Images: How NRA Supporters React To Moms’ Gun Sense Group Over Open Carry At Kroger
After the NRA posted the following image on their Facebook page of a Kroger manager in Ohio refusing to accept a petition from Moms Demand Action to end open carrying firearms in stores, Bearingarms.com asserted that it’s a ‘basic human right” to carry long guns in a store where families shop with their children.
Ironically and hypocritically, in another post, the site’s author states, “Open carry announces to the world that you are armed. That makes you a primary target in almost any conceivable situation.”
The following are NRA supporters who left messages on the Moms Demand Action Facebook page.
Kangaroo Kevin, an alleged human, writes that he supports Kroger and opposes gay marriage while suggesting that the gun sense group fucks trees and licks dogs.
Donald Donnie Foerch Jr, writes, “God bless Croger.” [sic]
Ricky Walker just wants people to “see” his guns. Ricky has two guns. He’s super-duper-tough and he totally does not look like a gangsta.
Eric supports Kroger. I can tell because he types that thought repeatedly.
Chris Bruster openly carries a firearm because of ‘evil’ people in our country, all of whom he obviously believes meet up at Kroger.
Bill is “rockin out” with his Glock, because clearly that’s why the Second Amendment was created.
People that defend the NRA by keeping their memberships intact, aren’t paying attention. The aforementioned people made their plans clear: They will openly carry guns into Kroger locations across the country with no regard for families who shop there with their children.
A favorite bit of rhetoric from Open Carry activists is that a gun is simply an inanimate object. While that’s true, the people with their hands on the trigger don’t look like ‘good guys with a gun.’
Are these the folks Kroger should be “trusting to be responsible with their guns in stores” as per their statement? You be the judge. As for me, I’ve been spending my delicious dollars elsewhere — until a gun policy is implemented.
Big thanks to my tipster whose anonymity shall be respected here.
All images obtained on social media, thereby making them fair use.
Copyright 2014 Liberaland
By: Anomaly100
Postone October 10th, 2014 at 01:26
If you are a law abiding citizen its no one’s else’s business what you, say, or carry as long as you are not breaking any laws. And the same goes for the people who oppose open carry, CCW, gays or what have you, its their right to express their views again as long as no laws are broken.
I have carried 38 special and then a Colt Government Issue 380 (they aren’t made any longer) since I was 21 years old. I have never had to use it, but I did pull it one time. Some say if you pull a gun you should be ready to use it. That’s, crap because the police pull theirs all the time and don’t always shoot.
The problem with both sides of this issue and both sides of people, is that neither one of ya will let the other live their lives. Just mind your own business (both sides) and tend to your families. None of you are so special that your backyard is all cleaned up and you have nothing to do.
And grow up…
whatthe46 October 10th, 2014 at 02:59
until one of those law abiding gun carrying citizens go ape shit and shoot everyone. gotcha.
bogart14 October 10th, 2014 at 03:59
Oy vei, obviously the issue is what the laws are, what is contraband or not. Cocaine is not legal, even though, a priori, there is no theoretical necessity for your possession of a baggie of coke to harm me. Driving 120 mph doesn’t in and of itself harm anyone either. But there are laws against that activity. The relative positivity of those laws may be up for debate, but your post clearly lacks any realistic perspective. The Guvment regulates cars (and crack), unless you disagree with the basic proposition that these fall under the purview of the state, then you would be intellectually failing if you somehow separated guns from said regulatory mechanisms.
verneoz October 10th, 2014 at 08:36
There are over 20,000 local, state and federal gun laws on the books in the 50 states. Guns are definitely regulated.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 01:58
Gun deaths.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 01:00
108,000 defensive gun uses, per the CDC.
The VPC likes to leave that bit out.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 01:58
Gun deaths.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 01:00
108,000 defensive gun uses, per the CDC.
The VPC likes to leave that bit out.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 02:15
OC supporters.
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 09:52
Actually Jones – no. They are not open carrying – they are brandishing.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 11:15
open carry texas
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 13:21
So are these lackwits brandishing or carrying?
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 00:59
See the slings. Carrying.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 11:17
Their barrels are down.
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 11:24
Indeed they are. Firearms are also slung. They are not being held in free hands as in the photo above.
Texas has a slightly unique situation in that long guns are the only guns they are legally allowed to open carry. Well those and pre-1893 black power revolvers or replicas thereof. Texans want to be able to carry a ‘modern’ design sidearm like most of the country, but for now they can’t.
Rick October 10th, 2014 at 11:44
Probably they can’t be trusted maybe is why.At least with long guns they have an idea who is a wacko and needs to be watched.
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 11:49
Their accident rates are a little better (lower) than many other States. Haven’t seen a break down in unlawful/justified homicides within the State to compare to others.
I’d suggest that Texans are no different than the rest of the citizens of the US.
edit – I wonder what make Vermont so trustworthy. They have been a constitutional carry since the birth of this nation. Const. Carry is the ability to choose to OC or CC at the discretion of the carrier – without any permit of any sort.
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 13:18
Imported Cajun: “Firearms are also slung. They are not being held in free hands as in the photo above.”
Sez who? And who slings a shotgun anyway?
Imported Cajun October 11th, 2014 at 18:16
I’m not sure what’s happened here. My comment above was a reply to Jones but it was posted under a different photo. The photo above demonstrates brandishing, not open carrying.
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 18:47
What is the difference in law between “brandishing” and “open carrying?” Who determines which people are doing in these cases? What is the law’s reaction to each of the two actions? Is this something you made up?
Frankly, I think anyone who insists on walking up and down the aisles of their local grocery carrying a rifle, combat weapon or pistol in hand or in holster is brandishing. They’re trying to bully the public into accepting this as some sort of new societal norm. The fact that we don’t like it doesn’t make us the bad guys.
Imported Cajun October 11th, 2014 at 19:32
I’m basing my responses to the above photos and others on Louisiana law. Your States may have different definitions.
Brandishing within the context of concealed carry is partially defined in Louisiana RS40:1382.
For a handgun if it is in a holster worn on your person, but clearly visible then that is open carrying. Just like a police officer.
If you are holding the handgun in you hand in such a way that there is a reasonable expectation that it could be discharged that is brandishing. That will get you arrested and your firearm confiscated. If you have a concealed permit, well, you HAD a concealed permit.
Rifles must be carried via a sling, muzzle down. The same definition applies. This is why OC’ing a rifle slung to the front can be bad. Could there be a reasonable expectation that it could discharged? Slung to the back no such issue.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 00:59
The fact that you don’t like it and are trying to infringe upon the rights of others to carry makes you the bad guys.
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 13:13
That’s pretty stupid, Cajus. On what basis do you divide open carry from brandishing? Whatever it is, I wouldn’t want to take it into court. But your answer illustrates a point. Black guys in stores with guns won’t likely get the same tolerance as white guys.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 00:57
No…his complaint was that they were brandishing. It is a legal term. They are holding their weapons in their hands.
Open carry means holstered pistols and slung long guns.
Chinese Democracy October 10th, 2014 at 21:09
that picture is a perfect example why every mom and kid in america should be armed to the teeth!!
looks like an NRA ad
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 09:18
Why is it a perfect example why every mom and kid in america should be armed to the teeth?
Those four upstanding young men are simply exercizing their 2nd Amendment rights (the guy grabbing his crotch could use a lecture on manners from HIS mom, though).
Chinese Democracy October 11th, 2014 at 14:14
sar·casm
ˈsärˌkazəm/
noun
the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.
“his voice, hardened by sarcasm, could not hide his resentment”
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 00:56
Nice to see them using trigger discipline.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 02:15
OC supporters.
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 09:52
Actually Jones – no. They are not open carrying – they are brandishing.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 11:15
open carry texas
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 13:21
So are these lackwits brandishing or carrying?
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 00:59
See the slings. Carrying.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 11:17
Their barrels are down.
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 11:24
Indeed they are. Firearms are also slung. They are not being held in free hands as in the photo above.
Texas has a slightly unique situation in that long guns are the only guns they are legally allowed to open carry. Well those and pre-1893 black power revolvers or replicas thereof. Texans want to be able to carry a ‘modern’ design sidearm like most of the country, but for now they can’t.
Rick October 10th, 2014 at 11:44
Probably they can’t be trusted maybe is why.At least with long guns they have an idea who is a wacko and needs to be watched.
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 11:49
Their accident rates are a little better (lower) than many other States. Haven’t seen a break down in unlawful/justified homicides within the State to compare to others.
I’d suggest that Texans are no different than the rest of the citizens of the US.
edit – I wonder what make Vermont so trustworthy. They have been a constitutional carry since the birth of this nation. Const. Carry is the ability to choose to OC or CC at the discretion of the carrier – without any permit of any sort.
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 13:18
Imported Cajun: “Firearms are also slung. They are not being held in free hands as in the photo above.”
Sez who? And who slings a shotgun anyway?
Imported Cajun October 11th, 2014 at 18:16
I’m not sure what’s happened here. My comment above was a reply to Jones but it was posted under a different photo. The photo above demonstrates brandishing, not open carrying.
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 18:47
What is the difference in law between “brandishing” and “open carrying?” Who determines which people are doing in these cases? What is the law’s reaction to each of the two actions? Is this something you made up?
Frankly, I think anyone who insists on walking up and down the aisles of their local grocery carrying a rifle, combat weapon or pistol in hand or in holster is brandishing. They’re trying to bully the public into accepting this as some sort of new societal norm. The fact that we don’t like it doesn’t make us the bad guys.
Imported Cajun October 11th, 2014 at 19:32
I’m basing my responses to the above photos and others on Louisiana law. Your States may have different definitions.
Brandishing within the context of concealed carry is partially defined in Louisiana RS40:1382.
For a handgun if it is in a holster worn on your person, but clearly visible then that is open carrying. Just like a police officer.
If you are holding the handgun in you hand in such a way that there is a reasonable expectation that it could be discharged that is brandishing. That will get you arrested and your firearm confiscated. If you have a concealed permit, well, you HAD a concealed permit.
Rifles must be carried via a sling, muzzle down. The same definition applies. This is why OC’ing a rifle slung to the front can be bad. Could there be a reasonable expectation that it could discharged? Slung to the back no such issue.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 00:59
The fact that you don’t like it and are trying to infringe upon the rights of others to carry makes you the bad guys.
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 13:13
That’s pretty stupid, Cajun. On what basis do you divide open carry from brandishing? Whatever it is, I wouldn’t want to take it into court. But your answer illustrates a point. Black guys in stores with guns won’t likely get the same tolerance as white guys.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 00:57
No…his complaint was that they were brandishing. It is a legal term. They are holding their weapons in their hands.
Open carry means holstered pistols and slung long guns.
Chinese Democracy October 10th, 2014 at 21:09
that picture is a perfect example why every mom and kid in america should be armed to the teeth!!
looks like an NRA ad
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 09:18
Why is it a perfect example why every mom and kid in america should be armed to the teeth?
Those four upstanding young men are simply exercizing their 2nd Amendment rights (the guy grabbing his crotch could use a lecture on manners from HIS mom, though).
Chinese Democracy October 11th, 2014 at 14:14
sar·casm
ˈsärˌkazəm/
noun
the use of irony to mock or convey contempt.
“his voice, hardened by sarcasm, could not hide his resentment”
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 00:56
Nice to see them using trigger discipline.
Kenneth Johnson October 10th, 2014 at 02:16
Aren’t you glad Kroger supports hunting in their stores?
Kenneth Johnson October 10th, 2014 at 02:16
Aren’t you glad Kroger supports hunting in their stores?
madashellnow October 10th, 2014 at 09:05
There are one heck of a lot more innocent babies killed by abortion doctors than are killed by gun owners. Not to mention, law abiding gun owners to not kill.
Jill Bergene October 10th, 2014 at 09:11
It must suck to be as stupid as you. Poor thing.
OldLefty October 10th, 2014 at 09:21
They are not babies.
More innocent ACTUAL babies are killed by http://www.medscape.com/index/section_10171_0
Medscape Medical News > Oncology
Childhood Cancer and Environmental Toxins Are Both Increasing
“proliferation of environmental toxins and the rise
in childhood cancers. circulated in the fetal blood and breast
milk.
And… lethal osteogenesis imperfecta, , holoprosencephaly , placental abruption, previa, amniontic fluid embolism, accretaprolasped
umbilical cord, epidermolysis bullose, lethal acantholytic, uterine cancers, , inversion of rupture uterus, Placenta accretaprolasped umbilical cord, shoulder dystocia ruptured endometrium. … lethal osteogenesis imperfecta,
William October 10th, 2014 at 10:17
” Not to mention, law abiding gun owners to not kill “
Chinese Democracy October 10th, 2014 at 21:07
I have a friend in the Marines and he saw a dude in McDonalds with a pistol . He started laughing.
He also noticed the guy had the hammer cocked .
my friend said what a pussy
lol put it in perspective for me
grendal113 October 11th, 2014 at 12:43
Your friend in the “marines” uh huh. And dosen’t know that a 1911 is carried cocked and locked……yeah right.
Chinese Democracy October 11th, 2014 at 14:12
yeah I made that story up just for you.. cuz I knew it would impress you.
just because you dont agree with something doesnt mean its not true
FOX viewers dont seem to get that concept
grendal113 October 11th, 2014 at 17:30
I never get that, I don’t even own a TV. Is jumping to conclusions a super power?
Ever wonder how someone would know model of pistol based on carry conditions? It tends to mean they are an expert at firearms. With many many more years of firearms experience than a “marine”. Marines are all riflemen, heck they carry a double single m9. Wouldn’t even know a 1911.
Chinese Democracy October 12th, 2014 at 03:13
so according to you. “Marines” <— ( I didnt forget the quotation marks)
All I know is my friend is a marine. He laughed and said the guy was a pussy
get a tv right wing radio is affecting your brain :)
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 00:55
Depends upon the age of the Marine.
Michael D Dempsey October 10th, 2014 at 11:26
That’s because they stop being law abiding citizens when they kill. And a womans’ right over her own body has nothing to do with guns. Guns do not create safety, they create the potential for harm, regardless of who is holding them.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 00:54
“Guns do not create safety, they create the potential for harm, regardless of who is holding them.”
Tell that to the estimated 108,000 people who protected themselves with defensive gun use every year….per the CDC.
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 13:35
Abortion is legal. Shooting people as they shop, watch movies, walk down the street or sleep in their beds is not. Law abiding gun owners drop guns, keep a round under the hammer, keep the safety off, fastdraw and shoot themselves in the nuts and generally get people shot pretty much every day.
madashellnow October 10th, 2014 at 09:05
There are one heck of a lot more innocent babies killed by abortion doctors than are killed by gun owners. Not to mention, law abiding gun owners to not kill.
Jill Bergene October 10th, 2014 at 09:11
It must suck to be as stupid as you. Poor thing.
OldLefty October 10th, 2014 at 09:21
They are not babies.
More innocent ACTUAL babies are killed by http://www.medscape.com/index/section_10171_0
Medscape Medical News > Oncology
Childhood Cancer and Environmental Toxins Are Both Increasing
“proliferation of environmental toxins and the rise
in childhood cancers. circulated in the fetal blood and breast
milk.
And… lethal osteogenesis imperfecta, , holoprosencephaly , placental abruption, previa, amniontic fluid embolism, accretaprolasped
umbilical cord, epidermolysis bullose, lethal acantholytic, uterine cancers, , inversion of rupture uterus, Placenta accretaprolasped umbilical cord, shoulder dystocia ruptured endometrium. … lethal osteogenesis imperfecta,
William October 10th, 2014 at 10:17
” Not to mention, law abiding gun owners to not kill “
Chinese Democracy October 10th, 2014 at 21:07
I have a friend in the Marines and he saw a dude in McDonalds with a pistol . He started laughing.
He also noticed the guy had the hammer cocked .
my friend said what a pussy
lol put it in perspective for me
grendal113 October 11th, 2014 at 12:43
Your friend in the “marines” uh huh. And dosen’t know that a 1911 is carried cocked and locked……yeah right.
Chinese Democracy October 11th, 2014 at 14:12
yeah I made that story up just for you.. cuz I knew it would impress you.
just because you dont agree with something doesnt mean its not true
FOX viewers dont seem to get that concept
grendal113 October 11th, 2014 at 17:30
I never get that, I don’t even own a TV. Is jumping to conclusions a super power?
Ever wonder how someone would know model of pistol based on carry conditions? It tends to mean they are an expert at firearms. With many many more years of firearms experience than a “marine”. Marines are all riflemen, heck they carry a double single m9. Wouldn’t even know a 1911.
Chinese Democracy October 12th, 2014 at 03:13
All I know is my friend is a U.S Marine. He laughed and said the guy was a pussy.
Coulda been a cop .. coulda been a detective . Or it coulda just been an a hole with a gun.
Stop trying so hard to call me a liar. You look silly and it wont make you right.
get a tv right wing radio is affecting your brain :)
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 00:55
Depends upon the age of the Marine.
Michael D Dempsey October 10th, 2014 at 11:26
That’s because they stop being law abiding citizens when they kill. And a womans’ right over her own body has nothing to do with guns. Guns do not create safety, they create the potential for harm, regardless of who is holding them.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 00:54
“Guns do not create safety, they create the potential for harm, regardless of who is holding them.”
Tell that to the estimated 108,000 people who protected themselves with defensive gun use every year….per the CDC.
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 13:35
Abortion is legal. Shooting people as they shop, watch movies, walk down the street or sleep in their beds is not. Law abiding gun owners drop guns, keep a round under the hammer, keep the safety off, fastdraw and shoot themselves in the nuts and generally get people shot pretty much every day.
Jill Bergene October 10th, 2014 at 09:13
Jeff Brunner is kissing a man…right?
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 09:58
No that would be me smart ass
Chinese Democracy October 10th, 2014 at 21:03
kissing a man?! Nooooooo what next same sex marriage in 30 states?
Jill Bergene October 10th, 2014 at 09:13
Jeff Brunner is kissing a man…right?
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 09:58
No that would be me smart ass
Chinese Democracy October 10th, 2014 at 21:03
kissing a man?! Nooooooo what next same sex marriage in 30 states?
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 10:04
wow I’m glad they use peoples pictures without consent and then turn around and block them from commenting. all they want to do is get a rise out of people and people are giving them that. Someone either has a hard on for Krogers or have some real serious underlying issues and a fear of guns. Whether your petition goes through or not I am still allowed too pack my weapons as it is my constitutional right. I barely ever shop at Krogers but I’m making a vow to shop there and exercised my constitutional rights. I hope Kroeger gets flooded with business.
Shartiblartfat October 10th, 2014 at 10:09
Wrong, Melisa; the pictures are drawn from social media, and are therefore fair game. Be careful of what you post!
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 11:17
just shows what trolls they are. an excuse me I don’t have to watch anything I say. especially when it’s not out of line.if you want to take up for a bunch of people who want to strip people from their constitutional rights just because they do not agree with it. then have at it but don’t harp on me. the attorney general’s office is already very well aware of these people and what they’re doing. it may be in there rights to do so.but its also my right not to be exposed for what I believe in. their petition is going to do nothing more than give Kroger publicity. I’m glad they’re finally taking a stand against these people.What’s good for the goose is also good for the gander.. there’s parts of the Constitution I may not agree with but I’m not going to strip one person of their rights just because I don’t like something in the same shouldn’t be done to anyone else.if they simply don’t like Krogers don’t shop there. If you don’t like a Ford don’t buy Ford. it’s pretty simple
Carla Akins October 10th, 2014 at 11:29
Not exactly. It’s the US and you are free to speak your mind but you do have to watch what you say – this is a private site and as such you are allowed to comment and offer your opinion/opposition at the discretion and pleasure of the publisher and moderators. The previous poster is correct, if you are going to make accusation you should be clear on the repercussion if you make false claims, harass another reader or just generally be an ass.
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 11:31
I responded to no one.
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 11:34
the only thing I can see is this group is in too nit picking games. They would rather nitpick and be distracted by senseless stuff rather than issues of a group of people trying to make a store lose business and on top of it violate Americans constitutional rights. But we can worry about all the little things though. how about we just rip everybody of all their rights. Let’s see how much that works out for them. :)
Carla Akins October 10th, 2014 at 11:47
No, they think carrying a long gun into a retailers to purchase Tide is a ridiculous and paranoid practice. No one is denying anyone their “rights” –
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 11:54
Although I don’t feel A shot gun if thats what you consider a long gun to be or an assault rifle necessary to go purchase tide. However that is their right. if you go stripping one right the ones we love so much can also be stripped. I’m not sure your views on this but a lot of people forget that what they love can be taken away too. we live in Kentucky where open carry is legal unless it is a federal building so therefore we can pack open. however I choose not to because I feel that makes you a prime target. If a person is truly going to cause harm they’re going to do it whether they conceal the weapon or not. but after reading some of this moms demand action comments it seems as if they want to do away with guns. Not just in Krogers. this is the battle that’s never going to end.
Carla Akins October 10th, 2014 at 12:17
They have never stated or indicated they want to remove guns, only that they were looking for sensible solutions. Generally carrying a long gun into a retail establishment, whether it’s McDonald’s or Target serves no purpose other than garner attention and scare children. I read at least one news story a day about some idiot that doesn’t know that his gun is loaded, can’t hang on to it or forgot he had laid it on the kitchen table so his 4 yr-old got a hold of it. These are not responsible gun owners. Practically my entire family are gun owner – my uncle has a federal license and makes custom guns and ammo – not a single one of them would behave in this manner. It is not unreasonable to ask a commercial establishment like Kroger’s to request no open carry in their stores. They’re private property, and
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 12:42
like I said I don’t agree that long guns need to go into stores. however it’s the right. I’m aware of the stories but I do not believe that 350 million american should be punished for 1 person mistakes. yes there are daily mistakes but we can also name all the other products as well. but the laws do vary per state and in my state I can open pack unless it’s a federal building. also I would read more articles regarding their intent and also look at their sponsors. because there are sponsors that support this group that want to do away with gun rights.
Chinese Democracy October 10th, 2014 at 21:03
So you can wander into the state supreme court strapped up huh
I doubt that
grendal113 October 10th, 2014 at 14:53
Private property operating under a permit. That means it is collective property. They can’t wack you on the head and make you a slave. They can’t allow smoking. There are thousands of things they can’t do that I can do on private property.
You see the difference right?
Carla Akins October 10th, 2014 at 15:12
What on earth does that have to do with saying whether guns are allowed on their property? Private property owners have always had the right to say No.
grendal113 October 10th, 2014 at 15:22
They aren’t true private property. They cannot remove rights, unless they go to members only.
Carla Akins October 10th, 2014 at 19:15
Yes, any private property owner and that includes retailers can prohibit open carry on their property – in all 50 states. Open carry applies to public property. Concealed carry laws vary state to state but all of them risk have a proviso that a license holder failing to leave private property when asked risks their license. Even GA’s carry guns everywhere law does not apply to private property. And yes, stores are private property for the purpose of determining jurisdiction – they are not required to allow you in with your gun even in an open carry region.
grendal113 October 10th, 2014 at 19:36
That’s just because someone like me hasn’t been asked to leave. Until one of them asks me to leave I can’t sue. See the mad mommies can’t sue for fear, but I can sue for a civil rights violation. The companies know this. Why do you think they won’t ban guns?
The permit they operate under says they will follow all state and federal laws. Any place where it is legal , but banned by commercial policy then becomes responsible. Not just for my safety but also for my rights. There are several court cases that support this. Now will they let it get that far? No they will try to settle out of court.
If it’s me though I won’t settle. This will cost millions in lost legal fees and public reputation. All so when this comes up again there is case precedent.
Chinese Democracy October 10th, 2014 at 21:01
please feel free to sue… like you said.. u will only be going up against a corporation with a sky scraper full of lawyers and you have millions of dollars to spend
go for it! Lets see if your interpretation of the Constitution is correct .. heh
Carla Akins October 10th, 2014 at 21:07
It’s law. TCP 30.06: Anyone who owns or controls property may orally or in writing, inform a person carrying ….not to mention the pesky “calculated to cause alarm” proviso,.
A business license requirement to obey city, county and state laws does not extend to allowing you to carry a handgun with a license or a long gun onto to their property. If it were illegal to prohibit firearms in retail establishments don’t you think Chipotle’s, Starbucks and Chili’s would have been sued by now. You’re wrong. And ridiculous, exactly the kind of person that should not be trusted with a gun. You attention-whore manner and insistence on forcing others to do as you wish for no purpose other than your right to flash your gun in public do not inspire confidence in your mental health.
grendal113 October 10th, 2014 at 22:33
Rofl yeah look up Marbury v Madison. It was a law you needed ID to vote. It was law no chl in Chicago. It was a law blacks couldn’t eat at the lunch counter.
Laws that counter the constitution have been getting thrown out left and right. Face it, if the second amendment got strict scrutiny like the first, I could carry machine-guns. I still can by the way. I’m a gun manufacturer.
Are you really scared that someone will shoot you for no reason? Or do you think that they will sh oot you for your charming “personally”? I only ask because the only time in 12 yrs I was shot ,was bird hunting ,by a judge. I’ve had alot of guns pointed at me, and im still here. H3ll in my line of work I shoot nearly daily.
Carla Akins October 11th, 2014 at 06:56
The fact that you’ve had numerous guns pointed at you does not surprise me at all.
Margaret Kaufman October 13th, 2014 at 18:26
You do have a very active imagination, don’t you?
grendal113 October 13th, 2014 at 20:46
My sensei had a saying, “fear requires imagination, imagination requires intelligence, you are to stupid to know when fear may save your life.”
It was ahhh a little more colorful.
However, if anyone here thought they had court precedent to prove me wrong, they would. First chance I get I will sue a business for infringement of my civil rights. So mad mommies keep it up, daddy needs a new gun shop!
Margaret Kaufman October 13th, 2014 at 21:10
You must spend a lot of time alone.
grendal113 October 13th, 2014 at 21:25
No not at all. I have a beautiful wife with a doctorate in molecular biology. Published twice I might add. I put her through school doing machine work for the oilfield while manufacturing guns, with my firearms and martial training we do just fine. Im currently focusing on the gun shop but will be heading back to school just so I can challenge on constitutional law.
Rofl ands yous thought guns folks was just rednecks!
grendal113 October 13th, 2014 at 21:28
I do have to admit, the current ruling from the corpus christi district court is great. You get what it means right?
Since proof of identity is an unconstitutional burden, driver’s licenses and gun permits are unconstitutional as well…..bazinga!
Margaret Kaufman October 14th, 2014 at 01:28
“First the ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” My Sensei, Mahatma Gandhi
grendal113 October 14th, 2014 at 09:34
Well there ya go, you remember what Gandhi said about guns and the British empire….or do you quote him like most people quote the bible?
grendal113 October 14th, 2014 at 09:40
So…..where did the gun quotes come from? It was a reference to the India Arms Act of 1878, and it came from a pamphlet written by Gandhi, urging Indians to fight alongside the British in WW I.
“Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest. If we want the Arms Act to be repealed, if we want to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity. If the middle classes render voluntary help to Government in the hour of its trial, distrust will disappear, and the ban on possessing arms will be withdrawn.”
Margaret Kaufman October 14th, 2014 at 13:42
Must you shoot down everything!
Carla Akins October 11th, 2014 at 09:15
I’ll wait here and see how that works out for you, with your legal degree and all.
grendal113 October 11th, 2014 at 10:33
Guess you’ll be waiting with me then. No one will listen to you mad mommies and throw me out….you have a business?
nynetguy October 10th, 2014 at 15:53
I hate it when anti-gunners say crap like “They have never stated or indicated they want to remove guns, only that they were looking for sensible solutions.” All one has to do is go to the pages of groups like MomsDemand or EveryTown and you see the word “ban” all over the place.
As for your “sensible solutions” we gun owners have already done that. I can’t think of a single other right that requires a background check to use, can you? Could you imagine the outrage if every time someone wanted to protest they had to submit to a background check? The funny thing is that more people have died from the spoken word then from outright gun violence.
Doubt that? You go and tell me how simply having firearms led to the Holocaust or the Rawanda Genocides. Crap like that always starts first as rhetoric. You want to end gun violence? End the freedom of speech.
Somehow, I don’t see a lot of people getting behind that one.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 16:05
USA number one!
nynetguy October 10th, 2014 at 15:49
Actually, wrong. Just because something is posted on social media doesn’t vacate the photograph owners rights. Depending on the social network the right belongs either to the person who uploaded the image or to the site itself.
What you are missing, and hilariously so, is that copyright law allows for images to be used for a limited number of functions without having to get approval from the rights holder. One of those uses is news.
Unholy Bacon October 10th, 2014 at 11:53
Public space means you don’t need consent to take someone’s picture or use it, save for profit. Sorry, but if you’re so gung-ho about people’s rights, you should at least know them.
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 11:57
actually it does matter because it also plays in the factor what the person’s intent was. That can also vary by state if you don’t believe me call attorney general’s office. obviously this group is out to expose people who want to exercise their constitutional rights. Simply because they do not agree with others who shares the same views as I do. I’m proud to be an American and I’m proud.but hey let them use my picture I’m proud to be an American and I am proud to exercise my constitutional rights.
tiredoftea October 10th, 2014 at 12:57
“…and I am proud to exercise my constitutional rights.” as told to me by the NRA and other gun zealots.
steveafrikaner October 10th, 2014 at 18:40
Gun lovers, actually…………..
Margaret Kaufman October 13th, 2014 at 18:19
Why are gun people always proud to be an American? Like the rest of the country is not? Your proud sounds like Fox and b
Anomaly 100 October 11th, 2014 at 05:06
Good try but read the last sentence in the post, which I specifically put there for the Open Carry crowd so they don’t DCMA me again (and that’s illegal, by the way)
“All images obtained on social media, thereby making them fair use.”
I exercised my rights.
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 10:04
wow I’m glad they use peoples pictures without consent and then turn around and block them from commenting. all they want to do is get a rise out of people and people are giving them that. Someone either has a hard on for Krogers or have some real serious underlying issues and a fear of guns. Whether your petition goes through or not I am still allowed too pack my weapons as it is my constitutional right. I barely ever shop at Krogers but I’m making a vow to shop there and exercised my constitutional rights. I hope Kroeger gets flooded with business.
Shartiblartfat October 10th, 2014 at 10:09
Wrong, Melisa; the pictures are drawn from social media, and are therefore fair game. Be careful of what you post!
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 11:17
just shows what trolls they are. an excuse me I don’t have to watch anything I say. especially when it’s not out of line.if you want to take up for a bunch of people who want to strip people from their constitutional rights just because they do not agree with it. then have at it but don’t harp on me. the attorney general’s office is already very well aware of these people and what they’re doing. it may be in there rights to do so.but its also my right not to be exposed for what I believe in. their petition is going to do nothing more than give Kroger publicity. I’m glad they’re finally taking a stand against these people.What’s good for the goose is also good for the gander.. there’s parts of the Constitution I may not agree with but I’m not going to strip one person of their rights just because I don’t like something in the same shouldn’t be done to anyone else.if they simply don’t like Krogers don’t shop there. If you don’t like a Ford don’t buy Ford. it’s pretty simple
Carla Akins October 10th, 2014 at 11:29
Not exactly. It’s the US and you are free to speak your mind but you do have to watch what you say – this is a private site and as such you are allowed to comment and offer your opinion/opposition at the discretion and pleasure of the publisher and moderators. The previous poster is correct, if you are going to make accusation you should be clear on the repercussion if you make false claims, harass another reader or just generally be an ass.
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 11:31
I responded to no one.
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 11:34
the only thing I can see is this group is in too nit picking games. They would rather nitpick and be distracted by senseless stuff rather than issues of a group of people trying to make a store lose business and on top of it violate Americans constitutional rights. But we can worry about all the little things though. how about we just rip everybody of all their rights. Let’s see how much that works out for them. :)
Carla Akins October 10th, 2014 at 11:47
No, they think carrying a long gun into a retailers to purchase Tide is a ridiculous and paranoid practice. No one is denying anyone their “rights” –
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 11:54
Although I don’t feel A shot gun if thats what you consider a long gun to be or an assault rifle necessary to go purchase tide. However that is their right. if you go stripping one right the ones we love so much can also be stripped. I’m not sure your views on this but a lot of people forget that what they love can be taken away too. we live in Kentucky where open carry is legal unless it is a federal building so therefore we can pack open. however I choose not to because I feel that makes you a prime target. If a person is truly going to cause harm they’re going to do it whether they conceal the weapon or not. but after reading some of this moms demand action comments it seems as if they want to do away with guns. Not just in Krogers. this is the battle that’s never going to end.
Carla Akins October 10th, 2014 at 12:17
They have never stated or indicated they want to remove guns, only that they were looking for sensible solutions. Generally carrying a long gun into a retail establishment, whether it’s McDonald’s or Target serves no purpose other than garner attention and scare children. I read at least one news story a day about some idiot that doesn’t know that his gun is loaded, can’t hang on to it or forgot he had laid it on the kitchen table so his 4 yr-old got a hold of it. These are not responsible gun owners. Practically my entire family are gun owner – my uncle has a federal license and makes custom guns and ammo – not a single one of them would behave in this manner. It is not unreasonable to ask a commercial establishment like Kroger’s to request no open carry in their stores. They’re private property, and
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 12:42
like I said I don’t agree that long guns need to go into stores. however it’s the right. I’m aware of the stories but I do not believe that 350 million american should be punished for 1 person mistakes. yes there are daily mistakes but we can also name all the other products as well. but the laws do vary per state and in my state I can open pack unless it’s a federal building. also I would read more articles regarding their intent and also look at their sponsors. because there are sponsors that support this group that want to do away with gun rights.
Chinese Democracy October 10th, 2014 at 21:03
So you can wander into the state supreme court strapped up huh
I doubt that
grendal113 October 10th, 2014 at 14:53
Private property operating under a permit. That means it is collective property. They can’t wack you on the head and make you a slave. They can’t allow smoking. There are thousands of things they can’t do that I can do on private property.
You see the difference right?
Carla Akins October 10th, 2014 at 15:12
What on earth does that have to do with saying whether guns are allowed on their property? Private property owners have always had the right to say No.
grendal113 October 10th, 2014 at 15:22
They aren’t true private property. They cannot remove rights, unless they go to members only.
Carla Akins October 10th, 2014 at 19:15
Yes, any private property owner and that includes retailers can prohibit open carry on their property – in all 50 states. Open carry applies to public property. Concealed carry laws vary state to state but all of them risk have a proviso that a license holder failing to leave private property when asked risks their license. Even GA’s carry guns everywhere law does not apply to private property. And yes, stores are private property for the purpose of determining jurisdiction – they are not required to allow you in with your gun even in an open carry region.
grendal113 October 10th, 2014 at 19:36
That’s just because someone like me hasn’t been asked to leave. Until one of them asks me to leave I can’t sue. See the mad mommies can’t sue for fear, but I can sue for a civil rights violation. The companies know this. Why do you think they won’t ban guns?
The permit they operate under says they will follow all state and federal laws. Any place where it is legal , but banned by commercial policy then becomes responsible. Not just for my safety but also for my rights. There are several court cases that support this. Now will they let it get that far? No they will try to settle out of court.
If it’s me though I won’t settle. This will cost millions in lost legal fees and public reputation. All so when this comes up again there is case precedent.
Chinese Democracy October 10th, 2014 at 21:01
please feel free to sue… like you said.. u will only be going up against a corporation with a sky scraper full of lawyers and you have millions of dollars to spend
go for it! Lets see if your interpretation of the Constitution is correct .. heh
Carla Akins October 10th, 2014 at 21:07
It’s law. TCP 30.06: Anyone who owns or controls property may orally or in writing, inform a person carrying ….not to mention the pesky “calculated to cause alarm” proviso,.
A business license requirement to obey city, county and state laws does not extend to allowing you to carry a handgun with a license or a long gun onto to their property. If it were illegal to prohibit firearms in retail establishments don’t you think Chipotle’s, Starbucks and Chili’s would have been sued by now. You’re wrong. And ridiculous, exactly the kind of person that should not be trusted with a gun. You attention-whore manner and insistence on forcing others to do as you wish for no purpose other than your right to flash your gun in public do not inspire confidence in your mental health.
grendal113 October 10th, 2014 at 22:33
Rofl yeah look up Marbury v Madison. It was a law you needed ID to vote. It was law no chl in Chicago. It was a law blacks couldn’t eat at the lunch counter.
Laws that counter the constitution have been getting thrown out left and right. Face it, if the second amendment got strict scrutiny like the first, I could carry machine-guns. I still can by the way. I’m a gun manufacturer.
Are you really scared that someone will shoot you for no reason? Or do you think that they will sh oot you for your charming “personally”? I only ask because the only time in 12 yrs I was shot ,was bird hunting ,by a judge. I’ve had alot of guns pointed at me, and im still here. H3ll in my line of work I shoot nearly daily.
Carla Akins October 11th, 2014 at 06:56
The fact that you’ve had numerous guns pointed at you does not surprise me at all.
Margaret Kaufman October 13th, 2014 at 18:26
You do have a very active imagination, don’t you?
grendal113 October 13th, 2014 at 20:46
My sensei had a saying, “fear requires imagination, imagination requires intelligence, you are to stupid to know when fear may save your life.”
It was ahhh a little more colorful.
However, if anyone here thought they had court precedent to prove me wrong, they would. First chance I get I will sue a business for infringement of my civil rights. So mad mommies keep it up, daddy needs a new gun shop!
Margaret Kaufman October 13th, 2014 at 21:10
You must spend a lot of time alone.
grendal113 October 13th, 2014 at 21:25
No not at all. I have a beautiful wife with a doctorate in molecular biology. Published twice I might add. I put her through school doing machine work for the oilfield while manufacturing guns, with my firearms and martial training we do just fine. Im currently focusing on the gun shop but will be heading back to school just so I can challenge on constitutional law.
Rofl ands yous thought guns folks was just rednecks!
grendal113 October 13th, 2014 at 21:28
I do have to admit, the current ruling from the corpus christi district court is great. You get what it means right?
Since proof of identity is an unconstitutional burden, driver’s licenses and gun permits are unconstitutional as well…..bazinga!
Margaret Kaufman October 14th, 2014 at 01:28
“First the ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” My Sensei, Mahatma Gandhi
grendal113 October 14th, 2014 at 09:34
Well there ya go, you remember what Gandhi said about guns and the British empire….or do you quote him like most people quote the bible?
grendal113 October 14th, 2014 at 09:40
So…..where did the gun quotes come from? It was a reference to the India Arms Act of 1878, and it came from a pamphlet written by Gandhi, urging Indians to fight alongside the British in WW I.
“Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest. If we want the Arms Act to be repealed, if we want to learn the use of arms, here is a golden opportunity. If the middle classes render voluntary help to Government in the hour of its trial, distrust will disappear, and the ban on possessing arms will be withdrawn.”
Margaret Kaufman October 14th, 2014 at 13:42
Must you shoot down everything!
Carla Akins October 11th, 2014 at 09:15
I’ll wait here and see how that works out for you, with your legal degree and all.
grendal113 October 11th, 2014 at 10:33
Guess you’ll be waiting with me then. No one will listen to you mad mommies and throw me out….you have a business?
nynetguy October 10th, 2014 at 15:53
I hate it when anti-gunners say crap like “They have never stated or indicated they want to remove guns, only that they were looking for sensible solutions.” All one has to do is go to the pages of groups like MomsDemand or EveryTown and you see the word “ban” all over the place.
As for your “sensible solutions” we gun owners have already done that. I can’t think of a single other right that requires a background check to use, can you? Could you imagine the outrage if every time someone wanted to protest they had to submit to a background check? The funny thing is that more people have died from the spoken word then from outright gun violence.
Doubt that? You go and tell me how simply having firearms led to the Holocaust or the Rawanda Genocides. Crap like that always starts first as rhetoric. You want to end gun violence? End the freedom of speech.
Somehow, I don’t see a lot of people getting behind that one.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 16:05
USA number one!
nynetguy October 10th, 2014 at 15:49
Actually, wrong. Just because something is posted on social media doesn’t vacate the photograph owners rights. Depending on the social network the right belongs either to the person who uploaded the image or to the site itself.
What you are missing, and hilariously so, is that copyright law allows for images to be used for a limited number of functions without having to get approval from the rights holder. One of those uses is news.
Unholy Bacon October 10th, 2014 at 11:53
Public space means you don’t need consent to take someone’s picture or use it, save for profit. Sorry, but if you’re so gung-ho about people’s rights, you should at least know them.
Melisa Bruner October 10th, 2014 at 11:57
actually it does matter because it also plays in the factor what the person’s intent was. That can also vary by state if you don’t believe me call attorney general’s office. obviously this group is out to expose people who want to exercise their constitutional rights. Simply because they do not agree with others who shares the same views as I do. I’m proud to be an American and I’m proud.but hey let them use my picture I’m proud to be an American and I am proud to exercise my constitutional rights.
tiredoftea October 10th, 2014 at 12:57
“…and I am proud to exercise my constitutional rights.” as told to me by the NRA and other gun zealots.
steveafrikaner October 10th, 2014 at 18:40
Gun lovers, actually…………..
Margaret Kaufman October 13th, 2014 at 18:19
Why are gun people always proud to be an American? Like the rest of the country is not? Your proud sounds like Fox and b
Anomaly 100 October 11th, 2014 at 05:06
Good try but read the last sentence in the post, which I specifically put there for the Open Carry crowd so they don’t DCMA me again (and that’s illegal, by the way)
“All images obtained on social media, thereby making them fair use.”
I exercised my First Amendment rights. (that’s the one just before the Second)
Hannah Allyse McGary October 10th, 2014 at 11:01
I do not feel threatened by people carrying 10 guns into a grocery. I just laugh at the notion.
“goin’ to the grocery. gotta get ma h n k, ma glock, ma springfield, ma derp a derp, and ma AR derp a derp. gonna defend the freedom of grocery shoppers! gonna save the day! gonna shop in the battlefield of kroger! 2ND AMMEANDMEANT!”
I mean. Really. I can’t take these people seriously. They don’t know what a hostile environment is, and they have delusions of grandeur, so. Put 2 and 2 together and you have a bunch of bored, pudgy white people, that obviously have too much money, playing mental Halo in a Kroger. We can’t take these people seriously. They just don’t know any better.
Guest October 10th, 2014 at 11:01
I do not feel threatened by people carrying 10 guns into a grocery. I just laugh at the notion.
“goin’ to the grocery. gotta get ma h n k, ma glock, ma springfield, ma derp a derp, and ma AR derp a derp. gonna defend the freedom of grocery shoppers! gonna save the day! gonna shop in the battlefield of kroger! 2ND AMMEANDMEANT!”
I mean. Really. I can’t take these people seriously. They don’t know what a hostile environment is, and they have delusions of grandeur, so. Put 2 and 2 together and you have a bunch of bored, pudgy white people, that obviously have too much money, playing mental Halo in a Kroger. We can’t take these people seriously. They just don’t know any better.
Hannah Allyse McGary October 10th, 2014 at 11:11
Look, guys. I know there’s a lot of fighting, but I just want to make something clear.
These people are here to defend us. If the celery were to hop out of its compartment and threaten to trip me, I got Bob Springfield over here with his .45 to just blow that son of a b*** away. If an unruly shopper were to start causing a scene over the 2 for 1 sale ending yesterday, well Bob’ll come along and pick one of his 10 knives and give her the glasgow smile. No manager necessary.
We NEED these people. We all know that US grocery stores are a safe haven for international terrorists, drug cartel leaders, and general psychos. We know that at any moment, a box of potato flakes could explode and potentially injure my family.
So, Bob Springfield, I salute your self-assumed, military-style service to this country. You keep that 1911 on your hip. There are cereal killers afoot.
GabeZ October 10th, 2014 at 11:55
Exactly! You never know when “Obummer” and his TYRANNY! will pop out from behind the hot pockets or when Sharia Law will slink out from under a 24 pack of Natural Light. The world is a very scary place with hidden dangers, crooks, turrists and even communist gays lurking in every shadow, waiting to take advantage of the poor old white man (the REAL minority in this country).
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 14:46
http://bgladd.com/OpenCarryHarry.jpg
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 09:11
Now that’s pretty damn good (and pretty damn accurate, t’boot).
Anomaly 100 October 11th, 2014 at 05:02
I’m laughing so hard it hurts!
Hannah Allyse McGary October 10th, 2014 at 11:11
Look, guys. I know there’s a lot of fighting, but I just want to make something clear.
These people are here to defend us. If the celery were to hop out of its compartment and threaten to trip me, I got Bob Springfield over here with his .45 to just blow that son of a b*** away. If an unruly shopper were to start causing a scene over the 2 for 1 sale ending yesterday, well Bob’ll come along and pick one of his 10 knives and give her the glasgow smile. No manager necessary.
We NEED these people. We all know that US grocery stores are a safe haven for international terrorists, drug cartel leaders, and general psychos. We know that at any moment, a box of potato flakes could explode and potentially injure my family.
So, Bob Springfield, I salute your self-assumed, military-style service to this country. You keep that 1911 on your hip. There are cereal killers afoot.
GabeZ October 10th, 2014 at 11:55
Exactly! You never know when “Obummer” and his TYRANNY! will pop out from behind the hot pockets or when Sharia Law will slink out from under a 24 pack of Natural Light. The world is a very scary place with hidden dangers, crooks, turrists and even communist gays lurking in every shadow, waiting to take advantage of the poor old white man (the REAL minority in this country).
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 14:46
http://bgladd.com/OpenCarryHarry.jpg
Click to enlarge.
Chuck Larlham October 11th, 2014 at 09:11
Now that’s pretty damn good (and pretty damn accurate, t’boot).
Anomaly 100 October 11th, 2014 at 05:02
I’m laughing so hard it hurts!
BoiseBoy October 10th, 2014 at 12:39
You know that old saying… “it’s as American as baseball, apple pie, and mass shootings.”
‘Merka!
Pat October 10th, 2014 at 12:39
You know that old saying… “it’s as American as baseball, apple pie, and mass shootings.”
‘Merka!
roy hoco October 10th, 2014 at 13:37
I love shopping at Kroger because I get to shoot out the lights and shoot up the produce section those melons make wonderful targets