Sanders won’t join Democratic Party
Bernie Sanders has a leadership position now, but won’t join the Democratic Party.
Click here for reuse options!“I was elected as an Independent and I will finish this term as an Independent,” Sanders said at a breakfast Thursday morning hosted by the Christian Science Monitor.
Sanders has long caucused with Democrats as an independent. That has annoyed some Democrats as Sanders’s star has risen on the left. They are frustrated by his influence within a party that he refuses to embrace.
Copyright 2016 Liberaland
161 responses to Sanders won’t join Democratic Party
Leave a Reply
You must be logged in to post a comment.
Red Eye Robot November 17th, 2016 at 18:24
Diet coke just came out of my nose! After what you people did to him and then LOST THE ELECTION, I’d be less shocked if he joined the GOP.
Mister Atoz November 18th, 2016 at 02:56
I’m not sure what you think we “did to him.”
Well, he did try to join the Democratic Party when it suited him and that didn’t work out so maybe he should try joining the Republican Party. It worked for Trump so…
ANNG14 November 18th, 2016 at 03:16
Hillary won the primary with 4 million votes more than Sanders.
Sanders would not have gone nearly as far as he did without the Democrats.
William November 18th, 2016 at 09:08
Facts are like pressing the eject button for red-eyed Rube.
ANNG14 November 18th, 2016 at 09:36
Too bad they don’t eject unto outer space.
mistlesuede November 18th, 2016 at 10:23
That would be nasty to our alien friends I suppose. ;)
Red Eyed had not been around here for months. Suddenly it has a lot to say.
Budda November 18th, 2016 at 07:03
Keep drinking that diet coke….(it’s a cancer causer)
mea_mark November 18th, 2016 at 11:12
It also makes your bowels and bladder leak. Somebody get him some Depends.
oldfart November 18th, 2016 at 11:19
It does cause cancer in…rats.
mistlesuede November 17th, 2016 at 19:11
Two men used political parties they did not belong to to get what they wanted. One woman ran in the party she worked for her entire life.
Mister Atoz November 17th, 2016 at 22:06
The more I think about Bernie Sanders (whom I voted for in my primary) the more I lose respect for him. Apparently, the other day he said he would oppose Trump and then said he would try to work with him.
But what is really aggravating is his angry supporters who are both happy that Clinton lost and appalled that Trump won. They don’t get the irony and the hypocrisy of trying to have it both ways.
I’m starting to think that Trump and Sanders are much alike and so are their supporters.
Julie G November 17th, 2016 at 23:16
Amen.
Mister Atoz November 17th, 2016 at 23:45
:-)
Kick Frenzy November 18th, 2016 at 00:31
As a Sanders supporter, I have to strongly disagree.
What he said about Trump was that he would strongly oppose him if any racist/misogynistic/bigoted/xenophobic matters came to bear, but he would work with him on things like a national infrastructure project.
Sounds like a good plan to me.
As for Clinton vs Trump…
I wouldn’t say I’m happy she lost, but I am appalled that he won.
I didn’t want either of them for president, but it’s obvious Hillary was the better choice, even if by no other means than process of elimination.
I will say, though, that there a lot of reactions out there that I think are hypocritical and dumb… it’s just that nowhere near all Berniecrats are like that.
Mister Atoz November 18th, 2016 at 00:38
Fair enough. My issue is strictly with the Bernie Sanders supporters who ARE happy that she lost (some of them good friends of mine) and are appalled that Trump won. They simply can’t have it both ways. In fact, I watched as some of them cheered on election night as the states turned “red” and then, a day or two later, one of them said something like:
“Well, I guess we have to fight Trump now.”
The problem with that is that you don’t “fight” someone by giving them the most powerful office in the world.
My apologies if I seemed to be painting with too broad a brush.
mistlesuede November 18th, 2016 at 00:58
You weren’t.
Kick Frenzy November 18th, 2016 at 19:07
Geez… good thing you aren’t in charge of any kind of outreach, with that kind of “paint all of one group with a stereotype” paintbrush you got there.
(Isn’t that something we’re all supposed to be against doing? Or do you think racists are on to something?)
Here’s the most interesting part… I know you don’t represent all of the Hillary supporters.
Crazy how that objective viewpoint works, eh?
mistlesuede November 18th, 2016 at 19:18
Blah, blah, blah.
Still saying things that don’t make a lick of sense or interest me in the least I see.
Kick Frenzy November 18th, 2016 at 19:44
Yeah… can’t say I’m surprised.
mea_mark November 18th, 2016 at 11:17
It was a lose-lose situation created by politicians that are beholden to powerful people with little interest in the masses. The people keep trying to say enough is enough and the politicians keep saying no, we are in control and will do what we want. The people are starting to rebel.
Mister Atoz November 18th, 2016 at 17:46
I don’t disagree but voting in someone every bit as “establishment” as any politician could be (look at his rumored cabinet picks) seems to be an odd way of accomplishing that.
mea_mark November 18th, 2016 at 20:24
Doubt most of the people that voted for him see him as part of the establishment. That may change though.
Mister Atoz November 18th, 2016 at 20:57
That’s what I was getting at. They took him at his word that he wasn’t. His actions show otherwise.
mea_mark November 18th, 2016 at 21:24
I think more than anything else, he is just trying to somehow fit in. He really is, in way over his head. I doubt he last more than a year. His failings will be all to obvious to the entire world and he will want to slither away and hide somewhere.
Mister Atoz November 18th, 2016 at 22:19
I completely agree.
Kick Frenzy November 18th, 2016 at 19:04
No worries.
Plus, really, what you describe does sound pretty dumb! lol
Mister Atoz November 18th, 2016 at 20:14
No offense but I don’t know what you’re getting at.
Kick Frenzy November 19th, 2016 at 01:28
Sorry…
You said you lost respect for Bernie because he said he would oppose Trump, but then said he would work with him.
With Sanders in mind, I pointed out how someone in Congress could oppose the base ideals of a president(-elect), but work with them on issues that cross lines of ideology.
As an example, Sanders would oppose a Muslim registry.. but he would support rebuilding our infrastructure.
So, losing respect for Bernie, on that issue, is a misgiving.
You have no reason to dislike Bernie on that count.
That’s basically my point.
Mister Atoz November 19th, 2016 at 01:58
Thank you for explaining. I agree with that.
Kick Frenzy November 19th, 2016 at 02:27
Thanks.
I really appreciate being able to discuss differing views with someone and being able to come to some sort of mutual understanding. :)
mistlesuede November 18th, 2016 at 00:57
Oddly, I was addressing the same things in a reply email to you that I just sent a few minutes ago!
Of course, I totally agree with you and you will find it interesting that I said basically the same exact things you did here.
Mister Atoz November 18th, 2016 at 01:11
I will check that out and reply tomorrow. All I can say for now is “great minds DO think alike.”
Did you see the mess at RS? Apparently, an article was linked to or from a site like Breitbart and the racists were attracted like moths to a flame. I’d say that about 40% of the comments have now been deleted.
I guess Jimmy Fallon is on late because a football game preceded it. Luckily, he did that bit where he reads tweets that people sent in which is always funny because he and his writers have nothing to do with them (other than by providing the topic). This is the very first time I’ve seen any of it since Colbert’s show started.
ANNG14 November 18th, 2016 at 02:29
” Apparently, the other day he said he would oppose Trump” and then the same day said he WOULD WORK WITH HIM.
ANNG14 November 18th, 2016 at 02:27
So true mistle.
mistlesuede November 18th, 2016 at 03:04
The whole thing stinks.
starskeptic November 18th, 2016 at 08:53
That was a big part of the problem.
mistlesuede November 18th, 2016 at 10:17
Absolutely.
Gina Bousquet November 17th, 2016 at 20:14
Love him. Votes with the Democratic Party but stays an independent.
William November 18th, 2016 at 09:07
So does Angus King of Maine.
Gina Bousquet November 18th, 2016 at 14:28
Then it’s the only thing he has in common with your mythical figure from Maine.
oldfart November 18th, 2016 at 14:45
Angus King is real Gina…really ! ;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angus_King
Gina Bousquet November 18th, 2016 at 14:55
Lololololol Oh my! Thank you dear! My blunder… :)
oldfart November 18th, 2016 at 14:59
I must admit I was scratching my head with Williams comment to
…I had to look it up ! ;)
Gina Bousquet November 18th, 2016 at 15:15
Thank you for having my back in that one. :)
William November 19th, 2016 at 09:17
Angus like many Maine politicians is independent. He does caucus the democrats. Our most beloved governors were independent. It’s common practice that politicians don’t list their political party on their ads, and also common that voters don’t know (or care) what party they are affiliated with. Maine votes the person.
Gina Bousquet November 19th, 2016 at 12:56
Thank you for clarifying William. :)
whatthe46 November 18th, 2016 at 10:54
Sanders is now agreeing to work with tRump about minimum wage being raised to 10 from 7 an hr, whereas Hillary wanted 15. that’s not right at all. 10 an hr at full time isn’t a living wage. Bernie should be fighting for that. period. tRump doesn’t believe the minimum wage should be raised at all.
oldfart November 18th, 2016 at 11:03
During primary campaign, He wanted 15, Hillary said less.
And yes, anything less than 15 isn’t a living wage. Settling for 10 is more than 7…but it doesn’t matter, an increase now ain’t gonna happen
because neither tRump or republicans WANT a minimum wage.
whatthe46 November 18th, 2016 at 11:07
now she wants 15 and yes anything less than that isn’t living wage. futhermore, under tRump, single parents will not be able to file as head of house hold. and if they are making 10 or less an hr., plus the raised taxes, they will starve. it’s time to break out oil lanterns for light, and wood burning fire stoves, because they won’t be able to afford the utilities. damn shame. and not to mention the those who will lose their medicare and reduced S.S. most of those very people voted for tRump.
oldfart November 18th, 2016 at 11:18
Hillary is no longer in office and hopefully she and Bill can now devote their time to their foundation and continue their good works
for those who have far less than Americans do.
‘ it’s time to break out oil lanterns for light, and wood burning fire stoves, because they won’t be able to afford the utilities.’
I’m working on that now.
I have no pity for any of those fools who voted for him.
whatthe46 November 18th, 2016 at 11:24
december isn’t here yet. miracles have happened. i’m gonna hold my breath on this one.
oldfart November 18th, 2016 at 11:33
Miracles DO happen.
ANY victory, no matter how small, will be worth hoping for.
Gina Bousquet November 18th, 2016 at 14:26
During the campaign he was the one for 15, she was for less. Politics is negotiation, compromise, they work with what’s doable, particularly with a Trump’s GOP I’d say. I agree it’s not nearly enough
oldfart November 18th, 2016 at 11:10
Our country needs MANY more independents in national office.
The two party system has rot from top to bottom.
Gina Bousquet November 18th, 2016 at 14:18
That’s how I see it too :)
mistlesuede November 18th, 2016 at 19:26
Then it would behoove them to run as Indies as both of these men did not do. They are not genuine.
Kick Frenzy November 18th, 2016 at 19:32
Sanders ran as a Democrat, knowing that he has caucused with them for years, to prevent splitting the ticket and giving Republicans a sure win.
He did it for the good of America and the Democratic party.
Why you insist on beleaguering a false narrative about Sanders is beyond me.
mistlesuede November 18th, 2016 at 19:34
Stop wasting my time. Not interested in your “thoughts.”
Kick Frenzy November 18th, 2016 at 19:47
Your disdain for intelligent discussion is disturbing.
And if you’re not interested in differing thoughts, maybe you should stop making public comments on public comment sections that are on public websites.
mistlesuede November 18th, 2016 at 20:46
For some reason you can’t seem to leave me alone as I do with you. I ignore your foolishness but you can’t let that go. If I show up anywhere in a discussion and dare to mention Saint Bernard you can’t stand it. If I reply to someone else, you seem to need to reply to me as if I was talking to you. I’m sorry you cannot handle rejection. Get over it. This game has gone on for way too long. I was done with it in the spring.
I enjoy intelligent conversations with a number of people. I don’t enjoy talking with you. I don’t find anything you have to say worth my time. Why can’t you understand that?
Stop bothering me. It’s very simple. I ignore you all the time, it would be nice if you would do the same for me.
Buh bye.
Kick Frenzy November 19th, 2016 at 01:49
I’ve ignored all kinds of crap from you.
I want to reply to many of your comments, but I usually leave them alone.
For some reason, you can’t conceive of a reality where you can just discuss something.
Everything is a fight of insults for you.
But sometimes, you say something that I want to post a reply to.
You know… the way a public comments section works?
Maybe you should stop posting online and just yell into an echo chamber instead.
Mister Atoz November 18th, 2016 at 21:44
How very ironic that Sanders managed to split the Democratic Party and allow Trump to win (since, apparently, that was the last thing he wanted to do).
mistlesuede November 18th, 2016 at 22:52
Yes. How very ironic. ;)
Kick Frenzy November 19th, 2016 at 01:34
No, Hillary split the party.
When she colluded with the DNC to f*k over Bernie.
When she was nowhere near progressive until she had a serious progressive challenger.
When she lied about Bernie.
When her husband illegally interrupted primary voting.
Sanders didn’t split anything.
If the DNC had been honest, it would’ve been Hillary spoiling the vote.. not Bernie.
Mister Atoz November 19th, 2016 at 01:57
Bernie became a Democrat to get all of the benefits the DNC could offer. Just one example is that he could participate in debates and, had he run as the Independent he was both before and after he ran for the presidency, he might not have had the opportunity to to do so with anyone other than Stein and Johnson.
Politics a rough game. He played it too by hacking into her voter lists and apparently accepting illegal foreign donations (or his staff did). Bernie Sanders knew very well what he was getting into and, if he held ill will towards Hillary Clinton, he wouldn’t have vehemently supported her after she won the nomination. The irony is that he DID try to unify the party after it became divided but some of his supporters wanted nothing to do with that and, apparently, still do not.
That’s what I will never, ever, understand. In what may have been the most important election of modern times, his supporters trusted his judgement on everything except the most important thing, voting as he asked them to. That some people think they did him sort of a favor by voting against his wishes simply astounds me.
Kick Frenzy November 19th, 2016 at 02:22
Oh boy…
He ran as Dem so he didn’t split the vote.
He did not hack into her voter lists.
He warned the officials that the system had been hacked a couple months before Hillary was hacked, but they didn’t care back then… because only Bernie’s files were hacked at that point.
I still haven’t sen proof of purposeful acceptance of illegal foreign donations.
He was trying to keep the party united right out of the gate.
It wasn’t some kind of after thought.
And Bernie supporters didn’t want to support Hillary because she quite pointedly f*ked over Bernie with the help of the DNC, not to mention lies she told about him (like voting against auto bailout).
And those of us who didn’t follow his suggestion in voting for Hillary weren’t trying to do him a favor… we were listening to our own conscious.
At least some us were.
Personally, I couldn’t vote for Hillary… regardless of whether Bernie ever even existed.
I didn’t write Bernie in because Hillary won and I was whining about it.
I wrote him in because I believe he would make a great president.
I didn’t vote for Hillary because so many of her actions make my soul recoil in disgust… and her past that’s full of policy positions I disagree with weighed heavily on that decision as well.
I’m sick of people blaming Bernie for Hillary’s short-comings.
That ignorance of reality is how Trump won.
oldfart November 19th, 2016 at 00:43
Run as indies ? could you clarify ?
mistlesuede November 19th, 2016 at 10:17
Independent ticket, of course.
oldfart November 19th, 2016 at 10:52
That’s what I thought.
Nobody else had the right to run as a democrat ?
Blame the DNC they didn’t say no…
mistlesuede November 19th, 2016 at 11:16
I think you know that is a ridiculous statement. He put them between a rock and a hard place because they need him to vote with them on important issues.
He is solely responsible for his decision. I do wish they had objected to him, not behind his back.
oldfart November 19th, 2016 at 11:27
I would have preferred that the DNC had done so too.
I firmly believe hindsight is becoming completely useless in politics.
as far as the two party system is concerned.
mistlesuede November 19th, 2016 at 12:01
Apparently hindsight did not matter for the GOTP. They did an autopsy, found out what went wrong, did the exact opposite and won. Although I believe there were too many forces at work that caused this.
oldfart November 19th, 2016 at 12:08
yeah, like 43 million people didn’t vote or were prevented from voting.
mistlesuede November 19th, 2016 at 12:16
One of the many of the forces for evil including a foreign government involved.
ANNG14 November 19th, 2016 at 01:15
Except when he used the Democratic party while complaining that he alone was pure.
Gina Bousquet November 19th, 2016 at 13:34
You think he used the Party, I see him contributing to it. Isn’t it time to stop fighting Sanders? She lost for Trump!
ANNG14 November 19th, 2016 at 17:36
You see wrong.
Gina Bousquet November 19th, 2016 at 17:55
Millions of Democratic and Independent Americans join me in seeing that. Have a nice evening.
ANNG14 November 19th, 2016 at 19:23
Which of course is just your opinion.
whatthe46 November 19th, 2016 at 13:02
this is something i didn’t know about Sanders and it’s very disappointing. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f6249ad08bab14300874aa90c619d15d0a7f876ebacc8d9a45ede24e46151c39.jpg
Gina Bousquet November 19th, 2016 at 13:07
Key word is at the bottom: “Republican book on Sanders”. Did you fact check? :)
mistlesuede November 19th, 2016 at 15:49
Actually, most all of them were verified by people on the left who wanted to know his background during the primary. I can’t confirm all, but can do so on most all of them from reading other sources months ago. He was never vetted in the public during the primary.
Gina Bousquet November 19th, 2016 at 15:53
Republican book on Sanders tells me all I should now about the quality of the source. Besides I think it’s time to stop lynching him politically
mistlesuede November 19th, 2016 at 16:15
My reply was in response to your question if they were fact checked. And they were. I could give you the links if my old computer had not been hacked during the spring and died. TPV and some others did a good job of doing opposition research to prepare us for the deluge that would inevitably be coming from that horrible Trump campaign or whomever won their nomination if Bernie was running against them. The Clinton camp did not use it. But Trump certainly used Bernie’s words against HRC.
Lynching? LOLOLOLOL
Now you and I both know that is just silly.
Take care Gina.
Gina Bousquet November 19th, 2016 at 16:49
Silly would be to pretend to ignore what the DNC did to Sanders candidacy. But once HRC lost wouldn’t it be the time to at last leave Sanders alone and think of organizing to face a Trump presidency?
Gina Bousquet November 19th, 2016 at 17:02
Silly would be to ignore what the DNC did to his candidacy. Anyway, it’s time to leave Sanders campaign alone and start organizing to face a Trump presidency I believe.
mistlesuede November 19th, 2016 at 19:02
I’d like to know what they actually “did” to his campaign, but since we are moving on, chew on this story I just read. There is so much to make our blood boil and it’s coming at us so fast we can’t keep up. How is this crap going to be stopped? I don’t see how with the parasites he is putting into the justice department and with the Dems in the minority. We are in deep trouble.
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-poised-to-violate-constitution-his-first-day-in-office-george-w-bushs-ethics-lawyer-says-73e14789a935#.25dxh2kif
Gina Bousquet November 19th, 2016 at 19:20
I believe it’s no small trouble really. We’ve been under extreme right governments, it’s devastating. But I’ve been reading about Obama alumni groups already organizing to face what’s about to come. I suppose Sanders people will too. The several organized Democratic groups will have to work together somehow to at least minimize the damage Trump apointees will represent. I suppose it will demand an enourmous effort on the part of American citizens and the Democratic Party.
mistlesuede November 20th, 2016 at 00:22
It is going to be horrible. It will set back our progress decades. I’ve been getting emails from the former Obama for America, now called Organizing for America for a few months. All the various groups are going to have to coordinate, but our power will be limited. Scary times here. We will need your pep talks. :)
Gina Bousquet November 20th, 2016 at 11:15
Yes dear, scary times for America and I dare say, for the world. Chomsky says the great power is organized people. You’ll have to work hard with your Party, lawmakers, marches, petitions, boycots… We’ll be here to encourage. :)
Gina Bousquet November 20th, 2016 at 11:26
I answered you, but it doesn’t appear on the page. Probably later. It’s going to be scary not only for America, but also for the world. According to Chomsky the power of organized people is big and greatly minimized. You’ll have to work hard with your Party and lawmakers, as well as make use of all legal tools to resist. We’ll be here to encourage and cheer! :)
mistlesuede November 21st, 2016 at 10:08
I was talking about that with our son on Friday. Lot’s of us are very depressed, but the instinct to fight is still there and getting stronger. Can you imagine how many lawsuits the Democratic Party is going to be starting though? We will go broke.
Gina Bousquet November 21st, 2016 at 13:09
Yes, it might be a nightmare…
mistlesuede November 21st, 2016 at 15:26
I think I’d replace “might” with “will.”
Gina Bousquet November 21st, 2016 at 15:30
I was trying to make it sound smoother
*sad smile*
mistlesuede November 21st, 2016 at 15:43
We need a new emoticon to make a sad smile. We are going to need that when communicating with friends now. I’m sure someone will come up with one.
Gina Bousquet November 21st, 2016 at 15:47
Yes, I’d say we’ll have use for it…
Gina Bousquet November 20th, 2016 at 14:29
Dear Misty, answered you twice already. Hope they show on page later on, otherwise I’ll write again tomorrow. :)
mistlesuede November 21st, 2016 at 10:00
Hi Gina. All of your replies were in my email inbox (I get those) and also in my notifications. Didn’t they post on the thread? I’ll take a looksee.
Gina Bousquet November 21st, 2016 at 13:08
Sorry dear, it happens a lot when I’m on disqus. It does not show on the page for me, so I get worried people will think I’m ignoring them when in fact the mrssages get to their email boxes :(
mistlesuede November 21st, 2016 at 15:28
No problem. I’d rather hear from you a lot, than not at all. ;)
Gina Bousquet November 21st, 2016 at 15:33
That’s sweet! Likewise, dear. :)
Kick Frenzy November 18th, 2016 at 00:34
It’s not that Sanders won’t join Democrats, he’s just waiting for them to catch up to where he is.
;)
ANNG14 November 18th, 2016 at 03:10
2 days ago: Sanders Vows To “Vigorously Oppose” Trump’s Noxious and Destructive Agenda.
http://www.commondreams.org/ne…
2 days ago: Bernie Sanders says he will work with Donald Trump
http://www.cnn.com/videos/poli…
Now 8 days ago.
Carla Akins November 18th, 2016 at 04:35
Uh no. First, you can both “Vigorously Oppose” Trump’s Noxious and Destructive Agenda and work with the Pres-elect. In fact, that’s what all elected officals are supposed to do. Sanders’ personal philosophy and approach to office has remain fundamentally unchanged for the last three decades – do you know any other candidate that has consistently stood by their principles regardless?
ANNG14 November 18th, 2016 at 09:40
Oppose and work with, is speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
Carla Akins November 18th, 2016 at 10:43
I am so sorry comprehension appears to be beyond your grasp. I can oppose Trump’s immigration plan (for example) but that doesn’t mean that I wouldn’t diligently work with him to change his mind, adjust or alter, or present a different view. That is how adult elected officials act, they discuss, debate and compromise in an effort to do what’s best for ALL of their constituents.
oldfart November 18th, 2016 at 10:55
Remember when politics was called “the art of compromise” ?
I miss those days….
mistlesuede November 18th, 2016 at 19:41
I remember when a President put forward a nominee for the SCOTUS and Congress did their duty. This form of government has been broken by the right. It should be illegal.
I do not think the Dems should cooperate at all on the SCOTUS. They should not show up for anything related to it. Finish breaking it.
Kick Frenzy November 19th, 2016 at 02:01
So Dems can be what they dislike about Republicans?
Maybe it’d be better for Dems to do their job, proving that Repubs are insufficient at governing.
ANNG14 November 18th, 2016 at 10:11
Is that like saying you will run a clean campaign then running a dirty campaign?
mea_mark November 18th, 2016 at 11:25
This is all part of the blame game the democrats are stuck in because they don’t want to accept responsibility for their loss. If they don’t shake themselves out of it, the democratic party may die. It’s time for change if they want to survive and be relevant. Accepting responsibility and addressing their failings is imperative if they are to survive.
whatthe46 November 18th, 2016 at 12:03
dems voted overwhelmingly for Hillary to win. and it proves she won the popular vote by nearly 2 mil and still counting. furthermore, the dems lost because repuking controlled states managed to gerryman districts and voter suppression of it’s states. to deny that is to suggest that minorities just chose not to vote period. also take into account that over 800 polling places were shut down and closing down of DMV’s so that people couldn’t get there i.d.’s played its roll. take into account that russia interfered with our process. so, i’m NOT and neither should you dismiss that.
Kick Frenzy November 18th, 2016 at 19:26
Her popular vote doesn’t really count as much as people are clamoring on about, but you make some excellent points here.
(For example, winning 3 million more popular votes in California doesn’t mean you won more popular votes nationally.)
The voter suppression and intimidation tactics definitely had a real effect on the outcome of electoral votes.
Like in a few states where she lost by less than 50,000 votes, but they had purged a couple hundred thousand voters… she most likely would have won those states if not for Republican obfuscation.
The closed polls are an egregious issue that should be reprimanded with strict enforcement and/or penalties…. I don’t know, but SOMEthing should be done about those anti-constitutional Repubs!
Gina Bousquet November 18th, 2016 at 15:20
All senators are expected to work with the president despite conflicting stances
ANNG14 November 18th, 2016 at 15:44
Like Republicans worked with President Obama?
Surely you jest.
Working with a Fascist(s) is too much like making deals with the devil.
Gina Bousquet November 18th, 2016 at 19:48
So we should learn with Republicans how to act in governing…Right…
ANNG14 November 19th, 2016 at 01:02
Quit being disingenuous.
ANNG14 November 18th, 2016 at 03:13
Which is any way the wind blows.
Kick Frenzy November 18th, 2016 at 19:16
Who? Bernie?
You must not know about how he has pursued the same ideals for half a century then.
*eye roll*
ANNG14 November 18th, 2016 at 19:42
So what has he done about them (in the Senate). And where was the clean campaign he promised? Talk about dark money, Sanders took illegal campaign contributions from foreign countries.
Kick Frenzy November 18th, 2016 at 20:12
I don’t know of him running a campaign that wasn’t clean.
(I do know that Hillary ran a dirty campaign, both in front of cameras and behind them… but that’s besides the point.)
As for illegal foreign contributions, please provide some kind of proof on that.
I just tried searching for it and while there are plenty of results for problematic contributions, none of it had to do with foreign money.
As for what Bernie has done in the Senate, there is just way, way too much information on that.
But he was well known for working across aisles and for actually getting things done.
But here’s a couple links with a ton of stuff that he did, both in the Senate and as the Mayor of Burlington, Vermont:
– List of legislations https://pplswar.wordpress.com/2015/11/11/what-bernie-sanders-got-done-in-washington-a-legislative-inventory/
– Work as Mayor
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-dreier/bernies-burlington-what-k_b_7510704.html
ANNG14 November 19th, 2016 at 00:53
Are you kidding me? He demonized Hillary Clinton and foment hatred for her. As far as any legislation that he sponsored, you couldn’t name anything on that. Fighting cuts in medicare, student loans and vet benefits is not legislation. Not interested in the huge position of mayor of Burlington.
During her 8 years in the Senate, Hillary sponsored 10 pieces of legislation that passed. In 9 years in the senate Sanders sponsored just 1 piece of legislation that passed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/04/07/hillary-clinton-was-a-more-effective-lawmaker-than-bernie-sanders/
Dark money:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/5/11/1525428/-FEC-releases-damning-639-pages-of-violations-by-Bernie-Sanders-campaign
http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/3/14/bernie-sanders-potentially-illegal-campaign-contributions
oldfart November 19th, 2016 at 01:09
“Are you kidding me?”
That a damn good question.
What good does your sh*t storming here serve now ?
republicans have taken over and will fu*k up anything and everything they get their hands on. If ANY deal that will actually do ANY good comes out of congress I’ll be amazed.
Stay focused.
ANNG14 November 19th, 2016 at 01:19
The article is about St Bernard.
oldfart November 19th, 2016 at 01:24
I got that much, so far. I am looking at Bernie for intervention as much as getting anything responsible done. I realize that may not be possible.
mistlesuede November 19th, 2016 at 11:11
I liked what I think he suggested yesterday about designating the area around the Dakota access pipeline a National Monument. PO has done, I think, more of those than any President. Don’t quote me.
That would be something I would support.
Kick Frenzy November 19th, 2016 at 01:59
Ok, now I know you’re a troll.
You’ve just misrepresented reality.
And proved your ignorance.
ANNG14 November 19th, 2016 at 08:06
I backed up everything I said.
mistlesuede November 19th, 2016 at 10:37
LOL
ANNG14 “the troll.”
OMG
You can see now why I ignore that one although he can’t stop himself from replying to me. Two more examples again this morning. SMH
ANNG14 November 19th, 2016 at 08:14
And what was dirty about Hillary’s campaign specifically? Did she steal Bernie’s voter data like Bernie did?
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/documents-show-sanders-staffers-breached-clinton-voter-data
She didn’t take foreign campaign contributions
like Bernie did. She did not encourage hatred of the opposing candidate.
Kick Frenzy November 19th, 2016 at 21:15
She’s as likely to have stolen Bernie’s info as Bernie is of stealing hers.
Except when it happened to Bernie, it was months earlier and the DNC ignored him when he warned them about it.
(And no, Bernie didn’t steal her info, that’s a false narrative.)
A couple examples of what was dirty:
– Lying about Bernie voting against the auto-bailout (he voted against TARP, he voted FOR the specific auto-bailout).
– She illegally colluded with the DNC and media outlets to demolish Sanders.
– Both her and her husband illegally disrupted primary polling locations
– People were brought in to caucus for Hillary that were never registered before entering the caucus
ANNG14 November 19th, 2016 at 21:40
Not what happened, Hillary’s voter information was stolen, not the other way around.
Sanders voted against the final bill that actually bailed out the auto industry.
“- She illegally colluded with the DNC and media outlets to demolish Sanders.
– Both her and her husband illegally disrupted primary polling locations
– People were brought in to caucus for Hillary that were never registered before entering the caucus”
Where in the world did you come up with this BS?
Your penchant to lie for Sanders is noted.
You have no cred.
Kick Frenzy November 19th, 2016 at 23:07
Reality.
That’s where I get this stuff.
From reality.
I’m done beleaguering this topic though.
Nothing’s going to come of it, apparently.
ANNG14 November 20th, 2016 at 09:11
So you can’t support you dishonest foolish assertions, just as I thought.
Kick Frenzy November 23rd, 2016 at 11:32
Try using your eyes.
I already gave support of my reality based assertions.
ANNG14 November 23rd, 2016 at 11:46
There you go lying again.
Kick Frenzy November 23rd, 2016 at 20:10
poke
mea_mark November 18th, 2016 at 11:19
‘guest’ will throw your comment into pending.
mistlesuede November 18th, 2016 at 19:32
TU. I have to remember that one.
ANNG14 November 19th, 2016 at 01:04
You don’t get that Sanders speaks out of both sides of his mouth and has accomplished very little.
Kick Frenzy November 19th, 2016 at 01:58
Obvious troll is obvious.
ANNG14 November 19th, 2016 at 08:07
FAIL You don’t like the truth. Too bad.
Donkey Hotay ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ November 19th, 2016 at 01:09
Dishonest Bernie shouldn’t be allowed to join the Democratic party.
He’s a SOCIALIST, and if he had been honest he would have run on the Socialist Party ticket.
oldfart November 19th, 2016 at 01:14
“Dishonest Bernie shouldn’t be allowed to join the Democratic party.”
He’s not going to join, what’s your point here ?
Donkey Hotay ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ November 19th, 2016 at 01:15
He should never have been allowed to run on the Democratic ticket.
He isn’t a Democrat.
oldfart November 19th, 2016 at 01:18
Why do you wish to be so distracted ?
There is a big picture out there that needs attention.
This water is way past the bridge.
mistlesuede November 19th, 2016 at 10:23
Possibly because that is part of what the thread is about?
oldfart November 19th, 2016 at 10:43
Yep and I have addressed that to someone else as well.
You and obviously others have a need to vent and cast blame.
It may help you feel better but it won’t change a thing.
mistlesuede November 19th, 2016 at 11:04
You’ll have to point me to where I am “venting” and “casting blame.” I have written two opinions on two things on the thread.
I made a simple observation on the thread I believe two days ago:
“Two men used political parties they did not belong to to get what they
wanted. One woman ran in the party she worked for her entire adult life.”
And I referred to how Dems should handle the ultimate insult to Obama and the American people who voted for him twice regarding the lack of hearings on Merrick Garland.
It does seem odd that you would have a problem with people who are “venting” though. Hmm.
oldfart November 19th, 2016 at 11:18
I can read and reply between the lines as good as anybody.
I also have been accused and called much worse than, odd…
but most importantly and my larger point remains,
there are bigger fish to fry.
mistlesuede November 19th, 2016 at 11:55
Just to confirm, you were unable to point to the comments where I did that. Thanks.
I did not say you were odd. I said it seems odd that you would have a problem with people venting. I hope they continue to. It’s everyone’s right, at least for now, in this country.
oldfart November 19th, 2016 at 12:24
You’re welcome.
But I simply don’t want to waste my time being facetious.
Your implication is quite sufficient and self explanatory.
mistlesuede November 19th, 2016 at 12:30
I don’t enjoy wasting valuable time either. Especially not defending myself against charges that are inaccurate.
Have a good day.
Kick Frenzy November 19th, 2016 at 01:23
When you say he would’ve been honest if he ran on a Socialist Party ticket, what you’re really saying is you don’t know s*t all about Bernie.
Please go read up on the difference between Socialist and Democratic Socialist, then come back and use words that make sense.
Donkey Hotay ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ November 19th, 2016 at 01:24
Bernie =/= Democrat
Period.
Kick Frenzy November 19th, 2016 at 01:31
Not so fast.
In my opinion, Bernie is where the Dems should be, and many Dems are where Republicans used to be.
Maybe Bernie doesn’t register as Dem because he doesn’t think the Dems are Dems.
And judging by information revealed during this campaign season, that’s not an unreasonable concept.
Donkey Hotay ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ November 19th, 2016 at 01:33
So let Bernie the Socialist run on the SOCIALIST Party ticket where he belongs.
Then, if his message and platform still holds true, some of the left-center democrats would switch parties and support him. Perhaps even enough to create a VALID and permanent 3rd Party in America.
Kick Frenzy November 19th, 2016 at 01:54
Nope… if anything, Bernie would belong on a DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST ticket.
And if you haven’t noticed, Berniecrats (DemSocs) have won some elections.
Many people in congress, both Repub and Dem, respect Bernie and acknowledge the work he’s accomplished.
The main point, though, is that Dems are lagging.
Elections since 2010 have proven that.
Do you think the problem is that they aren’t far enough to the center?
If so, you’re the one in need of a third party.
Donkey Hotay ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ November 19th, 2016 at 01:57
So let him create and run in the Democratic-Socialist party.
Fact is, he isn’t a DEMOCRAT.
Stop pretending he is.
Kick Frenzy November 19th, 2016 at 02:08
Dems welcomed him to caucus with them.
Some elected Dems supported him as their presidential candidate.
I’m not pretending he’s a Democrat.
I’m just aware of a reality where running as a third left-leaning party only hurts the Left instead of helping it.
That’s part of why Bernie ran as a Dem… so he didn’t have a chance to rupture the Left, giving the Right a sure bet on winning.
Not everything is black & white.
Especially when it comes to Democrat vs Socialist Democrat!