Police Officer Shoots 12-Year-Old Boy Carrying BB Gun
A Cleveland police officer shot a 12-year-old boy (not pictured) outside a city recreation center late Saturday afternoon after the boy pulled a BB gun from his waistband, according to police.
A relative of the boy is seen crying on the ground after hearing of the shooting
“The guy keeps pulling it in and out…it’s probably fake, but he’s scaring the s*** out of people,” he added.
Cleveland.com reports that the rookie officer saw a black gun sitting on the table, and he saw the boy pick up the gun and put it in his waistband, Cleveland Police Patrolmen’s Association President Jeffrey Follmer said.
When the officer got out of the car, he told the boy to put his hands up.
That’s when the boy reached into his waistband, pulled out the BB gun and the rookie officer fired two shots, Tomba said.
According to Tomba, the child did not threaten the officer verbally or physically. The weapon was not pointed at police officers.
The child was shot in the stomach and transported to a local hospital. He’s listed in serious condition.
“We don’t come to work everyday and want to use force on anybody,” Tomba said. “That’s not what our job is. We’re part of this community.”
“When an officer gives a command, we expect it to be followed,” Tomba said. “The way it looks like right now, it wasn’t followed, but we’re going to continue our investigation.”
According to 19 Action News, police say the weapon was an “airsoft” type replica gun, resembling a semi-automatic pistol, with the orange safety indicator removed.
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By: Anomaly100
Kim Serrahn November 23rd, 2014 at 10:06
I wonder if the cop that shot is mad because he didn’t get his kill shot.
rg9rts November 23rd, 2014 at 10:48
It still counts for the NRA shooter of the month award
Kim Serrahn November 23rd, 2014 at 11:08
yeah, but he wasn’t a cop, was he?
rg9rts November 23rd, 2014 at 11:25
Not that one…a gang member …the one you are thinking of was a cop that shot an innocent 28 yr old in a dark hallway
Kim Serrahn November 23rd, 2014 at 11:45
my bad. and both these cops were rookies weren’t they?
rg9rts November 23rd, 2014 at 12:13
18 month rookies
Kim Serrahn November 23rd, 2014 at 12:12
Just found out the child died.
rg9rts November 23rd, 2014 at 13:19
so sad
Teddy Simon November 23rd, 2014 at 10:55
Are you mad because you weren’t born with a brain
Kim Serrahn November 23rd, 2014 at 11:07
It’s called S a r c a s m………………….. And you can never know the anger that I feel against these kill happy cops.
Kim Serrahn November 23rd, 2014 at 12:13
The child died…… still want to talk about who has a brain.
RD81 November 23rd, 2014 at 12:17
That cop is probably going to beat himself up about this shooting for the rest of his life. Even more so now that the kid has died. I’m betting that you don’t care about that. You’re probably far more content believing that all cops are evil.
Kim Serrahn November 23rd, 2014 at 13:07
I hope he does because the child’s parents have to. Cops are taught now days see a gun draw and fire their own. There is no more assess the situation first and then if necessary draw. How many more child and adults have to die at the hands of cops before there is a change in training? I feel no pity for cops that shoot first and ask questions later.
RD81 November 23rd, 2014 at 13:12
How many more people are going to disregard common sense, safety and the law (Cleveland (§ 627.10(a)) prohibits any person from carrying or having in his or her possession or ready at hand any BB or pellet gun while at or about a public place.) before they realize that it can get them killed?
If the police see someone with a gun and they make ANY actions that are threatening to the police or the public at large, deadly force is authorized.
Kim Serrahn November 23rd, 2014 at 16:00
Ohio is an open carry state, but is it open carry only for certain people. Also he was a kid and kids normally don’t even listen to their parents. He didn’t have to open fire there were other ways of handling the situation. http://ohioccw.org/201404165111/cleveland-police-open-carry-policy-released.html
Christopher Warnack November 23rd, 2014 at 13:13
The cop did the right thing. The “child” was brandishing a gun that he had altered to make it look more realistic, pointing it at people at the park, which prompted the 911 call in the first place.
He chose to ignore the cop’s orders to “put his hands up” and instead reached for the gun in his waistband.
It’s sad that the boy died, and I’m sure the parents will be grieving, as well as the officer, however, your attitude towards cops isn’t necessary here.
The rookie cop made the right call, and to demonize him for that, to disrespect him, makes you a terrible person.
Let’s see what you do when you receive a call about a man pointing a gun at people, who reaches for it when you arrive on the scene.
Kim Serrahn November 23rd, 2014 at 16:05
http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/11/how-the-cleveland-police-had-to-rush/ and I thought it was only the criminals that changed their stories.
Scott Downey November 25th, 2014 at 10:10
The person that called 911 told the dispatcher that it was a toy gun. Still think the cops are lifesaving heroes?
JoeDrager November 23rd, 2014 at 11:28
As stupid as this black thug is, another cop will get the opportunity in the near future to finish the job.
Tyrone November 23rd, 2014 at 11:31
Bruh, arnt you a bit too old and fat to be on this website. You should look into losing weight and getting botox.
Kim Serrahn November 23rd, 2014 at 11:06
I wonder if the cop that shot is mad because he didn’t get his kill shot.
rg9rts November 23rd, 2014 at 11:48
It still counts for the NRA shooter of the month award,,,, thought in NYC we have the moron that shot his 9 month old in the stomach while cleaning his illegal pistol .. he and wifey were arrested
Kim Serrahn November 23rd, 2014 at 12:08
yeah, but he wasn’t a cop, was he?
rg9rts November 23rd, 2014 at 12:25
Not that one…a gang member …the one you are thinking of was a cop that shot an innocent 28 yr old in a dark hallway
Kim Serrahn November 23rd, 2014 at 12:45
my bad. and both these cops were rookies weren’t they?
rg9rts November 23rd, 2014 at 13:13
18 month rookies
Kim Serrahn November 23rd, 2014 at 13:12
Just found out the child died.
rg9rts November 23rd, 2014 at 14:19
so sad
Teddy Simon November 23rd, 2014 at 11:55
Are you mad because you weren’t born with a brain
Kim Serrahn November 23rd, 2014 at 12:07
It’s called S a r c a s m………………….. And you can never know the anger that I feel against these kill happy cops.
Kim Serrahn November 23rd, 2014 at 13:13
The child died…… still want to talk about who has a brain.
RD81 November 23rd, 2014 at 13:17
That cop is probably going to beat himself up about this shooting for the rest of his life. Even more so now that the kid has died. I’m betting that you don’t care about that. You’re probably far more content believing that all cops are evil.
Kim Serrahn November 23rd, 2014 at 14:07
I hope he does because the child’s parents have to. Cops are taught now days see a gun draw and fire their own. There is no more assess the situation first and then if necessary draw. How many more child and adults have to die at the hands of cops before there is a change in training? I feel no pity for cops that shoot first and ask questions later.
RD81 November 23rd, 2014 at 14:12
How many more people are going to disregard common sense, safety and the law (Cleveland (§ 627.10(a)) prohibits any person from carrying or having in his or her possession or ready at hand any BB or pellet gun while at or about a public place.) before they realize that it can get them killed?
If the police see someone with a gun and they make ANY actions that are threatening to the police or the public at large, deadly force is authorized.
Kim Serrahn November 23rd, 2014 at 17:00
Ohio is an open carry state, but is it open carry only for certain people. Also he was a kid and kids normally don’t even listen to their parents. He didn’t have to open fire there were other ways of handling the situation. http://ohioccw.org/201404165111/cleveland-police-open-carry-policy-released.html
Christopher Warnack November 23rd, 2014 at 14:13
The cop did the right thing. The “child” was brandishing a gun that he had altered to make it look more realistic, pointing it at people at the park, which prompted the 911 call in the first place.
He chose to ignore the cop’s orders to “put his hands up” and instead reached for the gun in his waistband.
It’s sad that the boy died, and I’m sure the parents will be grieving, as well as the officer, however, your attitude towards cops isn’t necessary here.
The rookie cop made the right call, and to demonize him for that, to disrespect him, makes you a terrible person.
Let’s see what you do when you receive a call about a man pointing a gun at people, who reaches for it when you arrive on the scene.
Kim Serrahn November 23rd, 2014 at 17:05
http://countercurrentnews.com/2014/11/how-the-cleveland-police-had-to-rush/ and I thought it was only the criminals that changed their stories.
Scott Downey November 25th, 2014 at 11:10
The person that called 911 told the dispatcher that it was a toy gun. Still think the cops are lifesaving heroes?
StoneyCurtisll November 23rd, 2014 at 10:25
A toy gun, a ‘BB’ gun or a pellet gun is good enough to get shot by the police..
Hell even reaching into your ‘waistband’ or for your ID is enough for the police to shoot at you..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8ZechD0qiY
eyelashviper November 23rd, 2014 at 11:24
This video really shows how a clearly frightened and impulsive cop did the wrong thing…it is fortunate that the person survived.
JoeDrager November 23rd, 2014 at 11:27
If you are an idiotic black thug (redundant I know), you’re right.
Christopher Warnack November 23rd, 2014 at 13:17
-Sigh- This guy tried to follow police orders, but did it in the wrong way. Instead of telling the officer that his ID was in his vehicle and that he’d get it, he stayed quiet and reached into a vehicle to grab “something”.
Should I google and post links for every video on the web of a cop being shot at a routine traffic stop?
StoneyCurtisll November 23rd, 2014 at 11:25
A toy gun, a ‘BB’ gun or a pellet gun is good enough to get shot by the police..
Hell even reaching into your ‘waistband’ or for your ID is enough for the police to shoot at you..
Even complying with police demands
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8ZechD0qiY
eyelashviper November 23rd, 2014 at 12:24
This video really shows how a clearly frightened and impulsive cop did the wrong thing…it is fortunate that the person survived.
Christopher Warnack November 23rd, 2014 at 14:17
-Sigh- This guy tried to follow police orders, but did it in the wrong way. Instead of telling the officer that his ID was in his vehicle and that he’d get it, he stayed quiet and reached into a vehicle to grab “something”.
Should I google and post links for every video on the web of a cop being shot at a routine traffic stop?
burqa November 23rd, 2014 at 10:26
I hate stories like this. It’s just awful for everyone involved and I don’t think there are any real answers.
JoeDrager November 23rd, 2014 at 11:26
Darwin published the answer long ago; it just takes a while.
mea_mark November 23rd, 2014 at 10:26
“When an officer gives a command, we expect it to be followed,” Tomba said. — Why would you expect that? The public doesn’t respect the police anymore. Until police departments clean up their act and earn the respect of the community they shouldn’t expect anything. When cops can gun people down with lethal force so easily they won’t be respected. Negotiation should be a thing all officers practice. That is what earns respect, not gunning people down in a park.
burqa November 23rd, 2014 at 10:32
I would add that a child doesn’t have the judgment all the time to comply, especially if the parents have done a poor job of raising them.
The po-lice will always have bad apples, just as any other large group of people in any profession will.
The cop had to make a split-second decision and tragedy ensued.
I doubt the cop knew it was a BB gun before he fired.
Budda November 23rd, 2014 at 10:34
Whether you respect the police or not when they give you a command your best move is to obey it.
rg9rts November 23rd, 2014 at 10:47
Unless you want extra ventilation
mea_mark November 23rd, 2014 at 11:56
Yeah, but they shouldn’t expect it.
Jane domes November 23rd, 2014 at 11:11
I guess they expect the general public does’nt want to be arrested,or shot.Pretty simple.
mea_mark November 23rd, 2014 at 11:58
At this point it almost doesn’t seem to matter what you do, you might get shot.
Christopher Warnack November 23rd, 2014 at 12:53
Only if you’re stupid enough to reach for a realistic looking gun after refusing to comply with the demands of the officer.
It doesn’t matter if you respect police officers or not, they’re still the law. Just because there’s a few bad apples that abuse their position doesn’t lower every cop to the same standard.
Just like how not every black person is a thug, right? Oh, when we use general stereotypes in that sense, it’s racism. When we use it against cops, however, it’s justified? Hypocrisy.
Cops expect their orders to be followed because they are the authoritative figure. Teachers expect their orders to be followed at school, bosses, supervisors, managers, they expect their orders to be followed at work. It’s not a matter of respect, it’s a matter of authority.
In fact, weren’t a lot of people, yourself probably included, bitching because George Zimmerman disregarded the orders of the dispatch and followed Trayvon Martin instead of waiting for the cops to show up?
Of course, now… that’s tune has changed.
The kid was pointing the gun at people in the park and the caller who dialed 911 in the first place didn’t know if the gun was real or fake him/herself. It’s even quoted in the article: “It’s probably fake, but he’s point it at everybody and scaring the hell out of the people here.”
The cop did what he had to do with the knowledge he had of the situation, and given the circumstances.
Yeah, it’s sad that the kid died, but that’s the consequence of his actions, and maybe if his parents or family had taught him how to respond to police officers, or better yet, how to handle a weapon in the first place, then he’d still be alive today.
mea_mark November 23rd, 2014 at 13:21
Oh great, another person that likes to stroke their ego and upvote themselves.
JoeDrager November 23rd, 2014 at 11:26
The kid pulled an Executive Order, and the cop shot it down.
burqa November 23rd, 2014 at 11:26
I hate stories like this. It’s just awful for everyone involved and I don’t think there are any real answers.
JoeDrager November 23rd, 2014 at 12:26
Darwin published the answer long ago; it just takes a while.
mea_mark November 23rd, 2014 at 11:26
“When an officer gives a command, we expect it to be followed,” Tomba said. — Why would you expect that? The public doesn’t respect the police anymore. Until police departments clean up their act and earn the respect of the community they shouldn’t expect anything. When cops can gun people down with lethal force so easily they won’t be respected. Negotiation should be a thing all officers practice. That is what earns respect, not gunning people down in a park.
burqa November 23rd, 2014 at 11:32
I would add that a child doesn’t have the judgment all the time to comply, especially if the parents have done a poor job of raising them.
The po-lice will always have bad apples, just as any other large group of people in any profession will.
The cop had to make a split-second decision and tragedy ensued.
I doubt the cop knew it was a BB gun before he fired.
Budda November 23rd, 2014 at 11:34
Whether you respect the police or not when they give you a command your best move is to obey it.
rg9rts November 23rd, 2014 at 11:47
Unless you want extra ventilation
mea_mark November 23rd, 2014 at 12:56
Yeah, but they shouldn’t expect it.
Jane domes November 23rd, 2014 at 12:11
I guess they expect the general public does’nt want to be arrested,or shot.Pretty simple.
mea_mark November 23rd, 2014 at 12:58
At this point it almost doesn’t seem to matter what you do, you might get shot.
Christopher Warnack November 23rd, 2014 at 13:53
Only if you’re stupid enough to reach for a realistic looking gun after refusing to comply with the demands of the officer.
It doesn’t matter if you respect police officers or not, they’re still the law. Just because there’s a few bad apples that abuse their position doesn’t lower every cop to the same standard.
Just like how not every black person is a thug, right? Oh, when we use general stereotypes in that sense, it’s racism. When we use it against cops, however, it’s justified? Hypocrisy.
Cops expect their orders to be followed because they are the authoritative figure. Teachers expect their orders to be followed at school, bosses, supervisors, managers, they expect their orders to be followed at work. It’s not a matter of respect, it’s a matter of authority.
In fact, weren’t a lot of people, yourself probably included, bitching because George Zimmerman disregarded the orders of the dispatch and followed Trayvon Martin instead of waiting for the cops to show up?
Of course, now… that’s tune has changed.
The kid was pointing the gun at people in the park and the caller who dialed 911 in the first place didn’t know if the gun was real or fake him/herself. It’s even quoted in the article: “It’s probably fake, but he’s point it at everybody and scaring the hell out of the people here.”
The cop did what he had to do with the knowledge he had of the situation, and given the circumstances.
Yeah, it’s sad that the kid died, but that’s the consequence of his actions, and maybe if his parents or family had taught him how to respond to police officers, or better yet, how to handle a weapon in the first place, then he’d still be alive today.
mea_mark November 23rd, 2014 at 14:21
Oh great, another person that likes to stroke their ego and upvote themselves.
Christopher Warnack November 23rd, 2014 at 14:22
-Sigh- A moderator that has nothing to respond with than “e-peen stroking!”, never considering that it was a mistake that I upvoted myself in the first place. If I knew how to UNVOTE it, I would.
Fuck off, moderator. You clearly have nothing better to do than argue on the internet anyway.
mea_mark November 23rd, 2014 at 14:27
You’re done here.
StoneyCurtisll November 23rd, 2014 at 10:33
those ‘Airsoft’ toy guns look real..
http://www.hobbytron.com/AirsoftGuns.html#
They only shoot rubber pellets..
Real looking toy guns, and paranoid cops ready to pull the trigger..
Is a lethal combination.
JoeDrager November 23rd, 2014 at 11:24
When you have an idiotic black thug (redundant I know) who removes the orange tip, then you have trouble.
StoneyCurtisll November 23rd, 2014 at 11:29
I’m going to hold my comment to you…
This is a family friendly forum.
Carla Akins November 23rd, 2014 at 11:34
He won’t be back.
Larry Schmitt November 23rd, 2014 at 11:36
Thank you for that.
Carla Akins November 23rd, 2014 at 11:39
Sorry I didn’t catch him sooner.
Larry Schmitt November 23rd, 2014 at 11:42
I looked through a bit of his comment history, and it’s full of vile comments. He must be tons o’ fun at parties.
StoneyCurtisll November 23rd, 2014 at 11:52
I know..
They drop a turd, and run away…
Carla Akins November 23rd, 2014 at 12:34
I also had a little fun with your other admirer on the Palin story. I was feeling impish.
StoneyCurtisll November 23rd, 2014 at 11:33
those ‘Airsoft’ toy guns look real..
http://www.hobbytron.com/AirsoftGuns.html#
They only shoot rubber pellets..
Real looking toy guns, and paranoid cops ready to pull the trigger..
Is a lethal combination.
StoneyCurtisll November 23rd, 2014 at 12:29
I’m going to hold my comment to you…
This is a family friendly forum.
Carla Akins November 23rd, 2014 at 12:34
He won’t be back.
Larry Schmitt November 23rd, 2014 at 12:36
Thank you for that.
Carla Akins November 23rd, 2014 at 12:39
Sorry I didn’t catch him sooner.
Larry Schmitt November 23rd, 2014 at 12:42
I looked through a bit of his comment history, and it’s full of vile comments. He must be tons o’ fun at parties.
StoneyCurtisll November 23rd, 2014 at 12:52
I know..
They drop a turd, and run away…
Carla Akins November 23rd, 2014 at 13:34
I also had a little fun with your other admirer on the Palin story. I was feeling impish.
rg9rts November 23rd, 2014 at 10:43
The kid ain’t the brightest bulb in the box…
JoeDrager November 23rd, 2014 at 11:23
Darwin described the principle in effect here.
eyelashviper November 23rd, 2014 at 11:25
Tis clear by your comments that you missed the evolutionary process..
rg9rts November 23rd, 2014 at 11:29
His genes may still be in the pool
Carla Akins November 23rd, 2014 at 11:38
You are not welcome here. I will allow a couple of your comments stand, not because they have any value but to show what a racist ass you are.
tracey marie November 23rd, 2014 at 13:25
it was a 12 year old child RG
rg9rts November 24th, 2014 at 00:24
12 is old enough to know what it means to put the gun down…sorry on this one TM
rg9rts November 23rd, 2014 at 11:43
The kid ain’t the brightest bulb in the box…when the guy with the REAL gun says put it down …do it
JoeDrager November 23rd, 2014 at 12:23
Darwin described the principle in effect here.
eyelashviper November 23rd, 2014 at 12:25
Tis clear by your comments that you missed the evolutionary process..
rg9rts November 23rd, 2014 at 12:29
His genes may still be in the pool
Carla Akins November 23rd, 2014 at 12:38
You are not welcome here. I will allow a couple of your comments stand, not because they have any value but to show what a racist ass you are.
tracey marie November 23rd, 2014 at 14:25
it was a 12 year old child RG
rg9rts November 24th, 2014 at 01:24
12 is old enough to know what it means to put the gun down…sorry on this one TM
Teddy Simon November 23rd, 2014 at 10:53
Sorry but a cop is not going to just wait to see what you do when you grab a gun and is not going to wait o see if a gun is real or not . To be honest I don’ blame them .
Teddy Simon November 23rd, 2014 at 11:53
Sorry but a cop is not going to just wait to see what you do when you grab a gun and is not going to wait o see if a gun is real or not . To be honest I don’ blame them .
JoeDrager November 23rd, 2014 at 11:23
One less black thug. Moveon.
eyelashviper November 23rd, 2014 at 11:26
Nothing like the smell of bigotry in the morning…
Carla Akins November 23rd, 2014 at 11:33
I just have no tolerance for your bullshit today, go back to Stormfront.
eyelashviper November 23rd, 2014 at 11:43
Thanks…the stench was pretty strong.
eyelashviper November 23rd, 2014 at 11:23
As long as the streets are awash with guns, cops will be on edge. This is not to excuse the killing of young people by unlawful or ramped up police action, but in a situation like this, where people called in a report of a person waving a gun around, the outcome is not good.
The NRA mantra of arming the population has succeeded in filling the streets with guns, angry and paranoid people, and cops trying to deal with it all.
eyelashviper November 23rd, 2014 at 12:23
As long as the streets are awash with guns, cops will be on edge. This is not to excuse the killing of young people by unlawful or ramped up police action, but in a situation like this, where people called in a report of a person waving a gun around, the outcome is not good.
The NRA mantra of arming the population has succeeded in filling the streets with guns, angry and paranoid people, and cops trying to deal with it all.
eyelashviper November 23rd, 2014 at 12:26
Nothing like the smell of bigotry in the morning…
Carla Akins November 23rd, 2014 at 12:33
I just have no tolerance for your bullshit today, go back to Stormfront.
eyelashviper November 23rd, 2014 at 12:43
Thanks…the stench was pretty strong.
RD81 November 23rd, 2014 at 12:02
First – It’s not a toy. Go try to buy an airsoft gun and look on the box. You’ll see two things in particular.
1. “NOT A TOY”
2. “THIS PRODUCT INTENDED FOR AGES 18+”
Second – it was illegal for him to even be in possession of the airsoft gun in the first place.
Cleveland (§ 627.10(a)) prohibits any person from carrying or having in his or her possession or ready at hand any BB or pellet gun while at or about a public place.
This had absolutely nothing to do with his skin color. He was told to put his hands up and he instead chose to reach for the gun in his waistband. That is an action that warrants the use of deadly force.
It’s easy for all of you Monday morning quarterbacks to criticize the police officer for not knowing that it was an airsoft gun, but he isn’t psychic and the kid made the wrong moves, so it ended badly. It’s unfortunate for all involved.
mea_mark November 23rd, 2014 at 12:38
He was a twelve year old kid. He was probably reaching for it to show the officer it was a toy. Officer freaked out and shot and killed him. If the officer had gotten the reports from dispatch about what was happening he should of figured it was probably a toy and acted accordingly. Gunning down children is not appropriate. If dispatch totally failed to communicate what was happening then people need to immediately be fired there. If dispatch informed the officer of what was happening then he shouldn’t be an officer with a gun.
RD81 November 23rd, 2014 at 12:47
Did you miss the part where I said that it’s not a toy? 12 year old kids are not above gang life. Gangs recruit kids as young as 10 years old. The 911 caller said it was probably a toy, but you can’t afford to trust “probably”. The police officer didn’t have the luxury of waiting to see if it was a real gun or not. He ordered the kid to put his hands up and the kid reached for the gun instead. That’s pretty much a guarantee that you will be shot. Had it been a real gun and had the police officer hesitated, the headline could have easily been “12 year old kid shoots police officer before being shot and killed by partner.”
tracey marie November 23rd, 2014 at 13:25
and more racism by implying this child is a gang member, I got you pegged perfectly
Christopher Warnack November 23rd, 2014 at 13:00
Doesn’t work that way.
Any time you have to reach for something when dealing with the police, you should always tell the officer what you’re doing.
Considering the boy was at the park, pointing the gun at people, then got up off the table after police arrived, put the gun in his waistband, was told to put his hands up, and instead, reached for his gun? He suffered the consequences of his actions.
Dispatch informed the police correctly. The 911 call was from a person at the park who couldn’t readily clarify if the gun was real or fake. “Probably fake” isn’t good enough as evidence, and the officer was right in his call.
It sucks that a 12 year old died because of stupidity like this, but that’s what parents and role models are supposed to do. Teach these kids the proper way to do things.
If I get pulled over by a police officer, and he asks to see my ID, I will tell the officer where my wallet is at and that I’m reaching for it.
Look on the internet, look around for videos of police officers being shot by a pulled over driver, driving off as the officer hits the ground, and then ask yourself why they’re paranoid.
The cops are probably even more so paranoid now because they see the same news that you do. Cops being accused and indicted for violence, being demonized by the people they’re sworn to protect, riots, looters, etc.
You never know when some cop hating nut is going to just come out and shoot up the place.
Remember that ambush on the State Troopers? Yeah.
tracey marie November 23rd, 2014 at 13:24
still slamming a 12 year old for not being a white adult
red-diaper-baby 1942 November 23rd, 2014 at 13:58
Thank you for a well-argued post. Gunning down children is indeed not appropriate, and the counter-arguments presented in some of the posts here are irrelevant.
slavko November 23rd, 2014 at 12:51
I just think that our cops should be trained better. Yeah, perhaps it is as you wrote and the cop then should be aware that perhaps the kid can’t understand, perhaps he’s autistic playing with a toy, maybe the kid is deaf… there really isn’t any way of knowing by the cop. However, what if the cop told the kid to keep his hands where he (the cop) can see them things might be different… Or what if cops were trained to shoot to maim a hand that is going for the gun? Or in consideration that the cop was already warned that a) it’s a kid with a seemingly toy gun that b) the cop could have had a non-lethal proper response just in case the kid was deaf, autistic, dumb or whatever. It is still a child. I’m sure that there are non-lethal ways that can be used in these circumstances.
RD81 November 23rd, 2014 at 12:54
Shooting to maim is something you only see in the movies. It doesn’t work in real life. It wasn’t seemingly a toy gun. Here is what it looks like:
Carla Akins November 23rd, 2014 at 13:35
After you add a photo, you have to refresh the page in order to see it.
RD81 November 23rd, 2014 at 13:39
I did. It didn’t show up for some reason.
Carla Akins November 23rd, 2014 at 13:44
I don’t know why it wouldn’t, it shows now.
slavko November 23rd, 2014 at 13:44
yeah, i only now saw the pic. looks real to me or not… i just wouldn’t know. Perhaps realistic toy guns should be banned…
Carla Akins November 23rd, 2014 at 13:49
I wouldn’t know either, I simply wish law enforcement spent more time defusing the situation instead of of shooting as a first option.
RD81 November 23rd, 2014 at 12:59
Police officers can’t afford to play the “what if” game in situations like this. If they are busy playing “what if” and a kid has a real gun (which happens from time to time) the cop ends up getting shot or an innocent bystander ends up getting shot. Hesitation gets you killed.
slavko November 23rd, 2014 at 13:56
“The shooting happened about 3:30 p.m. at the Cudell Recreation Center on
the city’s west side, officials said. Deputy Chief Ed Tomba of the
Cleveland police said on Saturday that the boy had not threatened the
officers or pointed the weapon at them.”
Bert Luna November 23rd, 2014 at 13:01
you gotta be kidding? you want all cops to have pinpoint accuracy??? that would require years of training and only a select few could be that accurate in a tense situation. Also they would require a 6 figure salary! I’m fine with this, kids an idiot, one less person on welfare!
slavko November 23rd, 2014 at 13:06
damn right i want cops to have pin point accuracy!!! Again, the kid could have been deaf and was just playing a typical imagination type game. And in this situation there are no winners.
Christopher Warnack November 23rd, 2014 at 13:10
Lol, what? Even if the kid was deaf (Probably wasn’t), and even if he had been playing some imagination game (Could have been), that doesn’t excuse him pointing at gun at multiple people at the park, and scaring the hell out of them. That’s what prompted the 911 call in the first place.
His parents, or family, should have been looking after him if he were deaf, and should have taught the boy not to point his gun at other people like that.
Again, sucks that he died, but that’s the consequence of his actions.
slavko November 23rd, 2014 at 13:16
true.
Still would like to know how much training do cops have for situations like these.
tracey marie November 23rd, 2014 at 13:18
the caller should have said a CHILD. why is it all you stormfront /brietbart garbage follow stories about young black children being killed ?
Christopher Warnack November 23rd, 2014 at 13:21
Tracey Marie, I suggest you calm down. Trying to imply that I’m a racist by asking why I follow stories about young black children being killed won’t get you anywhere, and in fact, only goes to prove that you’re the bigger racist here for thinking that this was the only reason the kid was shot for.
I’m a military veteran, and I’m sorry, the kid’s death is a tragedy, but there’s no denying that he shouldn’t have had a gun, toy or otherwise, at that park. He certainly shouldn’t have been pointing it at everyone either.
Now, you may be able to go to the park, and smile when a child points a gun at you, one that looks as realistic as the gun in this case, but other people who deal with constant threats won’t do the same.
So, please. Try to understand, and be respectful, or shut up.
tracey marie November 23rd, 2014 at 13:23
I suggest you kiss my ass. Your comment history proves me correct on what you are.
Carla Akins November 23rd, 2014 at 13:34
Tracy, please dial it back. Just because they disagree does not make their comment racist. We appreciate your regular readership but you can’t allow you to call everyone you disagree with a racist.
tracey marie November 23rd, 2014 at 13:36
I don’t and he is. His history shows it
Carla Akins November 23rd, 2014 at 13:38
His is not the only comment I’m referring to. We should engage in a debate, not immediately jump to a conclusion without trying to discuss the issue.
tracey marie November 23rd, 2014 at 13:43
I see what you are saying. I check the history and he is terrible. Notice his ready to spam list of 12 year olds that kill. That is what stormfront teaches.
Carla Akins November 23rd, 2014 at 13:47
Tracy I reviewed his history before I commented to you. He holds a different view but he is not rude, and provides a lengthy explanation of his opinion and there is not connection to Stormfront.
slavko November 23rd, 2014 at 13:48
The shooting happened about 3:30 p.m. at the Cudell Recreation Center on
the city’s west side, officials said. Deputy Chief Ed Tomba of the
Cleveland police said on Saturday that the boy had not threatened the
officers or pointed the weapon at them.
RD81 November 23rd, 2014 at 14:03
Since you seem to be so fond of cut and paste, perhaps you should remember this part:
“When the officer got out of the car, he told the boy to put his hands up.
That’s when the boy reached into his waistband, pulled out the BB gun and the rookie officer fired two shots, Tomba said.”
tiffany_o November 23rd, 2014 at 13:15
I was with you until the “one less person on welfare”.
Seriously?
Based on what? I’m curious. Please enlighten us how you “know” this person to be on welfare, of if you don’t know, what brought you to that assumption.
And great insight into your perspective into how to cull welfare rolls. Children on welfare’s lives are less valuable?
Can’t wait to hear this.
Carla Akins November 23rd, 2014 at 13:32
You replied to the wrong post.
tiffany_o November 23rd, 2014 at 14:55
How so?
Maybe Disqus is acting up?
or whatever. It is still a child. I’m sure that there are non-lethal ways that can be used in these circumstances.1
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Bert Luna slavko • 2 hours ago
you gotta be kidding? you want all cops to have pinpoint accuracy??? that would require years of training and only a select few could be that accurate in a tense situation. Also they would require a 6 figure salary! I’m fine with this, kids an idiot, one less person on welfare!
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tiffany_o Bert Luna • 2 hours ago
I was with you until the “one less person on welfare”.
Seriously?
Based on what? I’m curious. Please enlighten us how you “know” this person to be on welfare, of if you don’t know, what brought you to that assumption.
And great insight into your perspective into how to cull welfare rolls. Children on welfare’s lives are less valuable?
Can’t wait to hear this.3
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tiffany_o November 23rd, 2014 at 14:56
Tried to screen shot it but it’s not working. Like someone else said below, pictures aren’t loading.
eyelashviper November 23rd, 2014 at 13:30
So typical, the attitude cannot remain hidden for more than three sentences…
You approve of killing kids, particularly ones you descibe as a “idiot” and on welfare.
Back to Stormfront, your momma’s calling you.
red-diaper-baby 1942 November 23rd, 2014 at 13:52
that’s about the most disgusting thing I’ve heard in a long time.
On another thread, a writer asked if there was any limit to how low conservatives could sink. I’d say your post is a good demonstration that there’s no such limit.
And yes, if a cop can’t shoot accurately he shouldn’t have a gun. Seems to me that’s the minimum demand!
Melanie Revers November 23rd, 2014 at 14:11
So it’s ok in your eyes to shoot a kid? God, I hope you don’t have any.
StoneyCurtisll November 23rd, 2014 at 14:16
“one less kid on ‘welfare’.”…
You forgot to shout out “white power” at the end of your comment..
tracey marie November 23rd, 2014 at 13:16
spamming your racism
RD81 November 23rd, 2014 at 13:19
WTF is wrong with you? Where did I say anything that could even be construed as racist?
tracey marie November 23rd, 2014 at 13:23
I hate inbred racist trolls like you…did this link to drudge. you seem to follow the articles on the killings of young black men and denigrate the young men and children who are murdered
RD81 November 23rd, 2014 at 13:26
I followed this story because I was a military police officer. Enough with the racist name calling, Tracy. You don’t know shit about me. Get off your damn cross and stop acting like some self-righteous hero of the masses.
red-diaper-baby 1942 November 23rd, 2014 at 13:49
Sorry, RD, but “military police officer” seems to be a contradiction in terms. A policeman is a “peace officer”. A soldier’s job is to fight the enemy, usually by killing as many of them as possible. Are the American people your enemy? Perhaps that explains why we hear almost daily of an innocent person killed by a police officer for no good reason; e.g. jumping the turnstile on the subway, or “resisting arrest” — for an offence that didn’t exist in the first place.
“A peace officer or law enforcement officer (LEO) in North America is any public-sector employee or agent whose duties primarily involve the enforcement of laws.” (Wikipedia; not the most authoritative of sources, but this definition seems okay.)
The point is that the laws are binding on the police as well; you don’t have unlimited authority, and can’t demand unconditional obedience from the public. You should stop acting that way.
RD81 November 23rd, 2014 at 13:53
Look it up. MOS 95 Bravo. Who do you think it is that patrols military bases and makes arrests of soldiers who violate the Uniform Code of Military Justice? MPs.
Not all soldiers are trained strictly for combat operations.
Think before you speak or write.
red-diaper-baby 1942 November 23rd, 2014 at 14:05
Thanks, but I always think before I speak or write; speaking and writing have both been part of my profession for the last forty years.
This was a twelve-year-old child, not a soldier. A police officer should have sufficient training to be able to evaluate a situation before shooting a child. If he doesn’t, he should be taken off the job, or at least not allowed to interact with the public, until he does. Sorry, but your rationalizations are irrelevant.
RD81 November 23rd, 2014 at 14:08
Irrelevant to you, maybe.
Nowhere did I say that this kid was a soldier. You implied that there is no such thing as a military police officer. Did you bother to look it up or are you content to consider everything that doesn’t fit your personal narrative irrelevant?
StoneyCurtisll November 23rd, 2014 at 14:11
Military Police officer…you got to run rough shod over anyone in the ‘service’…
But you have/had no authority over the civilian population…
That must be a hard pill to sallow knowing you have no authority over civilians..(like being neutered)..
Unless you get hired on to a local police department..
Then you can treat civilians like you did while you where in the SP/MP role..
But reality doesn’t play out that way..