GOP Senator: I Lecture Women On Abortion Because It’s A ‘Men’s Issue’
We naturally expect right-wing Republicans to say patently ridiculous–not to mention inaccurate–things, but I do believe that Oklahoma GOP Senator James Lankford has now jumped to the head of the class when it comes to stupid, bizarre statements that are both false and incomprehensible when subjected to logic and reason.
During a debate on the Senate floor about whether or not to defund Planned Parenthood, Lankford proclaimed that the “culture has been wrong” to allow abortion.
Which led to this response from California Democrat Barbara Boxer:
I just don’t like lectures by men about what it’s like. I’m pro-choice and I just have to say, using pregnancy as a political football doesn’t sit well with the people I represent and the people of this country.We have to respect one another. I respect your view entirely. I’m asking you to respect mine. Keep Uncle Sam out of my private life and my children’s and my grandkids’ and your’s. Families will make these decisions with their God, with their doctor….READ MORE at LiberalAmerica.org
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By: Andrew Bradford
Andrew Bradford is an author, academic, and political activist who lives in Atlanta. He is a Senior Writer for Liberal America and also has his own blog at deepleftfield.info
214 responses to GOP Senator: I Lecture Women On Abortion Because It’s A ‘Men’s Issue’
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Larry Schmitt August 4th, 2015 at 17:16
Yeah, it’s a “men’s issue” because of all those men out there having babies.
An American in Canada August 4th, 2015 at 17:29
Larry, you know if we had the babies, abortions would be free, legal and promoted by Jesus!
allison1050 August 4th, 2015 at 20:05
And fully covered by ins.
The Original Just Me August 4th, 2015 at 21:27
And Priests would always be pregnant.
Laura911 August 4th, 2015 at 17:35
Jesus Tapdancing Christ on a Cracker.
Warman1138 August 4th, 2015 at 18:59
Jumping Jehoshaphat tapping on a typewriter.
The Original Just Me August 4th, 2015 at 21:25
But in the bedroom ?
The Original Just Me August 4th, 2015 at 21:24
I though it was the head of a pin. Oh No, that is the written version of the Bible.
Laura911 August 5th, 2015 at 09:31
That’s angels, you heretic!
Suzanne McFly August 4th, 2015 at 17:35
I wish these “men” would get their own vaginas to worry about.
F_cons August 4th, 2015 at 19:29
And everyone one of them forced, without any choice, to carry to term a baby, using natural (no pain killers) child birth. How fast this BS would end!
Suzanne McFly August 4th, 2015 at 20:29
All we would have to do is have one of them go through a cycle for one month and this will never be an issue again.
whatthe46 August 4th, 2015 at 20:59
Suzanne, have a laugh. i posted a video above your head.
The Original Just Me August 4th, 2015 at 21:23
Men know all about “THE CYCLE”.
Suzanne McFly August 4th, 2015 at 21:32
No, you know about us bitching about the cycle, buy you do not know all about the cycle. We have secret meetings and we are sworn to not let men know the truth about the cycle.
The Original Just Me August 4th, 2015 at 22:26
Secret Meetings AKA Girls Night Out.
Suzanne McFly August 5th, 2015 at 11:17
Wink, wink
The Original Just Me August 5th, 2015 at 21:52
Is that what it means when women Wink, Wink, at me in the grocery Store ? I just thought they had something in their eye.
whatthe46 August 4th, 2015 at 20:55
you mean like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtR_-MINR1o
Suzanne McFly August 4th, 2015 at 21:13
Awesome video, I laughed from beginning to the end.
whatthe46 August 4th, 2015 at 21:24
“don’t touch me.” lol
Suzanne McFly August 4th, 2015 at 21:33
He told his wife to quit laughing, made me laugh that much harder.
The Original Just Me August 4th, 2015 at 21:22
Men would soon made it a Competition Sport, Build huge Birthing Areas, Charge admission and get TV Rights, and get Very, Very Rich.
whatthe46 August 4th, 2015 at 21:36
if any survives.
The Original Just Me August 4th, 2015 at 22:25
Well, it would be Major League Sports so illegal drugs would be in Full Blossom.
whatthe46 August 4th, 2015 at 22:30
question. would you take the contraction challenge?
The Original Just Me August 4th, 2015 at 22:38
I like the words but I am going to have to Google that one.—— Okay, I’m back. That’s a new one on me. I’ll have to do more reading. WOW, the things you learn here.
whatthe46 August 4th, 2015 at 22:42
i put a video up. watch it and get back to me.
The Original Just Me August 4th, 2015 at 22:52
Were they wearing Depends ?
whatthe46 August 4th, 2015 at 22:54
lol. would you try it? it would be great if all you guys here gave it a go to see who could last the longest.
The Original Just Me August 4th, 2015 at 23:13
Actually a few years back, Yes I would. I’m weird, but I like to learn and experience. Now days, slightly different story. I have three open Hernias so something would definitely pop out. Also, now days I feel very little pain unless it is deep and strong. Yes, I think I would feel that. I was there with my wife, holding her hand ( Damn she has a grip. ) when our first two children were born. But the third time, a new doctor, didn’t think I could handle it. All he did was come out to the delivery room and say; Do you want it to be circumcised.
whatthe46 August 4th, 2015 at 23:21
“Do you want it to be circumcised.” how funny.
The Original Just Me August 4th, 2015 at 23:31
True story.
whatthe46 August 4th, 2015 at 23:34
that’s hilarious.
The Original Just Me August 4th, 2015 at 21:19
We tried but God said NO, those are for your women friends only.
Suzanne McFly August 4th, 2015 at 21:30
I don’t blame her, she knows how dangerous they are. You can’t just be handing them out like candy.
whatthe46 August 4th, 2015 at 21:36
lol
The Original Just Me August 4th, 2015 at 22:30
To the Privileged few. The rest of us are Beggars.
labman57 August 4th, 2015 at 18:39
“Twas my seed that did the deed, so women must heed and follow my lead!”
The Original Just Me August 4th, 2015 at 21:18
Okay, what ever you say.
Warman1138 August 4th, 2015 at 19:01
Lankford should avoid parks, he might get mugged by squirrels.
whatthe46 August 4th, 2015 at 19:09
LOL
whatthe46 August 4th, 2015 at 19:09
stolen.
The Original Just Me August 4th, 2015 at 21:17
But he works with Squirrels.
whatthe46 August 4th, 2015 at 19:03
wonder how he feels about women/girls who were raped or girls getting pregnant because of incest. my body is my business.
F_cons August 4th, 2015 at 19:31
pills between knees, puritan clothes and not sleeping in your own house will prevent problems (/s – did I need to show that?)
whatthe46 August 4th, 2015 at 19:35
nope. delete it.
The Original Just Me August 4th, 2015 at 21:17
DIDO !
Tommie August 5th, 2015 at 00:05
Anybody named F_cons is alright in our book!!
The Original Just Me August 4th, 2015 at 21:16
Your Business—-ER—-Comment is interesting.
whatthe46 August 4th, 2015 at 21:38
silly.
The Original Just Me August 4th, 2015 at 23:33
I usually like to laugh but just for a change, once in awhile, I like to giggle.
Hirightnow August 4th, 2015 at 20:02
Senator Lankford is the man on the right.
Logic is the man on the left.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhJQp-q1Y1s
Nuff sed.
whatthe46 August 4th, 2015 at 20:56
check out the video i posted below. i’m crying laughing.
allison1050 August 4th, 2015 at 20:03
He even looks strictly missionary.
Obewon August 4th, 2015 at 20:55
That Oki Senator looks so creepy. He’s hiding plenty! Don’t mess with a missionary man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-Q3cp3cp88
Suzanne McFly August 4th, 2015 at 21:17
I love Annie Lennox
allison1050 August 4th, 2015 at 21:39
lol
The Original Just Me August 4th, 2015 at 21:13
Looks ain’t everything.
allison1050 August 4th, 2015 at 21:37
He’s not the inquisitive type…look at him he’s wound tighter than a clock and I say give him something to chill with.
The Original Just Me August 4th, 2015 at 22:22
Playboy magazine ?
Suzanne McFly August 4th, 2015 at 21:15
With a bag covering his head, right?
allison1050 August 4th, 2015 at 21:35
Yeah, ’cause he might see somethin’ or wanna see more of somethin’. ;o)
Tommie August 4th, 2015 at 23:55
Haha! that is boring!
The Original Just Me August 4th, 2015 at 21:13
He is absolutely correct. It is a man’s issue. If it weren’t for men, women would not have to have abortions. Now Sen. Lankford, stop doing that to them.
Suzanne McFly August 4th, 2015 at 21:14
If all males were like him we wouldn’t have to worry about unwanted pregnancy, we would have to worry about the end of humankind.
The Original Just Me August 4th, 2015 at 22:32
Dinkie Do Syndrome. The belly sticks out farther than the Dinkie do
Tommie August 4th, 2015 at 22:51
I see he is the new Todd Aiken and will also destroy the right’s chances of getting in the White House! Mr, Lankford, thanks for your stupid comments since it will be used in many ads for the left! Damn dummy!!
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 00:23
When I was a kid, if a man got a woman pregnant, he was expected to take responsibility for the child, which meant also meant taking responsibility for the woman’s welfare. A man who did not ‘do the right thing’ was held in low esteem by other men. He was a bum. A deadbeat.
Legalized abortion has changed that. Now if a man gets a woman pregnant, he can say “Get an abortion.”, and if she decides to keep the baby instead, he can say “Well, that’s your decision, and I take no responsibility.”.
Giving women a choice (a good thing) has given men an excuse (a bad thing). As a result, men are no longer pressured by other men, or by their own mothers, or by anyone else, to take responsibility for the children they create. This has left millions of women with only two choices: abortion or single motherhood.
http://fathers.com/wp39/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/Children-Living-with-Mother-Only2.jpg
I am not suggesting that abortion should be criminalized. But I am very concerned about the steadily increasing rates of fatherlessness. Half of the children growing up in single-parent homes are boys, and boys desperately need fathers. Boys who grow up without fathers tend to have more problems in youth and in early adulthood. So in that respect this is a men’s issue.
By allowing women to choose, we have inadvertently given men an excuse to avoid responsibility. When men fail to take responsibility, women and children suffer. We have traded one set of problems for another.
Unfortunately, human males do not appear to have an overwhelming biological urge to care for their young. In order to compensate for this deficiency, every human civilization has created external forces (sticks and carrots) to encourage men to do the right thing. Societies have used shaming, shunning, and legal means (sticks) as well as giving greater status and privilege to married couples with children (carrots).
In modern America we have effectively removed most of the sticks and most of the carrots. Men living in modern America do not feel societal pressure to take responsibility for their offspring, and they do not see any particular advantage in doing so. As a result, we are seeing record-setting levels of fatherlessness.
If we care about children, then we need to look for solutions, meaning sticks and carrots. It is simply unacceptable for so many children to be growing up in fatherless homes. Saying that abortion should remain legal is not enough. It is not enough for the millions of fatherless children and it is not enough for their single mothers. We need to do what other societies have done in the past: encourage men to consider all of the benefits of fatherhood, while making it much harder for them to avoid responsibility.
It’s all well and good to talk about rights. But we also have to talk about responsibility. And that is definitely a men’s issue.
Leannie August 5th, 2015 at 08:36
It is a woman’s responsibility to make a man responsible for his actions??? So if we give woman a “choice”….as if “we” have any right to give or take a person’s choice over their own body…men become unresponsible??? Wow…..just wow.
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 13:37
In the 1960’s, ninety percent of men took responsibility for the children they fathered. Today only about six in ten take responsibility. Doesn’t that concern you? Don’t you care about the millions of young women who are struggling to raise kids on their own? Don’t you care about all of the children who have nobody to spend Father’s Day with? Haven’t you ever wondered why so many men are walking away from their responsibilities today as compared to fifty years ago? Are you asking me to believe that men are not using a woman’s right to choose as a convenient excuse for simply walking away?
Bunya August 5th, 2015 at 14:53
Society is changing. Things that used to be taboo 50 years ago are commonplace today. Kids today are being raised just fine without a father figure (eg. the POTUS). And nobody cares if men walk away from their responsibilities, because they now have an excuse (the brainchild of religious fanatics and/or insecure men, no doubt). They can blame women for all their bad choices .
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 15:03
” Kids today are being raised just fine without a father figure”
A few are. But I am astonished that liberals who rail about income inequality fail to recognize the significance of fatherhood inequality. I suspect that girls do pretty well with only a mother. But boys desperately need fathers. Being without a father is the worst type of impoverishment a boy could experience.
whatthe46 August 5th, 2015 at 15:18
and who are you placing the blame on? some parents divorce, some fathers choose not to be there and some fathers have passed or in recent cases were murdered by cops, leaving the mother to raise them.
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 15:48
I am not interested in placing blame. I am interested in exploring solutions. We can’t find solutions if we are too squeamish to discuss the causes. The inconvenient truth is that a lot of men are not taking responsibility for their children. You are correct to point out that some men die or get killed, and sometimes a marriage is just not worth saving. But I’ve known a lot of people who had father that did not take any interest in their children, and for those people it was very painful. It hurts to sit in a classroom and hear other kids talking about the fun things they did with their mothers and fathers over the weekend, when your own mother is working her butt off to put food on the table and you haven’t seen your dad in months. Those kids feel hurt, and that leads to anger and withdrawal. Judging by the statistics, we are now raising a generation of kids under those circumstances. I am very worried.
whatthe46 August 5th, 2015 at 19:23
then go be a big brother if you’re so damned concerned. but stay out of a woman’s GD BUSINESS because it’s none of YOURS. GOT IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 19:45
Learn to read. Seriously. You are hearing things that I haven’t even said.
whatthe46 August 5th, 2015 at 22:57
as long as you say, you are against a womans right to choose, then, i’m correct! as long as you think you have a right to control a woman, in this century, i will shut you down. as long as you agree with the repuking policy of “sharia” law, i will get pissy.
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 23:37
“as long as you say, you are against a womans right to choose”
But I never said that! I only said that it had some negative side-effects. Penicillin has side-effects. Stating that fact does not mean I want to outlaw penicillin.
whatthe46 August 5th, 2015 at 23:47
you make me want to vomit “AIR.” really are you serious? medications have side effects, yes! but, explain to me what negative side effects does an abortion have on YOU! or on anyone in society!
Bunya August 5th, 2015 at 15:18
How are fathers being discriminated against? Where have I been? Did I miss the great” deadbeat dad” march on Washington, demanding they be allowed to pay child support and/or the right to see the children they sired?
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 15:25
Sorry. Poor wording on my part. When I said “fatherhood inequality”, I was referring to the inequality between kids who have fathers and kids who don’t.
whatthe46 August 5th, 2015 at 15:27
take an aspirin. damn, take the whole bottle!
Leannie August 5th, 2015 at 15:54
A woman’s right to choose what happens to her own body has nothing to do with men taking or not taking responsibility for their children. I am not sure of the exact percentage of men who took care of their children in the 60’s….I do know however that mine didn’t…my mother had nothing to do with the choice he made to abandon his family. As women…we bare NO RESPONSIBILITY as to whether a man takes care of his children or not…that is all on men.
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 17:05
Like so many people today, on both the right and the left, you are looking at this from a purely legalistic standpoint. Bring a psychologist into the room and you will realize that there is a whole other dimension that we are ignoring. Laws and other social forces affect human behavior. I am not advocating for the repeal of Roe v. Wade. I am simply making the point that it affected how a lot of men view their obligations to toward their children. Why is that so hard to admit? If I said that ethanol fuel has some bad side-effects, you would probably say “Yes. It has some problems. But I still like ethanol.”. So why can’t you simply acknowledge that legalized abortion has caused a change in men’s thinking about children and responsibility? It is as plain as day. Jeez.
Leannie August 5th, 2015 at 17:16
I don’t acknowledge it because it makes no sense. I am sick and tired of women being held responsible for men’s choices, and even more frustrated that I still have to explain this to tiny minds.
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 17:25
You are looking at this purely from or moralistic/legalistic standpoint. I am looking at it from a sociological standpoint. Travel around the world and you will observe that men behave differently in different regions. These differences are not due to genetics. They are due to different cultural, social, and legal forces operating in each region. When we legalized abortion, we modified the cultural/social/legal environment in which men operate. The linkage is undeniable.
bpollen August 5th, 2015 at 17:29
But there were untold OTHER influences on how society behaves. You haven’t provided anything remotely like evidence that abortion had more than a very minor influence on how society has changed. I think inequality is a MUCH more pernicious influence even amongst those who are bound and determined to dictate what a woman can do with her body.
Leannie August 6th, 2015 at 14:19
Guess we will have to agree to disagree
whatthe46 August 5th, 2015 at 08:42
all that dribble and you still make no sense. and women have been having abortions long before roe v. wade. and it still isn’t any of your damn business.
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 13:31
I’m making it my business to discuss the impact that legalized abortion has had on society.
whatthe46 August 5th, 2015 at 13:35
you explain how it has had an impact on society let alone you. the same mouth breathing idiot who will agree to cut foodstamps for the needy (chilldren and elderly) and who don’t want affordable healthcare for all.
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 13:39
Did you read my original post? I think I explained it pretty well.
Here are the first three paragraphs again, for your convenience:
When I was a kid, if a man got a woman pregnant, he was expected to take responsibility for the child, which meant also meant taking responsibility for the woman’s welfare. A man who did not ‘do the right thing’ was held in low esteem by other men. He was a bum. A deadbeat.
Legalized abortion has changed that. Now if a man gets a woman pregnant, he can say “Get an abortion.”, and if she decides to keep the baby instead, he can say “Well, that’s your decision, and I take no responsibility.”.
Giving women a choice (a good thing) has given men an excuse (a bad thing). As a result, men are no longer pressured by other men, or by their own mothers, or by anyone else, to take responsibility for the children they create.
whatthe46 August 5th, 2015 at 13:43
you still make no damn sense. i don’t care how many times you repeat that garbage.
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 13:59
We clearly have a difference of opinion. That’s fine. It may interest you to know that I listened to Obama’s speech today, and some of his points were getting through to me. I found myself wondering whether I might have been TOO skeptical of the Iranians. The point is that when somebody takes the time to explain WHY they feel strongly about something, I do listen and think about where they are coming from. And that’s the reason why I take the time to explain why I feel the way I do about certain issues, because I hope that maybe the other person will better understand my concerns. And isn’t that the point that Obama was making today when he said that peace is not the absence of conflict, but the resolution of conflict by peaceful means? There will always be conflict between liberals and conservatives. But we’ll never resolve anything by calling each other names. If you want to persuade people, you have to work harder. It’s hard work. Just ask John Kerry. If you say that you don’t care what I think because I am some kind of evil scum, then you are basically doing what the war hawks do when they hurl insults at Iran instead of trying to reach some kind of mutual understanding.
Bunya August 5th, 2015 at 14:34
Abortion has nothing to do with giving men an excuse. Society and religious institutions have given them all the excuses they want. Back in the day, divorce and premarital sex were frowned upon. Nowadays if your NOT on your second and third spouse, you’re considered a pariah! As for babies born out of wedlock, the church actually CONDONES it, because it means the woman is now being punished for being a sinner, but more importantly it means more “Christians” (more Christians = more money = more power).
The Original Just Me August 5th, 2015 at 09:31
You point is back in the 40’s and 50’s. That makes it 60 to 70 years out of date. Being conservative means wanting things to remain the same and never change. You are definitely a conservative. Now, pull your head out and listen up. This is 2015, things have changed but men AND women are still having SEX. Yes, sometimes an unwanted conception happens but abortion IS a medical procedure that is used to correct MANY different situations and NOT JUST birth control. We NOW DAYS, have many ways in which to prevent unwanted conceptions, etc. birth control, therefore, abortion as a sole means of birth control is drastically falling. Get Your Nose Out Of Other Peoples SEX LIVES, BODYS, DOCTOR OFFICES, and go climb back into your Neanderthal Cave.
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 10:00
My comment addressed how legalized abortion has brought about a change in the relationships between men, women, and children. Your response completely ignored men and children, and focused solely on the needs of women. It seems a curious omission.
Dwendt44 August 5th, 2015 at 12:23
Contraception has changed the relationship between men and women. Women in the workplace has changed the relationship between men and women. Equal pay has changed the relationship between men and women. That list can go on and on.
We are in the 21st century, not the 19th. The exodus of good paying jobs, the inability to find a good paying job doesn’t help men (or women) support themselves much less a family. Not that Republicans, who protect the jobs pipeline, care much about that having an affect on supporting children.
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 12:30
If you are suggesting that other factors have contributed to the epidemic of fatherlessness, I will readily agree. But nothing you have said contradicts my assertion that legalized abortion has given men an excuse for not taking responsibility.
If I said that wind turbines had the unintended side-effect of causing bird deaths, I’m sure you would not deny it. Everything has side-effects. No solution is perfect.
My main point is that legalized abortion has affected everyone, including boys who eventually become men. So it is disingenuous to say that men have no right to an opinion. Our society is a fabric. You can’t pull at one thread without affecting the whole.
OldLefty August 5th, 2015 at 12:52
I don’t think men were ever part of the equation.
There are women who are married with children who have abortions, and single men who couldn’t care less either way.
One could say that the invention of condoms given men more of an excuse for not taking responsibility.
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 13:21
My older sister came into being when my dad was 18 and my mom was 17. Two years ago, just before Dad died, they celebrated sixty years of marriage. Condoms were plentiful in those days, but if the condom failed, a man was expected to do the right thing, at least in my community. And contrary to popular belief, a lot of those marriages worked out fine.
OldLefty August 5th, 2015 at 13:53
Sometimes that does happen.
Sometimes the outcome is disastrous.
I grew up in a small steel town.
Most often girls were left to their own devices. That was in the 1950’s.
As a nurse, I took care of people who represent both sides.
That is why we support choice.
And again, not everyone seek abortions are single women.
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 14:20
Girls are still left to their own devices when it comes to putting food on the table, getting the kids to doctor visits, arranging daycare (or night care if the mom works night shift). Sure, the government provides assistance, but that is no substitute for having a responsible partner to share the burdens and the joys.
And I want to emphasize the word “joys”, because raising children is joyful. It breaks my heart to know that so many people see parenting as nothing but a hassle. Granted, it’s not for everybody. But I wonder how many men avoid taking responsibility because they have been taught that parenting is a drag. Seeing the world through the eyes of a child is a wonderful experience. It makes the whole world look new again! Men who are afraid to consider fatherhood are missing out on some of the best experiences life has to offer.
cecilia August 5th, 2015 at 16:11
Then spend your time talking to MEN and stop telling women what they should do.
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 17:10
You need to read more carefully. There is not one place in this discussion where I am telling women what to do. That was the voice in your head, not my voice. I am simply saying that legalized abortion has had some negative side-effects. I never said it should be repealed. Penicillin has side-effects. Lots of things have side-effects. Why are you so squeamish about discussing them? We can’t move forward if people are afraid to face reality.
whatthe46 August 5th, 2015 at 18:16
negative side effects such as and according to who?
cecilia August 5th, 2015 at 18:40
you missed MY point. And that is that if you are this concerned then your job should be to talk seriously to a room full of MEN and teach them what you think is THEIR responsibilities.
Women are too busy raising the children of deadbeat jackasses. They don’t need anyone lecturing them.
And this BS that abortion gives the deadbeats an excuse to leave is just that. A LAME excuse.
Here’s the agenda: teach everyone how to properly use contraception. Insist to these “men” that it’s SHAMEFUL if they Don’t use contraception. They shouldn’t depend on women to be on contraception.
See how that works?
I know you are the man for this job…..ok, now, get on it
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 19:16
I’ve been doing it for years. My son and his friends have a name for it. Whenever I sit them down and speak with them about responsibilities, they call it a “Bob talk”. They laugh about it, because I am passionate, but they know I have their best interests at heart. Think globally, act locally, right?
The thing is that young men are reachable! They need that kind of guidance, not just from fathers, but from other male mentors. It’s not the kids that have changed. They come into this world with the same DNA and the same instincts (good and bad) that our grandfathers had. What’s changed is that too many men are afraid to speak with young people and encourage them to step back and look at their lives from a distance…to see the big picture. Us old guys can do that, and we SHOULD do that. The goal is not to dictate to young people, but to expand their horizons…to get them thinking about the long term and what kind of person they want to be.
One of the things I always tell young men is “Don’t have sex with a girl that you would not want to marry. Because every child deserves a father and a mother who are happy together.”.
When I was younger I kept most of these thoughts to myself. But now at age 55, I am speaking up about the things that concern me. Sorry you have to listen to it, but in this blog I am badly outnumbered. I am taking a lot more than I’m dishing out.
cecilia August 5th, 2015 at 22:06
well, at least you DO as you SAY.
I am a big believer in men have such talks with boys. Or parents just talking to their kids. It’s obvious, for example, that palin NEVER talked to her daughter (the one that got pregnant as a teen).
What a horrible mother palin is. ugh
as a child I KNEW my main responsibility was to get an education so that I could secure my future. And messing about with some stupid boy was counter-productive.
sex is for responsible grownups, not silly children. That doesn’t mean people shouldn’t have “experiences”….just that there’s the right time and place for everything.
no one should do ANYTHING just because it’s “cool”. But then I was never a follower.
I do what is right for ME and I don’t care what others think
bpollen August 5th, 2015 at 17:24
A certain percentage of men are self-involved, irresponsible assholes. Abortion didn’t CAUSE them to exist. It just gave them ONE MORE method of avoiding responsibility. MEN are the problem and not the ability of a woman to choose abortion.
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 17:36
It sounds as though we agree.
Bunya August 5th, 2015 at 14:25
“. And contrary to popular belief, a lot of those marriages worked out fine.”
.
Is that why the divorce rate is so high?
whatthe46 August 5th, 2015 at 13:44
“…legalized abortion has given men an excuse for not taking responsibility.” that’s so fk’n stupid. do you even read that crap before you post?
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 14:14
Are you a nun or what? You seem to have no earthly idea of how men think and behave.
whatthe46 August 5th, 2015 at 14:21
and you seem to think you know what’s fuckin’ best for women.
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 14:57
Ditto. I’m pretty sure my wife, sisters, and mother would not agree with everything that YOU think is best.
Bunya August 5th, 2015 at 15:12
What she thinks is best is women having the choice to make their own decisions. I certainly hope you don’t make all the decisions for your wife and daughters. If so, they need to be de-programmed ASAP.
whatthe46 August 5th, 2015 at 15:22
that’s exactly what it sounds like. he was raised to tell a woman she is to do what he says and think as he thinks. what is best for me is not to give a shit what some stranger, you or the government, telling me what’s best for my body.
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 15:24
“What she thinks is best is women having the choice to make their own decisions.”
Like the woman who chose not to cater a gay wedding? Or the woman who chose to kill a giraffe in Africa? Or the women who choose to use corporal punishment on their children? Or the women who choose to vote for conservatives? Explain to me how “pro-choice” works, because I’m not seeing it.
whatthe46 August 5th, 2015 at 15:26
damn you’re dumb.
Bunya August 5th, 2015 at 15:48
A woman has the choice whether or not to cater gay weddings, or kill giraffes, or condone corporal punishment or be a conservative. That’s her choice. Nobody can say to her, “you can’t have those beliefs, and I’ll work damn hard to make sure you don’t get the right to think for yourself!”.
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“Pro-choice” means a woman and her doctor should be making her health choices. I can guarantee you one thing; if only women could get cancer, the religious right and the men in this country would be rallying against any kind of cancer-fighting treatment.
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 16:59
“if only women could get cancer, the religious right and the men in this country would be rallying against any kind of cancer-fighting treatment.”
Those kinds of wild exaggerations accomplish nothing except to reveal your prejudice.
Bunya August 5th, 2015 at 17:29
Really? You don’t think women are being discriminated against? Why do some private insurance companies deny birth control coverage? Funny thing, Viagara is covered. Why does Hobby Lobby refuse to cover birth control for women? I don’t hear them crying about refusing to cover Cialis. They claim it’s their religious beliefs. I call bullshit on that excuse. The bible says nothing about birth control, no matter how hard you look.
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 17:37
Employer-based health insurance is an idea whose time has come and gone.
Bunya August 6th, 2015 at 10:31
Agreed. We should have universal healthcare. But it still doesn’t change the fact that society discriminates against women.
cecilia August 5th, 2015 at 16:07
unlike you I would NEVER tell another women what to do in her life
Bunya August 5th, 2015 at 14:24
Abortion has been around way before Roe v. Wade. Unfortunately it was only available to women who had their husband’s permission. However, it wasn’t called abortion back then. It was called a “D&C”.
The only thing that’s changed is that women don’t need a man’s permission to make their decisions for them.
whatthe46 August 5th, 2015 at 14:28
thank you. it’s all about control. has been and that is what’s pissing them off. her right to choose. her rights over her own body is no longer theirs.
cecilia August 5th, 2015 at 16:06
Contraception has changed society because now women no longer have to be slaves. They DON’T have to be married. They can have a career and avoid pregnancy.
Or they can marry and PLAN when they have children and how many. Imagine THAT!! Humans have choices
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 17:07
Yes. I completely agree. I’m glad that my adult daughter has a professional career and also has access to birth control. You’re preaching to the choir.
The Original Just Me August 5th, 2015 at 21:47
I was talking to an old friend of mine and my wife the other day. She is the mother of four children and has had multiple marriages. She said, if she had to do it over again, she would still get pregnant but never marry. Now that is a devoted mother.
cecilia August 5th, 2015 at 22:09
wow, gutsy
well, I’ve always believed that being a parent is a career in itself. And should be taken Just as seriously as any other career. You should prepare for it, study for it, get a good education, get yourself physically ready, etc… Like an Olympic Event.
It should be taken VERY SERIOUSLY. And if you can’t do that you shouldn’t be a parent.
The Original Just Me August 5th, 2015 at 22:40
We first met her in the early seventies. Then she had one boy by her first husband and three by her second. She had just divorced him. Her 12 year old kind of adopted my wife and I and we got the rest of the family along with him. We helped her with life and her problems. She went on to become a registered nurse and did real well. Well, except, she wanted love. Three marriages later. She is living out her life alone except her kids and grand kids. She has no regrets in life other than her marriages We are very happy as she is one of our success stories in the many people we have helped along the way.
cecilia August 5th, 2015 at 22:50
sounds like a very successful women
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 12:25
“Being conservative means wanting things to remain the same and never change.”
Do you want the laws permitting abortion to change?
Do you want the laws permitting labor unions to change?
Do you want the earth’s climate to change?
Aren’t you interested in conserving the things that you value?
The Original Just Me August 5th, 2015 at 15:20
I would not mind of they needed changes or adjustments. That is how our system of law is set up. To be able to change and update as needed. You on the other hand just want to abolish all of these as they were set up for the people and not in line with Federalist Rule. I have been married to one and only one woman for 51 years. I believe that qualifies me for conserving things I value.
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 15:39
Congratulations on 51 years. My wife and I will celebrate our 30th in a few weeks.
I have truly enjoyed being a husband and a father. I feel sorry for the kids (and I’ve known many) who don’t have a dad at home. Mothers are not always loyal to their husbands, but they are almost always loyal to their kids.
Not so with dads. Your long, happy marriage was no accident. You obviously learned how to make a relationship work. How are young men raised by single women learning those skills? Who is their role model?
One of my neighbors is an elementary school principal. He loves his job. A few weeks ago he told me about a fatherhood program that they have set up at his school. The idea is to get fathers together to discuss issues, share ideas, and provide mutual support. He said that it is very well received and attendance is very good.
My main concern is for children. I see legalized abortion as a mixed bag. It has solved some problems while creating others. I don’t fantasize about changing the law. I think abortion is here to stay. I think it is naïve to suggest that abortion has absolutely no negative consequences, and my interactions with other men lead me to believe that men no longer feel responsible for the babies that make because they now see it as the woman’s responsibility. The excuse is “If she wants the baby, let her take care of it.”.
So that’s been my experience, and it’s the reason why I am ambivalent about abortion. But I am not ambivalent about fatherhood. I think we need to have a sustained national dialogue about fatherhood. I’m no fan of Louis Farrakhan, but I will give him credit for his Million Man March. It was a great beginning, but it never seemed to go anywhere.
bpollen August 5th, 2015 at 16:09
51 years? That’s the best news I have heard today!
The Original Just Me August 5th, 2015 at 21:44
Let me make your day ! We dated steadily for 3 full years before we were married. That means she has been MY woman for 54 Years and going.
William August 5th, 2015 at 12:52
This has left millions of women with only two choices: abortion or single motherhood.
There is of course a third choice.
Contraception, but then….we all know how the right feels about contraception.
https://youtu.be/Jfb9f7yFYgw
OldLefty August 5th, 2015 at 12:56
Often they just said, “It’s not mine”, and the parents threw the girl out.
Often they both dropped out of school and lived in poverty frequently accompanied by resentment and abuse.
What about married women?
Bottom line is, if a man feels responsibility, he does, if he does not, he does not.
Period.
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 13:12
“Bottom line is, if a man feels responsibility, he does, if he does not, he does not.”
How do you explain the doubling of black fatherlessness and the tripling of white fatherlessness over the past five decades? The human genome has not changed. Society has changed. Today’s young men are learning different values than their fathers and grandfathers learned.
In some ways that is surely a good thing. But we are now approaching the point at which half of America’s young adults have been raised in fatherless households.
My father played a huge role in my life, and I have a very close bond with my adult son which is very important to him. I have occasionally acted as a father figure to young men, but school teachers, church pastors, and boy scout leaders cannot provide the kind of close, one-on-one, long-term support that a father can provide.
Of course there were always deadbeat dads. But things are getting out of hand, and I am very worried. Aren’t you?
OldLefty August 5th, 2015 at 13:55
I don’t see any difference.
Good people teach good values, bad people don’t.
I think we are just exposed more to different people’s circumstances.
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 14:10
But society rewards certain behaviors and discourages other behaviors in many other spheres. If you kill a lion or refuse to cater a gay wedding, you get LOTS of feedback from society; shunning, shaming, and even legal action. If you make sacrifices on other people’s behalf, you often get praise and recognition.
So we have lots of sticks and carrots. But when it comes to fatherhood, not so much. Why can’t society provide more sticks and carrots to encourage young men to do the right thing by their children?
We have genetic testing today, so paternity is easy to establish. If a single mom needs public assistance, how about we make the father legally responsible for paying the money? If that means garnishing wages, so be it. And if the father is on assistance, how about if we garnish part of that in lieu of wages, and give it to the child’s mother?
In an ideal world, all men would have good values. But in the real world, a lot of men need external incentives.
OldLefty August 5th, 2015 at 14:21
Ultimately, in the end, only the people involved can make these decisions for themselves.
The young girl getting pregnant is only a small part of it…. again, many are married with children.
As for “how about we make the father legally responsible for paying the money? If that means garnishing wages, so be it. ”
I don’t have a problem with that, but we can’t even make divorced people pay child support.
Paternity test? $450 and $600
The one teen pregnancy we saw in my kid’s school, she gave the baby up for adoption, went into depression, was harassing the family, and had a restraining order issued.
I hear that she has since gotten married and had a baby and is OK (I hope).
Meanwhile the boys in school heckled the father at the high school graduation, (which SHE did not attend), but he went onto college, and his family has since moved to their place in the South.
They don’t care what the little local society thinks.
Robert M. Snyder August 5th, 2015 at 14:55
“They don’t care what the little local society thinks.”
That is a good point. Fifty years ago, a lot less people moved away from their hometowns. In those days I think about one in ten went to college. Both of my kids went away to college and never came back. I doubt if they care much what people in this town think.
But that kind of reinforces my original point that we no longer have the sticks and carrots we once had. Fatherlessness has become an epidemic. A good friend’s daughter taught elementary school in MS for three years after getting her degree in elementary ed. Last year she had 18 students, which is a great teacher-student ratio. The bad news is that only 4 of those 18 kids had a father at home. In other words, 78 percent of her students were being raised by single moms. This puts a lot of stress on the women, and it puts a lot of obstacles in the kids’ paths.
Am I the only one who worries about fatherlessness? Is everyone just shrugging their shoulders because they don’t have any ideas on how to address it? If the numbers can move in one direction, then that proves that change is possible, right? I’d be interested in hearing your take on this.
BTW, if I recall correctly, you are in Steeler territory. So I’m wondering if you’ve formed any opinions about Mr. Kasich. He’s the one Republican candidate that I could actually get excited about.
whatthe46 August 5th, 2015 at 14:19
abortion has always been around. even when it wasn’t legal. only the wealthy could get it done and safely. while the poor suffered from death at the hands of back alley “providers.” the only “unfortunate” circumstances that the wealthy was in, was shame. not because they couldn’t afford to care for the baby.
ohpaleasegivemeabreak August 5th, 2015 at 17:37
Here is how I explain fatherlessness:
It, like what another woman and her doctor chat about in the doctor’s office are none of my business – just as it is none of yours.
The Original Just Me August 6th, 2015 at 04:53
Just a little post script on here. I have a very good friend in Prison right now doing 8 to 25 . He went to a bar one night. A woman (?) picked HIM up. Yup, they did have sex that night. Two weeks later she told him she was pregnant. He wasn’t even sure that it was his kid but his Ultra Conservative father told him that he had to do the right thing and marry her and take care of the child. His sister told him, the woman had said to her that she wanted to trap him into marrying her. Without knowing if it was even his kid, he did what his Ultra Conservative father told him to do. he worked really hard at this marriage for ten years. One week after she got home from a National guard Tour in Iraq, she told him she was pregnant again. Eight months after returning home the boy was born. six weeks later, she filed child molestation charges on him using her first girl that she had had before they met. This is Ultra Conservative Idaho. As I said 8 t0 25 and I know this man is innocent and that neither of the two kids are his. She has had two Lesbion relationships and three men that I know of since he went to prison on false charges. There is a fine example of your Ultra Conservative doing the right thing idea in an Ultra Red state.
Talkin_Truth August 5th, 2015 at 00:26
What woman doesn’t like to be lectured by guys who look like this?
whatthe46 August 5th, 2015 at 00:34
so gross.
cecilia August 5th, 2015 at 15:49
the kind of ugly face that is screaming to be slapped and HARD
Böcker August 5th, 2015 at 09:35
No senator its a woman’s issue and her choice, not yours.
illinoisboy1977 August 5th, 2015 at 13:40
Actually, it’s a “people” issue. The baby was conceived with a sperm and an egg. Unless the woman produced the sperm, as well as the egg, a man has every right to weigh in on the matter.
arc99 August 5th, 2015 at 13:58
ok fine.. as soon as men are required to get written approval from their wives in order to obtain a vasectomy or a prescription for Viagra, then men can “weigh in” on deciding what a pregnant woman will or will not decide as far as her pregnancy.
illinoisboy1977 August 5th, 2015 at 15:04
Abortion shouldn’t be lumped together with birth control. There’s a big difference between aborting a viable fetus and preventing fertilization, in the first place.
whatthe46 August 5th, 2015 at 15:10
if they get their way, women won’t be able to get BC either. defunding PP will make that happen. and more will end up getting abortions. connect the damn dots.
illinoisboy1977 August 5th, 2015 at 15:22
Planned Parenthood isn’t the only source for low cost/no cost birth control. City/County health departments can do the same thing. So can community health clinics.
whatthe46 August 5th, 2015 at 15:24
They do not provide the same services as PP. and it is set up for women and privacy and that means it’s none of your GD business.
illinoisboy1977 August 5th, 2015 at 15:32
Human life should be everyone’s business.
arc99 August 5th, 2015 at 16:49
Employees of defense contractor Blackwater were convicted of murder.
The current corporate incarnation of that company still receives tens of millions of dollars in government contracts.
Can you please explain why Planned Parenthood, whose employees are not accused of breaking any laws, should be de-funded but a company whose employees were convicted of murder in an American court, should still receive our tax dollars?
illinoisboy1977 August 6th, 2015 at 11:15
They shouldn’t. The heads of Blackwater should all be serving prison sentences, as far as I’m concerned. The company should have been seized and sold off, piecemeal, as a warning to other military contractors.
The undercover PP videos, which are available in their UNEDITED entirety, raise enough questions to launch a full and thorough investigation. I will concede that an investigation and findings of wrongdoing should precede a cessation of funding. But, I still disagree with the use of abortion, without a medical or psychological imperative. Abortion as a mechanism of convenience is something I just can’t agree with.
whatthe46 August 5th, 2015 at 18:21
but you believe in the death penalty.
illinoisboy1977 August 6th, 2015 at 10:58
Yes, I believe that one can EARN a death sentence, by proving himself to be an incorrigible threat to society. If someone is so cold-blooded as to plan out a murder and carry it out, having waived every opportunity to not go through with it, I do believe it’s in society’s best interest to put that dangerous individual to death. I DON’T think it should be a spectacle and I don’t believe the family of the victim should be allowed to watch it. Such measures seem punitive and vengeful, to me. The only people who should be present, are clergy, prison staff and the parents and/or siblings of the condemned.
An unborn baby has done nothing to deserve a death sentence. There are always exceptions that, while not “okay”, may be necessary. If the unborn child is the product of rape, the loss of that child would be horrible, but the further psychological damage to the mother, should she be made to carry it to term, could be completely devastating and irreparable. In that instance, I don’t think anyone with a heart could condemn a woman for aborting said child. If a pregnancy threatens the life of an expectant mother, abortion is not only an option, but a necessity. That doesn’t make it any less of a loss, but when measuring one life against another, knowing that one WILL die, a decision has to be made and both options suck.
I don’t believe abortion should be used as a mechanism of convenience.
cecilia August 6th, 2015 at 22:05
tell that to cheney
illinoisboy1977 August 7th, 2015 at 09:14
War is fought by men who choose to take that risk. Collateral damage can be laid at the feet of the soldiers who choose to dig into civilian-populated areas and launch their attacks from amongst their own civilians.
cecilia August 7th, 2015 at 10:17
Wars are started by cowards who let others fight and die. I learned this from my Grandfather who’s country was invaded when he was 16 years old. He realized (as he looked over “No Man’s Land”) that the fellow on the other side was a victim of idiot, selfish politicians. That soldier was not ‘the enemy’.
The Enemy are scum like cheney
war is nothing to be proud of.
illinoisboy1977 August 7th, 2015 at 10:40
War is fought, to secure and perpetuate the rights and freedoms we enjoy. I didn’t agree with invading Iraq, but it wasn’t because I had any philosophical objection to war. It was because I didn’t view Saddam Hussein, even a WMD-armed Saddam Hussein, as a threat. He may have had the weapons (this was popularly believed at the time), but he didn’t have the “testicular fortitude” to use them against American interests. He KNEW attacking American interests would be a death sentence. He just didn’t count on everyone being so quick to anger, after 9/11 and kept thumbing his nose at us. The real enemy was the Taliban and all our military efforts should have been focused on Afghanistan.
The military, ANY military, exists to fight. That’s what a military does. The people who join up are well aware of what they may be called upon to do and they are in the military voluntarily. No one forces today’s soldiers to enlist. They do it because they’re WILLING to fight for this nation. If a war is fought to free a nation from a tyrant, or to beat an enemy back from the borders of an ally, then I’m VERY proud to know we had the guts to do what needed to be done.
cecilia August 7th, 2015 at 10:50
wars are garbage. (and I’m NOT referring to soldiers AT ALL)
a lame way to solve problems
peace is much more difficult and require real effort, real imagination, real work
the people that love war are never willing to go out and put their lives on the line.
illinoisboy1977 August 7th, 2015 at 11:49
No one LOVES war. When your opponent says he’s going to break international law and dares you to stop him, you can waste your breath on people who won’t listen to reason or you can do what needs to be done. If they want to allow their pride to get them killed, that’s on them.
cecilia August 7th, 2015 at 12:53
chicken-hawks love wars.
they don’t have to suffer any ill effects (after all, they have no conscience so it’s not as if they really worry about ruining anyone’s life), and they get to profit…they are the losers who never listen to anyone. Because all they care about is THEMSELVES.
this will become a peaceful world when we stop paying any attention to these bastards
illinoisboy1977 August 10th, 2015 at 11:48
It’s human nature to fight over resources and land. This will never change.
cecilia August 10th, 2015 at 13:54
it’s not “human nature”.
it’s selfish people
some people actually think it’s better to work with others to arrive at solutions
cecilia August 6th, 2015 at 22:04
http://mic.com/articles/123459/jeb-bush-defunded-planned-parenthood-in-florida-now-it-ranks-terribly-for-women-s-health
cecilia August 5th, 2015 at 15:49
YOU need to understand that the government nor yentas are allowed to butt their ugly noses in other people’s business
illinoisboy1977 August 6th, 2015 at 11:18
Obamacare. I wasn’t allowed to keep my doctor.
Next!
cecilia August 6th, 2015 at 20:11
what a big cry baby
and I can’t have lot’s of things I want. You don’t see me bitching about that
grow up
illinoisboy1977 August 7th, 2015 at 09:17
So, when a Republican screws someone, they’re a victim of an out-of-control tyrant. But, when a Democrat screws someone, they’re supposed to just “shut up and take it”? I think not.
cecilia August 7th, 2015 at 10:20
you are bitching to the wrong person. I am not a member of a political party.
arc99 August 5th, 2015 at 16:44
there is no difference whatsoever as far as I am concerned.
the issue is whether someone else should have veto power over a person obtaining a legal, valid medical service.
your reluctance to consider the reverse scenario giving women a voice in the personal health care decisions of men, demonstrates to me that even conservatives recognize how little moral ground they have to stand on in this regard.
illinoisboy1977 August 6th, 2015 at 11:17
A wife should have a say in whether her husband gets a vasectomy. If he expects to still have his “happy time” and she doesn’t want any/any more children, she should absolutely have a say in that.
ohpaleasegivemeabreak August 5th, 2015 at 17:35
It’s not. Shut up about it boy – until you have the need for one, you need not weigh in on the subject every again.
Because it’s 100% none of your business.
illinoisboy1977 August 6th, 2015 at 11:00
Human life is everyone’s business. The law currently states it’s legal. There’s nothing in the law that says I have to like it or that I can’t speak against it.
Bunya August 5th, 2015 at 14:17
And as soon as science discovers a way , he’ll have every right to “weigh in” and have the zygote implanted in his body, so he can carry and give birth. What a novel idea!
cecilia August 5th, 2015 at 15:47
I’ve said for decades that as soon as males can carry a fetus THAT is when the government will back off this topic. THAT is when certain males will suddenly understand.
And every time some a-hole rapes a women the best solution is that this fetus IMMEDIATELY is implanted in HIS stupid body and now HE has to deal with it!
Watch the % of rapes plummet like a rock on Jupiter
Bunya August 5th, 2015 at 15:59
Not only that, the number of men who suddenly become “pro-choice” will skyrocket.
whatthe46 August 5th, 2015 at 14:17
you’re so full of shit! it’s none of your damn business. you nor the govt. has the right to control a woman’s fk’n body.
illinoisboy1977 August 5th, 2015 at 15:02
It’s not “controlling a woman’s fk’n body”. It’s controlling the conditions under which a DOCTOR may employ a procedure. The baby’s father should at least be able to weigh in on whether his child is killed or not.
whatthe46 August 5th, 2015 at 15:09
the govt. has no right try to control any conditions or regulate what is discussed between a woman and her doctor. it’s none of your fk’n business. and no one has killed a child. and i guess she should consult with her rapist if she becomes pregnant as well right?
illinoisboy1977 August 5th, 2015 at 15:23
Nope. A man who forces himself on a woman should lose all rights, as well as his freedom, for the rest of his life.
whatthe46 August 5th, 2015 at 15:25
and according to you, she should still give birth.
illinoisboy1977 August 5th, 2015 at 15:32
I don’t know of anyone who would condemn her for deciding not to carry it to term. Rape has long been an accepted exception to the desired restrictions on abortion.
whatthe46 August 5th, 2015 at 22:19
LIAR!!!!!!!!!! your disgusting party of degenerates wants even women and children who were inpregnated by rape or incest to still carry. “I don’t know of anyone who would condemn her for deciding not to carry ‘IT’ to term.” and you say: “Rape has long been an accepted exception to the desired restrictions on abortion.” so it’s ok because these are not children that are desirable because of how they were conceived? you STOOOOOOOPID POS! you ignorant, hypocritical asswipe! “blessed baby” “unblessed baby, DIE.”
illinoisboy1977 August 6th, 2015 at 10:39
Well… If you’re going to subscribe to the theory that “he who throws the most insults and screams the loudest is right”, screw you and have a nice day. :-)
ohpaleasegivemeabreak August 5th, 2015 at 17:34
ACcording to his ilk, those who have ectopic pregnancies and those with 100% non-viable fetuses should be forced to carry to term or die.
Which is the likeliest outcome of not having the deceased fetal tissue removed or the ectopic pregnancy removed: Death to the mother so a complete stranger control freak can feel self-important.
whatthe46 August 5th, 2015 at 19:19
pisses me off to no end.
cecilia August 5th, 2015 at 15:44
contrary to what the slut-shaming a’hol teabaggers would like to imagine, many COUPLES are the ones who find themselves in the situation where abortion may be necessary.
Either there is a medical problem or they have used contraception which failed this time and they can’t AFFORD to have more children because that would SCREW up the futures of the ALREADY ALIVE kids they have.
I know this ruins their idiotic romantic notion that every fetus has to be loved and cooed over, but unless those teabastards are going to pay for these fetuses they need to shut the F up.
If they aren’t going to feed, cloth and pay for college, bugger off
illinoisboy1977 August 6th, 2015 at 11:19
It’s so nice to see that some people can reduce the value of a human life to dollars and cents. Nice job!
MarcoPolo August 6th, 2015 at 19:29
In many cases it comes down to that. And that shouldn’t surprise anyone.
To paraphrase Cecilia, if it’s not your womb or responsibility…Bugger Off!
illinoisboy1977 August 7th, 2015 at 09:18
Now, with Obamacare, I’m forced to pay for the care of that womb. If I’m paying for it, I can say whatever I want about it.
MarcoPolo August 7th, 2015 at 09:23
It’s a free country, so you can say whatever you like.
Although that doesn’t mean you have any authority over it.
illinoisboy1977 August 7th, 2015 at 10:16
That’s true. However, many people like to tell me how little right I have to even speak out against abortion.
cecilia August 7th, 2015 at 10:19
you can say whatever crap you like.
it doesn’t mean you have the right to force a living person to carry a fetus when they don’t want to.
whatthe46 August 7th, 2015 at 10:20
no one here has told you that you didn’t have the right to speak out, say whatever crap you want. what you don’t have is the right to decide what a woman does with her own body.
MarcoPolo August 7th, 2015 at 10:39
I respect and defend your right to say what you believe to be true. And as is often the case, there will be those who respond with less dignity or respect.
The issue is definitely contentious, and will no doubt play heavily in our next election cycle. We shall see!
illinoisboy1977 August 7th, 2015 at 10:43
It’s definitely going to be an entertaining election year!
Obewon August 7th, 2015 at 09:39
The ACA delivered U.S. Record 90% HC insured, ‘Reduces Federal Deficits $1.5 T+ ‘-CBO, while lowering HC costs to the tiniest HC cost increases in decades, and the 1970’s Hyde amendment prohibits taxpayer funding of abortion.
Here in NY HC insurance costs just $308 per month, down from over $1000 per month pre ACA. That’s why the clowns have never offered anything to ‘replace’ the ACA.
Trump / Palin’16~ dividing America without any actual policy.
cecilia August 6th, 2015 at 20:13
you mean those assholes like cheney who started a war for profit, no matter how many innocent people died?
I think the moron teabaggers/gop are genius at that
illinoisboy1977 August 7th, 2015 at 09:16
Yet, Iraq was allowed to keep the proceeds from their oil sales and we wind up eating a big shit sandwich, when it comes time to pay for the war. We were SUPPOSED to take back our costs, from Iraqi oil revenue and it never happened. Where was the profit?
ohpaleasegivemeabreak August 5th, 2015 at 17:32
Only self-righteous control freaks want to be allowed to tell complete strangers how they are allowed to make medical decisions.
Obamacare has a policy that covers that mental illness.
illinoisboy1977 August 6th, 2015 at 11:01
Obamacare is the ultimate in telling people how they’re allowed to make medical decisions.
ohpaleasegivemeabreak August 5th, 2015 at 17:26
This guy’s only jobs B4 being chosen by the rich in OK to be Mary fallin’s replacement in the US House were working in the basement with little kiddos and working in the deep deep woods with children in their church camp. Daddyinlaw is headhoncho of one of the hardest core Baptist groups in Ok.
He married into the family. HIs wife is what one might consider to be the Sta
cecilia August 7th, 2015 at 10:52
locate cheney and ask that asswipe