Images: How NRA Supporters React To Moms’ Gun Sense Group Over Open Carry At Kroger
After the NRA posted the following image on their Facebook page of a Kroger manager in Ohio refusing to accept a petition from Moms Demand Action to end open carrying firearms in stores, Bearingarms.com asserted that it’s a ‘basic human right” to carry long guns in a store where families shop with their children.
Ironically and hypocritically, in another post, the site’s author states, “Open carry announces to the world that you are armed. That makes you a primary target in almost any conceivable situation.”
The following are NRA supporters who left messages on the Moms Demand Action Facebook page.
Kangaroo Kevin, an alleged human, writes that he supports Kroger and opposes gay marriage while suggesting that the gun sense group fucks trees and licks dogs.
Donald Donnie Foerch Jr, writes, “God bless Croger.” [sic]
Ricky Walker just wants people to “see” his guns. Ricky has two guns. He’s super-duper-tough and he totally does not look like a gangsta.
Eric supports Kroger. I can tell because he types that thought repeatedly.
Chris Bruster openly carries a firearm because of ‘evil’ people in our country, all of whom he obviously believes meet up at Kroger.
Bill is “rockin out” with his Glock, because clearly that’s why the Second Amendment was created.
People that defend the NRA by keeping their memberships intact, aren’t paying attention. The aforementioned people made their plans clear: They will openly carry guns into Kroger locations across the country with no regard for families who shop there with their children.
A favorite bit of rhetoric from Open Carry activists is that a gun is simply an inanimate object. While that’s true, the people with their hands on the trigger don’t look like ‘good guys with a gun.’
Are these the folks Kroger should be “trusting to be responsible with their guns in stores” as per their statement? You be the judge. As for me, I’ve been spending my delicious dollars elsewhere — until a gun policy is implemented.
Big thanks to my tipster whose anonymity shall be respected here.
All images obtained on social media, thereby making them fair use.
Copyright 2014 Liberaland
By: Anomaly100
roy hoco October 10th, 2014 at 13:37
I love shopping at Kroger because I get to shoot out the lights and shoot up the produce section those melons make wonderful targets
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 14:16
I know people caught this on RS but I was reading a Stanford Law Review Article the other day, I googled the right not to open and carry, or right not to carry, and it popped up. Because I’ve been on Kroger FB page to post my two cents, and everything is my rights, my rights, blah, blah. I have known that I as a non carrier have no rights. There is no negative to the 2A. People… Judges, politicians, you and me, businesses, etc. are starting to acknowledge this as a problem. When Heller passed and it became an individual right to keep and bear arms under the auspices it was for hearth and home and that the 2A was still not an unlimited amendment everyone thought in the end common sense would prevail. It of course has been bastardized, as we have and seen that of the Hobby Lobby abomination we saw last year. People have taken this restructuring of the 2A far from what Scalia said he intended, which was really what he intended. So I say we need a new amendment to the 2A a right not to carry. As article points out many rights have them. Yes we can use the 1A, but it’s not direct enough, not anymore. I just don’t know how to get a movement like this going? Do any of you? Thoughts? I think it’s a way forward. It’s a way to allow our chicken Senators to support some sort gun restriction, or at least open some legal doors for those who wish not to carry, or be around guns.
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 14:17
I might be full of poop?
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 15:16
Open carry means terrorist and mass murderers don’t need to sneak around.
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 16:41
you mean the good guys?
dragontech64 October 10th, 2014 at 18:01
Same thing.
Chinese Democracy October 10th, 2014 at 20:54
they are all good guys with a gun.. until they shoot up the local wal mart
nynetguy October 10th, 2014 at 15:43
Here it is. The dumbest thing I’ve read all day. You do have a right not to carry and it’s called the Second Amendment. Just because you have it does not mean you MUST use it. You have the right to free speech but if you choose not to protest does that mean you also need a non-First Amendment?
More simply put, what you don’t have, is a Constitutional right to FEEL safe. If you did than we could, Constitutionally, lock away anyone that made someone FEEL safe.
It’s quite simple. If you don’t want to carry then don’t but don’t think that you have the right to dictate the behavior that I engage in. It’s this belief which drives me crazy. The right think they can tell people who they can marry while the left argues they have no right to dictate the lives of other people. Then the left turns around and talks out the other side of their neck and trys to tell people how they should live. How about everyone just get’s off their high horse and stops trying to tell others how to live, hmmm? Isn’t that an idea?
If I open or concealed carry it doesn’t make you any less safe, in fact, studies have shown that open carry laws actually reduces crimes in those areas so open carry actually makes you safer.
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 16:31
Read the article it makes perfect sense. The 1A certainly does have a negative component to it. The 2A- would be part of the 2A. And you’re right I don’t have a constitutional right to feel safe. It’s all in how you look at guns. And by you and certain state governments you’re certainly telling me how to live my life and they are by your rules because you all have the right and the guns. I think it’s time for me to have a right. You’re the hypocrite.
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 16:40
PSS… What’s really interesting and I didn’t know this. That in some states like OK they made a law mandating businesses have parking lots for people who want to carry guns. Some laws say mandate that businesses allow employees to carry guns or at least lock them in their desk. Two things here. How many times have we seen a disgruntled employee freak out? and I may have thought this Hobby Lobby thing as too much of a negative. Now that we consider Businesses as individuals per the Supremes’ one of those businesses should take this 2a- for a ride.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 19:17
One of the most complete studies of open carry legal gun owners was performed in 2009 in the State of Indiana. The study shows that many open carriers have extremely violent histories, are dangerous people and use their guns to commit violence and intimidate. In just three years, 2007 through 2010, concealed handgun permit holders killed 273 people (1.5 per week), including 9 law enforcement officers. During the same time period, they also committed 17 mass shootings and 25 murder-suicides.
Given these facts, the justification that only “legal gun owners” are granted permits to carry a gun concealed, or carry guns openly is faulty. These “legal gun owners” are legal until they use their guns to commit crimes. Therefore, the notion that concealed carry permit holders and open carriers are not a threat to public safety is simply false
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 14:02
Got a link to that study?
Jones October 12th, 2014 at 21:33
http://www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm
Jones October 12th, 2014 at 21:40
http://archive.indystar.com/article/20091011/NEWS14/910110365/Should-these-Hoosiers-been-allowed-carry-gun-public-
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 00:47
Thanks…. didn’t see it here. Thanked you upthread.
Jones October 12th, 2014 at 22:15
http://archive.indystar.com/article/20091011/NEWS14/910110365/Should-these-Hoosiers-been-allowed-carry-gun-public-
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 00:20
Thanks for the link.
So…. Indiana has a broken system and you castigate all carriers? You cannot infringe upon the rights of the law abiding due to the actions of criminals. Fix that legal system and put those people in jail.
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 14:16
I know people caught this on RS but I was reading a Stanford Law Review Article the other day, I googled the right not to open and carry, or right not to carry, and it popped up. Because I’ve been on Kroger FB page to post my two cents, and everything is my rights, my rights, blah, blah. I have known that I as a non carrier have no rights. There is no negative to the 2A. People… Judges, politicians, you and me, businesses, etc. are starting to acknowledge this as a problem. When Heller passed and it became an individual right to keep and bear arms under the auspices it was for hearth and home and that the 2A was still not an unlimited amendment everyone thought in the end common sense would prevail. It of course has been bastardized, as we have and seen that of the Hobby Lobby abomination we saw last year. People have taken this restructuring of the 2A far from what Scalia said he intended, which was really what he intended. So I say we need a new amendment to the 2A a right not to carry. As article points out many rights have them. Yes we can use the 1A, but it’s not direct enough, not anymore. I just don’t know how to get a movement like this going? Do any of you? Thoughts? I think it’s a way forward. It’s a way to allow our chicken Senators to support some sort gun restriction, or at least open some legal doors for those who wish not to carry, or be around guns.
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 14:17
I might be full of poop?
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 15:16
Open carry means terrorist and mass murderers don’t need to sneak around.
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 16:41
you mean the good guys?
dragontech64 October 10th, 2014 at 18:01
Same thing.
Chinese Democracy October 10th, 2014 at 20:54
they are all good guys with a gun.. until they shoot up the local wal mart
nynetguy October 10th, 2014 at 15:43
Here it is. The dumbest thing I’ve read all day. You do have a right not to carry and it’s called the Second Amendment. Just because you have it does not mean you MUST use it. You have the right to free speech but if you choose not to protest does that mean you also need a non-First Amendment?
More simply put, what you don’t have, is a Constitutional right to FEEL safe. If you did than we could, Constitutionally, lock away anyone that made someone FEEL safe.
It’s quite simple. If you don’t want to carry then don’t but don’t think that you have the right to dictate the behavior that I engage in. It’s this belief which drives me crazy. The right think they can tell people who they can marry while the left argues they have no right to dictate the lives of other people. Then the left turns around and talks out the other side of their neck and trys to tell people how they should live. How about everyone just get’s off their high horse and stops trying to tell others how to live, hmmm? Isn’t that an idea?
If I open or concealed carry it doesn’t make you any less safe, in fact, studies have shown that open carry laws actually reduces crimes in those areas so open carry actually makes you safer.
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 16:31
Read the article it makes perfect sense. The 1A certainly does have a negative component to it. The 2A- would be part of the 2A. And you’re right I don’t have a constitutional right to feel safe. It’s all in how you look at guns. And by you and certain state governments you’re certainly telling me how to live my life and they are by your rules because you all have the right and the guns. I think it’s time for me to have a right. You’re the hypocrite.
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 16:40
PSS… What’s really interesting and I didn’t know this. That in some states like OK they made a law mandating businesses have parking lots for people who want to carry guns. Some laws say mandate that businesses allow employees to carry guns or at least lock them in their desk. Two things here. How many times have we seen a disgruntled employee freak out? and I may have thought this Hobby Lobby thing as too much of a negative. Now that we consider Businesses as individuals per the Supremes’ one of those businesses should take this 2a- for a ride.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 19:17
One of the most complete studies of open carry legal gun owners was performed in 2009 in the State of Indiana. The study shows that many open carriers have extremely violent histories, are dangerous people and use their guns to commit violence and intimidate. In just three years, 2007 through 2010, concealed handgun permit holders killed 273 people (1.5 per week), including 9 law enforcement officers. During the same time period, they also committed 17 mass shootings and 25 murder-suicides.
Given these facts, the justification that only “legal gun owners” are granted permits to carry a gun concealed, or carry guns openly is faulty. These “legal gun owners” are legal until they use their guns to commit crimes. Therefore, the notion that concealed carry permit holders and open carriers are not a threat to public safety is simply false
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 14:02
Got a link to that study?
Jones October 12th, 2014 at 21:33
…
Jones October 12th, 2014 at 21:40
http://archive.indystar.com/article/20091011/NEWS14/910110365/Should-these-Hoosiers-been-allowed-carry-gun-public-
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 00:47
Thanks…. didn’t see it here. Thanked you upthread.
Jones October 12th, 2014 at 22:15
http://archive.indystar.com/article/20091011/NEWS14/910110365/Should-these-Hoosiers-been-allowed-carry-gun-public-
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 00:20
Thanks for the link.
So…. Indiana has a broken system and you castigate all carriers? You cannot infringe upon the rights of the law abiding due to the actions of criminals. Fix that legal system and put those people in jail.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 14:37
Which one’s not allowed?
yogiman October 10th, 2014 at 15:44
He isn’t. He might hit someone over the head with that basket.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 14:37
Which one’s not allowed?
yogiman October 10th, 2014 at 15:44
He isn’t. He might hit someone over the head with that basket.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 14:58
Joh Stewart on open carry.
nynetguy October 10th, 2014 at 15:37
Anyone who relies on a comedian for their source of news should not be allowed to take part in the public discourse.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 15:40
It’s not news.
yogiman October 10th, 2014 at 15:43
He’s good for a laugh. He would be hilarious if he knew what he was ‘joking’ about.
Chris Carpenter October 11th, 2014 at 11:08
He knows FAR better than you do.
dragontech64 October 10th, 2014 at 17:59
When that comedian is more accurate and more reliable, truthful, than a major “news” media outlet (though calling Fox a news outlet can only be done as sarcasm) then I don’t see an issue with agreeing with the comedian’s news.
Chris Carpenter October 11th, 2014 at 11:07
Or, you could go to Fox News and get your news from a talking monkey.
gonedadygone January 8th, 2015 at 07:03
82% of the country gets their news from FOX. CNN brings you a traveling cook , Anthony Bourdain and MSNBC features LOCKDOWN !!!! Behind prison walls..
OldLefty January 8th, 2015 at 07:33
From where do you get THAT stat??
All polls indicate that the vast majority get their news from local broadcast networks.
Then of course there is the STUDY: Watching Only Fox News Makes You Less Informed Than Watching No News At AllRead more: http://www.businessinsider.com…
As David Frum said, “Republicans have been Fleeced, Exploited And Lied To’ by a Conservative Entertainment Complex”
Although, I do agree with you on, CNN brings you a traveling cook , Anthony Bourdain and MSNBC features LOCKDOWN !!!!
Part of why I quit TV news (what an oxymoron) in 2004.
( I quit smoking in 2006… I don’t know which was more toxic).
gonedadygone January 8th, 2015 at 16:05
Neilsens annual report. It actually said that 82% of Americans that watch news regularly watch FOX news. I will say this. FOX almost always has a “bipartisan” panel. On the liberal side I enjoy Kirsten Powers and Bob Beckle. Both have good sense of humor and add to the conversation rather than argue meaningless BS. On the conservative side I love Megyn Kelly. She does her home work, bumps heads with O’Reilly and usually nails it. And lets face it she is easy on the eyes. I was one of those FOX bashers until I actually watched a few of their programs. It turned out to be fairly informative and the bonus was getting stories not covered else where. I do agree news organizations exploit people but not nearly as extreme as Business Insider would have us believe. You have to have an understanding going into the news before you get anything out of the news. Henry Bloget an editor at Business Insider has had a bone to pick with FOX for some time now so I wouldn’t expect any pleasantries to be exchanged. Congrats on the smoking issue. I hear its quite a battle. I have never tried smoking. I’m somewhat of a fitness freak. My diet is another story I eat all food groups including Twinkies.
OldLefty January 8th, 2015 at 16:39
You would have to reproduce that data because all other reports show that only a small minority get news from cable at all.
In 2013, the cable news audience, by nearly all measures, declined. The combined median prime-time viewership of the three major news channels—CNN, Fox News and MSNBC—dropped 11% to about 3 million, the smallest it has been since 2007.
http://www.journalism.org/2014/03/26/state-of-the-news-media-2014-key-indicators-in-media-and-news/
71% from local TV News
65% from Network TV News
38% from cable TV News
http://www.journalism.org/2013/10/11/how-americans-get-tv-news-at-home/
I think that the only media that qualifies as news are newspapers, and even then you have to factcheck.
eg; read the CBO report, or the polls instead of allowing them to feed you the headlines which are often misleading.
Meanwhile cable is preferred by conservatives and Fox, in my opinion is simply a right wing propaganda machine.
With Fox;
Ran a poll which ACTUALLY showed that 61% of Americans OPPOSE REDUCING collective bargaining
rights of government workers;
Fox switched it to;
61% of Americans FAVOR REDUCING collective bargaining rights of government workers.
They used 4 year old footage ,(From before the Native American history Museum) and passed it off as from THEIR Tea party rally.
Passed off footage from THEIR earlier bigger rally, as Michelle Bachmann’s rally
Passed off footage of “union thugs” from PALM TREE lined streets in Wisconsin.
Putting (D) after Mark Foley and Mark Sanford, and John Kasich.
Bill Sammon, a Fox News vice president and Washington managing editor, who is a former Washington Times reporter sent the staff a memo….
“Please use the term ‘government-run health insurance,’ or, when brevity is a concern, ‘government option,’ whenever possible,” the memo said.
That is false and meant to mislead.
Memo from FNC Senior VP John Moody the day after the 2006 election:
“The elections and Rumsfeld’s resignation were a major event, but not the end of the world. The
war on terror goes on without interruption. Jennifer Griffin sent in info on Hamas’ call for attacks on American interests. And let’s be on the lookout for any statements from the Iraqi insurgents, who must be thrilled at the prospect of a Dem-controlled congress.”
Memo
“And be on the lookout for statements from the Iraqi insurgents, who must be thrilled
at the prospect of a Dem-controlled Congress.”
That sounds more like the propaganda arm of a political party.
Lastly, popularity among any group just show they are pandering to that group.
tracey marie January 8th, 2015 at 16:58
you were always a fox slop watcher and lover…your choice of an inflammatory and racist avatar and your mysogynist comments show what you are…nothing fair, honest or intelligent about you
gonedadygone January 8th, 2015 at 21:12
Not true cup cake. But if you insist. Nothing racist about my avitar. I am 100% anti Fat Al Sharpton. I’ll bet you support Fat Al don’t you ? Racist c(‘)nt. He should be shinned alive for the crimes and racist acts he has committed. Ever here of Poughkeepsie NY ? Tawana Brawley ? How about Menachem Schneersome ? The list is endless… On the “mysogynist front there are only two women I hate. Hillary and Pelosi. Two more criminals that need to be skinned alive and fed to Fat Al Sharpton..
tracey marie January 8th, 2015 at 21:18
your racist list inplies he created the situations…I stand by my assessment of what you are
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 14:58
Joh Stewart on open carry.
nynetguy October 10th, 2014 at 15:37
Anyone who relies on a comedian for their source of news should not be allowed to take part in the public discourse.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 15:40
It’s not just news. It’s cultural enlightenment.
yogiman October 10th, 2014 at 15:43
He’s good for a laugh. He would be hilarious if he knew what he was ‘joking’ about.
Chris Carpenter October 11th, 2014 at 11:08
He knows FAR better than you do.
dragontech64 October 10th, 2014 at 17:59
When that comedian is more accurate and more reliable, truthful, than a major “news” media outlet (though calling Fox a news outlet can only be done as sarcasm) then I don’t see an issue with agreeing with the comedian’s news.
Chris Carpenter October 11th, 2014 at 11:07
Or, you could go to Fox News and get your news from a talking monkey.
venom January 8th, 2015 at 08:03
82% of the country gets their news from FOX. CNN brings you a traveling cook , Anthony Bourdain and MSNBC features LOCKDOWN !!!! Behind prison walls..
OldLefty January 8th, 2015 at 08:33
From where do you get THAT stat??
All polls indicate that the vast majority get their news from local broadcast networks.
Then of course there is the STUDY: Watching Only Fox News Makes You Less Informed Than Watching No News At AllRead more: http://www.businessinsider.com…
As David Frum said, “Republicans have been Fleeced, Exploited And Lied To’ by a Conservative Entertainment Complex”
Although, I do agree with you on, CNN brings you a traveling cook , Anthony Bourdain and MSNBC features LOCKDOWN !!!!
Part of why I quit TV news (what an oxymoron) in 2004.
( I quit smoking in 2006… I don’t know which was more toxic).
venom January 8th, 2015 at 17:05
Neilsens annual report. It actually said that 82% of Americans that watch news regularly watch FOX news. I will say this. FOX almost always has a “bipartisan” panel. On the liberal side I enjoy Kirsten Powers and Bob Beckle. Both have good sense of humor and add to the conversation rather than argue meaningless BS. On the conservative side I love Megyn Kelly. She does her home work, bumps heads with O’Reilly and usually nails it. And lets face it she is easy on the eyes. I was one of those FOX bashers until I actually watched a few of their programs. It turned out to be fairly informative and the bonus was getting stories not covered else where. I do agree news organizations exploit people but not nearly as extreme as Business Insider would have us believe. You have to have an understanding going into the news before you get anything out of the news. Henry Bloget an editor at Business Insider has had a bone to pick with FOX for some time now so I wouldn’t expect any pleasantries to be exchanged. Congrats on the smoking issue. I hear its quite a battle. I have never tried smoking. I’m somewhat of a fitness freak. My diet is another story I eat all food groups including Twinkies.
OldLefty January 8th, 2015 at 17:39
You would have to reproduce that data because all other reports show that only a small minority get news from cable at all.
In 2013, the cable news audience, by nearly all measures, declined. The combined median prime-time viewership of the three major news channels—CNN, Fox News and MSNBC—dropped 11% to about 3 million, the smallest it has been since 2007.
http://www.journalism.org/2014/03/26/state-of-the-news-media-2014-key-indicators-in-media-and-news/
71% from local TV News
65% from Network TV News
38% from cable TV News
http://www.journalism.org/2013/10/11/how-americans-get-tv-news-at-home/
I think that the only media that qualifies as news are newspapers, and even then you have to factcheck.
eg; read the CBO report, or the polls instead of allowing them to feed you the headlines which are often misleading.
Meanwhile cable is preferred by conservatives and Fox, in my opinion is simply a right wing propaganda machine.
With Fox;
Ran a poll which ACTUALLY showed that 61% of Americans OPPOSE REDUCING collective bargaining
rights of government workers;
Fox switched it to;
61% of Americans FAVOR REDUCING collective bargaining rights of government workers.
They used 4 year old footage ,(From before the Native American history Museum) and passed it off as from THEIR Tea party rally.
Passed off footage from THEIR earlier bigger rally, as Michelle Bachmann’s rally
Passed off footage of “union thugs” from PALM TREE lined streets in Wisconsin.
Putting (D) after Mark Foley and Mark Sanford, and John Kasich.
Bill Sammon, a Fox News vice president and Washington managing editor, who is a former Washington Times reporter sent the staff a memo….
“Please use the term ‘government-run health insurance,’ or, when brevity is a concern, ‘government option,’ whenever possible,” the memo said.
That is false and meant to mislead.
Memo from FNC Senior VP John Moody the day after the 2006 election:
“The elections and Rumsfeld’s resignation were a major event, but not the end of the world. The
war on terror goes on without interruption. Jennifer Griffin sent in info on Hamas’ call for attacks on American interests. And let’s be on the lookout for any statements from the Iraqi insurgents, who must be thrilled at the prospect of a Dem-controlled congress.”
Memo
“And be on the lookout for statements from the Iraqi insurgents, who must be thrilled
at the prospect of a Dem-controlled Congress.”
That sounds more like the propaganda arm of a political party.
Lastly, popularity among any group just show they are pandering to that group.
tracey marie January 8th, 2015 at 17:58
you were always a fox slop watcher and lover…your choice of an inflammatory and racist avatar and your mysogynist comments show what you are…nothing fair, honest or intelligent about you
tracey marie January 8th, 2015 at 22:18
your racist list inplies he created the situations…I stand by my assessment of what you are
hardoug October 10th, 2014 at 15:27
The issue as I understand it is the act of open carry of a firearm, if its a lawful act or not would depend on what state you live in. I have had many discussions with those who carry a firearm and believe there are 3 types/kinds of carriers and am curious of why the other side says open carry is offensive/dangerous? My intention is not to offend anyone just a civil exchange of information and thoughts.
nynetguy October 10th, 2014 at 15:37
The anti-gunners hate open carry simply because they are terrified of guns and what those guns would do in their own hands. They doubt their own ability to safely own and operate such a machine and as such project their own inadequacies on others. Also, these are the people who believe that only the government should have guns and that if their own lives were in jeopardy they would be able to “rationalize” with the criminal
dragontech64 October 10th, 2014 at 17:57
It isn’t the gun that is the issue, but a well earned lack of trust in the asshole carrying it. We cannot tell, when you come into a store if you are an open carry wingnut, or a psychopath about to shoot up the place. And in something like this, being wrong can be fatal, and that is just not acceptable. IF I were carrying a gun (concealed, not open, since open just screams dickhead) and someone came into a store with an AR-15, I’d be more likely to just shoot him to be sure he ISN’T a psychopath about to shoot up the place. (And yes, I do own guns and do shoot.)
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 12:54
Not all of us, sonny. Some of us are just worried about the lackwits openly carrying. From your comment, I’d say you qualify as someone to worry about.
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 14:00
So…concealed carry is just fine then.
Thanks.
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 17:01
Firstly, be honest. I am sure you are looking for someone to flip, it’s what we all want to do. Well not entirely sometimes I prefer to go for the throat, never very well mind you. The handsome devil below me is wrong about this anti-gun person but that is his prerogative. This is not a black and white issue. It is one that will not be won in it’s entirety.
hardoug October 10th, 2014 at 17:06
Honestly no I’m not looking to flip anyone, I honestly just don’t get it, for me both sides are equally wrong. I mean is there no middle ground and if in fact there is such a place how can anyone get there without knowledge of each position.
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 17:38
There is a middle ground. I’m waiting to see what happens during this election cycle. My first concern about O/C was Georgia and it’s new law, carry anywhere and how it would effect the voting. They had already re-districted. So after GA, I kept aware of what was going on in the news, NYT’s had their Gun Death column once a week, now discontinued, etc. I watched the judicial hearings regarding the Lori Jackson Blumenthal Bill and thought gun people can’t oppose this. Well, I knew they could since the Sheriff’s in CO. said they weren’t going to put info into the system regarding abusive people with guns. Anyway I find especially O/C a lazy way to obtain a permit, or no permit, costs very little. I think it creates an environment of hostility. Children are being taught gun drills at school, what message does O/C give them? Accidents have happened, I think one accident/death is one too many. I personally don’t feel safer around guns, I’ve had my own experiences with them. I really like this not so new idea but new to me the 2A-. I want a distinct right not to carry, where I can have some legal leverage if ever I’m put in a place. I’d like to see the Blumenthal Bill come through and passed. I think there should be some real ramification for people who serve as law enforcement who do not do their jobs. I think their Unions need to be vetted again. I think if lawmakers are so willing to put citizens lives on the line we need to re-think about government spaces being safe houses. And we need to require just as much from a gun carrier/license as we do for driver’s licenses, plus insurance. How’s that.
hardoug October 10th, 2014 at 18:57
I do agree this voting cycle will be interesting,CT is another to watch I’m interested to see what happens in CT and also GA,CO.
I am not familiar with 2A- would it be an addition to the 2A? Looking thru the eyes of a observer I can see the appearance of hostility. So basically you feel firearms are unsafe in general and open carry portrays a aggressive image?
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 20:45
I’m more worried about using guns as intimidation in GA. Guns only have to be kept 150 ft. away from polling places. And excuse me for this but the South hasn’t always been so good at voting rights. People were scared by one Black Panther in 2014, and I get that. I can also get why he was pissed. Thank god the Supremes stepped in today for Wis. they be playing with ballots up there for sure. O/C doesn’t just portray a negative image. It’s about a woman who died across the street by a ricochet bullet from some guy coming out of a bar/restaurant who accidentally shot a bullet thru his hand.
hardoug October 11th, 2014 at 15:13
Thanks… I will admit usually I don’t have a civil exchange or even get this far well before now name calling begins and obviously there is no exchange thanks again.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 00:46
Just to let you know the other side of the street.
Open carry has been legal for decades in Virginia. It used to be mandatory in any restaurant that served alcohol. Mandatory. I did it myself. I still OC when its hot. Not often, but sometimes.
OC is seen frequently in Virginia. No problems. We can carry in the City Hall and the Capitol buildings, except for the actual chamber. I’ve open and concealed carried in both places.
No one cares.
The long gun fiasco was a stunt pulled by people hoping to get Texas to review their idiotic no OC of pistols.
One thing about having an OC law is that if you reveal your concealed carry by accident, you have no legal problems. Some places will arrest you for merely printing.
And through all of this…no voting problems.
hardoug October 10th, 2014 at 15:27
The issue as I understand it is the act of open carry of a firearm, if its a lawful act or not would depend on what state you live in. I have had many discussions with those who carry a firearm and believe there are 3 types/kinds of carriers and am curious of why the other side says open carry is offensive/dangerous? My intention is not to offend anyone just a civil exchange of information and thoughts.
nynetguy October 10th, 2014 at 15:37
The anti-gunners hate open carry simply because they are terrified of guns and what those guns would do in their own hands. They doubt their own ability to safely own and operate such a machine and as such project their own inadequacies on others. Also, these are the people who believe that only the government should have guns and that if their own lives were in jeopardy they would be able to “rationalize” with the criminal
dragontech64 October 10th, 2014 at 17:57
It isn’t the gun that is the issue, but a well earned lack of trust in the asshole carrying it. We cannot tell, when you come into a store if you are an open carry wingnut, or a psychopath about to shoot up the place. And in something like this, being wrong can be fatal, and that is just not acceptable. IF I were carrying a gun (concealed, not open, since open just screams dickhead) and someone came into a store with an AR-15, I’d be more likely to just shoot him to be sure he ISN’T a psychopath about to shoot up the place. (And yes, I do own guns and do shoot.)
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 12:54
Not all of us, sonny. Some of us are just worried about the lackwits openly carrying. From your comment, I’d say you qualify as someone to worry about.
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 14:00
So…concealed carry is just fine then.
Thanks.
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 17:01
Firstly, be honest. I am sure you are looking for someone to flip, it’s what we all want to do. Well not entirely sometimes I prefer to go for the throat, never very well mind you. The handsome devil below me is wrong about this anti-gun person but that is his prerogative. This is not a black and white issue. It is one that will not be won in it’s entirety.
hardoug October 10th, 2014 at 17:06
Honestly no I’m not looking to flip anyone, I honestly just don’t get it, for me both sides are equally wrong. I mean is there no middle ground and if in fact there is such a place how can anyone get there without knowledge of each position.
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 17:38
There is a middle ground. I’m waiting to see what happens during this election cycle. My first concern about O/C was Georgia and it’s new law, carry anywhere and how it would effect the voting. They had already re-districted. So after GA, I kept aware of what was going on in the news, NYT’s had their Gun Death column once a week, now discontinued, etc. I watched the judicial hearings regarding the Lori Jackson Blumenthal Bill and thought gun people can’t oppose this. Well, I knew they could since the Sheriff’s in CO. said they weren’t going to put info into the system regarding abusive people with guns. Anyway I find especially O/C a lazy way to obtain a permit, or no permit, costs very little. I think it creates an environment of hostility. Children are being taught gun drills at school, what message does O/C give them? Accidents have happened, I think one accident/death is one too many. I personally don’t feel safer around guns, I’ve had my own experiences with them. I really like this not so new idea but new to me the 2A-. I want a distinct right not to carry, where I can have some legal leverage if ever I’m put in a place. I’d like to see the Blumenthal Bill come through and passed. I think there should be some real ramification for people who serve as law enforcement who do not do their jobs. I think their Unions need to be vetted again. I think if lawmakers are so willing to put citizens lives on the line we need to re-think about government spaces being safe houses. And we need to require just as much from a gun carrier/license as we do for driver’s licenses, plus insurance. How’s that.
hardoug October 10th, 2014 at 18:57
I do agree this voting cycle will be interesting,CT is another to watch I’m interested to see what happens in CT and also GA,CO.
I am not familiar with 2A- would it be an addition to the 2A? Looking thru the eyes of a observer I can see the appearance of open carry seeming hostile/aggressive. So basically you feel firearms are unsafe in general and open carry portrays a aggressive image?
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 20:45
I’m more worried about using guns as intimidation in GA. Guns only have to be kept 150 ft. away from polling places. And excuse me for this but the South hasn’t always been so good at voting rights. People were scared by one Black Panther in 2014, and I get that. I can also get why he was pissed. Thank god the Supremes stepped in today for Wis. they be playing with ballots up there for sure. O/C doesn’t just portray a negative image. It’s about a woman who died across the street by a ricochet bullet from some guy coming out of a bar/restaurant who accidentally shot a bullet thru his hand.
hardoug October 11th, 2014 at 15:13
Thanks… I will admit usually I don’t have a civil exchange or even get this far well before now name calling begins and obviously there is no exchange thanks again.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 00:46
Just to let you know the other side of the street.
Open carry has been legal for decades in Virginia. It used to be mandatory in any restaurant that served alcohol. Mandatory. I did it myself. I still OC when its hot. Not often, but sometimes.
OC is seen frequently in Virginia. No problems. We can carry in the City Hall and the Capitol buildings, except for the actual chamber. I’ve open and concealed carried in both places.
No one cares.
The long gun fiasco was a stunt pulled by people hoping to get Texas to review their idiotic no OC of pistols.
One thing about having an OC law is that if you reveal your concealed carry by accident, you have no legal problems. Some places will arrest you for merely printing.
And through all of this…no voting problems.
nynetguy October 10th, 2014 at 15:35
Yup. This is how the pro-gun community responds. With level headed responses and not a drop of threatening violence. Too bad you can’t say the same about the anti-gun side. Go read some comments from @memesdemand (Erma Gertrude Childs). She has openly advocated for the government sanctioned rounding up and execution of legal gun owners and depriving legal gun owners of their Constitutional rights to vote. She also suggests that anti-gunners call the police whenever they see someone exercising their rights and reporting a crime in progress. Never mind the fact that it is a felony to knowingly give a false report to the police. This cowardly puke also makes fun of suicide victims and routinely insists that law abiding gun owners do not have any rights.
In short, she, like most other anti-gunners, are nothing but fascist scum who would willingly execute anyone who thinks differently than they do.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 15:47
That sounded level headed./s
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 16:53
Fascism – “Martial virtues are to be celebrated, while liberal and democratic are disparaged.” Webster’s Dictionary. Does this sound like the anti-gunners you all know? Hell we’re your libtards man.
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 13:59
You forgot the part where the individual is subservient to the state. So…yes..that does sound like the anti-gunners I know.
annaaurora October 13th, 2014 at 11:42
We are hardly subservient to the state. We are peaceful people. We’re not the one’s going to parade’s with great big guns hanging off our backs so every child gets to see them. You don’t know if that child has seen daddy pointing a gun at mommy do you? or how about those school drills. or how about that kid just enjoying a parade without a goddamn gun their face. I’m talking about the OCT freaks. And yes I mean CJ Grisham and band of Losers.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 17:30
You anti-gunners want US to be subservient to the state by infringing upon our rights. That is the fascist part. You want to use the power of the state, their power of the gun, to infringe upon our rights and the rights of all citizens.
annaaurora October 13th, 2014 at 17:54
Quit the bullshit. The 2A is not without limits firstly. Fascism is something that you should really read about.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 18:13
I know all about fascism. The term came up describing an anti-gunner that has no problem advocating the rounding up of people that disagree with her under force of law.
Per my statement about subservience to the state, her position is fascistic.
Nor did I say that the 2nd is without limits. That is a straw argument.
However, the limits are being defined since the 2nd has only recently been incorporated to the states.
We have an inalienable right to keep and bear arms as a civil liberty. It is protected by the Constitution. It does not derive from the Constitution. It exists outside of the Constitution. The 2nd is a limit on government power.
As written, please point out the legal authority for a law that infringes upon the right to keep and bear arms.
Right now, the actual limits caused by real life politics, are being determined.
I’m curious. What limits to the 2nd do you feel exist? How about the other civil liberties?
annaaurora October 13th, 2014 at 20:16
My right not Keep and Bear Arms for defense and protection. The !9th seems to be struggling as of late. Both of which should be guarded by our Federal Government.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 20:21
You do have a right not to keep and bear arms. There are no provisions to force you to own arms. This right is not a limit to the 2nd. The right to keep and bear arms harms no one.
You do not have a right to shoot. There are strict laws about that and you are accountable for every shot.
The 9th has no problem about your right NOT to have a weapon….except for the precedent set by ACA on forcing third party purchases for the good of society.
Also, be aware, if you WERE part of the organized militia, you would be expected to supply your own firearm.
annaaurora October 13th, 2014 at 21:06
I do have a right not really. it’s not protected but I think it’s high time it is for real. I have no idea about your shoot talk because I see what happens in cases. Much has to do about race and class. All the reading I have done I have never heard about any repercussion talk. If we are talking forensic science then maybe. You’re right to keep and bear arms usurps mine because I have no right. This is why I will be pushing for my Anti Right. And ask my Senators to stand with me because these are the United States of America. I should have a right to travel and privilege to roam without harm and prejudges in 2014.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 23:52
Please point out where you can be forced to buy a firearm.
My right to keep and bear arms is the same as your right to keep and bear arms. I also have the right to not own weapons.
You have the right to travel without harm. The right to keep and bear arms harms no one.
Margaret Kaufman October 13th, 2014 at 18:01
Really?
nynetguy October 10th, 2014 at 15:35
Yup. This is how the pro-gun community responds. With level headed responses and not a drop of threatening violence. Too bad you can’t say the same about the anti-gun side. Go read some comments from @memesdemand (Erma Gertrude Childs). She has openly advocated for the government sanctioned rounding up and execution of legal gun owners and depriving legal gun owners of their Constitutional rights to vote. She also suggests that anti-gunners call the police whenever they see someone exercising their rights and reporting a crime in progress. Never mind the fact that it is a felony to knowingly give a false report to the police. This cowardly puke also makes fun of suicide victims and routinely insists that law abiding gun owners do not have any rights.
In short, she, like most other anti-gunners, are nothing but fascist scum who would willingly execute anyone who thinks differently than they do.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 15:47
That sounded level headed./s
annaaurora October 10th, 2014 at 16:53
Fascism – “Martial virtues are to be celebrated, while liberal and democratic are disparaged.” Webster’s Dictionary. Does this sound like the anti-gunners you all know? Hell we’re your libtards man.
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 13:59
You forgot the part where the individual is subservient to the state. So…yes..that does sound like the anti-gunners I know.
annaaurora October 13th, 2014 at 11:42
We are hardly subservient to the state. We are peaceful people. We’re not the one’s going to parade’s with great big guns hanging off our backs so every child gets to see them. You don’t know if that child has seen daddy pointing a gun at mommy do you? or how about those school drills. or how about that kid just enjoying a parade without a goddamn gun their face. I’m talking about the OCT freaks. And yes I mean CJ Grisham and band of Losers.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 17:30
You anti-gunners want US to be subservient to the state by infringing upon our rights. That is the fascist part. You want to use the power of the state, their power of the gun, to infringe upon our rights and the rights of all citizens.
annaaurora October 13th, 2014 at 17:54
Quit the bullshit. The 2A is not without limits firstly. Fascism is something that you should really read about.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 18:13
I know all about fascism. The term came up describing an anti-gunner that has no problem advocating the rounding up of people that disagree with her under force of law.
Per my statement about subservience to the state, her position is fascistic.
Nor did I say that the 2nd is without limits. That is a straw argument.
However, the limits are being defined since the 2nd has only recently been incorporated to the states.
We have an inalienable right to keep and bear arms as a civil liberty. It is protected by the Constitution. It does not derive from the Constitution. It exists outside of the Constitution. The 2nd is a limit on government power.
As written, please point out the legal authority for a law that infringes upon the right to keep and bear arms.
Right now, the actual limits caused by real life politics, are being determined.
I’m curious. What limits to the 2nd do you feel exist? How about the other civil liberties?
annaaurora October 13th, 2014 at 20:16
My right not Keep and Bear Arms for defense and protection. The !9th seems to be struggling as of late. Both of which should be guarded by our Federal Government.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 20:21
You do have a right not to keep and bear arms. There are no provisions to force you to own arms. This right is not a limit to the 2nd. The right to keep and bear arms harms no one.
You do not have a right to shoot. There are strict laws about that and you are accountable for every shot.
The 9th has no problem about your right NOT to have a weapon….except for the precedent set by ACA on forcing third party purchases for the good of society.
Also, be aware, if you WERE part of the organized militia, you would be expected to supply your own firearm.
annaaurora October 13th, 2014 at 21:06
I do have a right not really. it’s not protected but I think it’s high time it is for real. I have no idea about your shoot talk because I see what happens in cases. Much has to do about race and class. All the reading I have done I have never heard about any repercussion talk. If we are talking forensic science then maybe. You’re right to keep and bear arms usurps mine because I have no right. This is why I will be pushing for my Anti Right. And ask my Senators to stand with me because these are the United States of America. I should have a right to travel and privilege to roam without harm and prejudges in 2014.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 23:52
Please point out where you can be forced to buy a firearm.
My right to keep and bear arms is the same as your right to keep and bear arms. I also have the right to not own weapons.
You have the right to travel without harm. The right to keep and bear arms harms no one.
annaaurora October 13th, 2014 at 21:56
I have a wooden spoon an old beagle, two cats I can toss and carly simon I can play loudly. how’s that. So stay the fuck away!
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 23:46
Excellent. Spoons are terrifying.
annaaurora October 13th, 2014 at 22:03
Oh and ACA will be my saving grace. I used to carry the insurance in my family of 2. But recently I had heart surgery and it didn’t do all that great. Husband never had it without me. Not for 22 years. You bet we need it. So good luck and I a happy you can live without. Even if I could live without you fuck I would always worry about the rest of us. That’s what Americans do if you talk to each other.
Margaret Kaufman October 13th, 2014 at 18:01
Really?
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 17:21
Stewart on OC.
Chinese Democracy October 12th, 2014 at 03:20
truck nuts! havent seen those since I lived in Houston. Im ok with not ever seeing them again lol
I made an exception though that picture is worth a thousand words
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 17:21
Stewart on OC.
Chinese Democracy October 12th, 2014 at 03:20
truck nuts! havent seen those since I lived in Houston. Im ok with not ever seeing them again lol
I made an exception though that picture is worth a thousand words
dragontech64 October 10th, 2014 at 17:52
When some dickhead comes into a store with their phallic replacement out, we cannot tell if they are the proverbial “good guy with a gun” or a psychopath about to start shooting.
When you have two seconds to choose between psychopath about to shoot, or psychopath trying to bully people into accepting his asinine interpretation of the Second Amendment, you can’t wait around for them to show which type of psychopath they are. Just leave your purchases and GET OUT of that store, with your family, by any route, any means possible, as fast as possible.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 18:16
Or shoot them../s
grendal113 October 10th, 2014 at 22:41
Rofl please do…..ill be the guy pointing and laughing. Would you wet yourself? It will give your act the much needed realism. Hey maybe you could even call 911 and lie like that Richie guy in Ohio….you know the one? He’s going to prison.
tracey marie October 10th, 2014 at 22:56
the white supremacist lied about a black guy…completely diffrent and you know it
grendal113 October 10th, 2014 at 23:11
Oh? So it’s ok to get an open carrier killed but not a black guy? No don’t see a difference. …care to explain?
tracey marie October 10th, 2014 at 23:15
twist, spin and show your hood
grendal113 October 11th, 2014 at 10:30
What are you talking about? They deleted my comment. Then I get told they guy who called the cops was a supremacist so you know thats ok.
Who is the coward that deleted my comment!
Anomaly 100 October 11th, 2014 at 10:35
I deleted your comment. This is private property, so you need to abide by the rules.
grendal113 October 11th, 2014 at 10:49
What rule did I break?
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 13:58
You probably injected reality into the conversation.
grendal113 October 12th, 2014 at 14:54
Lol yeah I pointed out calling 911 will get you prison time like Richie. Oh and if they ran out I would follow so I could point and laugh.
grendal113 October 11th, 2014 at 10:28
Wth? Why was my comment deleted?
dragontech64 October 10th, 2014 at 17:52
When some dickhead comes into a store with their phallic replacement out, we cannot tell if they are the proverbial “good guy with a gun” or a psychopath about to start shooting.
When you have two seconds to choose between psychopath about to shoot, or psychopath trying to bully people into accepting his asinine interpretation of the Second Amendment, you can’t wait around for them to show which type of psychopath they are. Just leave your purchases and GET OUT of that store, with your family, by any route, any means possible, as fast as possible.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 18:16
Or shoot them../s
tracey marie October 10th, 2014 at 22:56
the white supremacist lied about a black guy…completely diffrent and you know it
grendal113 October 10th, 2014 at 23:11
Oh? So it’s ok to get an open carrier killed but not a black guy? No don’t see a difference. …care to explain?
tracey marie October 10th, 2014 at 23:15
twist, spin and show your hood
grendal113 October 11th, 2014 at 10:30
What are you talking about? They deleted my comment. Then I get told they guy who called the cops was a supremacist so you know thats ok.
Who is the coward that deleted my comment!
Anomaly 100 October 11th, 2014 at 10:35
I deleted your comment. This is private property, so you need to abide by the rules.
grendal113 October 11th, 2014 at 10:49
What rule did I break?
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 13:58
You probably injected reality into the conversation.
grendal113 October 12th, 2014 at 14:54
Lol yeah I pointed out calling 911 will get you prison time like Richie. Oh and if they ran out I would follow so I could point and laugh.
grendal113 October 11th, 2014 at 10:28
Wth? Why was my comment deleted?
steveafrikaner October 10th, 2014 at 18:31
Mom’s…. got the publicity they wanted, Kroger customers get to carry. Every one is happy, except the “progressive” who penned the article. That is a plus, and I am sure Kroger will surely miss his dollars! Not……………..
steveafrikaner October 10th, 2014 at 18:31
Mom’s…. got the publicity they wanted, Kroger customers get to carry. Every one is happy, except the “progressive” who penned the article. That is a plus, and I am sure Kroger will surely miss his dollars! Not……………..
tree207 October 10th, 2014 at 19:09
Aw Geez, just so many folks helping me to remember the years of my youth. But still I miss the staccato of automatic small arms fire, the resonance of the air thump as the mortar shell leaves the tube, the sight of red rain from Puff the Magic Dragon at night, the ripping silk of the 8inch howitzer as the shell lofts overhead, the pop and glare burst of the flare and sharp face slapping blast of the claymore.
When do we get to wear steel pots and flak jackets. Come on, come on, why we could all meet down at the muddy bog in the rain and have a lunch of lima beans and ham straight out of the can, unless someone wants to use some of their C4 for food warming fuel.
This Country is Great, let me tell you. You Think Wal Mart will change their name to PX?
tree207 October 10th, 2014 at 19:16
Don’t worry folks, the guvmint won’t let me own a firearm.
grendal113 October 10th, 2014 at 22:37
Why? They think you’re a crazy vet? I remember it as the BX. Base exchange. ..Vietnam?
tree207 October 12th, 2014 at 15:57
yes. two tours. Post or Base exchange. It was just called the PX where I was, other places the BX.
When we where moved out of the Central Highlands to the Coast, we were stripped of weapons and ammunition and had to stand guard with empty weapons and no ammo.
Why? Well some bright soul at a think tank crunched numbers
tree207 October 12th, 2014 at 16:02
that proved that more soldiers would be killed/injured by accidental discharge of firearms than killed/injured by hostile fire at the new positions the Army was deploying to, that is the new positions along the coast and out of the interior of the country of Vietnam.
And of course, the weird political pressures created a huge pressure to limit risk.
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 13:57
And all that unnecessary gun handling was a major cause of negligent discharges.
tree207 October 10th, 2014 at 19:09
Aw Geez, just so many folks helping me to remember the years of my youth. But still I miss the staccato of automatic small arms fire, the resonance of the air thump as the mortar shell leaves the tube, the sight of red rain from Puff the Magic Dragon at night, the ripping silk of the 8inch howitzer as the shell lofts overhead, the pop and glare burst of the flare and sharp face slapping blast of the claymore.
When do we get to wear steel pots and flak jackets. Come on, come on, why we could all meet down at the muddy bog in the rain and have a lunch of lima beans and ham straight out of the can, unless someone wants to use some of their C4 for food warming fuel.
This Country is Great, let me tell you. You Think Wal Mart will change their name to PX?
OH, oh, I forgot, the PX’s used to have small arms discharge sand barrels outside the building, where you pointed your weapon and pulled the trigger just to make sure there was no round in the chamber.
I am so happy to be back in a civilized and peaceful country.
tree207 October 10th, 2014 at 19:16
Don’t worry folks, the guvmint won’t let me own a firearm.
grendal113 October 10th, 2014 at 22:37
Why? They think you’re a crazy vet? I remember it as the BX. Base exchange. ..Vietnam?
tree207 October 12th, 2014 at 15:57
yes. two tours. Post or Base exchange. It was just called the PX where I was, other places the BX.
When we where moved out of the Central Highlands to the Coast, we were stripped of weapons and ammunition and had to stand guard with empty weapons and no ammo.
Why? Well some bright soul at a think tank crunched numbers
tree207 October 12th, 2014 at 16:02
that proved that more soldiers would be killed/injured by accidental discharge of firearms than killed/injured by hostile fire at the new positions the Army was deploying to, that is the new positions along the coast and out of the interior of the country of Vietnam.
And of course, the weird political pressures created a huge pressure to limit risk.
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 13:57
And all that unnecessary gun handling was a major cause of negligent discharges.
Sharon Cornett October 11th, 2014 at 02:00
I never spent that much at Fred Meyer, but they’re not getting another penny from me until they take a stand against these nutcases.