Open Carry Group Inadvertently Backs Moms Group: Do Not Carry Long Guns Into Stores (Images)
When an extremist group such as Ohio Carry inadvertently admits to agreeing with Moms Demand Action, the gun sense group, then perhaps they should read their own words. As reported here yesterday, to counter the Moms gun sense group gathering at Kroger headquarters, Ohio Carry is calling on gun owners to go to all Kroger stores nationwide with their guns — but without their long guns, and instead conceal their weapons.
But once again, we are learning from our mistakes. We are asking that people either conceal or keep it to handguns only! We don’t want this to even be about guns; we want to show Kroger support for standing by their beliefs and not backing down to bullies, and we want to do that in a way that causes them no PR harm as well. Starbucks was a learning point, and we would be remiss not to learn from the past.
The leader of the event in which gun owners are called upon to pile into Kroger stores with their weapons on the same day, Brett, wrote an opinion piece in July stating, “Some people ask why it is necessary to open carry when you can conceal. While concealed carry is a great way to carry (and I do so sometime), there are still many benefits to open carrying. One might be a comfort issue. Some guns cannot be concealed and must be carried openly in a holster. I carry a Springfield XD Tactical .45 with a 5-inch barrel. Can I conceal it? Sure, but is it very comfortable? Not at all.”
So it’s not about protection. It’s about his own personal comfort while the public feels uncomfortable with his military-style presence.
We don’t want Open Carriers feeling unsafe in Kroger now, do we?
Brett adds, “Another pro is that it does not require a license. While you are going through the process of getting your CHL, you could be open carrying in the meantime.”
You see Brett, right there we have a problem. If there is no license required and we don’t know you or who your friends are, then how are we to determine who the ‘good guy with a gun’ is? Especially without a license.
But thank you for admitting that carrying long guns in Kroger is completely ‘against our policies and beliefs.” We agree on that, as do Moms Demand Action.
I did not use Brett’s last name. I would hate for him to be harassed by Open Carriers who disagree with his freely admitted stance, which is in opposition to other groups.
That’s right, Kroger. Don’t cave in to the zealots. End Open Carry in family friendly establishments or risk more bad behavior.
Brett asserts on Twitter in a conversation with me that his group contains “every denomination, race, and creed as members.”
Pictures tell another story
This won’t be Brett’s first time confronting a protest for gun sense while openly carrying firearms.
Don’t all races wear “Don’t tread on me” t-shirts?
Brett’s diverse group which isn’t diverse at all.
How Ohio Carry spends a religious holiday.
The best and brightest have Ohio Carry’s back:
I did communicate with Brett via email before publishing this post. If he has anything he would like to say on behalf of his group, I’d be happy to add it.
Big hugs to my friend out there for her awesomeness.
All images were circulated via social media, thereby making them fair use.
Copyright 2014 Liberaland
By: Anomaly100
tiredoftea October 27th, 2014 at 14:07
It’s hard to believe that Harry and Lloyd could have so many children.
tiredoftea October 27th, 2014 at 14:07
It’s hard to believe that Harry and Lloyd could have so many children.
R.J. Carter October 27th, 2014 at 14:09
“Don’t all races wear “Don’t tread on me” t-shirts?”
Actually, some prefer the hats.
http://www.chicagonow.com/4star-explorer/files/2012/11/Dont-Tread-On-Me-624×409.jpg
arc99 October 27th, 2014 at 14:11
Actually, my officially licensed ‘Don’t Tread On Me’ gear is a t-shirt.
And of course, I am referring to the Teaparty, not the government.
R.J. Carter October 27th, 2014 at 14:13
Can’t it apply to both?
arc99 October 27th, 2014 at 14:21
when TeaParty objectives are legislated into law,
you betcha….
R.J. Carter October 27th, 2014 at 14:21
It’s all part of our secret conspiracy to take over the government and then leave you alone.
arc99 October 27th, 2014 at 14:22
suits me.. just keep your government hands off my Medicare,, or something like that..
R.J. Carter October 27th, 2014 at 14:13
…or just carry a flag.
http://exiledonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/dsc02847jpg.jpeg
Anomaly 100 October 27th, 2014 at 14:43
That’s really rare though.
mea_mark October 27th, 2014 at 18:25
He was holding the flag for the lady pushing him around. The things we have to do …
Anomaly 100 October 27th, 2014 at 18:29
Such a gentleman!
ChrisVosburg October 28th, 2014 at 02:29
Wow, is that Kenneth Gladney, that poor fella who was crippled by the brutal attack on him by union thugs? Hope his years of tortuous physical therapy returned him to a full and productive life.
R.J. Carter October 27th, 2014 at 14:09
“Don’t all races wear “Don’t tread on me” t-shirts?”
Actually, some prefer the hats.
http://www.chicagonow.com/4star-explorer/files/2012/11/Dont-Tread-On-Me-624×409.jpg
arc99 October 27th, 2014 at 14:11
Actually, my officially licensed ‘Don’t Tread On Me’ gear is a t-shirt.
And of course, I am referring to the Teaparty, not the government.
R.J. Carter October 27th, 2014 at 14:13
Can’t it apply to both?
arc99 October 27th, 2014 at 14:21
when TeaParty objectives are legislated into law,
you betcha….
R.J. Carter October 27th, 2014 at 14:21
It’s all part of our secret conspiracy to take over the government and then leave you alone.
arc99 October 27th, 2014 at 14:22
suits me.. just keep your government hands off my Medicare,, or something like that..
R.J. Carter October 27th, 2014 at 14:13
…or just carry a flag.
http://exiledonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/dsc02847jpg.jpeg
Anomaly 100 October 27th, 2014 at 14:43
That’s really rare though.
mea_mark October 27th, 2014 at 18:25
He was holding the flag for the lady pushing him around. The things we have to do …
Anomaly 100 October 27th, 2014 at 18:29
Such a gentleman!
ChrisVosburg October 28th, 2014 at 02:29
Wow, is that Kenneth Gladney, that poor fella who was crippled by the brutal attack on him by union thugs? Hope his years of tortuous physical therapy returned him to a full and productive life.
Ol Blue October 27th, 2014 at 14:14
Try to keep it in your pants boys.
Ol Blue October 27th, 2014 at 14:14
Try to keep it in your pants boys.
Pistol-Packing October 27th, 2014 at 14:28
I dont see the point in the headline ??? “Open Carry Group Inadvertently Backs Moms Group: Do Not Carry Long Guns Into Stores ”
I dont see it as backing “Moms”, because moms want ALL guns banned. I personally see it as they want to offer support to Krogers, while not giving the MOMS any opportunity for false PR. Contrary to popular belief, MOMS have a tendency to lie and be not truthful in many things they attempt to present.
MOMS has no intention of dialogue to find any common ground. In matter of fact, if you make a comment of anything in the contrary to something that is said or posted, you are immediately banned. So I can see how this group would not want to give MOMS any opportunity.
Anomaly 100 October 27th, 2014 at 14:39
No, they do not want an all out ban of firearms.
Pistol-Packing October 27th, 2014 at 14:48
When it comes to carrying in public. yes they do. Whether concealed or Open Carry.
Anomaly 100 October 27th, 2014 at 14:58
Concealed doesn’t bother me. Open Carry does.
Pistol-Packing October 27th, 2014 at 15:09
You know through our conversations I dont support Open Carry in certain environments. But I also dont object to it where it is appropriate either.
But carrying a AR-15 across your back, while shopping in downtown Dallas, is not one of them.
Anomaly 100 October 27th, 2014 at 15:18
On an aside: How have you been? Haven’t seen you around for awhile.
Pistol-Packing October 27th, 2014 at 15:24
took a break for a while. Been dealing with a lot of issues at home that have not been going well. And work has really sucked the past few months. Really thinking I need some life changes…
How about you? Did you ever squirt the cat ??
Anomaly 100 October 27th, 2014 at 15:55
Ha! Yes, I got the squirt gun thingy your recommended. I Open Carry it around my house. But now my BFF started feeding the cat so I’m toast.
I hope this isn’t my last post. This cat wants me dead.
I only wish the best for you. I hope your IRL stuff goes well. Your wife is gorgeous by the way.
Pistol-Packing October 28th, 2014 at 08:37
Before you know it, the cat will be eating out of your hands, and keeping your lap warm on cold winter nights…. =)
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 21:34
why do you need a gun in a grocery store, afraid of broccolli?
Pistol-Packing October 28th, 2014 at 08:36
HELLLL YEAH !!!!! Have you seen how the Banana’s are acting now a day’s….
Matt Willoughby October 27th, 2014 at 16:52
Do you speak for MDA? Most likely no. MDA wants the carry of ALL guns banned.
Anomaly 100 October 27th, 2014 at 17:23
So you’re saying that you speak for them then? Most likely no.
Matt Willoughby October 28th, 2014 at 12:55
As a member of Ohio Carry? Yes I do.
Anomaly 100 October 28th, 2014 at 13:33
I’m not a member of Ohio Carry or Moms Demand and you guys have a big problem and it’s not just the optics, but that, too.
Matt Willoughby October 28th, 2014 at 13:41
Feel free to go to out FB Page & share your thoughts. We openly welcome those that want to engage in an intelligent conversation about the 2nd Amendment in all its forms. Joining our FB Page is open. Simply click join or like, and express your thoughts.
But by all means, please elaborate on what the problem is.
arc99 October 27th, 2014 at 17:26
nothing at the MDA website indicates they want to ban ALL carry. spreading misinformation does nothing but call your credibility into question.
Matt Willoughby October 28th, 2014 at 12:57
Feel free to visit MDA’s FB page, and see if their message matches the propaganda they sell their followers.
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 21:34
you lie dikless wonder
Kim D Campbell October 27th, 2014 at 22:05
Curious – just what is “dikless”? …autocorrect turned off?
Matt Willoughby October 28th, 2014 at 12:54
Ok… intelligent conversation with Tracy… not gonna happen. Got it.
whatthe46 October 27th, 2014 at 21:07
bothers me. just because you can conceal it doesn’t mean you’re right in the head. besides, remember the cop in mc donalds whose son reached in his pocket and it went off? what’s the point in a grocery store or restaurant?
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 21:33
why do you need a dik substitute
Pistol-Packing October 28th, 2014 at 08:42
Why yes, I do…. Think I will try Black this time around…
ChrisVosburg October 27th, 2014 at 15:46
PP wonders why: if you make a comment of anything in the contrary to something that is said or posted, you are immediately banned
Perhaps you grossly mischaracterized their position as “wanting all guns banned” and when patiently corrected, instead of apologizing, you backpedaled to mischaracterizing it as “when it comes to carrying in public, they do,” and they decided to ban you because you were being dishonest and rude.
By the way, you got PP on yer handle there. :-)
Pistol-Packing October 27th, 2014 at 16:02
no Back Pedaling.. practical experience with them. They cant come out right and say what the want. So they have to do it in other ways. And yes, I have been Banned from them, because I disagreed with their position on something.
Reading my own comment, I see how I wrote something wrong. It s not that they want all guns Banned, they want all guns in public banned. Concealed or Open.
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 21:33
nope, just dikless big mouthed lies
ChrisVosburg October 28th, 2014 at 00:00
PP writes: Reading my own comment, I see how I wrote something wrong.
…validating my perception that you are a man of some grace, and welcome, old friend. Sorry about the personal stuff you’re enduring of late, and hope it can be sorted, but in any case, good to see you.
Pistol-Packing October 28th, 2014 at 08:30
thanks you sir… How have you been ?
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 21:32
rotflmao…all you dikless gun nuts lie
Pistol-Packing AKA "Susie" October 27th, 2014 at 14:28
I dont see the point in the headline ??? “Open Carry Group Inadvertently Backs Moms Group: Do Not Carry Long Guns Into Stores ”
I dont see it as backing “Moms”, because moms want ALL guns banned. I personally see it as they want to offer support to Krogers, while not giving the MOMS any opportunity for false PR. Contrary to popular belief, MOMS have a tendency to lie and be not truthful in many things they attempt to present.
MOMS has no intention of dialogue to find any common ground. In matter of fact, if you make a comment of anything in the contrary to something that is said or posted, you are immediately banned. So I can see how this group would not want to give MOMS any opportunity.
Anomaly 100 October 27th, 2014 at 14:39
No, they do not want an all out ban of firearms.
Pistol-Packing AKA "Susie" October 27th, 2014 at 14:48
When it comes to carrying in public. yes they do. Whether concealed or Open Carry.
Anomaly 100 October 27th, 2014 at 14:58
Concealed doesn’t bother me. Open Carry does.
Pistol-Packing AKA "Susie" October 27th, 2014 at 15:09
You know through our conversations I dont support Open Carry in certain environments. But I also dont object to it where it is appropriate either.
But carrying a AR-15 across your back, while shopping in downtown Dallas, is not one of them.
Anomaly 100 October 27th, 2014 at 15:18
On an aside: How have you been? Haven’t seen you around for awhile.
Pistol-Packing AKA "Susie" October 27th, 2014 at 15:24
took a break for a while. Been dealing with a lot of issues at home that have not been going well. And work has really sucked the past few months. Really thinking I need some life changes…
How about you? Did you ever squirt the cat ??
Anomaly 100 October 27th, 2014 at 15:55
Ha! Yes, I got the squirt gun thingy your recommended. I Open Carry it around my house. But now my BFF started feeding the cat so I’m toast.
I hope this isn’t my last post. This cat wants me dead.
I only wish the best for you. I hope your IRL stuff goes well. Your wife is gorgeous by the way.
Pistol-Packing AKA "Susie" October 28th, 2014 at 08:37
Before you know it, the cat will be eating out of your hands, and keeping your lap warm on cold winter nights…. =)
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 21:34
why do you need a gun in a grocery store, afraid of broccolli?
Pistol-Packing AKA "Susie" October 28th, 2014 at 08:36
HELLLL YEAH !!!!! Have you seen how the Banana’s are acting now a day’s….
Matt Willoughby October 27th, 2014 at 16:52
Do you speak for MDA? Most likely no. MDA wants the carry of ALL guns banned.
Anomaly 100 October 27th, 2014 at 17:23
So you’re saying that you speak for them then? Most likely no.
Matt Willoughby October 28th, 2014 at 12:55
As a member of Ohio Carry? Yes I do.
Anomaly 100 October 28th, 2014 at 13:33
I’m not a member of Ohio Carry or Moms Demand and you guys have a big problem and it’s not just the optics, but that, too.
Matt Willoughby October 28th, 2014 at 13:41
Feel free to go to out FB Page & share your thoughts. We openly welcome those that want to engage in an intelligent conversation about the 2nd Amendment in all its forms. Joining our FB Page is open. Simply click join or like, and express your thoughts.
But by all means, please elaborate on what the problem is.
arc99 October 27th, 2014 at 17:26
nothing at the MDA website indicates they want to ban ALL carry. spreading misinformation does nothing but call your credibility into question.
Matt Willoughby October 28th, 2014 at 12:57
Feel free to visit MDA’s FB page, and see if their message matches the propaganda they sell their followers.
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 21:34
you lie dikless wonder
Kim D Campbell October 27th, 2014 at 22:05
Curious – just what is “dikless”? …autocorrect turned off?
whatthe46 October 27th, 2014 at 21:07
bothers me. just because you can conceal it doesn’t mean you’re right in the head. besides, remember the cop in mc donalds whose son reached in his pocket and it went off? what’s the point in a grocery store or restaurant?
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 21:33
why do you need a dik substitute
Pistol-Packing AKA "Susie" October 28th, 2014 at 08:42
Why yes, I do…. Think I will try Black this time around…
ChrisVosburg October 27th, 2014 at 15:46
PP wonders why: if you make a comment of anything in the contrary to something that is said or posted, you are immediately banned
Perhaps you grossly mischaracterized their position as “wanting all guns banned” and when patiently corrected, instead of apologizing, you backpedaled to mischaracterizing it as “when it comes to carrying in public, they do,” and they decided to ban you because you were being dishonest and rude.
By the way, you got PP on yer handle there. :-)
Pistol-Packing AKA "Susie" October 27th, 2014 at 16:02
no Back Pedaling.. practical experience with them. They cant come out right and say what the want. So they have to do it in other ways. And yes, I have been Banned from them, because I disagreed with their position on something.
Reading my own comment, I see how I wrote something wrong. It s not that they want all guns Banned, they want all guns in public banned. Concealed or Open.
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 21:33
nope, just dikless big mouthed lies
ChrisVosburg October 28th, 2014 at 00:00
PP writes: Reading my own comment, I see how I wrote something wrong.
…validating my perception that you are a man of some grace, and welcome, old friend. Sorry about the personal stuff you’re enduring of late, and hope it can be sorted, but in any case, good to see you.
Pistol-Packing AKA "Susie" October 28th, 2014 at 08:30
thanks you sir… How have you been ?
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 21:32
rotflmao…all you dikless gun nuts lie
Obewon October 27th, 2014 at 14:56
Another great tea clown campaign shoots itself in the foot!
Next-up: Open Carry headshot! Gun Paranoid accidentally shoots self as bullet ricochets off of store victim. Running List of 2014 Walmart Shootings Incidents. http://walmartshootings.blogspot.com/p/running-list-of-2014-walmart-shootings.html Thank you for shooting at Wal*Mart.
Kim D Campbell October 28th, 2014 at 17:47
Sorry if I find it difficult to take the above link seriously… The VERY FIRST “news item” (or whatever you call it) has the headline: “Ohio man…” and then the intro says it happened in Chillicothe OH. Of course, it was a MISSOURI man (from Wheeling, actually) and the shooting happened in Chillicothe MISSOURI. You’ll forgive me if I discount all the rest of it as rather incoherent ramblings.
Obewon October 28th, 2014 at 19:07
Sorry that you’re too dim to click on the linked articles debunking you as grossly uninformed e.g. [For a listing of the 83 different 2013 shooting incidents, go HERE. http://walmartshootings.blogspot.com/p/running-list-of-2013-walmart-shooting.html For a listing of WalMart’s 53 different 2012 shooting incidents, go HERE http://newtrajectory.blogspot.com/2012/09/walmart-shootings.html (That number was surpassed in October of 2013.)]
1. So far in 2014, non-shooting incidents have included WalMart’s 51 armed robberies with guns, 11 incidents of guns and ammo stolen, and other crimes. http://walmartshootings.blogspot.com/
2. Only 3 shootings were ruled as legitimate self defense (other than law enforcement).
3. Walmart employees were the shooter in 1 incident and a victim in 12 incidents.
4. 8 incidents were by people with legal conceal carry permits or legally carried openly.
5. So far in 2014 WalMart shootings have included: –>63 shootings, 9 dead, 30 injured<– ~Woo-Hoo~! Thank you for getting shot dead for Walmart! "8/27/14 — Man shot and killed at Dallas Walmart gas station; officer kills suspect — two dead " ABC Video http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/dallas-county/2014/08/27/north-dallas-shootings-fatal-homicide-two-dead-dennys-walmart/14669433/
Kim D Campbell October 29th, 2014 at 08:23
This is what we run into when folks don’t read. As I said, the very first blog posting got the state of residence the shooter and location of the shooting wrong. Gee, how would I know that? Why, I did exactly what you suggested – I clicked through on the linked news article. So I’m sorry if I’m not going to bother taking the time to verify – or debunk – the rest of your “statistics.”
I’m not sure what your point is about the Michigan mailing service address for OFCC is.
Obewon October 29th, 2014 at 10:16
Proving WalMart shootings & deaths via the cited linked original linked news reports was easy : 5. So far in 2014 WalMart shootings have included: –>63 shootings, 9 dead, 30 injured<– ~Woo-Hoo~! Thank you for getting shot dead for Walmart! "8/27/14 — Man shot and killed at Dallas Walmart gas station; officer kills suspect — two dead " ABC Video http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/dallas-county/2014/08/27/north-dallas-shootings-fatal-homicide-two-dead-dennys-walmart/14669433/ Proving that you're a debunked delusional was even easier.
Kim D Campbell October 29th, 2014 at 22:59
And yet you still have not established why we should lend any credence to a web site that seems unable to get even the simplest facts right.
Oh – and your ad hominem attacks? They need some work. But hey – you’re tryin’, and I like that!
Obewon October 29th, 2014 at 23:03
We already established that your faux strawman was debunked by ABC, et al linked proving 3 years of WalMart Gun Murders! Thanks for proving once again only the dim & diagnosed delusional’s vote GOP today. Good luck with your address Nazi schtik.
Kim D Campbell October 30th, 2014 at 07:45
“faux strawman”?
“address Nazi schtik”?
Okey-dokey.
Obewon October 27th, 2014 at 14:56
Another great tea clown campaign shoots itself in the foot!
Next-up: Open Carry headshot! Gun Paranoid accidentally shoots self as bullet ricochets off of store victim. Running List of 2014 Walmart Shootings Incidents. http://walmartshootings.blogspot.com/p/running-list-of-2014-walmart-shootings.html Thank you for shooting at Wal*Mart.
Kim D Campbell October 28th, 2014 at 17:47
Sorry if I find it difficult to take the above link seriously… The VERY FIRST “news item” (or whatever you call it) has the headline: “Ohio man…” and then the intro says it happened in Chillicothe OH. Of course, it was a MISSOURI man (from Wheeling, actually) and the shooting happened in Chillicothe MISSOURI. You’ll forgive me if I discount all the rest of it as rather incoherent ramblings.
Obewon October 28th, 2014 at 19:07
Sorry that you’re too dim to click on any linked articles debunking you as grossly misinformed e.g. [For a listing of the 83 different 2013 shooting incidents, go HERE. http://walmartshootings.blogspot.com/p/running-list-of-2013-walmart-shooting.html For a listing of WalMart’s 53 different 2012 shooting incidents, go HERE http://newtrajectory.blogspot.com/2012/09/walmart-shootings.html (That number was surpassed in October of 2013.)]
1. So far in 2014, non-shooting incidents have included WalMart’s 51 armed robberies with guns, 11 incidents of guns and ammo stolen, and other crimes. http://walmartshootings.blogspot.com/
2. Only 3 shootings were ruled as legitimate self defense (other than law enforcement).
3. Walmart employees were the shooter in 1 incident and a victim in 12 incidents.
4. 8 incidents were by people with legal conceal carry permits or legally carried openly.
5. So far in 2014 WalMart shootings have included: –>63 shootings, 9 dead, 30 injured<– ~Woo-Hoo~! Thank you for getting shot dead for Walmart! "8/27/14 — Man shot and killed at Dallas Walmart gas station; officer kills suspect — two dead " ABC Video http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/dallas-county/2014/08/27/north-dallas-shootings-fatal-homicide-two-dead-dennys-walmart/14669433/ Who else but Ohio Appalachian hillbillies knew "Chillicothe" is in MO? E.g. "OFCC is incorporated in Ohio. It uses a Grandville MI mailing address"-Kim D Campbell, address nazi.
Kim D Campbell October 29th, 2014 at 08:23
This is what we run into when folks don’t read. As I said, the very first blog posting got the state of residence the shooter and location of the shooting wrong. Gee, how would I know that? Why, I did exactly what you suggested – I clicked through on the linked news article. So I’m sorry if I’m not going to bother taking the time to verify – or debunk – the rest of your “statistics.”
I’m not sure what your point is about the Michigan mailing service address for OFCC is.
Obewon October 29th, 2014 at 10:16
Proving WalMart shootings & deaths via the cited linked original news reports was easy : 5. So far in 2014 WalMart shootings have included: –>63 shootings, 9 dead, 30 injured<– ~Woo-Hoo~! Thank you for getting shot dead for Walmart! "8/27/14 — Man shot and killed at Dallas Walmart gas station; officer kills suspect — two dead " ABC Video http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/dallas-county/2014/08/27/north-dallas-shootings-fatal-homicide-two-dead-dennys-walmart/14669433/
Proving that you're a debunked delusional was even easier e.g.
Persecutory: People with this type of delusional disorder believe that they (or someone close to them) are being mistreated, or that someone is spying on them or planning to harm them. It is not uncommon for people with this type of delusional disorder to make repeated complaints to legal authorities. http://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/delusional-disorder
Grandiose: A person with this type of delusional disorder has an over-inflated sense of self-worth, power, knowledge, or identity. The person might believe he or she has a great talent or has made an important discovery.
Mixed: People with this type of delusional disorder have two or more of the types of delusions listed above.
Kim D Campbell October 29th, 2014 at 22:59
And yet you still have not established why we should lend any credence to a web site that seems unable to get even the simplest facts right.
Oh – and your ad hominem attacks? They need some work. But hey – you’re tryin’, and I like that!
Obewon October 29th, 2014 at 23:03
We already established that your faux strawman was debunked by ABC, et al linked proving 3 years of WalMart Gun Murders! (Walmart income is dropping as buyers flee gun nut shoppers) Thanks for proving once again only the dim & diagnosed delusional’s vote GOP today. Good luck with your address Nazi schtik. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLIP9L8MJX0
Kim D Campbell October 30th, 2014 at 07:45
“faux strawman”?
“address Nazi schtik”?
Okey-dokey.
bpollen October 27th, 2014 at 15:19
“We don’t want this to even be about guns…”
Perhaps I’m slow (my wife frequently says so,) but if it’s not about guns, why do you want people to go to Krogers armed? I bet you don’t want it to be about nudity either, so…
Matt Willoughby October 29th, 2014 at 16:13
Should probably finish the rest of the statement, but since you didn’t, I’ll finish it for you.
From Brett on Ohio Carry’s FB Page: “The Kroger Support Day is not about guns. We do not want it to be about guns. We want it to be about showing support to a business who is standing up to bullies and refusing to back down from their intimidation tactics.”
For the slow people in the room, we are supporting a privately run business’s right to choose how they wish to make their own choices and policies, and no feel forced into a political arena. Personally, you all should applaud them for choosing to stay out of it. But that’s coming from an independent Pro-Constitutional, not a conservative or a liberal.
bpollen October 31st, 2014 at 07:07
“For the slow people in the room, we are supporting a privately run business’s right to choose how they wish to make their own choices and policies, and no feel forced into a political arena.”
So, you have a problem with the free market? With freedom of speech of those who disagree with you or Kroger? If you are against businesses feeling forced into the political arena, why the concerted effort to force Kroger customers to deal with people armed and with indeterminate intent or stability in order to get a loaf of bread? Why is carrying weapons a more righteous expression of First Amendment rights than expressing displeasure of the militarization of Kroger, or Piggly Wiggly, or K-mart? Explain it to those of us who are just too slow to see why your rights trump anybody else’s…
OldLefty October 31st, 2014 at 07:22
And we should equally support the rights of private patrons (even those in eateries) to leave the premise, (even if they have eaten and not yet paid or have frozen food in their cart), because they see a high risk of great danger, and it is reasonable to get themselves and their families out quickly.
It has nothing to do with the free market or the Constitution.
It has EVERYTHING to do with an industry having a stranglehold on a bought and paid for government.
bpollen October 27th, 2014 at 15:19
“We don’t want this to even be about guns…”
Perhaps I’m slow (my wife frequently says so,) but if it’s not about guns, why do you want people to go to Krogers armed? I bet you don’t want it to be about nudity either, so…
Matt Willoughby October 29th, 2014 at 16:13
Should probably finish the rest of the statement, but since you didn’t, I’ll finish it for you.
From Brett on Ohio Carry’s FB Page: “The Kroger Support Day is not about guns. We do not want it to be about guns. We want it to be about showing support to a business who is standing up to bullies and refusing to back down from their intimidation tactics.”
For the slow people in the room, we are supporting a privately run business’s right to choose how they wish to make their own choices and policies, and no feel forced into a political arena. Personally, you all should applaud them for choosing to stay out of it. But that’s coming from an independent Pro-Constitutional, not a conservative or a liberal.
bpollen October 31st, 2014 at 07:07
“For the slow people in the room, we are supporting a privately run business’s right to choose how they wish to make their own choices and policies, and no feel forced into a political arena.”
So, you have a problem with the free market? With freedom of speech of those who disagree with you or Kroger? If you are against businesses feeling forced into the political arena, why the concerted effort to force Kroger customers to deal with people armed and with indeterminate intent or stability in order to get a loaf of bread? Why is carrying weapons a more righteous expression of First Amendment rights than expressing displeasure of the militarization of Kroger, or Piggly Wiggly, or K-mart? Explain it to those of us who are just too slow to see why your rights trump anybody else’s…
OldLefty October 31st, 2014 at 07:22
And we should equally support the rights of private patrons (even those in eateries) to leave the premise, (even if they have eaten and not yet paid or have frozen food in their cart), because they see a high risk of great danger, and it is reasonable to get themselves and their families out quickly.
It has nothing to do with the free market or the Constitution.
It has EVERYTHING to do with an industry having a stranglehold on a bought and paid for government.
bpollen October 31st, 2014 at 15:36
I agree that you have the right to keep your family safe, and I certainly think that immediately leaving an establishment when guns not on a police officer enter.
I disagree that it has nothing to do with the free market or the constitution. We don’t have a truly free market because, as you say, corporations have bought our government (tho there are success stories of citizens impacting the market a la Dump Rush, anti-fracking groups, and those protesting Keystone XL) And it has to do with the constitution because ours is supposed to be a representative government, not a pay-for-play government.
So, we agree on the problems, but as a vet, I place a much higher value on the constitution. After all, EVERY servicemen pledges:
“”I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”
OK, so maybe I mumbled during the “so help me god” part, but I believe the rest of it.
Eric October 27th, 2014 at 16:43
I’ll make you a deal…if you can tell me with certainty when and where violent crime (robbery, rape, etc.) that might put my family in danger will happen, then I will ONLY carry at those times in those locations…I will leave my sidearm at home the rest of the time.
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 21:31
stop being such a p**sy
Eric October 28th, 2014 at 08:42
Wow Tracey marie…such a well thought out and intelligent rebuttal. I’m in awe…. you’ve got me convinced. I gotta’ say Anomaly, you really bring out the best of the best to argue your case with your articles…lol
tracey marie October 28th, 2014 at 13:41
it is aimed at your intellectual level.
Eric October 28th, 2014 at 16:00
Well I’m glad to see that you are concerned enough to reach for the stars and talk above your normal level in order to attempt to insult a neanderthal like me. Just keep practicing your critical thinking skills…you’ll get there some day. Fortunately for us, you are the typical liberal. We don’t need to try to make you look bad…your words speak for themselves :-)
tracey marie October 28th, 2014 at 17:04
low level teabagger
Eric October 28th, 2014 at 20:05
I guess that would make you the teabagee, eh?
Eric October 27th, 2014 at 16:43
I’ll make you a deal…if you can tell me with certainty when and where violent crime (robbery, rape, etc.) that might put my family in danger will happen, then I will ONLY carry at those times in those locations…I will leave my sidearm at home the rest of the time.
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 21:31
stop being such a p**sy
Eric October 28th, 2014 at 08:42
Wow Tracey marie…such a well thought out and intelligent rebuttal. I’m in awe…. you’ve got me convinced. I gotta’ say Anomaly, you really bring out the best of the best to argue your case with your articles…lol
tracey marie October 28th, 2014 at 13:41
it is aimed at your intellectual level.
Eric October 28th, 2014 at 16:00
Well I’m glad to see that you are concerned enough to reach for the stars and talk above your normal level in order to attempt to insult a neanderthal like me. Just keep practicing your critical thinking skills…you’ll get there some day. Fortunately for us, you are the typical liberal. We don’t need to try to make you look bad…your words speak for themselves :-)
tracey marie October 28th, 2014 at 17:04
low level teabagger
Eric October 28th, 2014 at 20:05
I guess that would make you the teabagee, eh?
Joseph Butts October 27th, 2014 at 16:57
“We are asking that people either conceal or keep it to handguns only! We don’t want this to even be about guns; we want to show Kroger support for standing by their beliefs and not backing down to bullies”
Actual quote from open carry
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 21:31
rotflmao…the same dikless wonders who carried and said fk u
Matt Willoughby October 29th, 2014 at 15:41
Actually Joseph, it’s Ohio Carry not Open Carry, and yes there is a difference.
Matt Willoughby October 27th, 2014 at 16:57
This article got part of something right. We are asking our supporters and members not to bring long guns to the demonstration. That is hardly supporting Moms Demand Action.
We support the Constitutional Rights of all law abiding citizens. Including the 2nd Amendment. However, in this instance we are asking them not to bring long guns to the demonstration… very differect than badgering a company into stifling someone’s Constitutional Rights.
arc99 October 27th, 2014 at 17:21
Being prevented from carrying a gun in Target is no different than being prevented from driving down the street at 3am in the morning using a bullhorn to declare your support for a political candidate.
The former does not stifle your 2nd amendment rights, and the latter does not stifle your 1st amendment rights.
And I happen to be a gun owner, so put your misconceptions right back where you found them.
Kim D Campbell October 27th, 2014 at 19:03
Actually, yeah, there is a difference. In the case of the 3am bullhorn you are obviously disturbing peace and tranquility. In the case of carrying a long gun in Target/Kroger/wherever, you are doing no such thing.
Oh, and I happen to be a guy that’s never open carried a long gun, and seldom open carries my hand gun, so to quote you: “…put your misconceptions right back where you found them.”
Matt Willoughby October 27th, 2014 at 20:45
Thanks Kim. You said it so I don’t have too.
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 21:30
both of you dikless wonders are fondling your guns as you type one handed
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 21:30
my trasnquility is disturbed seeing you dikless wonders attempting to intimidate everyone else around you
Kim D Campbell October 27th, 2014 at 22:02
Wow. You certainly put me in my place.
fahvel October 28th, 2014 at 04:28
she did!!!! You try to side step but being dickless you do it rather awkwardly.
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 21:29
lol, why do you need a gun to feel like a man?
fahvel October 28th, 2014 at 04:26
you will get no response.
whatthe46 October 28th, 2014 at 05:01
yep. its already been 8 hrs. lol.
tracey marie October 28th, 2014 at 13:43
because it is not a man but a child
Matt Willoughby October 29th, 2014 at 09:47
I don’t need a firearm to feel like a man, but I do carry one to protect my children.
tracey marie October 29th, 2014 at 13:10
no you do not
Matt Willoughby October 29th, 2014 at 13:32
Tracey, how you choose to be a parent to your children is one thing, but please do not presume that you know how to be a parent to mine.
You decide what best for your family in the part of the world where you live, and I will do the same for mine. Thanks.
tracey marie October 29th, 2014 at 14:05
a gun around children is a bad parenting skill, period
Matt Willoughby October 29th, 2014 at 14:17
Only to the uneducated or unsafe. My step daughter (8) and my oldest son (12) have both had a gun safety course designed for children. And my firearms stay locked up and out of their reach… at all times. You know what they say about opinions Tracey. In case, I will refer you back to my previous comment.
tracey marie October 29th, 2014 at 14:45
lol, no, period.
Joseph Butts October 27th, 2014 at 16:57
“We are asking that people either conceal or keep it to handguns only! We don’t want this to even be about guns; we want to show Kroger support for standing by their beliefs and not backing down to bullies”
Actual quote from open carry
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 21:31
rotflmao…the same dikless wonders who carried and said fk u
Matt Willoughby October 29th, 2014 at 15:41
Actually Joseph, it’s Ohio Carry not Open Carry, and yes there is a difference.
Matt Willoughby October 27th, 2014 at 16:57
This article got part of something right. We are asking our supporters and members not to bring long guns to the demonstration. That is hardly supporting Moms Demand Action.
We support the Constitutional Rights of all law abiding citizens. Including the 2nd Amendment. However, in this instance we are asking them not to bring long guns to the demonstration… very differect than badgering a company into stifling someone’s Constitutional Rights.
arc99 October 27th, 2014 at 17:21
Being prevented from carrying a gun in Target is no different than being prevented from driving down the street at 3am in the morning using a bullhorn to declare your support for a political candidate.
The former does not stifle your 2nd amendment rights, and the latter does not stifle your 1st amendment rights.
And I happen to be a gun owner, so put your misconceptions right back where you found them.
Kim D Campbell October 27th, 2014 at 19:03
Actually, yeah, there is a difference. In the case of the 3am bullhorn you are obviously disturbing peace and tranquility. In the case of carrying a long gun in Target/Kroger/wherever, you are doing no such thing.
Oh, and I happen to be a guy that’s never open carried a long gun, and seldom open carries my hand gun, so to quote you: “…put your misconceptions right back where you found them.”
Matt Willoughby October 27th, 2014 at 20:45
Thanks Kim. You said it so I don’t have too.
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 21:30
both of you dikless wonders are fondling your guns as you type one handed
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 21:30
my trasnquility is disturbed seeing you dikless wonders attempting to intimidate everyone else around you
Kim D Campbell October 27th, 2014 at 22:02
Wow. You certainly put me in my place.
fahvel October 28th, 2014 at 04:28
she did!!!! You try to side step but being dickless you do it rather awkwardly.
tracey marie October 27th, 2014 at 21:29
lol, why do you need a gun to feel like a man?
fahvel October 28th, 2014 at 04:26
you will get no response.
whatthe46 October 28th, 2014 at 05:01
yep. its already been 8 hrs. lol.
tracey marie October 28th, 2014 at 13:43
because it is not a man but a child
Matt Willoughby October 29th, 2014 at 09:47
I don’t need a firearm to feel like a man, but I do carry one to protect my children.
tracey marie October 29th, 2014 at 13:10
no you do not
Matt Willoughby October 29th, 2014 at 13:32
Tracey, how you choose to be a parent to your children is one thing, but please do not presume that you know how to be a parent to mine.
You decide what’s best for your family in the part of the world where you live, and I will do the same for mine. Thanks.
tracey marie October 29th, 2014 at 14:05
a gun around children is a bad parenting skill, period
Matt Willoughby October 29th, 2014 at 14:17
Only to the uneducated or unsafe. My step daughter (8) and my oldest son (12) have both had a gun safety course designed for children. And my firearms stay locked up and out of their reach… at all times. You know what they say about opinions Tracey. In this case though, I will refer you back to my previous comment about parenting your children and me parenting mine.
tracey marie October 29th, 2014 at 14:45
lol, no, period.
Gun toting cracker October 27th, 2014 at 17:21
I just went through the entire Ohio Revised Code. Nowhere does it say anything about informing any liberal reporter(s) that you have to inform him (them) whether or not any of Brett’s friends have licenses, (permits).
OR is there any requirement to even inform LEO if your open carrying .
Bad guys with guns are usually shooting at you after they ask for a cash donation.
whatthe46 October 27th, 2014 at 21:03
yeah, the kids at sandy hook were loaded with cash.
Gun toting cracker October 27th, 2014 at 17:21
I just went through the entire Ohio Revised Code. Nowhere does it say anything about informing any liberal reporter(s) that you have to inform him (them) whether or not any of Brett’s friends have licenses, (permits).
OR is there any requirement to even inform LEO if your open carrying .
Bad guys with guns are usually shooting at you after they ask for a cash donation.
whatthe46 October 27th, 2014 at 21:03
yeah, the kids at sandy hook were loaded with cash.