39% of Trump voters want to punish women for abortions
And that’s just the beginning.
Click here for reuse options!A full 60 percent of those polled said abortion should be illegal; 18 percent of all the poll’s Trump voters said it should be illegal without exceptions for rape, incest, or to save a pregnant woman’s life.
The poll, conducted by the Glover Park Group and Morning Consult earlier this month, indicates that a large chunk of Trump voters may take a harder-line stance on legal abortion than the mainstream anti-abortion movement would have laypeople believe.
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Suzanne McFly December 20th, 2016 at 18:26
I wonder what the percentage is for those in that group who had gotten one or paid for their significant other to get an abortion? I would bet it is higher than 50%, constant hypocrites. At least they are consistent if you value that.
whatthe46 December 20th, 2016 at 18:56
i wonder how many have children they don’t support.
Dwendt44 December 20th, 2016 at 18:35
Of course they are talking about the poor and lower middle class women. The rich will skate as usual and the upper middle class will as well with a good lawyer at least and a better chance of keeping thinks on the down low.
whatthe46 December 20th, 2016 at 18:56
they will get their abortions even if it means flying out of the country.
amersham1046 December 20th, 2016 at 18:37
I do wonder if these people realize that it is 2016
whatthe46 December 20th, 2016 at 18:54
these are the same asses that vote repuke that wants to end healthcare. hey, doesn’t healthcare insurance cover pregnant women?
nola878 December 20th, 2016 at 19:13
They’re against abortions unless it’s someone close to them.
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Robert M. Snyder December 20th, 2016 at 20:32
This is a prime example of Fake News. The Glover Park Group is not a polling organization. It is an advocacy group.
“The Glover Park Group was founded in June 2001 by Michael Feldman, Carter Eskew, Joe Lockhart and Chip Smith. The founders had served as officials in the Clinton White House and on the presidential campaign of former vice president Al Gore. Lockhart was the former press secretary to Bill Clinton and Feldman had worked in the White House for Gore. Eskew and Smith had worked on Gore’s campaign staff for the 2000 presidential election as his chief strategist and deputy campaign manager, respectively. Eskew and Lockhart both had experience at a public affairs advocacy company. Initially the company focused on providing integrated campaign services to corporate clients, foundations and special-interest groups.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Glover_Park_Group
Nobody on the Left would believe a poll conducted by a right-wing advocacy group. If you believe this poll, you’re drinking the Kool-Aid.
arc99 December 20th, 2016 at 20:47
Regardless of political leaning, I would trust that a poll conducted by an organization using standardized objective methodology has faithfully reported the results of those who were sampled.
The fact is, this was an online poll subject to the usual caveats about online polls and not randomly sampled participants.
My trust in a poll would be based on my own evaluation of their polling techniques, methods and prior record for accuracy. My trust would not be based on knee-jerk distrust based on differing politics. We will have more than enough of that when Dear Leader Trump is sworn in.
There is no more prominent right wing advocacy group than News Corp’s Wall St Journal. I trust their polls as much as anyone. Please do not presume to speak for this leftist as to which polls I trust, which ones I do not trust, and my reasons for those opinions.
Robert M. Snyder December 20th, 2016 at 23:25
Have you see the actual list of questions asked in the poll? Do you know how the people were selected who took the poll? Trust, but verify.
arc99 December 20th, 2016 at 20:59
The candidate himself advocated punishing women but later retracted the remarks.
Regardless of the leanings of the organization that conducted the poll, it is hardly surprising and definitely not “Fake News” to find that a majority of people who supported a political candidate agree with that candidate’s publicly expressed view.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/31/us/politics/donald-trump-abortion.html
Donald Trump, Abortion Foe, Eyes ‘Punishment’ for Women, Then Recants
Lyndia December 21st, 2016 at 01:25
I remember when trump said that but then changed. Need I remind you, children and babies get pregnant, too. A baby, is between the ages of 9-12. They are usually the victim of rape or incest. I had a baby at the age of 15, that I was FORCED TO HAVE. I still consider it cruel and unusual punishment.
arc99 December 20th, 2016 at 21:28
An anecdote from the Kool Aid punch bowl. Women’s concerns on this are real. Would be nice if some of that righteous indignation of yours were directed at the authorities in Tennessee.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/11/17/tennessee_woman_charged_with_three_felonies_for_coat_hanger_abortion.html
A Tennessee woman has been charged with three felonies for attempting to induce an abortion at 24 weeks of pregnancy. Since December, 32-year-old Anna Yocca has sat in jail, after being arrested for using a coat hanger to try to terminate her pregnancy in September 2015.
Robert M. Snyder December 20th, 2016 at 23:10
I just got a call about two hours ago from my daughter. One of her best friends from high school delivered a preemie at 23 weeks gestation. It lived for nine days, and died today. Everybody who knew this girl was hoping that the baby would live and be healthy. But most of us probably weren’t too surprised when the news came this evening. And if the baby was going to have a life of suffering, then my personal opinion is that it is probably better that the baby passed away.
I am not a hard-liner on abortion. I am looking for the middle ground. At one extreme, we have people who want to ban birth control and the morning after pill. I think that is ridiculous. At the other extreme, we have people who want unrestricted abortion on demand up until the moment of birth, even when the mother and baby are perfectly healthy. I struggle to see a distinction between that practice and infanticide.
So in my opinion, society needs to strike a middle ground. I think most people would agree that when the life of the mother is at risk, a termination is acceptable at any stage of development. And I think that most people really aren’t too concerned about early-term abortions.
But when we are talking about a 24-week pregnancy, reasonable people can disagree. I don’t know where I would draw the line. Maybe we shouldn’t think in terms of hard lines. A person doesn’t become a person all at once. It takes nine months, more or less. It seems to me that as the pregnancy progresses, the restrictions should gradually increase. In the first trimester, I would not object to abortion on demand. In the third trimester, I think there needs to be a pretty damned good reason to abort a healthy baby that is not threatening the life of the mother.
Regardless of what the law says, whenever any person violates any law, there have to be consequences. Otherwise, the law has no effect. So if a particular jurisdiction makes abortion illegal under certain circumstances, and someone violates that law, then that person should absolutely be punished. This is a completely separate issue from abortion. This is the issue of whether laws should be enforced. Reasonable people can disagree about the circumstances under which abortion should be permitted. But it is not reasonable to advocate that a law should not be enforced.
Lyndia December 21st, 2016 at 01:20
What woman want to get an abortion in the 9th month? That is crazy, and sounds like something an idiot would endorse. Additionally, have YOU had a baby lately?
Robert M. Snyder December 21st, 2016 at 01:45
I’m guessing that abortions in the ninth month are exceedingly rare, but then so too is infanticide. Just because something is rare doesn’t mean it should be allowed.
Only 16% of abortion providers perform the procedure at 24 weeks. I’m not sure why the other 84% do not. Some may be in states where it is not allowed. Others may have ethical concerns about late-term (after viability) abortions.
This is probably rare, but I can see an overweight teenager hiding her pregnancy from her parents until she is in the third trimester, and then her parents desperately search for an abortion provider who will terminate the pregnancy.
According to Guttmacher:
“Forty-six percent of abortion providers offer very early abortions (before the first missed period), and 95% offer abortion at eight weeks from the last menstrual period. Sixty-one percent of providers offer at least some second-trimester abortion services (at 13 weeks or later), and 34% offer abortion at 20 weeks. Only 16% of all abortion providers perform the procedure at 24 weeks.”
https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-united-states?gclid=CPOa_9XVhNECFQpWDQodN7IGyw
whatthe46 December 21st, 2016 at 04:02
“I’m guessing that abortions in the ninth month are exceedingly rare, but
then so too is infanticide. Just because something is rare doesn’t mean
it should be allowed.” who in the fk has had an abortion in the 9th month? who? forget that it isn’t allowed, it was never an issue because it doesn’t happen. and someone women don’t even know they are pregnant until they are 8weeks. infanticide usually happens when mother kills their newborn when they get home it’s, for the most part, called postartum stress disorder. the DOCTOR DOESN’T PERFORM IT!
whatthe46 December 21st, 2016 at 04:04
so, tell me how you give a damn about children after they are born when you support the GOP hypocritical asses who doesn’t give a damn, when they poison them. or let them die in jail cells.
Bunya December 21st, 2016 at 13:53
“… but I can see an overweight teenager hiding her pregnancy from her parents until she is in the third trimester…”
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So what? I don’t understand how that is any of your business.
I have an idea. If the Trumpster wants to overturn Rove v. Wade, I suggest it become law that all the boys/men who impregnate these girls/women be FORCED to pay child support. If the father is under age, force the parents of the baby’s father to pay. If the fathers or grandfathers can’t pay child support, castrate them. It seems to me the only people being punished for the natural act of procreation are the women. Maybe we should make the men pay for their mistake.
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Better yet, churches who push the anti-choice agenda, should be taxed. And that tax money will go to support those women who were convinced to give birth. If churches are forced to part with their money, you’ll see how fast they become pro-choice.
Robert M. Snyder December 21st, 2016 at 16:22
If you witnessed a woman preparing to kill her newborn infant, would you take any action to prevent it?
Bunya December 21st, 2016 at 16:26
If a woman was preparing to kill a living, breathing human being, then yes. I would try and stop her. I’m talking about people who are already outside the womb. Fetuses, zygotes and blastocytes are NOT babies.
Robert M. Snyder December 21st, 2016 at 16:51
What gives you the right to interfere with a woman who is trying to kill her newborn baby? Suppose that she had scheduled an abortion for Monday morning, but on Sunday night she went into labor and delivered the baby. The baby was going to be killed by a doctor on Monday anyway. So why would it be wrong for the mother to kill it herself on Monday morning? Why do you suddenly care about this baby just because it happened to emerge from the womb?
When you say that the fetus is not a living, breathing human being until the moment it is born, you are making a *legal* distinction, not a *scientific* distinction. Anyone who understands Biology knows that there is very little physical difference between an 8-month fetus and a newborn baby.
Technically, a baby in the womb is not “breathing”, but neither is a patient on a respirator who has had a spinal block or a cervical spinal injury. Does a person have no value just because they need assistance with respiration?
Suppose that two women become pregnant on the same day, and one gives birth a month early. There is no biological difference between the two babies. They are both at the same stage of development. If the preemie is a living human being, then the other baby is also a living human being.
Science tells us that humans come into existence gradually. A cluster of cells gradually becomes a human being. The further along a pregnancy progresses, the more people think of the fetus as a human person. You are asking people to forget what they know about Science and accept a legal definition which completely denies the humanity of the baby until the moment that it is born. That is about as anti-science as it gets.
Bunya December 21st, 2016 at 17:05
What gives YOU the right to dictate to women what they should do with their bodies? If a woman (or girl) is beaten, gang raped and impregnated, you are so heartless that you’d DEMAND she carry the fetus to term. That is cruel and anybody who hates women that much shouldn’t reproduce.
Robert M. Snyder December 21st, 2016 at 18:20
“What gives YOU the right to dictate to women what they should do with their bodies?”
You have already said that you would act to save a newborn. A premature baby born at 8 months is biologically identical to an 8-month fetus. If you feel a sense of responsibility toward a newborn 8-month preemie, then I think you can understand why so many people might feel a sense of responsibility toward the 8-month fetus.
It’s not a lack of concern for the mother. It’s a matter of balancing the concern for mother and her nearly-born baby.
A lot of people get worked up about how chickens are treated on poultry farms. Anyone who feels a sense of responsibility toward a chicken must surely feel a sense of responsibility toward nearly-born baby.
Bunya December 21st, 2016 at 21:52
First of all, most women have an abortion within the first two months of fertilization. If a woman has an abortion after 8 months, it’s because there is something wrong with the fetus, for example the fetus may have severe hydrocephalus. Allowing a child to be born just to suffer an agonizing, painful death a few hours after birth is unconscionable.
whatthe46 December 21st, 2016 at 01:44
whenever you people get all indignant over a cell, i get indignant over the fact that you don’t really care about a baby after birth. case in point: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/976fe06762ba99cecb479381e2a93897190f5ac499c237b83f191082184603ab.jpg
under a selfish penny pinching low down disgusting repuke, children have died and many more will live with an irreversible illness because they didn’t care about the child already here.
Jungle_Bhoy December 20th, 2016 at 21:46
39% of Trump voters? So what’s that like, 4% of the actual population?
Robert M. Snyder December 21st, 2016 at 01:56
The US adult population (age 18+) is about 246 million.
Trump got 62,979,636 votes. That works out to 25.6% of the adult population.
Clinton got 65,844,610 votes. That works out to 26.8% of the adult population.
So out of every four adults, one voted for Trump, one voted for Clinton, and two did not vote.
whatthe46 December 21st, 2016 at 03:27
tRump loss. but, of course you don’t have a problem with voter suppression and gerrymandering.
whatthe46 December 21st, 2016 at 04:46
i’m so sure you’re ok with this. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8dae19bdc4e583797df0411a288661ea3f001a240bb9e2702f28fb6f804fd410.jpg
Obewon December 21st, 2016 at 10:04
A mere 19.6% of 320 M in America voted for the dumbest, most dishonest sovet compromised demagogue in U.S. history! You’ve got 0% self respect. 58.8% of eligible voters voted. Similar to every 21st century POTUS vote participation rate.
Robert M. Snyder December 21st, 2016 at 10:27
We can both play these statistical games. Why not? It’s fun!
– In 2012, Barack Obama got 62,615,406 votes.
– In 2016, Donald Trump got 62,979,636 votes.
Therefore, 364,230 more Americans said “I want Trump to be my president” than previously said “I want Obama to be my president”.
http://elections.nbcnews.com/ns/politics/2012/all/president/#.WFqdvIWcGUk
Obewon December 21st, 2016 at 10:36
Funny how you are rarely, if ever correct. Exhibit A: Roper (D) BHO 65,915,795. (R) Mittn’Ryan 60,933,504 http://ropercenter.cornell.edu/polls/us-elections/popular-vote/
Rudy Giuliani’s #pizzagate fantasies maybe your problem. http://www.snopes.com/rudy-giuliani-banned-from-twitter-for-pizzagate-tweets/
Robert M. Snyder December 21st, 2016 at 11:03
I stand corrected. I see now that the NBC article was written when 99% of the votes were in, and of course absentee ballots had not yet been counted. My bad.
But it doesn’t change the fact that 63 million of your fellow citizens preferred Trump over Clinton. I don’t condemn anyone who voted for Clinton. I think it was a tough call between two very undesirable alternatives. If the Democrats had nominated Joe Biden or Dianne Feinstein, I probably would have voted for them instead. A lot of Republicans would have done the same. But instead, your party failed to provide a viable alternative to Trump. And then your candidate said that half of us were “deplorable”, which helped her campaign in the same way that Mitt Romney’s 47% comment helped his. At times it seemed as though Hillary was doing everything in her power to help Trump. You can blame Russian hackers, but to this day not a single one of those e-mails has been contested. I can only conclude that every one of them was genuine. And if you think that Trump will do Putin’s bidding, imagine the power that Putin would have over Hillary if he managed to download all of the emails from her private server when she was Sec. of State. Can you say “blackmail”?
bpollen December 21st, 2016 at 04:18
And here’s Monty Python to tell you why…
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk
oldfart December 21st, 2016 at 11:27
How many of the 39% possess a uterus ?
Bunya December 21st, 2016 at 13:34
…and coincidentally, 39% of Trump voters despise women (and are probably pedophiles, as well).