a rationale if you are capable. You are not. You use excuses.
bpollen January 6th, 2017 at 00:38
Still waiting for that teachers union proof. Rationale can wait until after you prove you ain’t lying.
RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 00:39
You are using excuses not to provide a rationale. Because you are not able.
bpollen January 6th, 2017 at 00:43
I did. You refuse repeatedly to accept it. It provides for those unions you say can STILL form to give their services for free to those who don’t feel like paying for it. That’s not liberty.
Now, where’s that proof on teachers unions? The deflections get tiresome.
RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 01:15
You never provided any rationale. Simply proclaiming – without evidence – that lobbyists influence in some vague way that you never describe is not only immature and silly, but it is not a rationale for being against RTW legislation. You are not able to provide it.
RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 00:13
Come on, come on.
bpollen January 6th, 2017 at 00:15
We’ve gone from telling stories and lies…
RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 00:36
Provide a rationale.
bpollen January 6th, 2017 at 00:38
About that union claim.
RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 00:40
I already dealt with that. You are revealing your dishonesty, used to cover your inability to provide a rationale.
RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 00:14
Hurry. I want to see the middle-school quip!
bpollen January 6th, 2017 at 00:15
Yes you are.
RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 00:37
I am waiting for a rationale. I have heard rationales from many other people on other sites. But you are not capable of mustering up even an attempt. You either are completely incapable, or you know I will pulverize any one of your rationales because you are not able to post anything reasonable.
bpollen January 6th, 2017 at 00:38
Prove your union claim.
RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 00:41
I already told you I made a mistake. Seven times.
Now, provide the rationale. You are not able. I know the reason.
RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 00:14
How many fingers do you have?
bpollen January 6th, 2017 at 00:15
Are you trolling?
RightThinkingOne January 6th, 2017 at 00:41
You are afraid to try to provide a rationale. Afraid.
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 20:56
RTO is lonely…
He needs attention..
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 20:19
Do not open your mouth until you hear the sound of my zipper…
Got it?
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 20:21
And the poster resorts to what he used to do on the middle-school playground.
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 20:48
You must be lonely tonight…
go somewhere else and bother them…
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 20:53
And the poster continues the middle-school quips….
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 20:54
Stop tapping me on the shoulder..
I do not want do dance with you…(loser)
No means No~!
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 20:59
Translation: I, Stoney, am not able to offer any kind of rejoinder. I, Stoney, can only cut and paste cartoons in response. I, Stoney, am stamping my foot and pouting because you are not accepting my cartoons as something of meaning or importance. WAAAAAH!
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 21:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfy9ZqKUJjU
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 21:16
I said..
No means No…
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 22:44
OK, nothing but cartoons. I did not expect anything else.
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 22:47
Still lonely?…
looking for friends?
Try Grinder…(I swing, but I don’t swing your way)
Shut up and listen to the music I posted.
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 22:48
No means no…
Suzanne McFly January 5th, 2017 at 21:29
You may want to remove this old buzzards teeth first, he may think he is getting a free meal lol.
granpa.usthai January 5th, 2017 at 21:36
it’s about use and abuse
URA dumbass.
in NC an injured worker has the ‘right’ to sign a legal document that won’t tell them what they are signing.
if you can honestly sit there and tell me you would be willing to if so ordered by a crooked LYING THIEVING christian governor, you’re either lying out your yazoo or…. (ref. above 2nd remark).
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 22:45
You do not understand what Right to Work legislation is. I explained to the other person. Please read it. Many people are misinformed. Non-RTW is discriminatory, unjust, and against Liberty.
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 23:00
You need a girlfriend…
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:07
middle-school playground again. (MSP)
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 23:22
Call your mother…
she wants to know why her little boy doesn’t talk to her every day…
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:26
MSP
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 23:29
Enjoy the music…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHC9HE7vazI
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:30
msp
granpa.usthai January 5th, 2017 at 21:31
the LYING THIEVING republican christian governor of NC tried to overturn HB2 that he had SIGNED and ran a good bit of his losing re-election campaign on ` “not on my watch”.
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 22:46
There should not be laws that capitulate to males who are delusional and think that they are women.
StoneyCurtisll January 5th, 2017 at 22:59
Lets all take a look at the lonely right wing commentator…
I will refer to him as RTO..
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I have nothing to add, I will allow him to display his own foolishness…
However I will toss up a song/video in response to his insipid comments…
(I like to play along)
RightThinkingOne January 5th, 2017 at 23:07
MSP
bpollen January 6th, 2017 at 01:01
Ahh… Minneapolis/St. Paul. A lovely twin city!