Planned Parenthood Shooter Said ‘No More Baby Parts’
A deeply disturbing picture of Robert Lewis Dear, the man who killed three people including a police officer and wounded nine others during an attack on Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs, is beginning to emerge.
One of Dear’s former North Carolina neighbors found the man scary:
James Howie, who lives up the mountain from Dear’s Long Branch Road trailer, said Dear, 57, asked him to do foundation work at the property off N.C. 9. Howie drove there with Dear.
“Out of the blue when I first met him, that was what he wanted me to do, go with him and check it out,” Howie said.
Howie said he was so troubled by the interaction, he turned down the work.
“I wouldn’t ride with that fellow from here to the mailbox now,” Howie said. “I was just glad to get home.”
Others in the community were also alarmed by his behavior:
Dear’s Black Mountain home is a small, yellow edifice that lacks both electricity and running water. On one exterior wall hangs a cross made of twigs. Another nearby property features a decrepit mobile home that appears to have been abandoned.
A neighbor of Dear’s Black Mountain property said she and her family “kept out of his way” when they would see their neighbor approaching along the area’s unkempt roads.
“He wouldn’t really speak to anybody, he wouldn’t wave,” Mallory Nicoletti, 29, told the Citizen-Times.
The shack where Robert Lewis Dear reportedly lived near Black Mountain, N.C. A cross made of twigs hangs on one wall. (Photo: Leah Buletti, Asheville (N.C.) Citizen-Times)
Another neighbor, who asked not to be identified for fear of reprisal, told The Washington Post that Dear “was the kind of person you had to watch out for. He was a very weird individual. It’s hard to explain, but he had a weird look in his eye most of the time.”
Neighbors in the area said Dear rarely spoke about religion or abortion. The loner’s main company seemed to be a mangy dog that looked so bad neighbors called animal control. But Dear’s story gets more troubling when assessing his earlier, married years in South Carolina, where police records show a history of arrests for domestic violence, animal cruelty and being a peeping tom.
In recent years, Dear lived in the remote town of Hartsel, Colorado:
On this lonely, snow-covered patch of land in a hamlet ringed by the Rocky Mountains, his home was a white trailer, with a forest-green four-wheeler by the front door and a modest black cross painted on one end.
As police officers surrounded it on Saturday, looking for clues to what they said had sent its owner on a rampage at a Planned Parenthood center that left three dead and nine wounded, neighbors said they barely knew him, beyond one man’s memory of his handing out anti-Obama political pamphlets.
Van Wands, 58, whose wife owns a local saloon, said there were two types of people in the area: the old-timers who put in time getting to know their neighbors, and newcomers who wished to be left alone. Mr. Dear, he said, fell solidly into the second category.
“That’d be one that preferred to be left alone,” he said.
This evening, Reuters added this chilling detail:
The man accused of opening fire at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado and killing three people said “no more baby parts” while he was being arrested, NBC News and other media reported on Saturday, citing unnamed law enforcement sources.
The utterance would appear to be a reference to the controversy surrounding the organization’s health services, which include abortion, and its role in delivering fetal tissue to medical researchers.
It could hint at a possible motive for the rampage, though NBC reported that sources said investigators still did not know for certain what motivated the gunman.
Authorities have not discussed a motive for the attack at the Colorado Springs clinic, which left a police officer and two civilians dead and nine people wounded.
That’s right – a guy who very likely has serious mental issues is able to get his hands on an AK-47 knockoff and, and egged on by the propagandistic mantra “baby parts” (mission accomplished, David Daleiden), decides to get medieval on a Planned Parenthood clinic.
Because freedom!
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* Hirsch is the third person to use the pseudonym, a not-so-veiled tribute to journalist and author Hunter S. Thompson, with the permission of his predecessors Gene Gaudette of American Politics Journal (currently webmaster and chief bottlewasher at Liberaland) and Stephen Meese at Smashmouth Politics.
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labman57 November 28th, 2015 at 23:01
Meanwhile, from virtually all of the Republican candidates for POTUS … crickets.
Of course they’re reluctant to speak out and express outrage over the attack.
Doing so would upset their support base.
KABoink_after_wingnut_hacker November 29th, 2015 at 07:12
You’ve got that right!
Warman1138 November 28th, 2015 at 23:30
Looks like a solid republican, a fine example of their voter base and a dedicated FOX news viewer and Limbaugh fan with a secret crush for Sean Hannity along side a cup of Morning Joe Scarborough. ( eye roll to the top )
bpollen November 29th, 2015 at 00:43
Who peed in my cup of Morning Joe? Wait… It’s always like that? So Kopi Luwak?
Tommie November 28th, 2015 at 23:33
Should have heard what me and Tracey went through on the Hill and me on Breitbart, real fun stuff, apparently, this guy is a tranny liberal and the right says we own this with the “selling” of baby parts! Had fun!
dewired4u November 29th, 2015 at 00:10
carly fiorina owns this.
nola878 November 29th, 2015 at 00:54
Sh*t, the RW media and Republican politicians own this too.
Absolom Humblebug November 30th, 2015 at 00:07
Yeah, if Fiorina owns this then Barack Obama owns every cop murder for the last 7 years.
dewired4u November 30th, 2015 at 01:05
people say dumb sh^t but this is the dumbest thing I’ve heard yet.
Gina Bousquet November 30th, 2015 at 11:49
And I thought you knew law. But you can’t reason.
Absolom Humblebug November 30th, 2015 at 12:00
That’s not a legal question, but a political one. Irresponsibly stoking anger among your base, targeting a small discrete groupnof people for political gain, regardless of facts or ultimate consequences… If all this makesFiorina guilty of something, Obama has a lot to answer for. Especially since she’s just a candidate, while he actually is elected POTUS.
Gina Bousquet November 30th, 2015 at 16:04
Obama has never done anything remotely similar to what the Republican Party and its wannabes do.
Absolom Humblebug November 30th, 2015 at 19:11
Stoking racial and class warfare is pretty much all he’s done for 7years, and his demonization of police is unprecedented in a president. The surge of homicides in Baltimore, DC and Chicago are directly attributable to his cynical anger stoking.
Gina Bousquet November 30th, 2015 at 19:49
Lies from the Right we’re used to hear and see for what they are.
Absolom Humblebug November 30th, 2015 at 20:26
Heh. Keep slurping that koolaid, comrade.
Gina Bousquet November 30th, 2015 at 20:29
I leave that habit to you and your kind.
rg9rts November 29th, 2015 at 00:44
Like you really need confirmation he’s a loon…a deadly loon..and hero to the reichwing
MyDogsAreSmarterThanYou November 29th, 2015 at 09:15
Absolutely a hero to those on the right. Did you see some of those tweets? Beyond the pale.
rg9rts November 29th, 2015 at 09:30
All snarkiness aside…its down right horrifying that society has sunk so far down…and that idiot mayor…a misdirected ideologue …Republican …no surprise there
Carla Akins November 29th, 2015 at 04:57
Here goes: I think the man is crazy only in a laymen’s sense. Yes, I realize he’s exhibited odd behavior to his neighbors (anti-social) and has some odd political beliefs (birther, impeach Obama, etc) but I do not believe he’s mentally ill. The mugshot shows his hair mussed a bit and he’s looking bug-eyed, but it appears intentional.
Mental illness; schizophrenia, bi-polar, disassociative disorders, whether medicated or not takes a remarkable physical toll. It actually frays and fuses the Telomeres, the ends of the chromosomes that make up your cellular DNA. Cellular aging has a profound affect on on the appearance of one’s face. Dear does not display these markers, I think he’s trying to look crazy but he’s just your garden variety sociopath.
Darksnark November 29th, 2015 at 05:19
Right-wing apologists will try to label him as a “lone-nut”, but the guy was engaged enough with the outside real world to become involved with anti-Obama rhetoric and extremist abortion-opposition to the point where he was motivated to murder people at one of the Planned Parenthood clinics featured in the CMP’s propaganda videos.
Crazy? No.
Fanatical? Absolutely, and people like Dave Daleiden and his enablers in the GOP fed the flames of this man’s rage….
Carla Akins November 29th, 2015 at 09:47
Great word choice.
Absolom Humblebug November 29th, 2015 at 17:05
“No more baby parts.” How engaged do you have to be to use a talking point to justify your bloodlust?
“Black lives matter”…”This is for Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin”… etc. etc.
Idiots who want to kill never have to look far for a reason. And even if you want to blame the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy, there is literally zero chance of affixing civil liability.
Darksnark November 29th, 2015 at 21:51
Dave Daleiden shouldn’t bet on that.
A direct link can be shown between his anti-abortion propaganda campaign and Friday’s shootings in Colorado Springs – including the fact that the killer is spouting-off the very-same “baby-parts” theme that’s the backbone of the CMP’s concocted claims against Planned Parenthood.
And keep in mind the fact that civil proceedings have a much lower burden of proof than criminal trials do….
Absolom Humblebug November 29th, 2015 at 22:01
Yes. A preponderance of the evidence standard. But tortious liability still requires you to prove “proximate cause” — the “but for..” standard. I.e. “But for the fact that Dave Daleiden had made such statements” — which also must be provably false, in any case — “this sad person would never have inflicted such damage and loss of life”. And when you’re dealing with verbal causes, which implicate the First Amendment’s Freedom of Speech, the standard gets about ten times more difficult to meet. So even if this guy was having nightly confabs with Dave on this very topic for a week before the shooting — even if he was telling him how much he wanted to go shoot up a PP clinic — there is no way you can meet that burden.
As I said, this is a country full of very angry people. Some of them are looking for a reason to kill. They never need to look far to find a reason. I open my Sunday newspaper front page and I can find four or five.
maggie November 29th, 2015 at 22:25
the monsters who commit these massacres fantasize they will be heroes in the eyes of all the hate chatters on every media stream….and their self-esteem is so low that they live for the approval of fellow hate mongers….this makes them more valuable in their own eyes….Danleiden, Troy, Robert Dear…put them all in the same cell and walk away and forget them…
Absolom Humblebug November 29th, 2015 at 23:00
I doubt he wanted to be a ‘hero’. He was a 57 year old nobody who lived in a trailer. He just wanted company for his inevitable suicide, and a good pretext to do it. He’s just a pathetic loser who wanted an audience. The US may unfortunately glamorize the pathology of the “mass killer” or “serial killer” way too much, but nobody heroizes them.
maggie November 29th, 2015 at 23:04
in his own mind….
maggie November 29th, 2015 at 23:05
it makes him feel important
tracey marie November 29th, 2015 at 23:08
no suicide, he surrendered
Absolom Humblebug November 30th, 2015 at 00:03
Yes, after HOURS of shooting through walls and out into the street. He just lost his nerve.
tracey marie November 30th, 2015 at 10:32
he surrendered, period.
Darksnark November 30th, 2015 at 04:43
That “proximate cause” would be Dave Daleiden and the CMP shouting “fire!” in the theater by accusing Planned Parenthood of trafficking in fetal organs.
And the terrorist in question didn’t just attack any random Planned Parenthood office. He shot-up the very same Colorado Springs office featured in one of the CMP’s bogus propaganda videos. Put that fact in front of a civil jury and we’ll see how they rule….
Absolom Humblebug November 30th, 2015 at 04:57
That’s what plaintiff lawyers call “a loser.”
maggie November 29th, 2015 at 22:21
that’s right…send the CMP to prison….sue the MIPR for their millions…bleed them dry
KABoink_after_wingnut_hacker November 29th, 2015 at 07:29
And the rightwing propaganda machine is gearing up for another “mentally ill lone wolf” scenario when the problem is clearly their sensational lies that provoke paranoid bigots with easy access to guns.
mistlesuede November 29th, 2015 at 12:11
Agreed.
maggie November 29th, 2015 at 12:14
he’s not mentally ill he’s a hate monger….it’s a hate crime…he’s a domestic terrorist fed on the god and guns agenda that they have in every state where ministers of conservative churches and the NRA join forces….he’s a domestic terrorist and the center for medical progress ..the mahattan inst for public policy research…these are his dogmas and financers….and the GOP who support domestic terrorism….colorado had a democrat politician who was passing gun control laws and they recalled him …colorado ans are spineless cowards…;(
Carla Akins November 29th, 2015 at 15:51
thank you Maggie, I agree.
Robert M. Snyder November 29th, 2015 at 22:35
Bernie Sanders has suggested that global warming is responsible for the rise of violent groups like ISIS. Does global warming only affect people in Arab countries, or can this guy use the global warming defense too?
tracey marie November 29th, 2015 at 23:09
what an ass you are
Carla Akins November 30th, 2015 at 08:44
No, not really. A severe drought in Syria, worsened by a warming climate, drove Syrian farmers to abandon their crops and flock to cities, helping trigger a civil war that has killed hundreds of thousands of people.
It doesn’t mean it won’t happen here, just not tomorrow.
This guy’s issue is more inflammatory rhetoric (his own) reinforced by loons like Alex Jones and Clive Bundy. Groups like supporting sovereign citizens and even the current candidates and “mainstream” news feed this type paranoia.
These folks don’t trust Obama, so using available sources to get mental health care seems unlikely.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2015/03/150302-syria-war-climate-change-drought/
Robert M. Snyder November 30th, 2015 at 13:45
If media and messages are part of the problem, then shouldn’t we also be asking about the effects of countless Hollywood movies, TV shows, and video games in which the good guys are always solving problems by killing the bad guys? I have never heard a conservative talk show host advocate or even imply that listeners should resort to violence. But every time I flip through the channels on my TV, I see vivid examples of heroes solving problems by killing villains. I suspect that psychologists might be just as concerned about the latter as the former.
whatthe46 November 30th, 2015 at 13:55
and those movies have been around for ages and we don’t have people mocking what they see in the movies now do we? this is about already paranoid idiots, racist and bigots, who needs know they are not alone and fox lies and rw radio talk shows feed them what they want to hear. and that’s their cue to go out and terrorize.
Robert M. Snyder November 30th, 2015 at 14:35
I wonder why nobody answered the question about whether it’s okay to create a movie in which the hero shoots up abortion clinics. If movies don’t affect people’s actions, then you would have no problem with such a movie, right?
whatthe46 November 30th, 2015 at 14:41
for Christ sake, you’re dense. and only an idiot would call someone shooting up an abortion clinic a fk’n hero.
Robert M. Snyder November 30th, 2015 at 14:45
Only an idiot would shoot up an abortion clinic, but idiots exist, and one just did.
You haven’t answered my question. If such a movie were created, would you be concerned that it might inspire others to commit violence?
Bunya November 30th, 2015 at 15:16
Documentaries already exist depicting despicable acts perpetrated against Planned Parenthood. And since many feeble-minded people already believe the crap Carly Fiorina is parroting lies put out by a Christian “pro-life” group, they’re stupid enough to believe an imaginary attack on PP depicted on the big screen is real.
Robert M. Snyder November 30th, 2015 at 15:24
“they’re stupid enough to believe an imaginary attack on PP depicted on the big screen is real”
Okay. Now we’re making progress. You’re admitting that violent movies might actually influence the behavior of some individuals. So what do you propose to do about these violent movies?
Bunya November 30th, 2015 at 15:47
Violent movies might influence the behavior of some, providing we have “news” sources passing off fictitious movies as fact. Fox “News” hasn’t claimed the movie “Rambo” is factual – yet, which is why VietNam veterans aren’t going on killing sprees.
Gina Bousquet November 30th, 2015 at 15:49
In Professor Chomsky’s opinion your Party has gone so far to the Right it’s now impossible to call it a Party, they would be insurgents actually. That’s what we are talking about, such spewing of lies, hate and fury to incite the base that they can put a st*p*d conservative like Dear in motion. The man rambled about “baby parts” when surrendering, that’s not random!
Robert M. Snyder November 30th, 2015 at 16:02
As a software developer, I respect Noam Chomsky’s contributions to the field of linguistics. I also respect Ben Carson’s contributions to the field of pediatric neurology. But I don’t consider either of them to have any special insight into the complexities of contemporary political issues. In fact, it seems to me that they are both living in a utopian fantasy world.
Gina Bousquet November 30th, 2015 at 16:06
The conservative world has the monopoly of fantasy world.
Robert M. Snyder November 30th, 2015 at 16:19
Yeah, because Governor Moonbeam’s high-speed rail project is going to save the planet. You’re funny!
Obewon November 30th, 2015 at 20:25
Pope decrees ‘STFU climate denier Snyder. You’ll find yourself burning in Hell throughout Eternity!’-Papal decree from 2013 denouncing far-right conservatives as a ‘cancer on the church’ ‘brought about by a lack of true prayer.’ Update today. http://www.alan.com/2015/11/30/pope-world-headed-toward-suicide-without-climate-agreement/
whatthe46 November 30th, 2015 at 16:37
the idiot who murdered, did it because of the fk’n lies he hears over and over again like a damn scratched vinyl record. and i’m sure he has watched violent movies and yet he chose to murder people at the PP, not because of what he has seen in some fictional program you damn dumbass. you’re starting to piss me off.
tracey marie November 30th, 2015 at 14:48
movies are not real life you dummy
Robert M. Snyder November 30th, 2015 at 14:52
Okay, so if someone creates a movie that glorifies shooting up an abortion clinic, you would not have any concerns about that, right? You don’t think anyone would be inspired to commit violence by that movie?
tracey marie November 30th, 2015 at 15:18
again you dummy, straw men arguments about fiction are not real life…however your kinds call for violence and death are real world.
Robert M. Snyder November 30th, 2015 at 15:25
You’re deflecting. Grow a spine and answer the question.
tracey marie November 30th, 2015 at 15:32
nope, I answered your straw man argument twice, you just did not like the truth in my statement. go play in traffic
whatthe46 November 30th, 2015 at 15:39
exactly. we can explain it to him 10 ways to Sunday and that idiot will ask the same damn question again.
tracey marie November 30th, 2015 at 15:51
he knows he lost, typical rw approach to life…stutter through life.
Robert M. Snyder November 30th, 2015 at 15:53
Would you be concerned about a film that glorifies shooting up an abortion clinic? YES or NO?
whatthe46 November 30th, 2015 at 16:19
goodness tracey, i had to put my head down on my desk. i am holding in my laughter. i wanna crack so bad. he just sent another post to william.
William November 30th, 2015 at 16:03
You’re blaming Sylvester Stallone and TV for the murder of three people at a planned parenthood clinic…yet tracey marie is the one “deflecting” https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2797b702bc6a40a2ccdd598bde45f63d83c55693d35ab0d6972290848bd8a59b.jpg
Robert M. Snyder November 30th, 2015 at 16:17
You’re blaming Fox News and conservative media outlets. I am simply saying that IF you blame them, then you might as well blame Hollywood movies that glorify violence.
People who express political opinions often characterize their opponents in unflattering ways. You do it to me all the time. Expressing disapproval of what other people say or do is allowed under the First Amendment. You and I and Fox News have a right to express our views.
What many Hollywood movies do is to create a perception that the only way to solve problems is to kill people.
So the news media identify things that people find objectionable. The question of what to do about it is another issue. And that’s where Hollywood comes in. Hollywood says that they way to solve problems is through violence. Hollywood glorifies violence.
William November 30th, 2015 at 16:30
This has absolutely nothing to do with Hollywood. Crazy, right wing, nut job murderer didn’t yell “Yo Adrian”, “I’ll be back” or any action movie catch phrase. He yelled something directly from the script of Fiorina’s fake video.
“Hollywood says that they way to solve problems is through violence.”
Just because you never viewed a movie like Gandhi, or The Miracle worker doesn’t mean the rest of us haven’t. I like the three Stooges, yet I’ve never hit anyone with a hammer.
Blaming Hollywood is simply deflecting.
Robert M. Snyder November 30th, 2015 at 16:44
Blaming Fox is simply deflecting. Millions of people watch the same news and do not commit violence. The fact is that in a free society, there will always be nut jobs and there is nothing that you or I can do about it. You want to believe in the fantasy that we have control over these things. We do not. If Fox News broadcast Captain Kangaroo every day, all day, there would still be nut jobs committing violence. But you continue to cling to the fantasy that if only we suppress free speech, nobody will ever commit violence. Wouldn’t that be nice. It’s a great fantasy. Now let’s get real. Ted Bundy lived in a shack where he had no TV, at a time when Fox News did not yet exist.
William November 30th, 2015 at 16:48
You missed the gist of the issue…again.
Here I’ll post a picture for you https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/031878e9525cf950038184773d4dfb07bf1531582fea3a0f69b4ceff987c15db.jpg
Robert M. Snyder November 30th, 2015 at 17:06
Your drawing left out the millions of people who saw the same things as Dear and did NOT commit violence. If millions of people take Tylenol, and one of them gets sick, do we take Tylenol off the shelves? What’s your solution? Rescind the first amendment? Then who will get to decide what opinions are acceptable? Face it, there will always be nut jobs. That is no reason to shut down free speech.
William November 30th, 2015 at 17:21
Your drawing left out the millions of people who saw the same things as Dear and did NOT commit violence
BINGO.
Do you know what we call those people?
We call them people who don’t watch Fox or believe that phony video.
Shut down free speech?
When did I advocate that?
Please point out in this medium or any written or oral argument where I advocated against free speech.
Your diversions are tiresome. Tylenol? Really? What happened to the Rambo argument?
We live in a country where idiots are completely free to get their simple minds washed by a “news” network owned by two foreigners who teach idiots to hate their country. That doesn’t make their lies any less disgusting.
Clearly and as plain as the nose on my face, Dear shouted out something he learned from right wing propaganda.
Planned parenthood is not leaving babies to die on a metal table so they can sell the organs. Fox has NEVER walked back that story or told their audience the film was BS. Lying to your audience isn’t a crime. In fact Fox sued for that right.
That is a simple truth.https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4c7a5b809effdeced451a796b9cfe56ca1b708f95a03a80f39f5d94dc66bb4af.jpg
Carla Akins November 30th, 2015 at 19:47
Ted Bundy did not love in a shack but he was a sociopath. I believe you mean Ted Kazinski whom was clearly severally mentally ill. Neither which have anything to do with easily susceptible low IQ folks that believe Fox News , is news and accurate, and not biased.
The same type of “follower” behavior can be found in churches, cults and even friendships. It incites folks into action because they only understand the hate, not the exaggeration.
Robert M. Snyder November 30th, 2015 at 20:04
Do you ever stop to consider the depth of your own bias? Do you really think that low-IQ people only gravitate to Fox News? Why would anyone with an IQ over 30 bother to watch Al Sharpton?
Now let me be clear. I don’t think there is anything wrong with having a point of view. At our age, how could we NOT be somewhat biased due to our different life experiences? But please don’t pretend that liberals are smarter than conservatives, or less biased. I worked in a factory for a year after high school. Then I spent two years at a liberal arts college, three years at a state university, then worked at a university for five more years, and then worked five years at a software company owned and managed by Quakers. I’ve met many people from different countries and different parts of this country. I see no correlation between political orientation and intelligence. The vast majority of Americans spend far less time thinking about politics than we do, and are probably less well-informed. Most could not find Syria on a map. They may be very intelligent people and great at their jobs. But few people have the time or the inclination to do research on every political issue that appears in the news. And the fact is that it’s very hard to know whom to trust. You seem to trust National Geographic. If you worked there for a year, and got to know their staff, you’d probably trust them less. After working for five years in a very good research lab, I stopped putting scientists on pedestals. The scientific method is a wonderful thing, but it still requires dispassionate application by scientists who have a high degree of self-discipline. Not all scientists and scientific publications get A grades in this area.
Carla Akins November 30th, 2015 at 20:32
Fox was simply one example, not the totality of misinformation. In a previous comment I included political candidates and others that by virtue of their position – should know and be telling the truth.
I did not imply Republican’s were stupid, you’re conflating my comments with those posted by others. I only mentioned my college courses because you called my education/knowledge into question. A well read person can offer far more insight and knowledge than a college graduate.
And as a note: the National Geographic is hardly a partisan publication, you can vet the scientific study used to make the climate change statement, if you bother to take the time to do so.
Carla Akins November 30th, 2015 at 20:38
Oh, and I forgot – I spent my life as a Republican. I voted for Bush – twice. I’m certain you have no idea of the amount of information you must read, with an open mind in order to change parties. So don’t even start about awareness of my own bias – I’ve lived it and am intimately aware of the necessity of familiarizing myself with both sides – equally and with an open mind. Based on your comments, I’m not sure you can make the same claim.
Robert M. Snyder November 30th, 2015 at 21:24
“am intimately aware of the necessity of familiarizing myself with both sides – equally and with an open mind”
I was raised in a mostly-conservative, Protestant household. My Dad voted for Jack Kennedy in 1960. He was a nature lover who abhorred hunting and opposed the death penalty. The primary rule in my household was to play by the rules and not to expect a handout.
Dad became more conservative as the years went by. He joined the NRA, but never owned a gun except a .22 for killing chipmunks that damaged the landscaping. I also voted for Bush twice, but by the end of his second term I couldn’t stand the sound of his voice and routinely shut off the TV when he came on.
When Obama ran for office, I initially found him very attractive and send links to several friends encouraging them to check him out. I switch from R to D in order to help Obama beat Hillary in the primary. I voted for Obama in the general election. All of this really disappointed my father, whom became visibly angry at times. I think he took it is a rejection of the principles he had taught me. I was never really certain. We patched things up, but our relationship was never as easygoing as before. Dad died two years ago, and I still regret the tasteless Palin jokes and Huckabee jokes that I sent to him. I think I crossed the line.
I have wrestled with the liberal/conservative divide for most of my adult life. The summer after my first year at a liberal arts college was the only time in my life that I seriously considered suicide. The liberals I have known have a way of making people feel like they’re never good enough. Most of the people in the church where I grew up were somewhat liberal. It was a UCC church, one of the more liberal offshoots of the Protestant church. The adults had an after-worship discussion group that met weekly to explore how Christianity could be applied to contemporary issues. (It was called the Issues Class). Everyone in that room had a point of view, and disagreements were not uncommon. But I never heard any name calling (except when it was clearly in jest). These people all lived in or near the same small town, and there was a strong sense of community. There was a librarian and several school teachers. There were also some farmers, a real estate business owner, an engineer, etc. There were many points of view, but each person was respected, even if their opinions were criticized.
In those days I never considered myself liberal or conservative. And if you asked me today, I would say that I am a little of each. I suspect that you might say the same. I’m not even sure the two things are opposites.
Obewon November 30th, 2015 at 20:14
GOP TV admitted in court ‘nobody believes FNC. everyone knows it’s “Entertainment” ‘-NewsCorp Attorneys.
Obewon November 30th, 2015 at 20:13
His only valid comment is that ‘GOP TV is less accurate than any b-grade made for TV gossip-film.’-Synder. Point won!
Carla Akins November 30th, 2015 at 19:39
Has nothing to do with movies and does not apply to this story. You started this line of question after I gave my personal opinion on his mental status – which was in no way based on a movie. You followed w/ Sander’s climate change claim contributing to the civil war.I offered documentation from a reputable source and somehow that translates into me proving fictional movies apply. None of which applies, nor did anyone allude to this being a fact.
whatthe46 November 30th, 2015 at 15:38
for crying out loud he’s such a dumbass.
tracey marie November 30th, 2015 at 15:39
At this point he is just trolling
William November 30th, 2015 at 16:01
OK ,OK, if someone made a movie about radioactive lizards killing puppies with swords made from Legos..THEN would you admit it’s all the fault of butter?
tracey marie November 30th, 2015 at 16:01
lol, you are the best!
whatthe46 November 30th, 2015 at 16:06
great one William.
Bunya November 30th, 2015 at 15:07
It’s quite simple, really. Most low level thinkers watch Fox “News”. Most of what Fox reports as fact is actually a load of bullsh*t .
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Here’s an example: prior to 2010, every night on his show, Bill O’Reilly would throw out BS, ad nauseum, to his audience about Dr. Tiller, and crazy morons like Scott Roeder actually BELIEVED his crap. Thinking, in his mind, that Dr. Tiller was actually killing little babies (maybe going into hospital nurseries and slaughtering newborns), he decided the poor doctor had to be stopped. So he killed him.
Robert M. Snyder November 30th, 2015 at 15:17
Why is it that nobody has given a direct answer to the question of whether a movie that glorifies shooting up an abortion clinic would be cause for concern? Doesn’t anybody have the guts to answer this question? Apparently not. Would you be concerned that such a movie might inspire people to commit violence against abortion providers? Yes or no?
Bunya November 30th, 2015 at 15:40
Religious nutjobs are ALREADY committing violence against abortion providers. And since these crazies don’t know the difference between reality and fiction, they’re likely to attack a clinic in response to such a movie. Case in point; they already believe the debunked story (from an extremely unreliable source) that PP is selling fetus parts.
William November 30th, 2015 at 15:58
Why is it that nobody has given a direct answer to the question of whether a movie that glorifies shooting up an abortion clinic would be cause for concern?
When and IF someone produces that movie, I’ll be happy to comment on it.
For now it seems you are trying to divert from the facts.
Movies? Rambo? Really.
Here are the facts.
A CONSERVATIVE with a gun and an agenda fueled by other CONSERVATIVES murdered three people because of out right lies propagated by CONSERVATIVES.
Hollywood and Rambo have nothing to do with it.
This is your bagger agenda, at least have the decency to own it
Carla Akins November 30th, 2015 at 19:34
Because it has nothing to do with the subject at hand, nor any response another reader has offered. You;re the one that went off on this tangent.
Bunya November 30th, 2015 at 13:57
The difference is, the villain that is killed in one movie, is resurrected to star in another. Everybody knows that’s how it works. Why don’t you? A problem arises when a television station posing as a news source (Fox, for example) reports fictitious activities as fact.
Robert M. Snyder November 30th, 2015 at 14:09
Okay, so if everybody knows that something depicted on TV is “just pretend”, then are you saying it’s okay to create a movie in which the hero shoots up abortion clinics? After all, it’s “just pretend” and everybody knows that none of the actors were really hurt.
If it’s not okay to create a movie in which the hero shoots up abortion clinics, then why is it okay to create a movie in which John Rambo shoots up a North Vietnamese POW camp? If someone believes that abortion is the taking of an innocent life, and that person watches Rambo: First Blood, will they be more likely or less likely to shoot up an abortion clinic after watching the movie?
William November 30th, 2015 at 14:17
If someone believes that abortion is the taking of an innocent life, and that person watches Rambo: First Blood, will they be more likely or less likely to shoot up an abortion clinic after watching the movie?
I KNEW IT!
Sylvester Stallone is to blame.
Carla Akins November 30th, 2015 at 19:33
You have gotten way off track. The point was that political candidates and “supposed experts” on news (or news-adjacent) offer information as fact, not a fictional movie, tv show or book. Their emotion filled rhetoric all but calls for action.
The information provided on climate change and its affect on Syrian’s civil war was based on factual data and offered by a reputable magazine, the National Geographic.
Skewing it off into movie’s and what-not is disingenuous at best.
Robert M. Snyder December 1st, 2015 at 17:13
“The information provided on climate change and its affect on Syrian’s civil war was based on factual data and offered by a reputable magazine, the National Geographic.”
More info to consider:
http://www.cato.org/blog/current-wisdom-did-human-caused-climate-change-lead-war-syria
tracey marie November 30th, 2015 at 13:58
that is a lie…everyday the rwnj’s call for violence, hate and the killing of “those people”. Own your hate bagger
William November 30th, 2015 at 14:10
Hollywood movies, video games and sitcoms don’t pretend to be real.
Unlike Fiorina and the fair and balanced people who represented a fake video about babies being slaughtered for their body parts.
I do however concede that the right is typically too stupid to separate fact from fiction. …but
Nice try.
Not as creative as when Fox reported this as a failed bank robbery, but nice try anyway. Blame Hollywood and TV, not the people who tried to convince a nation that PPH was selling body parts.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to go get my wife out of that water tower (she’s been watching Petticoat Junction reruns).
Carla Akins November 30th, 2015 at 14:18
Movies do not affect one’s ability to earn a living or grow food. Movies do not create mass migration due to droughts. Let’s be reasonable when comparing issues that have a real impact.
whatthe46 November 30th, 2015 at 14:25
tRumps degrading remarks about mexicans has caused 2 white males to beat a hispanic man and tRumps response to that was “they love their country.” all of the people rooting for tRump are racist and bigots and tRump has amped them up. own your hate.
Obewon November 30th, 2015 at 20:06
#1 American enemies are already GOP Terrorists!
RWNJ’s average 337 domestic terror attacks per year since 9/11/01’-Fact “right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities.”http://www.alan.com/2015/11/30/youre-7-times-more-likely-to-be-killed-by-a-right-wing-extremist-than-a-muslim-terrorist/
Robert M. Snyder November 30th, 2015 at 20:16
“337 domestic terror attacks per year”
320 million US residents. So domestic terrorists are one in a million. Is the cup half full, or half empty?
Obewon November 30th, 2015 at 20:27
Pope Francis decrees ‘STFU climate denier Snyder. You’ll find yourself burning in Hell throughout Eternity!’-Papal decree from 2013 denouncing far-right conservative “Ideologues” as a ‘cancer on the church’ ‘brought about by a lack of true prayer.’ Update today. http://www.alan.com/2015/11/30/pope-world-headed-toward-suicide-without-climate-agreement/
Anomaly 100 November 29th, 2015 at 08:26
I’m just going to leave this here.
https://twitter.com/Anomaly100/status/670771962021601280
Warman1138 November 29th, 2015 at 10:00
As the mayor said, a misdirected ideologue. ( eye roll to the top )
William November 29th, 2015 at 10:24
Where would he have ever gotten such a crazy idea?
mistlesuede November 29th, 2015 at 12:10
I was just going to name her the same way and then saw your comment!
Karen Barton November 30th, 2015 at 06:14
maggie November 29th, 2015 at 12:20
colorado…stop being such spineless cowards
CHOCOL8MILK November 29th, 2015 at 14:10
And conservative GOP Christians don’t believe that there are crazy terrorist Christians out there.
Frank Foster November 29th, 2015 at 19:11
Remember crazy don’t like to be called crazy…and they sure won’t call one of their own that.
Robert M. Snyder November 30th, 2015 at 15:52
Millions of people watch Fox News and other conservative news outlets. But only one man found it necessary to shoot up a clinic. What’s your theory on that?
Obewon November 30th, 2015 at 20:19
1 M “Total daily FOX News viewers” isn’t “Millions”
Jezz your “software” must really suck. Java? You went MSFT?
Jodie November 30th, 2015 at 16:20
The GOP still won’t admit that it was one of their own that did this. One of the GOP presidential candidates tried to say it was a liberal that did this. Yeah, right. This guy sounds like 95% of the GOP members to me.