Study: ‘White’ Southerners Have More African Ancestry Than They Realize
Most of us observed White Supremacist Craig Cobb’s reaction when a black talk show host revealed his DNA results and said, “You have a little black in you.”
The DNA results didn’t shock most of us, but Cobb was in denial. It turns out, the South is populated by self-identified white people who also have African American ancestry.
In a new study published in the American Journal of Human Genetics, researchers used the ancestry data compiled by the commercial genetic testing company 23and Me to measure the percentage of African ancestry of people who self-identified as white. It turns out that self-identified white people who live in the South have the highest concentrations of African DNA.
In South Carolina and Louisiana — the states shaded the darkest green on the map above — researchers found that one in 20 people who called themselves white had at least 2 percent African ancestry. And in a lot of the South, about 10 percent of people who identified as white turned out to have African DNA….
They could even pin down the timing: the mixture generally occurred in the early 1800s, when slavery was legal. That, of course, reflects what historians know about white slave owners raping enslaved women who descended from Africa.
My Conservative brother was very disappointed when he got his DNA results. My family’s ancestry is really, really white. He was disappointed. He was hoping for a little bit of each race. Suck it up, Bro. We are what we are. His gorgeous black wife loves him for who he is.
White Southerners will get over their shock, too.
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By: Anomaly100
tracey marie December 22nd, 2014 at 16:54
nice link
tracey marie December 22nd, 2014 at 17:54
nice link
Khary A December 22nd, 2014 at 17:04
Does this mean when the Klan strings up a black guy that its now that black on black crime they are so apt to bring up?
The last of the Thousad Sons December 22nd, 2014 at 18:04
Does this mean when the Klan strings up a black guy that its now that black on black crime they are so apt to bring up?
whatthe46 December 22nd, 2014 at 17:57
this comes of no surprise.
whatthe46 December 22nd, 2014 at 18:57
this comes of no surprise.
StoneyCurtisll December 22nd, 2014 at 18:06
RIP Joe Cocker…….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POaaw_x7gvQ
StoneyCurtisll December 22nd, 2014 at 18:16
She came in through the bathroom window…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8IvCyw_aTQ
Hirightnow December 22nd, 2014 at 19:14
Is that Leon?
EDIT: didn’t see the the title…it WAS Leon.
StoneyCurtisll December 22nd, 2014 at 19:34
Yep…
Leon Russel..
On guitar…
Not the piano as he usually plays..
Anomaly 100 December 22nd, 2014 at 20:14
I saw him play many times in New Orleans.
StoneyCurtisll December 22nd, 2014 at 20:27
Good memories I’m sure..:)
Anomaly 100 December 22nd, 2014 at 20:47
For sure. Some of the best!
burqa January 2nd, 2015 at 05:15
I last saw him about 5 or 6 years ago in an old movie theater in Fairfax County, Va. I swear, the man’s beard has expanded to where it occupies every bit of his face not covered by his shades. He drifted in and barely moved, other than his hands on the keyboards.
I been a big Leon Russell fan going way back to Mad Dogs and Englishmen….
Anomaly 100 January 2nd, 2015 at 09:35
Me too. Always a fan. He’s really good live.
burqa January 2nd, 2015 at 14:16
I recall coming away from that one feeling really goood.
Just one other concert comes to mind. It must’ve been the mid-80s, a twin bill with Edgar Winter at the Warner Theater in D.C., as I recall. Seems to me there was another one, but it doesn’t come to mind…I’m sure you got to see a lot of exhilarating performances in New Orleans…..I’ve just been there once and want to go back….
Anomaly 100 January 2nd, 2015 at 14:27
What was the first band you saw in concert?
burqa January 2nd, 2015 at 14:45
B.B. King, Kennedy Center in D.C.
How about you?
Anomaly 100 January 2nd, 2015 at 15:03
Heh. I went to see the Allman brothers. They played with some band called Spooky Tooth. I was underweight and anemic at the time, so I fainted in the crowd. People came rushing over to revive me asking, “What did you take? What did you take so we can help you?”
I said, “Nothing.”
They kept shouting at me to tell them.
I was in my early teens. I just fainted FFS, not on drugs.
burqa January 2nd, 2015 at 15:25
……so the medics came out and took you backstage to revive and you came to with Gregg Alman leaning over you, looking concerned. He was so gentle. Next thing you knew, you were on tour with 5-gallon buckets of pharmaceutical grade and everything was going swimmingly until that bitch Cher showed up…..
Yeah, I vaguely recall a band called Spooky Tooth. Boogie jug band or something. Couldn’t name a tune, no wait, did they do one that went something like “Doctor, doctor…”? or maybe it was “I…don’t need no doctor…” – can’t recall any more of it.
Can you think of a band that disappointed you in concert? (It’ll be a gas if we both name the same one)
StoneyCurtisll December 22nd, 2014 at 19:06
RIP Joe Cocker…….nnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POaaw_x7gvQ
StoneyCurtisll December 22nd, 2014 at 19:16
She came in through the bathroom window…nnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8IvCyw_aTQ
Hirightnow December 22nd, 2014 at 20:14
Is that Leon?nEDIT: didn’t see the the title…it WAS Leon.
StoneyCurtisll December 22nd, 2014 at 20:34
Yep…nLeon Russel..nnnOn guitar…nNot the piano as he usually plays..
Anomaly 100 December 22nd, 2014 at 21:14
I saw him play many times in New Orleans.
StoneyCurtisll December 22nd, 2014 at 21:27
Good memories I’m sure..:)
Anomaly 100 December 22nd, 2014 at 21:47
For sure. Some of the best!
burqa January 2nd, 2015 at 06:15
I last saw him about 5 or 6 years ago in an old movie theater in Fairfax County, Va. I swear, the man’s beard has expanded to where it occupies every bit of his face not covered by his shades. He drifted in and barely moved, other than his hands on the keyboards.
I been a big Leon Russell fan going way back to Mad Dogs and Englishmen….
Anomaly 100 January 2nd, 2015 at 10:35
Me too. Always a fan. He’s really good live.
burqa January 2nd, 2015 at 15:16
I recall coming away from that one feeling really goood.
Just one other concert comes to mind. It must’ve been the mid-80s, a twin bill with Edgar Winter at the Warner Theater in D.C., as I recall. Seems to me there was another one, but it doesn’t come to mind…I’m sure you got to see a lot of exhilarating performances in New Orleans…..I’ve just been there once and want to go back….
Anomaly 100 January 2nd, 2015 at 15:27
What was the first band you saw in concert?
burqa January 2nd, 2015 at 15:45
B.B. King, Kennedy Center in D.C.
How about you?
Anomaly 100 January 2nd, 2015 at 16:03
Heh. I went to see the Allman brothers. They played with some band called Spooky Tooth. I was underweight and anemic at the time, so I fainted in the crowd. People came rushing over to revive me asking, “What did you take? What did you take so we can help you?”
I said, “Nothing.”
They kept shouting at me to tell them.
I was in my early teens. I just fainted FFS, not on drugs.
burqa January 2nd, 2015 at 16:25
……so the medics came out and took you backstage to revive and you came to with Gregg Alman leaning over you, looking concerned. He was so gentle. Next thing you knew, you were on tour with 5-gallon buckets of pharmaceutical grade and everything was going swimmingly until that bitch Cher showed up…..
Yeah, I vaguely recall a band called Spooky Tooth. Boogie jug band or something. Couldn’t name a tune, no wait, did they do one that went something like “Doctor, doctor…”? or maybe it was “I…don’t need no doctor…” – can’t recall any more of it.
Can you think of a band that disappointed you in concert? (It’ll be a gas if we both name the same one)
burqa December 22nd, 2014 at 18:24
OP: “White Southerners will get over their shock, too.”
I’m a white Southerner and I’m not shocked at all and I seriously doubt a number of my fellow Southerners will be either. That’s because a lot of us are really into our genealogy and history. Many of us have a deeper connection to our ancestors than many in other sections of the country.
Here a Southerner repents:
“… Although it wrenches my soul to confront it, there are reasons why the South has so often been wracked by racial rioting—by outpourings of the rage of the downtrodden against an unjust civilization. However much the states of the old Confederacy may seek to deny it, they cannot. People do not take to the streets, burn their homes and cities, unless pressed beyond forbearance by the cruelty of the oppressor’s iron fist.
Thus these eruptions of racial desperation have occurred all across Dixie: in Detroit, Ferguson, Los Angeles, Brooklyn, Berkeley, Seattle, Washington DC, Watts, St. Louis, Cincinnati, and Philadelphia. Yes. Though I am a son of the Southland, I will not lie. The truth is the truth. I bow my head in shame.
And I am further forced to own that, while the black population of the North prospers, and mingles easily with its white brethren in casual but sincere amity, in the South the Negro huddles in the slums, denied schooling, and living on the meager charity of whites. Should you doubt this, look to Newark, Trenton, Camden, Detroit, Chicago, Flint, and Gary. The flowering of blacks in the North a century and a half after the end of the Civil War, the rise in scholarly achievement, the frequent and accepted intermarriage of the races—here we have irrefutable proof of the superior moral culture of the North.
There is worse. The absence of all artistic expression in the South, of anything higher than the dull, the stolid, the ignorant and industrial—oh, I can hardly go on, so greatly does it pain me.
Yet I will bear up manfully, and say it: The South has been devoid of all culture. Yes. From Massachusetts came country music, gospel, jazz, blues, bluegrass, Cajun, Zydeco, indeed all music that is originally and characteristically American. And it was a young man from Tupelo, New Jersey, who brought about rock’n’roll. …”
http://www.fredoneverything.net/South.shtml
uzza December 22nd, 2014 at 18:59
The blues comes from Massachusetts! Who knew?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a2P-fJhN7U
StoneyCurtisll December 22nd, 2014 at 19:46
American music.,..
Got to love it..
Meet me at the cross roads..
American Music..
The Blasters..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77B6XjE4VBs
burqa January 2nd, 2015 at 05:11
There’s a nice historic marker at the Crossroads in Clarksdale, Mississippi and a wonderful blues museum nearby.
Highway 61, baby….
Oh, and do you like ska?
That came from the South, too:
http://www.oxfordamerican.org/articles/2014/feb/18/chop-upbeat/
StoneyCurtisll December 22nd, 2014 at 19:52
James Brown..
Race with the Devil..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-BHzHAmCCk
Obewon December 22nd, 2014 at 21:44
This Steve Earle toon is realistically southern. Crikey! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvaEJzoaYZk
Anomaly 100 December 22nd, 2014 at 20:13
I’ve spent a good deal of my life in the South. i was referring to a special breed of Southerners who believe the South will rise again. I’ve met so many like that.
burqa January 2nd, 2015 at 05:06
Point well taken.
When I hear that, I point out that the observer has somehow missed the fact that the South already rose again.
It took the New Deal to get it going, but now the region is a wonderful place to live and the last census and the one previous to that showed it is the most popular area of the country to move to. People are fleeing other parts of the country to move here more than any other region, and for many good reasons.
Obewon December 22nd, 2014 at 20:42
“I’m a white Southerner” Er uhmm maybe not so much.
Your native American heritage I am sure of though!
StoneyCurtisll December 22nd, 2014 at 21:14
Good response to the above comment..
I wasn’t sure how to take it or respond.
I was born and raised in Missouri..
54 years later..
I still dont know if i was born a “Southerner or a Northerner”..
And other than a historical standpoint, I really dont care.
I do know that the buying, selling, and trading in human beings is an abomination and unacceptable on any level..
And when I see, (frequently) a confederate flag displayed in the back window of a pickup truck, I know why it is there..
It aint about states rights or southern pride..
it’s nothing more than a not so thinly veiled racist display.
Obewon December 22nd, 2014 at 21:30
As a kid when I’d say ‘we should…’ my 1/8th Cherokee native American Long Beach, California born mom would say ‘What do you mean “we” white-man?’ Similarly she refused our heritages membership, with the other half of our families southern bell roots in the Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) quoting Marx: “I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member.”-Groucho. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgffRW1fKDk
burqa January 2nd, 2015 at 04:58
Why not ask the person and find out, instead of employing a shallow stereotype?
Having lived nearly all my life in the South, I’d say the majority view the battle flag as simply a Southern symbol and many get a kick out of how it pisses people off who don’t like us anyway and tend toward bigotry regarding us and employ shallow stereotypes about us, falsely judging us. I don’t like racists and I don’t like bigots with other targets, whether it is gays, Muslims, atheists, immigrants or Southerners.
A lot of us are dismayed that racists have taken that flag as a symbol, just as I’m sure all Americans are dismayed to see old pictures of hundreds of Klansmen marching in parades holding Old Glory.
StoneyCurtisll January 2nd, 2015 at 16:52
I live in Missouri…
So I know both southern and northern culture…
We here have a little of both in us.
I live right along the border with Kansas where my ancestors were fighting the border wars before the Civil war began..
burqa January 2nd, 2015 at 17:33
Going in a direct line, I’m a 13th generation Southerner and one could toss in the word “purebred” because that’s all there is to be found in my ancestry in any of the half dozen or so lines I’ve seen traced extensively back to the first immigrant here in each.
Being Southern is something felt in the bones and it has a depth and complexity such that we never seem to get to the bottom of it. There’s no doubt about it if one has it. There’s no faking it and we recognize our own.
What I have noticed is some people begin with a false premise about us. They identify us with slavery and that’s as far as they can go. Therefore, any expression of our culture therefore is an expression of racism. So when they hear “Dixie,” to take a recent example I encountered elsewhere, they see it as racist and anyone who sings or plays or likes the song must therefore be a racist. These people won’t be satisfied until we have been completely censored and our culture erased, from Faulkner to Elvis.
Sorry, it ain’t happening.
Unfortunately, they seem to be mostly on the Left of the political spectrum. I would prefer the Right have a monopoly on that sort of weak thinking.
Given the expressed sensitivity to bigotry from liberals, it would seem they would see this more easily than conservatives, but they don’t. They seem to be waiting for the herd to move that way or to have a leading figure on the Left to say something first.
burqa January 2nd, 2015 at 04:16
Yeah, I have Indian ancestors, too. All anyone need do is keep going back and intermarriage with other races will be found in everyone, eventually. I see nothing objectionable at all to that, but see it as a good thing.
I’m classified as a caucasian, though.
Rhondayes December 23rd, 2014 at 14:25
You state it so proudly. “…have a deeper connection to our ancestors” when it was those same ancestors that stripped black people of their family connections. selling families, separating husbands and wives, mothers from children, children, from fathers, brothers, from sisters. destroyers of history and people and unimaginable cruelties. Something else deprived from black people. no history, no connections, no traditions, and deliberate instability. After all of this, Jim Crow and jealousy and malicious destruction of a budding society built on segregation and success (Black Wall Street, for one)
burqa January 2nd, 2015 at 04:48
Yes, I am proud of the culture I came out of and of my ancestors, several of which fought in the Revolution to win our independence. I hope you don’t mind me being proud of them.
Slavery was obviously not just wrong, but evil. But if I knew everything about you, I would not judge you solely on the bad things you have done. I think you can see how unfair that would be and would extend the same consideration to others.
Slavery was evil and we paid a heavy price for it. A horrendous, bloody war was fought mostly on our soil, a war in which our civilians were specifically targeted. I type this in a town that was shelled by Union artillery aiming to destroy the whole town, which was their custom. Further north is a town where Union troops were greeted with cheers by crowds who then watched as those troops looted and then burned their homes and barns to the ground.
The Union armies stole all the food, causing famine which killed many, white and black. They destroyed public records, quartered horses in churches and destroyed as much infrastructure as they could. Keep in mind that until about 1860, most Southerners opposed secession and even after the war began, there were huge numbers of Southerners who opposed it and sought to abolish slavery, but they were still targeted by the Union armies.
We then suffered a decade of Reconstruction where further looting took place on a broad scale, which was followed by an economic depression.
Now, if you want to say we deserved to pay that price I won’t argue with you. But I’ll point out that the North never paid such a price for their own slavery (elements of which you described). They rejected bills in Congress to ban slavery throughout the country during the war and slavery was not outlawed in the North until about 2 years after the Emancipation Proclamation.
If you have ancestors who were here then in any part of the country, the chances are they benefited from slavery. It would be interesting to find out if any of them were among those who sent other of my ancestors on the Trail of Tears.
So the question naturally arises, do you blame just one region for holding slaves when it was legal in the North as well?
One hopes you are aware that there are plenty of positive aspects to Southern culture.
burqa December 22nd, 2014 at 19:24
OP: “White Southerners will get over their shock, too.”nnI’m a white Southerner and I’m not shocked at all and I seriously doubt a number of my fellow Southerners will be either. That’s because a lot of us are really into our genealogy and history. Many of us have a deeper connection to our ancestors than many in other sections of the country.nnHere a Southerner repents:n”… Although it wrenches my soul to confront it, there are reasons why the South has so often been wracked by racial riotingu2014by outpourings of the rage of the downtrodden against an unjust civilization. However much the states of the old Confederacy may seek to deny it, they cannot. People do not take to the streets, burn their homes and cities, unless pressed beyond forbearance by the cruelty of the oppressoru2019s iron fist.nnThus these eruptions of racial desperation have occurred all across Dixie: in Detroit, Ferguson, Los Angeles, Brooklyn, Berkeley, Seattle, Washington DC, Watts, St. Louis, Cincinnati, and Philadelphia. Yes. Though I am a son of the Southland, I will not lie. The truth is the truth. I bow my head in shame.nnAnd I am further forced to own that, while the black population of the North prospers, and mingles easily with its white brethren in casual but sincere amity, in the South the Negro huddles in the slums, denied schooling, and living on the meager charity of whites. Should you doubt this, look to Newark, Trenton, Camden, Detroit, Chicago, Flint, and Gary. The flowering of blacks in the North a century and a half after the end of the Civil War, the rise in scholarly achievement, the frequent and accepted intermarriage of the racesu2014here we have irrefutable proof of the superior moral culture of the North. nnThere is worse. The absence of all artistic expression in the South, of anything higher than the dull, the stolid, the ignorant and industrialu2014oh, I can hardly go on, so greatly does it pain me.nnYet I will bear up manfully, and say it: The South has been devoid of all culture. Yes. From Massachusetts came country music, gospel, jazz, blues, bluegrass, Cajun, Zydeco, indeed all music that is originally and characteristically American. And it was a young man from Tupelo, New Jersey, who brought about rocku2019nu2019roll. …”nnhttp://www.fredoneverything.net/South.shtml
uzza December 22nd, 2014 at 19:59
The blues comes from Massachusetts! Who knew?nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a2P-fJhN7U
StoneyCurtisll December 22nd, 2014 at 20:46
American music.,..nGot to love it..nMeet me at the cross roads..nn American Music..nThe Blasters..nnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77B6XjE4VBs
burqa January 2nd, 2015 at 06:11
There’s a nice historic marker at the Crossroads in Clarksdale, Mississippi and a wonderful blues museum nearby.
Highway 61, baby….
Oh, and do you like ska?
That came from the South, too:
http://www.oxfordamerican.org/articles/2014/feb/18/chop-upbeat/
StoneyCurtisll December 22nd, 2014 at 20:52
James Brown..nRace with the Devil..nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-BHzHAmCCk
Obewon December 22nd, 2014 at 22:44
This Steve Earle toon is realistically southern. Crikey! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvaEJzoaYZk
Anomaly 100 December 22nd, 2014 at 21:13
I’ve spent a good deal of my life in the South. i was referring to a special breed of Southerners who believe the South will rise again. I’ve met so many like that.
burqa January 2nd, 2015 at 06:06
Point well taken.
When I hear that, I point out that the observer has somehow missed the fact that the South already rose again.
It took the New Deal to get it going, but now the region is a wonderful place to live and the last census and the one previous to that showed it is the most popular area of the country to move to. People are fleeing other parts of the country to move here more than any other region, and for many good reasons.
Obewon December 22nd, 2014 at 21:42
“I’m a white Southerner” Er uhmm maybe not so much. nYour native American heritage I am sure of though!
StoneyCurtisll December 22nd, 2014 at 22:14
Good response to the above comment..nI wasn’t sure how to take it or respond.nnnnI was born and raised in Missouri..n54 years later..nI still dont know if i was born a “Southerner or a Northerner”..nAnd other than a historical standpoint, I really dont care. nnnnI do know that the buying, selling, and trading in human beings is an abomination and unacceptable on any level..nnn And when I see, (frequently) a confederate flag displayed in the back window of a pickup truck, I know why it is there..nIt aint about states rights or southern pride..nnnit’s nothing more than a not so thinly veiled racist display.
Obewon December 22nd, 2014 at 22:30
As a kid when I’d say ‘we should…’ my 1/8th Cherokee native American Long Beach, California born mom would say ‘What do you mean “we” white-man?’ Similarly she refused our heritages membership, with the other half of our families southern bell roots in the Daughters of the American Revolution (DAR) quoting Marx: “I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member.”-Groucho. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgffRW1fKDk
burqa January 2nd, 2015 at 05:58
Why not ask the person and find out, instead of employing a shallow stereotype?
Having lived nearly all my life in the South, I’d say the majority view the battle flag as simply a Southern symbol and many get a kick out of how it pisses people off who don’t like us anyway and tend toward bigotry regarding us and employ shallow stereotypes about us, falsely judging us. I don’t like racists and I don’t like bigots with other targets, whether it is gays, Muslims, atheists, immigrants or Southerners.
A lot of us are dismayed that racists have taken that flag as a symbol, just as I’m sure all Americans are dismayed to see old pictures of hundreds of Klansmen marching in parades holding Old Glory.
StoneyCurtisll January 2nd, 2015 at 17:52
I live in Missouri…
So I know both southern and northern culture…
We here have a little of both in us.
I live right along the border with Kansas where my ancestors were fighting the border wars before the Civil war began..
burqa January 2nd, 2015 at 18:33
Going in a direct line, I’m a 13th generation Southerner and one could toss in the word “purebred” because that’s all there is to be found in my ancestry in any of the half dozen or so lines I’ve seen traced extensively back to the first immigrant here in each.
Being Southern is something felt in the bones and it has a depth and complexity such that we never seem to get to the bottom of it. There’s no doubt about it if one has it. There’s no faking it and we recognize our own.
What I have noticed is some people begin with a false premise about us. They identify us with slavery and that’s as far as they can go. Therefore, any expression of our culture therefore is an expression of racism. So when they hear “Dixie,” to take a recent example I encountered elsewhere, they see it as racist and anyone who sings or plays or likes the song must therefore be a racist. These people won’t be satisfied until we have been completely censored and our culture erased, from Faulkner to Elvis.
Sorry, it ain’t happening.
Unfortunately, they seem to be mostly on the Left of the political spectrum. I would prefer the Right have a monopoly on that sort of weak thinking.
Given the expressed sensitivity to bigotry from liberals, it would seem they would see this more easily than conservatives, but they don’t. They seem to be waiting for the herd to move that way or to have a leading figure on the Left to say something first.
burqa January 2nd, 2015 at 05:16
Yeah, I have Indian ancestors, too. All anyone need do is keep going back and intermarriage with other races will be found in everyone, eventually. I see nothing objectionable at all to that, but see it as a good thing.
I’m classified as a caucasian, though.
Rhondayes December 23rd, 2014 at 15:25
You state it so proudly. “…have a deeper connection to our ancestors” when it was those same ancestors that stripped black people of their family connections. selling families, separating husbands and wives, mothers from children, children, from fathers, brothers, from sisters. destroyers of history and people and unimaginable cruelties. Something else deprived from black people. no history, no connections, no traditions, and deliberate instability. After all of this, Jim Crow and jealousy and malicious destruction of a budding society built on segregation and success (Black Wall Street, for one)
burqa January 2nd, 2015 at 05:48
Yes, I am proud of the culture I came out of and of my ancestors, several of which fought in the Revolution to win our independence. I hope you don’t mind me being proud of them.
Slavery was obviously not just wrong, but evil. But if I knew everything about you, I would not judge you solely on the bad things you have done. I think you can see how unfair that would be and would extend the same consideration to others.
Slavery was evil and we paid a heavy price for it. A horrendous, bloody war was fought mostly on our soil, a war in which our civilians were specifically targeted. I type this in a town that was shelled by Union artillery aiming to destroy the whole town, which was their custom. Further north is a town where Union troops were greeted with cheers by crowds who then watched as those troops looted and then burned their homes and barns to the ground.
The Union armies stole all the food, causing famine which killed many, white and black. They destroyed public records, quartered horses in churches and destroyed as much infrastructure as they could. Keep in mind that until about 1860, most Southerners opposed secession and even after the war began, there were huge numbers of Southerners who opposed it and sought to abolish slavery, but they were still targeted by the Union armies.
We then suffered a decade of Reconstruction where further looting took place on a broad scale, which was followed by an economic depression.
Now, if you want to say we deserved to pay that price I won’t argue with you. But I’ll point out that the North never paid such a price for their own slavery (elements of which you described). They rejected bills in Congress to ban slavery throughout the country during the war and slavery was not outlawed in the North until about 2 years after the Emancipation Proclamation.
If you have ancestors who were here then in any part of the country, the chances are they benefited from slavery. It would be interesting to find out if any of them were among those who sent other of my ancestors on the Trail of Tears.
So the question naturally arises, do you blame just one region for holding slaves when it was legal in the North as well?
One hopes you are aware that there are plenty of positive aspects to Southern culture.
Bunya December 22nd, 2014 at 18:38
This isn’t new. It’s been well known for a long time that plantation owners had sex with their slaves. And who had more slaves that southern plantation owners?
StoneyCurtisll December 22nd, 2014 at 19:09
Thomas Jefferson agrees…
What good is a female slave if she cant cook, clean the house or have sex with…
I know that sounds a little harsh, but there was no love relationship between Jefferson and his property, (Sally Hemings)..
Their relationship was based on a master and slave situation.
Rhondayes December 23rd, 2014 at 14:17
Not true. Jefferson had it bad for Sally Hemings; his wife’s sister. He freed some of his slaves, his and Sally’s children, but not her. I don’t think Sally understood she was a rape victim, because I don’t believe she would have ever left him. Maybe you’re right.
burqa January 2nd, 2015 at 05:21
You only need one, and many in the North had one……or more……
…………………and wealthy people have taken advantage of servants since recorded time began and we’ll be seeing it for the rest of our lives, periodically…
The point is that character flaws are not determined by geography, neatly hemmed in by dotted lines on a map. Unreasonable stereotypes are, though, at times and are to be avoided and seen for being false.
Bunya December 22nd, 2014 at 19:38
This isn’t new. It’s been well known for a long time that plantation owners had sex with their slaves. And who had more slaves that southern plantation owners?
StoneyCurtisll December 22nd, 2014 at 20:09
Thomas Jefferson agrees…nWhat good is a female slave if she cant cook, clean the house or have sex with…n I know that sounds a little harsh, but there was no love relationship between Jefferson and his property, (Sally Hemings)..nTheir relationship was based on a master and slave situation.
Rhondayes December 23rd, 2014 at 15:17
Not true. Jefferson had it bad for Sally Hemings; his wife’s sister. He freed some of his slaves, his and Sally’s children, but not her. I don’t think Sally understood she was a rape victim, because I don’t believe she would have ever left him. Maybe you’re right.
burqa January 2nd, 2015 at 06:21
You only need one, and many in the North had one……or more……
…………………and wealthy people have taken advantage of servants since recorded time began and we’ll be seeing it for the rest of our lives, periodically…
The point is that character flaws are not determined by geography, neatly hemmed in by dotted lines on a map. Unreasonable stereotypes are, though, at times and are to be avoided and seen for being false.
Dwendt44 December 22nd, 2014 at 18:51
Hitler has Jewish relatives in his history. Self hate perhaps? True in the South as well, the children of slave/owner sex were also raped, as were the second generation and so on. Hence the small percentages. At the time, they had a ‘title’ for each level of ‘white’ or ‘black’ on a person. I have forgotten what the % was in some states that made you ‘black’, one drop it was termed.
whatthe46 December 22nd, 2014 at 20:10
yep. one drop.
Dwendt44 December 22nd, 2014 at 19:51
Hitler has Jewish relatives in his history. Self hate perhaps? True in the South as well, the children of slave/owner sex were also raped, as were the second generation and so on. Hence the small percentages. At the time, they had a ‘title’ for each level of ‘white’ or ‘black’ on a person. I have forgotten what the % was in some states that made you ‘black’, one drop it was termed.
whatthe46 December 22nd, 2014 at 21:10
yep. one drop.
Hirightnow December 22nd, 2014 at 19:12
How long before some doofus claims that this is the reason for all the protesting by “white” people?
Hirightnow December 22nd, 2014 at 20:12
How long before some doofus claims that this is the reason for all the protesting by “white” people?
allison1050 December 22nd, 2014 at 20:51
This isn’t really news especially to white southern doctors. For decades they’ve told while patients that they have leukemia rather than give them the unfortunate news that what they REALLY have is cycle cell anemia. Oh the irony of it all. ;o)
StoneyCurtisll December 22nd, 2014 at 21:24
Then there was the The Tuskegee syphilis experiments..
where “negro” males were used as Guinea pigs..(1930’s-1970’s)
http://www.cdc.gov/tuskegee/timeline.htm
allison1050 December 23rd, 2014 at 04:44
I was thinking about that very thing Stoney while I was writing my 1st comment. There’s nothing worse than bad secrets. I worked in nursing my last 13 yrs. that I worked some of which were in nursing homes and came across the occasional white female patient that had syphilis but had never been told their doctor! Horrible
StoneyCurtisll December 23rd, 2014 at 10:47
Thats shocking.
allison1050 December 23rd, 2014 at 11:24
Sadly it’s true Stoney and there’s not a damned thing that can be said by the staff. I was stunned the 1st time I came across it but almost became numb as time went on but my humanity wouldn’t allow it so I’d just say a quick prayer. This is 1 of my bad secrets that was never talked about by staff even with each other.
Rhondayes December 23rd, 2014 at 13:54
Allison, I didn’t know this…what a great new thought to mull over and check out.
allison1050 December 23rd, 2014 at 15:10
Rhondayes, allow me to tell you that I no longer work and the 1st time I’ve spoken (written) about it so just know this, you’ll more than likely never get a nurse or a C.N.A. to speak to you about it..never because they have to protect their licence which allows them to work. They don’t even discuss it among themselves.
allison1050 December 22nd, 2014 at 21:51
This isn’t really news especially to white southern doctors. For decades they’ve told while patients that they have leukemia rather than give them the unfortunate news that what they REALLY have is cycle cell anemia. Oh the irony of it all. ;o)
StoneyCurtisll December 22nd, 2014 at 22:24
Then there was the The Tuskegee syphilis experiments..nwhere “negro” males were used as Guinea pigs..(1930’s-1970’s) nhttp://www.cdc.gov/tuskegee/timeline.htm
allison1050 December 23rd, 2014 at 05:44
I was thinking about that very thing Stoney while I was writing my 1st comment. There’s nothing worse than bad secrets. I worked in nursing my last 13 yrs. that I worked some of which were in nursing homes and came across the occasional white female patient that had syphilis but had never been told their doctor! Horrible
StoneyCurtisll December 23rd, 2014 at 11:47
Thats shocking.
allison1050 December 23rd, 2014 at 12:24
Sadly it’s true Stoney and there’s not a damned thing that can be said by the staff. I was stunned the 1st time I came across it but almost became numb as time went on but my humanity wouldn’t allow it so I’d just say a quick prayer. This is 1 of my bad secrets that was never talked about by staff even with each other.
Rhondayes December 23rd, 2014 at 14:54
Allison, I didn’t know this…what a great new thought to mull over and check out.
allison1050 December 23rd, 2014 at 16:10
Rhondayes, allow me to tell you that I no longer work and the 1st time I’ve spoken (written) about it so just know this, you’ll more than likely never get a nurse or a C.N.A. to speak to you about it..never because they have to protect their licence which allows them to work. They don’t even discuss it among themselves.
Rhondayes December 23rd, 2014 at 13:51
I recall reading that when a white woman gave birth and the child was obviously not her husbands, but of a darker hue the child was left to die by not tying the umbilical cord.The husband was consulted to make a judgement on the health of his wife. [WINK} [WINK]
Rhondayes December 23rd, 2014 at 14:51
I recall reading that when a white woman gave birth and the child was obviously not her husbands, but of a darker hue the child was left to die by not tying the umbilical cord.The husband was consulted to make a judgement on the health of his wife. [WINK} [WINK]