Pastor Robert Jeffress: Josh Duggar Was ‘A 14-Year-Old Having Hormones’
Senior First Baptist Church of Dallas Pastor Robert Jeffress, who knows the Duggar family because they sometimes pray at his church, addressed the Duggar controversy on my show Tuesday night.
JEFFRESS: We’re all sinners, we need forgiveness. And Alan, you’re going to hate this but I’m going to say it anyway. If what happened with the Duggar family disqualifies the Duggars from speaking out on moral issues because of what their 14-year old son did 12 years ago, then don’t you think Hillary Clinton ought to be disqualified from speaking out on women’s rights issues because of what her adult husband did while in the White House?
COLMES: No, because that’s what he did, not what she did…
JEFFRESS: I think what causes a problem like Josh Duggar, I don’t know what’s in his head, but I think it’s being 14 years old and having hormones running through you.
COLMES: But with your sisters?
JEFFRESS: I’m not excusing it at all, what I’m saying is I don’t think that it is necessarily because it was because he wasn’t allowed to hold hands that that happened.
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MikeBx2 June 10th, 2015 at 16:14
So Jeffress thinks that parents responsibility for their teenage son’s actions against their other children in the home somehow equates to a wife being responsible for her husband’s actions at work?
thule June 10th, 2015 at 18:12
I think the point he was making is that just because some moral failure happens in your family doesn’t mean you can’t talk about the moral standard. His point is if that is true then Hillary should not talk about women’s rights or speak out against bosses that take advantages of young interns. His point is the a moral standard is just that, a moral standard. The very basis of Christianity is that none of us meet the moral standard. The sorry state of American Christianity is that most non-Christians think that Christians are trying to be good on their own. The truth is that church is for bad people, not good people. People that think they are good don’t need Christianity.
Dwendt44 June 10th, 2015 at 18:39
If that line about ‘taking advantage of young interns’ was a reference to Hilary’s husband Bill, that not true. If anything Monica took advantage of him. She offered, more than once, her ‘services’ to the President of the United States. That he accepted the offer finally is his moral failing, but there was no ‘taking advantage’.
Chris June 10th, 2015 at 19:03
You must think we aren’t paying attention when your sanctimonious conservatives name themselves, “The Moral Majority”, “The Family Leader”, and other nonsense.
You also would have us to believe that the Duggars haven’t been puffing themselves up as exemplars of morality. We HAVE been paying attention.
Buddy McCue June 10th, 2015 at 19:04
Damn straight.
thule June 10th, 2015 at 19:37
I did say this is a failing of the American church didn’t I? It is a terrible perception. That perception is not Christianity.
I have never watched the Duggar show.I don’t really know what they say. What I am trying to say is that Christians try to live morally because they want to. It is a response to grace. It is nice that you think that Christians are in someway good, but that is only half of the story.
Any good that the Duggars should point to the gospel. They shouldn’t be saying “Look how good we are!”
tracey marie June 10th, 2015 at 20:20
They live to control others with hate and immorality. Seems most religions are full of pervs and liars and you defend them.
thule June 10th, 2015 at 22:04
I don’t think I have said anything to defend them. I just pointed out that it appeared they did go to law enforcement within the statute of limitations. Yes, religion is full of pervs an liars. Hopefully the difference is that they *know* that they are pervs and liars and have repented of those crimes and accept due justice.
Are you saying you have never lied? Ever? Are you lying about that?
tracey marie June 10th, 2015 at 22:05
babble, you can’t “repent” deliberate covering up of incestual pedophilia sexual assault.
thule June 10th, 2015 at 22:21
If I’m reading the timeline correctly, they didn’t hide it. The reported it to law enforcement. Unfortunately, the officer was corrupt and is now serving time for his own crimes.
tracey marie June 10th, 2015 at 22:24
after a year had past, you are just trolling now with your obvious lies…done with you
thule June 10th, 2015 at 22:39
Isn’t the statute of limitations 3 years?
Chris June 10th, 2015 at 22:14
Hey man, I’m a Christian. If you “don’t really know what (the Duggars) say”, then you really shouldn’t be commenting as you are.
Stop falling into the trap of defending people calling themselves Christian who are anything but.
I agree with your last line. You could have saved yourself a lot of typing if you knew that’s what they do.
thule June 10th, 2015 at 22:39
I’m trying to comment on the larger issue of the gospel an the attitudes of the American church. I also pointed out that it seems people are very quick to judge the Duggars when, if I read the timeline correctly, they did go to law enforcement.
I am very skeptical of any family in the media that calls themselves Christian. But then again, I’m pretty skeptical of most Christian churches these days.
Chris June 10th, 2015 at 22:57
Dude, there are plenty of links out there showing the Duggars didn’t “go to law enforcement.” They went to a trooper who was a family friend who gave Josh a “stern talking to”; he’s in the pen for kiddie porn now. He failed to pursue this as he was duty bound.
The Duggars only went to “law enforcement” after the statute of limitations expired. They knew exactly what they were doing.
BTW, nobody on this site have been “very quick” to judge the Duggars. You’d have to be blind not to realize them for the weird perverted, lying, grifting cult they are. They are not the first to twist Christianity into something unrecognizable to justify their lives, and they won’t be the last.
thule June 10th, 2015 at 23:19
From the timeline…. the second time they didn’t go to law enforcement, law enforcement came to them based on an anonymous tip. It appears they didn’t not orchestrate the second meeting.
It is hard for me to judge what happened with the first meeting with law enforcement. According to the timeline the elders in the church felt that sending him away was not good enough and that law enforcement needed to be part of the punishment (rightly so). My parents knew cops when I was growing up. They always told me that if they caught me with drugs or some other illegal activity that they’d turn me in. They didn’t expect special treatment with people they knew or not. I don’t know if the Duggars had the same attitude. I really hope they expected equal treatment. But who knows? I certainly don’t know what was going on inside their heads at the time.
As far as “quick judgement” goes, just look over the comments the other comments.
MikeBx2 June 10th, 2015 at 20:28
The adults in the Duggar household, the parents, failed to protect their own daughters, and apparently a babysitter, from their teenage son’s abhorrent behavior. He should have been removed from the home immediately, but instead nothing was done after he “confessed” 3 times to committing a criminal act against his sisters. And even then his parents didn’t act responsibly. Meanwhile, the Mother, Michelle Duggar added her voice to a robocall in AR saying that transgendered people were a threat to little girls in public bathrooms, all the while knowing she was a real threat to the little girls in her own home, for her failures to protect them. This is not about a “moral failure” happening in “your family” that somehow they were disconnected from and in no possible way can it be compared to marital infidelity between two adults.
F_cons June 10th, 2015 at 16:44
And I have hormones and a giant sharpened stick, please come visit
Suzanne McFly June 10th, 2015 at 17:26
Using this logic, teenage boys can rape but not be charged because it’s just hormones?
tracey marie June 10th, 2015 at 17:29
14 year olds have hormones, why do so few rape, assault and hurt females?
CandideThirtythree June 11th, 2015 at 02:16
Because most 14 year olds can just take matters into their own hands if you know what I mean but the fundies forbid that too.
tracey marie June 11th, 2015 at 10:53
very good.
Carla Akins June 10th, 2015 at 17:34
Hormones are not at the root of this issue, the larger issue is how the parents chose to hand the issue, continue to put children and women at risk and cover it up all under the guise of their religion and then sit in judgement of others lifestyles. Lifestyles that are not crimes and do not leave behind victims.
StoneyCurtisll June 10th, 2015 at 20:14
High Five Carla~!
noshel June 10th, 2015 at 17:37
This is my reason to say there is no God, because if there was the God that these people claimed to served, would allowed for him to endorse such rubbish, I wonder what else would he want this God to endorse on hid behalf?…
CandideThirtythree June 11th, 2015 at 02:14
If there was a god, you would think an all powerful being could find a better PR department wouldn’t you?
MaryJane Mccarthy James June 10th, 2015 at 17:40
It is truly sick and disgusting and so damaging to all the children was have been raped Clearly the fake christians condone RAPE OF A CHILD.
thule June 10th, 2015 at 17:58
Has the claim ever been rape? I think the legal term is sexual assault/abuse (inappropriate touching). They did, in fact, go to the police. They didn’t try to hide it. There was a police report.
Lena Dunham seems to think what she did to her sister is a joke. This is serious stuff. If only her parents took it as seriously as the Duggars.
Dwendt44 June 10th, 2015 at 18:36
They did ‘try to hide it’. By waiting until the statute of limitations expired, they knew the law would/could do nothing. The counseling, such as it was, was also a dodge.
Chris June 10th, 2015 at 18:54
Keep reading. You’ll find out that they actively worked to keep this away from the civil authorities. In other words, they not only tried to hide it, they did. And a Huckabee (who is HEAVILY invested in the Duggars) appointed judge ordered the record to be destroyed recently. And it was.
Sound like a cult? Bingo, you’re getting warmer. And the Duggars are only “taking it seriously” since their media meal ticket is disappearing.
Stop listening to Caribou Barbie. There is no equivalence here between the Duggars and Dunham.
What Lena Dunham did is not germane. And how old was she? Seven. How old was Duggar? 14-15. You figure it out. Sheesh.
thule June 10th, 2015 at 19:53
I sounded to me like that took it pretty seriously. They sent him away for counseling and hard labor. When he returned they reported the incidents to the police:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2015/05/28/timeline-josh-duggar-19-kids-and-counting-tlc-sex-abuse-scandal/28066229/
Was the statue of limitations only 1 year back then? I see that Arkansas has a 3 year limit which is within the limit when they brought him to the police. They didn’t know at the time the officer has his own issues.
whatthe46 June 10th, 2015 at 20:10
protecting a pedo huh? you call someone who possesses child porn one with “issues?” really? and he didn’t go for counseling and hard labor. going to spend time with a family and helping out on construction isn’t counseling nor hard labor.
thule June 10th, 2015 at 20:49
How were they supposed to know the officer has his own issues? That didn’t come out until later.
I wonder, is construction is harder labor than some (most?) prisons these days?
It might not be what you consider counseling, but it appeared to work. Have there been any accusations since they brought him home from the construction job and to the first officer? From what I can tell, the 2006 police interviews found that the incidents were beyond the statue of limitations. That means that there was no evidence or accusations in the three years after his counseling and his first brush with law enforcement. If that is indeed true, it seems that this sort of counseling had great success.
I dunno. Maybe the USA Today timeline is biffed. Correct me if I am wrong.
whatthe46 June 10th, 2015 at 21:02
how do you know anything worked? Just because he didn’t confess doesn’t mean he stopped and he may have but they’re not gonna tell it. This was
going on for a long period of time.
and this “father” made the statement that they found out by talking with
other cult members that it has happened in their families as well as if to say
that $hit is normal behavior. No, he
didn’t get any help and if they protected their pedo son and their “wholesome”
image, from jail or prison even though another that he molested wasn’t even
family. She didn’t get justice. But he got to go visit family.
thule June 10th, 2015 at 21:59
True, we can’t know for sure that it worked. But this sort of crime has a way of repeating itself over and over. I guess we will know if it worked or not over the next few months. Will there be other victims coming forward?
whatthe46 June 10th, 2015 at 22:02
its in the family, they won’t tell. and of course it doesn’t just stop. he just hasn’t gotten caught.
thule June 10th, 2015 at 22:36
If it has continued, it will come out. It is just how things go.
BTW, if I read things correctly, it wasn’t just in the family.
whatthe46 June 10th, 2015 at 22:58
i know it wasn’t. 4 were his sisters and 1 wasn’t. 1.
tracey marie June 10th, 2015 at 20:18
what nonsense, he was allowed to sexually assault his sisters for years before that perv of a dad even addressed the issue…defending pedophiles and sexual pervs seems to be what the right does.
OldLefty June 10th, 2015 at 20:21
That what happens when you stick to Sharia.
Mike June 10th, 2015 at 20:28
Are you just making this stuff up or do you have a link???
He committed the acts as a 12, 13, and 14 year old, was caught repeatedly, and confessed to his parents, who then waited 3 years (until he was 17) to find a friendly pedophile cop who would do nothing for the 3 months it would take for the statute to run out.
No counseling was offered to the victims, and Josh’s counseling amounted to praying to god for forgiveness.
Where am I going wrong?????
thule June 10th, 2015 at 20:33
I linked to the USA Today timeline. So I dunno. Maybe I misread something?
thule June 10th, 2015 at 20:36
I think I see this issue. The police were involved twice. The first time right after Josh came back from hard labor in 2003. The second time in 2006.
whatthe46 June 10th, 2015 at 20:41
you really are stuck on that lie about hard labor as if it was punishment for molesting 5 sleeping children and one as young as 5.
thule June 10th, 2015 at 20:57
…and they reported it to the police, still within the statute of limitations. Unfortunately, the guy had his own issues.
And then there is still the crime about someone getting a sealed police report which I think is standard for crimes involving minors.
whatthe46 June 10th, 2015 at 21:24
who gives a flying monkey’s a$$ about a sealed report. he’s a fk’n nasty bastard who molest(ed) children.
Chris June 10th, 2015 at 22:36
As I told you elsewhere, the trooper DID NOT forward the report as he was duty bound to do.
Something tells me this was a “one hand washes the other” deal. How else do YOU explain why he didn’t do the proper thing?
Re your “sealed” report misconception: this report was gotten through a “Freedom of Information Act” disclosure. It was all legal. And the judge realized what damage it could do to Huckabee. THAT is why it was ordered to be destroyed.
CandideThirtythree June 11th, 2015 at 02:11
They never reported it!! They were asking the guy advice about covering it up since he was a friend and a cop. No report was ever filed by them, they never went to the police station, it was just a family friend who they were asking advice from.
It is in the police report
Chris June 10th, 2015 at 22:31
They “reported” the incident (one) to the “officer” who is now in jail for kiddie porn. He disingenuously has said that the Duggars only reported one incident to him and he gave Josh “a stern talking to.” He said that if he knew there was more than one incident ( we know of FIVE), he would have made an official report. Ha! He was duty bound to report this even if only ONE incident had occurred.
An “official report” was only made after the statute of limitations had expired. And, as I said before, the Huck judge had the official report destroyed recently.
If you aren’t upset with how Arkansas is smelling right now, what with the Duggars, their trooper friend, their fundie circle (you made me laugh about the “hard labor”), Huckabee, and the whole judicial system, you ain’t paying attention. There is NOTHING Christian about this smelly mess. Hypocrites, the lot of them.
CandideThirtythree June 11th, 2015 at 02:08
it was reported in 2006 by the Oprah show and it first happened in 2002..only in republican math is 4 years and 1 year the same thing.
They would have NEVER reported it on their own and they would not have sent him away to remodel houses except for the fact that it was a BABYSITTER who reported him…not a family member so they could no longer hide it so they LIED and said they sent him to counseling.
Michelle even admitted that they lied about the therapy in the 2006 police report!
If it had only been family members, they would have covered it up forever.
thule June 11th, 2015 at 03:22
You misunderstood my point. They first talked to law enforcement within the 3 year period, but the dude was corrupt. Once it to Oprah and the police in 2006, it was beyond 3 years. The police came to them at that point.
My main point is that it seems to me that they did take it pretty seriously. They shouldn’t feel the need to cover it up. The gospel proclaims we are all sinners. Why should we be shocked that this child decided to sin in this particular way? But Christ died not just for this ugly sin for for even worse sins. That is the bigger point that the Duggars should be proclaiming if they are true Christians. I don’t know enough about their faith to know for sure. The Gothard connection is a little suspect to me.
I forgive you for the ad hominem.
CandideThirtythree June 11th, 2015 at 04:12
Blah blah blah blah
The police reports and criminal actions of all the people they chose to ‘consult’ …all of them involved in sex scandals I might add…are all there for everyone to read. If you don’t like what you read, so be it but stirring the pot with christobabble is pointless.
tracey marie June 10th, 2015 at 19:10
BS, the duggars waited a year. Sexual assault is just as bad as rape especial incest and pedophilia.
whatthe46 June 10th, 2015 at 19:23
and they reported to a prick who’s now serving 56 yrs in prison for child porn was was a friend.
Mike June 10th, 2015 at 19:48
That’s ridiculous to compare Lena to Josh…she was a 7 year old sexually immature girl….he was a 14 year old sexually mature young man…big difference.
Otherwise we’d be jailing kids all around the country for showing their stuff to each other.
And yes they did everything they could to hide it and shield Josh from any legal penalties. They specifically waited for the statute of limitations to expire, then confessed to a pedophile cop….on the other hand, Lena committed no crime since a 7 year old girl is incapable in the eyes of the law of committing a sex crime.
CandideThirtythree June 11th, 2015 at 02:02
He was 14 the FIRST time he was caught, he was 15 the second time he was caught. There never was a police report until Oprah reported the to CPS in 2006.
You are spreading lies, you must be a christian.
thule June 11th, 2015 at 03:08
I am not trying to spread lies. I misunderstood the first interaction with law enforcement. I thought the first time produced a report. In anycase, they did report it to law enforcement. Yes, apparently a friend, but I would hope a friend in law enforcement would do the right thing no matter what. He didn’t.
I am not trying to defend the Duggars. Just trying to understand the situation. It seems people want to jump in and say how terrible they are. They well may be terrible people, but in this case, it seemed like they were trying to do the right thing. I know I would be a bit worried if I had to bring my own son in to report on something like this. But it has to be done.
fahvel June 11th, 2015 at 03:19
relax CC33, the thule is just a rack to hang skies from – ignore any one who has “found it”
thule June 11th, 2015 at 03:35
I guess what I’m trying to say is that one of the reasons it seems this story is so big is because people are saying “ah ha! These people are not perfect! They are corrupt!” But did they say there were perfect?
My point is that it is a terrible sin if they implied that they are perfect. If they are real Christians, then they should know they are as sinful as anyone else. The cross already points to how bad we all are. We shouldn’t really be all that shocked with any sin.
I hope that he never returned to doing what he has done. I hope the therapy worked. Yes, I know it wasn’t certified therapy, but what is the success rate on certified therapists?
I guess we will all know over the next months or years if he continued in this ugly behavior. Secrets like this don’t stay hidden forever.
William June 11th, 2015 at 09:40
I guess what I’m trying to say is that one of the reasons it seems this story is so big is because people are saying “ah ha!
That’s correct, and rightly so.
CandideThirtythree June 11th, 2015 at 04:15
Is he a regular here? I try to stop by at least once a week but sometimes life gets in the way so I don’t always know which ones shouldn’t be fed LOL!
OldLefty June 10th, 2015 at 17:49
Imagine what he would have said if Dugger was a fourteen year old BLACK boy from a BLACK family with 19 children, ‘having hormones’ .
whatthe46 June 10th, 2015 at 19:21
hell, they act all pi$$y when a black woman has 3 children.
OldLefty June 10th, 2015 at 20:09
They are single mothers.
Because the father here was so significant.
whatthe46 June 10th, 2015 at 20:38
even the ones who are not single mothers.
OldLefty June 10th, 2015 at 21:12
Yeah, but we don’t like ‘THEM’.
Mike June 10th, 2015 at 19:41
What’s that…he was a 14 year old trying to make a whore moan…????
katkelly57 June 10th, 2015 at 20:12
I’d say the majority of kids his age has/had a case of the hormones…..however, a mighty small percentage molested others while experiencing these hormones.
Just another family values guy without any.
StoneyCurtisll June 10th, 2015 at 20:13
Jeffers is just one of those Southern Baptist pastors who has the permanent shit eating grin on his face…
He can’t quit smiling because he can’t believe how much money he is taking from people that believe the garbage he says.
fahvel June 11th, 2015 at 03:17
it’s also a bad case of constipation – you know, shit up to his ears.
labman57 June 10th, 2015 at 20:51
Boys will be boys … but if they are gay boys, they’re gonna burn in Hell for all eternity.
whatthe46 June 10th, 2015 at 20:54
i just read that in may DHS had to call 911 because the duggars wouldn’t allow them to
speak with a couple of the younger girls.
thule June 10th, 2015 at 22:19
No both are very serious. But so is lying, coveting, or failing to love your neighbor as yourself. The Bible states that ALL have sinned. Some revel in their sin, but a Christian should acknowledge it, repent over it, and want to stop it. That is the difference. It is not that a Christian does not sin, it is their attitude toward that sin.
labman57 June 10th, 2015 at 23:41
And what if your neighbor is gay?
The problem with your thesis is that it presumes that “sin” is defined exclusively by Christian conservative dogma.
thule June 11th, 2015 at 00:55
Sometimes the most loving thing to do for a person is to tell them they are wrong. Not with a haughty attitude because the sum of someone else’s sin is no greater than mine. Speak truth in love. Even Penn Jillette has stated that the most hateful thing for a Christian to do is think that someone may be going to tell and not try to save them (a paraphrase). Penn disagrees with Christianity, but he gets that aspect of it.
I am saved not because I am a good person. I am saved because Jesus died for my sins.
CandideThirtythree June 11th, 2015 at 01:58
What a pig! You spout your filthy hate and call it love, that is the very definition of hypocrite! Your Jesus told you to go to your room and pray in private and not do it out in public but you don’t do that either so I am just here to tell you about it.
Shut your mouth and keep your hate to yourself, let it eat you alive before you hurt anyone else. Your hate is YOUR burden to bear.
You are a horrible person and you are going to hell, my god doesn’t like hypocrites. I am just trying to save you by telling you the truth.
thule June 11th, 2015 at 02:59
I’m not sure if you are being sarcastic or not.
How do you know where I pray?
What did I say that was hateful? I said that I am a sinner. That Christ saved me, while I was a sinner. I know that I am not perfect… far from it. If I am a hypocrite, then I have to point out that Christ died for hypocrites like me. I trust in His work, not mine.
In this context, I am not sure why I said that was hypocritical.
CandideThirtythree June 11th, 2015 at 04:21
So you think you are god now? You are putting yourself in god’s place and doing his judging for him?
You need to keep your hate to yourself you judgmental hypocrite. You are judging people for being gay, you are judging people for not being christofascist like yourself and saying that you have a right and a duty to harass people who are going about their lives not bothering you at all.
And for your information Penn was making fun of you and you are too blind to get it!!
thule June 11th, 2015 at 13:11
You just spouting without understanding what I typed. I only mentioned lying, coveting, not loving your neighbor. We all fail in these things.
thule June 11th, 2015 at 13:34
I was talking about this clip from Penn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owZc3Xq8obk
He seems pretty serious and honest to me in this clip.
Leannie June 11th, 2015 at 11:16
Applying Christian principles to your own life is fine….as a fellow Christian I can relate to the awesome power of God’s forgiveness…but that in NO WAY gives us a license to judge other’s “sin” and determine who goes to hell and who doesn’t…no matter what we “think” God is telling us. That is the problem with the Duggars…and people like them….they claim moral superiority, spread their hatred and bigoty around like it is their job, then pull the “God forgives us” card when they get caught doing the very things they claim to reject. Total BS as far as I am concerned.
Dwendt44 June 11th, 2015 at 12:40
Jesus came to ‘save’ the Jews and the Jews only. If you are not a Jew, you’re out of luck.
thule June 11th, 2015 at 13:12
So you’re saying that the word ‘world’ in John 3:16 means Jew? Ummm, oooooookay.
Dwendt44 June 11th, 2015 at 13:37
It seems from several examples of biblical writings that ‘world’ meant the Jewish world. Remember that the bible writers thought the world was flat.
Bunya June 11th, 2015 at 14:12
It’s really hard to tell exactly what John said and/or meant. Since the bible and been altered, revised and tampered with through the centuries to fit the climate of the time, it has become quite corrupt. Many books, supposedly written during the time Jesus walked the earth, have also been left out of the new testament.
tracey marie June 11th, 2015 at 13:44
she was serious and me and all her agree with her.
William June 11th, 2015 at 09:37
“Not with a haughty attitude because the sum of someone else’s sin is no greater than mine”
Oh that’s right we forget sometimes.
You can do whatever stupid, sick, twisted, sh!t you want, and it’s ok because you’re “SAVED”. Then you can go right back to the “Holier than thou” persona that is the right wing hillbilly Christian right.
thule June 11th, 2015 at 13:15
“we forget sometimes”….
No, we forget all the time. Grace is not a license to sin. You are ignorant of basic Biblical doctrine. It is possible the Duggars don’t get this but plenty of Christians do. So don’t lump all Christians in with them.
William June 11th, 2015 at 13:35
You are ignorant of basic Biblical doctrine.
You are wrong.
I have read/studied the Bible in great detail. I even taught Catechism.
When Christians hide behind a Bible and pull the “forgiven” card, it’s just another hijacking of Christianity.
Unless you are very well versed in Aramaic, your observations of Biblical doctrine are no better or worse than mine.
Leannie June 11th, 2015 at 15:05
“So don’t lump sum all Christians in with
them”….very true, to that I will agree with you.
However, I am still left with the question of which is the “right” Christian….are the Duggars the right kind? How about me…am I the “right” kind of Christian….which one is it….Lutheran? Catholic? Church of Christ, Methodist, Baptist…? The fact that no one can come to a consensus as to which Christian is “right” tells me that nobody really knows anything; instead we spend our time trying to be “right” at the expense of others.
Our faith in our own, we determine our own relationship with God.
Interpret the Bible any way you want…apply it to how you live your life…you do not get to apply it to anyone elses life.
cecilia June 11th, 2015 at 12:32
oh, bugger off
tracey marie June 11th, 2015 at 13:46
you are neither saved or a good person, you are evangelical trash making excuses foran evangelical incestuous and pedophilia/sexual abuse family
Bunya June 11th, 2015 at 14:35
Why is it “Christians” always repent only AFTER they’re caught doing something really repugnant? Then they suddenly become all holy and self-righteous.
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Take, for example, one of the most disgusting, vile human beings on the face of the earth, Jimmy Swaggart. He deliberately spied on Jim Baker in a attempt to dig up some dirt, which he eventually did, and outed him on national television. If I remember correctly, he referred to Baker as “a cancer on the body of Christ”.
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Funny thing about karma. It’ll come back to you, with a vengeance. Some time later it came to light that holier-than-thou Jimmy Swaggart was having his own little nasty liaisons with prostitutes and farm animals. When THAT story broke, Swaggart went on television weeping profusely, saying how he is so heartily sorry for sinning against the Lord – when in fact he was so heartily sorry he got caught and was in danger of losing his gravy train.
thule June 11th, 2015 at 16:08
So you’re judging all Christians by the measure of Jim Baker and Jimmy Swaggart? Unless you spend time in a church with other repenters you really can’t know that all Christians are as you say they are.
Bunya June 11th, 2015 at 17:14
I’ve spent plenty of time in church when I was younger. I’ve seen exactly how those holier-than-thou, sanctimonious, self-righteous a-holes act once they’re out of church. Like most fanatics, you’re one of the church’s indoctrination success stories. Congrats.
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thule June 11th, 2015 at 21:56
If they think they are holier then you, then that is not a church. A church is a place for people that know that they are horrible sinners.
Unfortunately, your criticism is true of many American churches. I can say that it not the case in every church. Some of your criticism is just a misunderstanding of basic Christian doctrine. But because of your ignorance, you choose to have a bigoted attitude to all people that call themselves Christians. As with anything you have to get to know a person before making snap judgments.
Bunya June 11th, 2015 at 23:29
My understanding of Christian doctrine is spot on. In fact, I would venture to guess that I know more about the bible than you, which is why I’m skeptical of things that make no sense.
No, my misunderstanding is with Christians. They’re way too hypocritical. They’re way too quick to judge others, while overlooking their own, more serious transgressions.
Another thing I don’t understand about Christians is, they’re quick to accuse others of being ignorant and bigoted, but don’t seem to recognize that they, themselves, possess those exact same attributes.
thule June 12th, 2015 at 00:32
I used the word bigoted because that is exactly how your words came across. When you painted me with the same brush as Swaggart without knowing me, my Christian friends, or the church I attend, then, yes, that would be a textbook definition.
I agree with you, that is an issue with much of the American church today. The church shouldn’t be saying, “look how bad *you* all are!” It should be saying, “Look how bad we all are, we need the gospel!” The bad news is that we all fail to achieve the standard. The good news is that the standard has been filled for us. Out of that understanding, we *want* to do what is good knowing whatever we do is not *perfectly* good. A Christian should not kid themselves we are, in Luther’s words, “simul iustus et peccator” or “At the same time righteous and a sinner.” The righteousness is not ours. This is basic Christian doctrine that is somehow lost in much of American Christianity.
So your big issue is that Christians are not perfect. Well we know that already! You don’t need to point that out to us. God’s standard is much higher than anything you could point out.
Leannie June 12th, 2015 at 09:16
But what is the difference between a church saying “Look how bad YOU are” vs Look how bad WE ALL” are?
My point is this….our faith is personal….for example…it is ok for ME, to deny my own homosexuality based on my faith….(life would suck but that would be MY choice)….it is NOT ok for me to expect someone else to deny THEIR sexual orientation based on MY faith.
When will the Christian community get this!!??
Bunya June 12th, 2015 at 09:54
I did not compare you to Swaggart. I merely wanted to know why Christians feel they are authorized to pass judgment on others, while overlooking their own shortcomings. If you took it that way, you have more to hide than you let on.
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It should be saying, “Look how bad we all are…”
No. The church shouldn’t be judging AT ALL. With all the skeletons preachers have in their closets, they’re in no position to play arbiter. They’re job is to proselytize. That’s it.
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“So your big issue is that Christians are not perfect.”
No, my big issue is that they hypocrites – more so than any other religion that I know of, including Scientologists.
Bunya June 10th, 2015 at 21:24
I think that’s the excuse Fr. Murphy used when he was raping the boys at St. John School for the Deaf. He was relieving the boys of their raging hormones by having sex with them. That excuse must’ve convinced the Catholic church, because Murphy died as a priest in good standing.
whatthe46 June 10th, 2015 at 21:27
disgusting
CandideThirtythree June 11th, 2015 at 01:52
All teenagers have hormones but very very few molest their sisters, that seems to be more of a fundie thing.
Greebo June 11th, 2015 at 03:47
Quite – they follow the biblical example since King David’s daughter Tamar was raped by her brother.
craig7120 June 11th, 2015 at 08:50
Hormones? Is that not a science thingy? Clergy using science to back up a position?
It’s like watching a baby discovering their hands, they’re not quite sure how to use them, but have an innate feeling they’re going to be useful.
Dwendt44 June 11th, 2015 at 12:39
Back in biblical days, as soon as a girl showed any sign of maturity, the first period typically, she was available to be married off. Young men didn’t get pushed into marriage until about 18. Females were property to he used.
craig7120 June 11th, 2015 at 18:44
Absolutely
This pastor using science cracks me up, he hasn’t the slightest idea what he’s talking about, convenient grab from the word bag.
illinoisboy1977 June 11th, 2015 at 15:23
Sorry, but when I was a teenage boy and “having hormones”, I got together with teenage girls. Teenage girls, OUTSIDE my bloodline. Call me goofy, but it seemed like the thing to do.
BigDumbWhiteGuy June 11th, 2015 at 18:11
“I’m not excusing it at all, what I’m saying is I don’t think that it is necessarily because it was because he wasn’t allowed to hold hands that that happened.”
Umm, are you sure you want to still go with that statement Pastor? Because if it wasn’t caused by teenage hormones with no healthy outlet, then what was it?
allison1050 June 11th, 2015 at 20:24
Oh you and those damned details.
Bob and Rose Berger June 11th, 2015 at 18:20
you are one ignorant person, who shouldn’t be preaching to anyone about anything.
SuZeQueue June 18th, 2015 at 03:54
It would be a wet dream for Feffress if he could have a show like the Duggars used to have. It would be a nightmare for the rest of us;
cecilia June 22nd, 2015 at 16:33
I love it when these morons use the “we are all sinners” garbage.
news flash: I’ve never molested anyone, especially a 5 year old.
the BIGGER crime is the way the parents mishandled this situation. How can you pay attention to your children when you have an entire brigade of them. And why insult your daughters by forcing them to live with their molester.
disgraceful in every single way
whatthe46 June 22nd, 2015 at 17:22
AMEN!!!