Images: How NRA Supporters React To Moms’ Gun Sense Group Over Open Carry At Kroger
After the NRA posted the following image on their Facebook page of a Kroger manager in Ohio refusing to accept a petition from Moms Demand Action to end open carrying firearms in stores, Bearingarms.com asserted that it’s a ‘basic human right” to carry long guns in a store where families shop with their children.
Ironically and hypocritically, in another post, the site’s author states, “Open carry announces to the world that you are armed. That makes you a primary target in almost any conceivable situation.”
The following are NRA supporters who left messages on the Moms Demand Action Facebook page.
Kangaroo Kevin, an alleged human, writes that he supports Kroger and opposes gay marriage while suggesting that the gun sense group fucks trees and licks dogs.
Donald Donnie Foerch Jr, writes, “God bless Croger.” [sic]
Ricky Walker just wants people to “see” his guns. Ricky has two guns. He’s super-duper-tough and he totally does not look like a gangsta.
Eric supports Kroger. I can tell because he types that thought repeatedly.
Chris Bruster openly carries a firearm because of ‘evil’ people in our country, all of whom he obviously believes meet up at Kroger.
Bill is “rockin out” with his Glock, because clearly that’s why the Second Amendment was created.
People that defend the NRA by keeping their memberships intact, aren’t paying attention. The aforementioned people made their plans clear: They will openly carry guns into Kroger locations across the country with no regard for families who shop there with their children.
A favorite bit of rhetoric from Open Carry activists is that a gun is simply an inanimate object. While that’s true, the people with their hands on the trigger don’t look like ‘good guys with a gun.’
Are these the folks Kroger should be “trusting to be responsible with their guns in stores” as per their statement? You be the judge. As for me, I’ve been spending my delicious dollars elsewhere — until a gun policy is implemented.
Big thanks to my tipster whose anonymity shall be respected here.
All images obtained on social media, thereby making them fair use.
Copyright 2014 Liberaland
By: Anomaly100
fahvel October 9th, 2014 at 03:23
you have folks there that are out of their fkn minds – little mean people with no self regard, lacking a single iota of pride as an individual. Frightening, much more frightening than ebola!
fahvel October 9th, 2014 at 03:23
you have folks there that are out of their fkn minds – little mean people with no self regard, lacking a single iota of pride as an individual. Frightening, much more frightening than ebola!
hardoug October 9th, 2014 at 05:53
The issue is open carry, who wishes to do so or not is irrelevant what they look like is irrelevant what is relevant is the objection to open carry of a firearm, Kroger is a retailer nothing more they operate in many states their policy to follow local and state law would vary from state to state for instance California state law prohibits open carry thus Krogers policy in California is no open carry, Arizona state law says open carry is lawful conduct thus Krogers policy is it’s lawful in Arizona. My point here is Kroger is not the issue but the law itself. Moms Demand Action is targeting a innocent party, Kroger is merely following the law as I or you do, from a business perspective it would not be a smart decision to make any policy other than to stay neutral in this matter to continue to follow local and state law of the state they operate within, one of Krogers product line is in-fact firearms and ammunition brand names they carry are Winchester (both firearm&ammunition), Remington (both firearm&ammunition),Browning (firearms), Bushmaster (firearms) Kroger does not write the law they merely follow it as you or I do, Kroger is not the problem here the law is, if the law of open carry is of dislike the only logical course of action is to demand action from the lawmakers not the grocer.
hardoug October 9th, 2014 at 05:53
The issue is open carry, who wishes to do so or not is irrelevant what they look like is irrelevant what is relevant is the objection to open carry of a firearm, Kroger is a retailer nothing more they operate in many states their policy to follow local and state law would vary from state to state for instance California state law prohibits open carry thus Krogers policy in California is no open carry, Arizona state law says open carry is lawful conduct thus Krogers policy is it’s lawful in Arizona. My point here is Kroger is not the issue but the law itself. Moms Demand Action is targeting a innocent party, Kroger is merely following the law as I or you do, from a business perspective it would not be a smart decision to make any policy other than to stay neutral in this matter to continue to follow local and state law of the state they operate within, one of Krogers product line is in-fact firearms and ammunition brand names they carry are Winchester (both firearm&ammunition), Remington (both firearm&ammunition),Browning (firearms), Bushmaster (firearms) Kroger does not write the law they merely follow it as you or I do, Kroger is not the problem here the law is, if the law of open carry is of dislike the only logical course of action is to demand action from the lawmakers not the grocer.
rg9rts October 9th, 2014 at 07:57
Those wimps need guns to make up for their short comings….the one between their legs Did you take a good look at those clowns??? LOL
Miguel Gonzalez October 9th, 2014 at 12:17
Do you make it a point to stare at the crotches of men at Krogers? Or any other location for that matter.
rg9rts October 9th, 2014 at 12:23
Looks like YOU have more of a MACHO problem Miguel than I do..
Miguel Gonzalez October 9th, 2014 at 13:10
Was that a racial put-down? It was! Dayum! Look at that. What’s next? You gonna ask me to come do your yard work?
It never ceases to amaze me how really racist the Liberal Camp can be.
mea_mark October 9th, 2014 at 13:58
You are done here, goodbye.
reallyred October 9th, 2014 at 12:33
Naturally, it’s OK for men to stare at women’s boobs! Because, what? Boys will be boys?
Miguel Gonzalez October 9th, 2014 at 13:12
They are higher up?
reallyred October 9th, 2014 at 13:26
So? Because a crotch is “lower” than boobs, no one is allowed to stare?
RogueChocolate October 9th, 2014 at 12:50
Notice how most of them are fat and/or old.
rg9rts October 9th, 2014 at 14:49
Covered in tats too
Ima1492 October 9th, 2014 at 13:08
What about the WOMEN who carry?
rg9rts October 9th, 2014 at 14:48
They don’t have to show off their penis substitutes …do they?
rg9rts October 9th, 2014 at 07:57
Those wimps need guns to make up for their short comings….the one between their legs Did you take a good look at those clowns??? LOL
Miguel Gonzalez October 9th, 2014 at 12:17
Do you make it a point to stare at the crotches of men at Krogers? Or any other location for that matter.
rg9rts October 9th, 2014 at 12:23
Looks like YOU have more of a MACHO problem Miguel than I do..
mea_mark October 9th, 2014 at 13:58
You are done here, goodbye.
reallyred October 9th, 2014 at 12:33
Naturally, it’s OK for men to stare at women’s boobs! Because, what? Boys will be boys?
Miguel Gonzalez October 9th, 2014 at 13:12
They are higher up?
reallyred October 9th, 2014 at 13:26
So? Because a crotch is “lower” than boobs, no one is allowed to stare?
RogueChocolate October 9th, 2014 at 12:50
Notice how most of them are fat and/or old.
rg9rts October 9th, 2014 at 14:49
Covered in tats too
Ima1492 October 9th, 2014 at 13:08
What about the WOMEN who carry?
rg9rts October 9th, 2014 at 14:48
They don’t have to show off their penis substitutes …do they?
GabeZ October 9th, 2014 at 12:00
Well done; it seems you almost entirely missed my point.
I don’t disagree at all that the Second Amendment is archaic. I’d say the Third Amendment is as well. I’m saying 2A is used as a prop to mask the underlying issue. I even spell it out in my last sentence.
There is no doubt there is a subset of gun owners who are responsible with their guns. There is also no doubt there is a subset of owners who are massively irresponsible with their guns. Is it split 50/50? 70/30? 30/70? I don’t know. It seems like for every one story about a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy, there are 100 stories about suicide, accidental death, accidental discharge, intimidation, guns left out in the open where kids can get them, etc. See “Responsible Gun Owner Of The Day” on FB for a daily collection of these stories. Certainly the yahoo-cowboy-Yosemite Sam culture of these people contributes to the issue and the point of my first paragraph was that often we see the responsible gun owners side with these yahoos rather than side with people who demand sensible gun control (which would be in the responsible gun owners best interests as well).
I spend much of my “internet comment time” arguing against the tired and ill thought out arguments such as “an armed society is a polite society”, “the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun” and “yeah, well automobile deaths outnumber gun deaths” and arguing for extensive background checks, licensing, registration, requiring insurance, training and examination, developing and funding better gun tracing practices, better funding and unshackling the hands of the CDC to research and report on gun violence, closing any online, trade show and private selling loopholes, working toward helping those with mental illness and psychological issues, working toward providing opportunities for better livelihood and economic stability for those less fortunate, investing in excellent education, empowering the ATF to track down when, where and how guns go from the factory (or from the shipyards) and into the wrong hands and demanding a culture of social responsibility from the gun manufacturers and owners. But I’m also rational enough to recognize that there are gun owners who rely on hunting to provide food for their families and people who live in the middle of nowhere to rely on guns for protection.
My whole point was that once you get past all of these arguments and points, the issue is the low-brow, somewhat unsophisticated culture of the type of people shown above and how they pose with their guns to make up for their insecurities. Now, after rereading what I originally wrote as well as reading this post, please tell me again how I’m as “mealy as the cruds who wave their dicks around in the store”.
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 14:33
Keep in mind there are some 80 million guns owners in the US. Let’s say there are 30,000 deaths a year caused by a firearm (suicide, unlawful homicide, accident, justified homicide) and call them all irresponsible. On any given day 1 person in a million does something irresponsible with a gun. Take out criminal use and that goes to about 1 in 2 million.
tomdog October 9th, 2014 at 12:19
All these statements about Kroger “following the local and state laws” are complete garbage. Kroger stores are private property and as an owner or lease-holder of private property, you are completely within your rights to prohibit firearms, open carry or conceal carry, at your place of business, regardless of state and local laws.
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 14:19
complete garbage? How is choosing to follow the law complete garbage?
The law allows anyone to follow it – yeah even you. Yes Kroger has a choice in what they do and they have chosen to follow the law and allow their customers to do the same. Just because they’ve chosen something that isn’t to your way of thinking do not make that choice ‘garbage’.
tomdog October 9th, 2014 at 14:34
I’m saying that the premise, presented here in these comments, that Kroger is following state law because they _have_ to – is complete garbage. But thanks for twisting my comment to suit your own needs.
tomdog October 9th, 2014 at 12:19
All these statements about Kroger “following the local and state laws” are complete garbage. Kroger stores are private property and as an owner or lease-holder of private property, you are completely within your rights to prohibit firearms, open carry or conceal carry, at your place of business, regardless of state and local laws.
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 14:19
complete garbage? How is choosing to follow the law complete garbage?
The law allows anyone to follow it – yeah even you. Yes Kroger has a choice in what they do and they have chosen to follow the law and allow their customers to do the same. Just because they’ve chosen something that isn’t to your way of thinking do not make that choice ‘garbage’.
tomdog October 9th, 2014 at 14:34
I’m saying that the premise, presented here in these comments, that Kroger is following state law because they _have_ to – is complete garbage. But thanks for twisting my comment to suit your own needs.
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 15:29
ahhh .. changing what you say you mean ….. “Kroger is following state law because they _have_ to” is different to your original comment I responded to. A bit of a chicken shit thing to do … but you did it so I’ll respond.
I still agree with you.
Hannah Allyse McGary October 9th, 2014 at 12:31
:) I love how these people see the world.
Walking into a produce aisle with a loaded .45 is the last refuge of a man with no feelings of personal significance, impact, meaning, or usefulness. Thus, to live in a delusion that evildoers are lurking amongst the broccoli, just waiting to strike as young children eye the organic grapefruits…
it’s kind of amazing. Except that it isn’t. Except that these people are usually government naysayers, yet literally buy into the exact paranoia of terror that the media propagates. Idiots. Sad, sad idiots.
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 14:15
You are so lucky Hannah that you know where and when you’ll become a victim, and have the ability to run away should you be caught out. Many people don’t have the privilege of knowing when they’ll raped or their homes invaded, or their car jacked in the parking lot. I doubt the broccoli is much of a threat to anyone, but the journey to and from the broccoli … well only you know.
I hope you are never in a position whereby you have to defend yourself against a purse snatcher or anyone assaulting you. I actually hope that of everyone. We ALL want to go home.
Hannah Allyse McGary October 9th, 2014 at 15:35
I actually do not live in a secure environment. I thank you for your assumptions.
I, also, do own a firearm. And you know where it stays? At home. Well, and the range.
However, most people I have seen and heard who carry inside groceries do it with no intention of defending anyone (especially the suburbanites carrying simply to exercise their privileges). It’s to make a statement, or to play into some unreality of feeling like they may at some point be needed in a life or death situation. Again, it’s completely delusional.
Most confrontations can be avoided nonlethally, and even here in Ohio you have to agree to try to avoid first when you get a CCW. Unfortunately, do to inadequate training, many people forget that cardinal rule and jump head first to life or death decisions.
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 16:02
I agree – most confrontations can be avoided nonlethally. I don’t think it’s only inadequate training that makes a person jump head first – it’s a cultural mindset that needs to change. I’m not into ‘making statements’, and my sidearm is the last resort defense between me and death. The important part is the ‘me’ part (well ‘and my family’) Everyone else is everyone else and they are on their own. If I see a fight between 2 people I’ve got no clue who is who and who started what. It’s none of my business and I’m staying out of it. Of course if I see someone about to be killed that’s different.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 12:31
Open carry doesn’t always work at deterring crime, case in point:
http://crooksandliars.com/2014/10/open-carry-enthusiast-robbed-his-gun
Ima1492 October 9th, 2014 at 13:07
A case in point? How about the cases where it DOES!
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 14:37
It doesn’t always work, it doesn’t always work, I am not willing to risk my life to find out which is which
Ima1492 October 9th, 2014 at 15:36
Nothing ALWAYS works except for being defenseless ALWAYS gets you in trouble.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 15:44
I don’t have a gun, yet I am not defenseless, care to explain that one? There are all kinds of ways to protect yourself, a gun is just one of those tools and there is no perfect way to do so unless you live in a sealed bunker under the ground………..and even then………..
I refuse to live in fear as apparently the gun nuts do, only someone that is afraid 24/7 would feel they need to carry a weapon 24/7
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 16:53
Sure – I can explain it. You choose not to have a gun and that’s fine for you. No-one is forcing you to buy one, carry one or use one. You have other means available and that’s good. You’ve decided what is acceptable to you and your situation. No one can tell you “ohh you’re wrong and that won’t work etc etc”.
You’re correct in that a gun is one of the tools available. Will it always solve a problem? – no of course not. That’s why we have options.
Do I live in fear – no. But it’s not because I am relying on a sidearm.
Ima1492 October 9th, 2014 at 17:08
Wow, there you go again calling people names instead of looking for the truth. Let’s face facts, your pea-sized mind is made up and no amount of FACTS will every change it. Sorry it sucks to be you.
OldLefty October 9th, 2014 at 17:28
Wow, there you go again calling people names instead of looking for the truth. Let’s face facts, your pea-sized mind
________
I’m sure it’s mutual.
mea_mark October 9th, 2014 at 17:35
Your projecting is about to get you banned. Troll away if you must, it is a free country. This is however a privately owned site and you can be banned because it is a free country and we are free to do that.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 20:43
I am talking about those that are seemingly not responsible at all, that seem to be in so much fear that they have to take their assault rifles wherever they go. They are nuts for guns, hence my term gun nut, would you rather me use the other coined phrase ammosexual?
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 20:46
And my rather intelligent brain, yes I do know my IQ, has an OPINION. And my opinion is, as long as I live in America, I refuse to live in fear, the fear that some groups are trying to spread to get their way. The NRA is prime. and I do research, I have even done a college research paper on the subject. Am I an expert? No, but I have researched enough that I can make an informed opinion. Where is your research?
Ima1492 October 13th, 2014 at 21:01
No, you are painting people with a broad brush with your insanity and irrational fear of people. You want to call them nuts when, in fact, YOU are the nut.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 21:10
Where do you get that I am afraid of people when I have said twice that I will not live in fear? Wow, you assume much. However, if you walk up to me with an assault rifle in hand, since I have no way to tell if you are the good guy or the bad guy, I will probably call 911, to be on the safe side. It is a fact that most all serial killers looked like normal people.
Ima1492 October 13th, 2014 at 22:01
You are wetting your panties right now even thinking of a gun.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 14th, 2014 at 22:56
My husband OWNS a gun, I don’t. It is in my closet with my clothes right now. The only thing I would use it for would be to whack someone in the head, not shoot him. I am not afraid of a gun, I just choose not to take human life for whatever reason……..
Ima1492 October 14th, 2014 at 23:42
You keep blabbering and blabbering. Methinks thou doest protest too much. Sorry you are so scared of them frightening things and people in general. Hope you enjoy hiding under your bed sucking your thumb.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 21:13
Ane the only people I am painting with a broad brush are the ones that feel a need to show off their toys. It really is unnecessary and especially around curious children. One man brought his to a family picnic, laid it on a table and a child picked it up, was playing with it and shot his grandfather. That is the kind of irresponsible gun nut I am talking about, the ones that only care about their own selfish behavior and not considerate at all of others. Not everyone loves guns, not everyone wants to be around them and NO amount of open carrying of long guns is going to change those citizen’s minds.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 15:46
WHen it is my time to go, it is my time, no amount of weaponry will change that
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 14:04
1 case …..
I suspect there is a lot more to that story than has been reported, but that’s beside the point.
Do you know how many people open carry every day? Do you know how many crimes are prevented by open carry? The first question I’ve got good estimates on, the second is impossible to say due to never knowing if an OC’er was passed by a criminal looking for an unarmed target. A crime was prevented, but the OC’er doesn’t know it.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 14:32
“yawn” I have heard you argument before from other people, I reject it. That was one post I had readily available. There is not always a trick to the story and there are many others. The gun lobby itself says that if you have a gun in the open, it increases your chances of being a target, so if you are stupid enough……………not to mention, how does anyone tell on site if you are a good guy with a gun? If you don’t have a badge, there is no way. I would call 911 if I saw you with a weapon in hand and I would run.
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 15:23
Rejecting my argument – ok … doesn’t worry me. Individual choice is one of the things that makes this country great.
I think you are confusing ‘open carrying’ with ‘brandishing’. The first is ok, the second I’d be calling the police as well.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 15:45
In most cases right now, they are one and the same, not everyone that Open Carries has common sense and safety smarts
Hannah Allyse McGary October 9th, 2014 at 12:31
:) I love how these people see the world.
Walking into a produce aisle with a loaded .45 is the last refuge of a man with no feelings of personal significance, impact, meaning, or usefulness. Thus, to live in a delusion that evildoers are lurking amongst the broccoli, just waiting to strike as young children eye the organic grapefruits…
it’s kind of amazing. Except that it isn’t. Except that these people are usually government naysayers, yet literally buy into the exact paranoia of terror that the media propagates. Idiots. Sad, sad idiots.
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 14:15
You are so lucky Hannah that you know where and when you’ll become a victim, and have the ability to run away should you be caught out. Many people don’t have the privilege of knowing when they’ll raped or their homes invaded, or their car jacked in the parking lot. I doubt the broccoli is much of a threat to anyone, but the journey to and from the broccoli … well only you know.
I hope you are never in a position whereby you have to defend yourself against a purse snatcher or anyone assaulting you. I actually hope that of everyone. We ALL want to go home.
Hannah Allyse McGary October 9th, 2014 at 15:35
I actually do not live in a secure environment. I thank you for your assumptions.
I, also, do own a firearm. And you know where it stays? At home. Well, and the range.
However, most people I have seen and heard who carry inside groceries do it with no intention of defending anyone (especially the suburbanites carrying simply to exercise their privileges). It’s to make a statement, or to play into some unreality of feeling like they may at some point be needed in a life or death situation. Again, it’s completely delusional.
Most confrontations can be avoided nonlethally, and even here in Ohio you have to agree to try to avoid first when you get a CCW. Unfortunately, due to inadequate training, many people forget that cardinal rule and jump head first to life or death decisions.
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 16:02
I agree – most confrontations can be avoided nonlethally. I don’t think it’s only inadequate training that makes a person jump head first – it’s a cultural mindset that needs to change. I’m not into ‘making statements’, and my sidearm is the last resort defense between me and death. The important part is the ‘me’ part (well ‘and my family’) Everyone else is everyone else and they are on their own. If I see a fight between 2 people I’ve got no clue who is who and who started what. It’s none of my business and I’m staying out of it. Of course if I see someone about to be killed that’s different.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 12:31
Open carry doesn’t always work at deterring crime, case in point:
http://crooksandliars.com/2014/10/open-carry-enthusiast-robbed-his-gun
Ima1492 October 9th, 2014 at 13:07
A case in point? How about the cases where it DOES!
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 14:37
It doesn’t always work, it doesn’t always work, I am not willing to risk my life to find out which is which
Ima1492 October 9th, 2014 at 15:36
Nothing ALWAYS works except for being defenseless ALWAYS gets you in trouble.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 15:44
I don’t have a gun, yet I am not defenseless, care to explain that one? There are all kinds of ways to protect yourself, a gun is just one of those tools and there is no perfect way to do so unless you live in a sealed bunker under the ground………..and even then………..
I refuse to live in fear as apparently the gun nuts do, only someone that is afraid 24/7 would feel they need to carry a weapon 24/7
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 16:53
Sure – I can explain it. You choose not to have a gun and that’s fine for you. No-one is forcing you to buy one, carry one or use one. You have other means available and that’s good. You’ve decided what is acceptable to you and your situation. No one can tell you “ohh you’re wrong and that won’t work etc etc”.
You’re correct in that a gun is one of the tools available. Will it always solve a problem? – no of course not. That’s why we have options.
Do I live in fear – no. But it’s not because I am relying on a sidearm.
Ima1492 October 9th, 2014 at 17:08
Wow, there you go again calling people names instead of looking for the truth. Let’s face facts, your pea-sized mind is made up and no amount of FACTS will every change it. Sorry it sucks to be you.
OldLefty October 9th, 2014 at 17:28
Wow, there you go again calling people names instead of looking for the truth. Let’s face facts, your pea-sized mind
________
I’m sure it’s mutual.
mea_mark October 9th, 2014 at 17:35
Your projecting is about to get you banned. Troll away if you must, it is a free country. This is however a privately owned site and you can be banned because it is a free country and we are free to do that.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 20:43
I am talking about those that are seemingly not responsible at all, that seem to be in so much fear that they have to take their assault rifles wherever they go. They are nuts for guns, hence my term gun nut, would you rather me use the other coined phrase ammosexual?
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 20:46
And my rather intelligent brain, yes I do know my IQ, has an OPINION. And my opinion is, as long as I live in America, I refuse to live in fear, the fear that some groups are trying to spread to get their way. The NRA is prime. and I do research, I have even done a college research paper on the subject. Am I an expert? No, but I have researched enough that I can make an informed opinion. Where is your research?
Ima1492 October 13th, 2014 at 21:01
No, you are painting people with a broad brush with your insanity and irrational fear of people. You want to call them nuts when, in fact, YOU are the nut.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 21:10
Where do you get that I am afraid of people when I have said twice that I will not live in fear? Wow, you assume much. However, if you walk up to me with an assault rifle in hand, since I have no way to tell if you are the good guy or the bad guy, I will probably call 911, to be on the safe side. It is a fact that most all serial killers looked like normal people.
Ima1492 October 13th, 2014 at 22:01
You are wetting your panties right now even thinking of a gun.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 14th, 2014 at 22:56
My husband OWNS a gun, I don’t. It is in my closet with my clothes right now. The only thing I would use it for would be to whack someone in the head, not shoot him. I am not afraid of a gun, I just choose not to take human life for whatever reason……..
Ima1492 October 14th, 2014 at 23:42
You keep blabbering and blabbering. Methinks thou doest protest too much. Sorry you are so scared of them frightening things and people in general. Hope you enjoy hiding under your bed sucking your thumb.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 21:13
Ane the only people I am painting with a broad brush are the ones that feel a need to show off their toys. It really is unnecessary and especially around curious children. One man brought his to a family picnic, laid it on a table and a child picked it up, was playing with it and shot his grandfather. That is the kind of irresponsible gun nut I am talking about, the ones that only care about their own selfish behavior and not considerate at all of others. Not everyone loves guns, not everyone wants to be around them and NO amount of open carrying of long guns is going to change those citizen’s minds.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 15:46
WHen it is my time to go, it is my time, no amount of weaponry will change that
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 14:04
1 case …..
I suspect there is a lot more to that story than has been reported, but that’s beside the point.
Do you know how many people open carry every day? Do you know how many crimes are prevented by open carry? The first question I’ve got good estimates on, the second is impossible to say due to never knowing if an OC’er was passed by a criminal looking for an unarmed target. A crime was prevented, but the OC’er doesn’t know it.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 14:32
“yawn” I have heard you argument before from other people, I reject it. That was one post I had readily available. There is not always a trick to the story and there are many others. The gun lobby itself says that if you have a gun in the open, it increases your chances of being a target, so if you are stupid enough……………not to mention, how does anyone tell on site if you are a good guy with a gun? If you don’t have a badge, there is no way. I would call 911 if I saw you with a weapon in hand and I would run.
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 15:23
Rejecting my argument – ok … doesn’t worry me. Individual choice is one of the things that makes this country great.
I think you are confusing ‘open carrying’ with ‘brandishing’. The first is ok, the second I’d be calling the police as well.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 15:45
In most cases right now, they are one and the same, not everyone that Open Carries has common sense and safety smarts
Steven Persamanos October 9th, 2014 at 12:54
Open
Ima1492 October 9th, 2014 at 13:06
Shame Steven doesn’t carry a brain.
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 13:57
“If an African American open carries, the police will shoot him on the spot!!”
What a truly arrogant thing to say.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 01:33
Happens to blacks with bb guns and toy guns.
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 02:18
that was 1 tragic event, with so many other factors in effect. The statement that it will happen with every black person is arrogant, in my opinion.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 02:41
(Reuters) – A 13-year-old California boy carrying a replica of an assault rifle was shot and killed by sheriff’s deputies who apparently believed the gun was real, family members and authorities said.
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 08:53
This happened Oct. 2013
Brandishing – not open carrying
I place the responsibility with the parents. I think there’s also a lack of education in effect here.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 02:48
Posted on June 24, 2007 at 9:03:49 AM PDT by DCBryan1
Boy, 12, with toy gun shot, killed by police
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 08:56
From June 2007
Any chance on details?
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 02:51
A 14 year old boy in Battle Creek, Michigan is the latest victim of a gunshot inflicted by a police officer.
His crime? Carrying a toy gun that looked “like a large caliber handgun”.
Nick King was walking up the street on Saturday afternoon when an observer called 911 to report “a man with a gun outside a convenience store.”
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 08:57
This happened Nov. 2013
Brandishing – not open carrying
I place the responsibility with the parents. I think there’s also a lack of education in effect here.
Possible ‘swatting’?
BIGPoJo October 10th, 2014 at 10:10
So you mean that even cops shouldn’t carry guns because they seem trigger happy? Or is it that no one should carry toy guns? What is your argument?
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 11:23
Police should not shoot children with toy guns.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 02:53
Thursday, Sep 1, 2011 • Updated at 4:58 PM EDT
A rifle carried by a man shot and killed by North Miami Beach police Wednesday afternoon was determined to be a toy, NMBPD spokesman Sgt. Warren Hardison said.
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 08:58
Sept. 2001
Brandishing – not open carrying
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 02:57
Photo: A 13-year-old boy playing cops-and-robbers with a toy gun was shot and wounded last night by a housing police officer at the Gowanus Houses in Brooklyn. Officers and neighbors stood outside the apartment building at 423 Baltic Avenue where Nicholas Heyward was shot in the stomach. (Steve Berman for The New York Times)
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 09:00
Sept. 1994
Kids being kids?
Hot head housing police officer?
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 03:05
Why “open carry” groups don’t get police brutality
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/01/gun_nuts_tragic_confusion_why_open_carry_groups_misunderstand_police_brutality/
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 09:50
There’s open carry and there’s brandishing. A holstered sidearm or rifle slung over your back, barrel down is not brandishing.
Banned_From_Breitbart October 10th, 2014 at 18:28
…and even ordering a sandwich on dark rye can turn out badly.
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 14:06
“It’s the new cash cow for the Ultra-Rich 1%!!”
umm …. wow ….
Steven Persamanos October 9th, 2014 at 12:54
Open carry is an inane law designed to degrade society!! If an African American open carries, the police will shoot him on the spot!! If anybody else open carries everything is fine until they starts aiming and shooting then no innocent person stands a chance!! Also since it is so easy to purchase and open carry these weapons, who’s going to stop a terrorist from doing the same?That’s exactly the point!! These laws are there to perpetuate fear, paranoia, anger and violence! It’s the new cash cow for the Ultra-Rich 1%!!
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 13:57
“If an African American open carries, the police will shoot him on the spot!!”
What a truly arrogant thing to say.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 01:33
Happens to blacks with bb guns and toy guns.
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 02:18
that was 1 tragic event, with so many other factors in effect. The statement that it will happen with every black person is arrogant, in my opinion.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 02:41
(Reuters) – A 13-year-old California boy carrying a replica of an assault rifle was shot and killed by sheriff’s deputies who apparently believed the gun was real, family members and authorities said.
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 08:53
This happened Oct. 2013
Brandishing – not open carrying
I place the responsibility with the parents. I think there’s also a lack of education in effect here.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 02:48
Posted on June 24, 2007 at 9:03:49 AM PDT by DCBryan1
Boy, 12, with toy gun shot, killed by police
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 08:56
From June 2007
Any chance on details?
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 02:51
A 14 year old boy in Battle Creek, Michigan is the latest victim of a gunshot inflicted by a police officer.
His crime? Carrying a toy gun that looked “like a large caliber handgun”.
Nick King was walking up the street on Saturday afternoon when an observer called 911 to report “a man with a gun outside a convenience store.”
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 08:57
This happened Nov. 2013
Brandishing – not open carrying
I place the responsibility with the parents. I think there’s also a lack of education in effect here.
Possible ‘swatting’?
BIGPoJo October 10th, 2014 at 10:10
So you mean that even cops shouldn’t carry guns because they seem trigger happy? Or is it that no one should carry toy guns? What is your argument?
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 11:23
Police should not shoot children with toy guns.
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 02:53
Thursday, Sep 1, 2011 • Updated at 4:58 PM EDT
A rifle carried by a man shot and killed by North Miami Beach police Wednesday afternoon was determined to be a toy, NMBPD spokesman Sgt. Warren Hardison said.
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 08:58
Sept. 2001
Brandishing – not open carrying
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 02:57
Photo: A 13-year-old boy playing cops-and-robbers with a toy gun was shot and wounded last night by a housing police officer at the Gowanus Houses in Brooklyn. Officers and neighbors stood outside the apartment building at 423 Baltic Avenue where Nicholas Heyward was shot in the stomach. (Steve Berman for The New York Times)
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 09:00
Sept. 1994
Kids being kids?
Hot head housing police officer?
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 03:05
Why “open carry” groups don’t get police brutality
http://www.salon.com/2014/10/01/gun_nuts_tragic_confusion_why_open_carry_groups_misunderstand_police_brutality/
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 09:50
There’s open carry and there’s brandishing. A holstered sidearm or rifle slung over your back, barrel down is not brandishing.
Banned_From_RawStory October 10th, 2014 at 18:28
…and even ordering a sandwich on dark rye can turn out badly.
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 14:06
“It’s the new cash cow for the Ultra-Rich 1%!!”
umm …. wow ….
Pro-ChoiceTexan October 9th, 2014 at 12:58
Kroger has the option to allow or disallow the open carrry of weapons on their property. They choose to allow these gun fondlers to prance around waving their loaded assault-type weapons in their stores. I, too, have a choice. I spend my grocery dollars elsewhere.
Ima1492 October 9th, 2014 at 13:06
Wow, someone needs a brain.
Anomaly 100 October 9th, 2014 at 13:06
I’m glad you have identified your problem. That’s the first step.
Ima1492 October 9th, 2014 at 13:19
Yes, my problem is you don’t have a brain.
Anomaly 100 October 9th, 2014 at 13:30
Ima1492 October 9th, 2014 at 13:41
LOL AT you.
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 13:53
Do you really think those who open carry are gun fondlers who prance around waving their loaded assault-type weapons in stores? Is there a chance your imagination is getting a little ahead of your keyboard? I suspect that if what you think was indeed true there would be a chance that those doing it would be arrested for, at least, brandishing and they’d be news reports of said events. I don’t know, maybe I’m just missing them. Any reports you can point me to? If you think the above photos are typical then only a little over half are actually shown carrying a firearm, of those 2 are inside private residences, 1 could be anywhere and 1 shows them in the armed services. None of those are in stores, and none are ‘assault’ rifles. Now, of course you don’t think those are typical, do you?
melvin splash October 9th, 2014 at 14:55
Thats right! You have a choice.. glad one of you libs figured that out. Now if you progressive types could respect the rights of others to make theirs.
Pro-ChoiceTexan October 9th, 2014 at 12:58
Kroger has the option to allow or disallow the open carrry of weapons on their property. They choose to allow these gun fondlers to prance around waving their loaded assault-type weapons in their stores. I, too, have a choice. I spend my grocery dollars elsewhere.
Ima1492 October 9th, 2014 at 13:06
Wow, someone needs a brain.
Anomaly 100 October 9th, 2014 at 13:06
I’m glad you have identified your problem. That’s the first step.
Ima1492 October 9th, 2014 at 13:19
Yes, my problem is you don’t have a brain.
Anomaly 100 October 9th, 2014 at 13:30
Ima1492 October 9th, 2014 at 13:41
LOL AT you.
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 13:53
Do you really think those who open carry are gun fondlers who prance around waving their loaded assault-type weapons in stores? Is there a chance your imagination is getting a little ahead of your keyboard? I suspect that if what you think was indeed true there would be a chance that those doing it would be arrested for, at least, brandishing and they’d be news reports of said events. I don’t know, maybe I’m just missing them. Any reports you can point me to? If you think the above photos are typical then only a little over half are actually shown carrying a firearm, of those 2 are inside private residences, 1 could be anywhere and 1 shows them in the armed services. None of those are in stores, and none are ‘assault’ rifles. Now, of course you don’t think those are typical, do you?
melvin splash October 9th, 2014 at 14:55
Thats right! You have a choice.. glad one of you libs figured that out. Now if you progressive types could respect the rights of others to make theirs.
TrustNoGovt October 9th, 2014 at 13:22
Really, stupid people. Guns make them feel tough, which they need. I carry, but concealed. I don’t need to pull my d*ck out so people can see how big it is!
grendal113 October 9th, 2014 at 19:51
Hey Fudd, if you dont straighten up it will be the assault weapons ban all over again.hunters said “I don’t need semi-auto and large magazines” so now we have concealed carry holders that allowed their rights to be violated by paying for a right saying open carry is showing off.
Then I love the tactical advantage bs. You draw from deep cover against an open carry let’s see who’s faster. But but they will shoot you because you have your gun exposed. …what makes you think I only have one?
TrustNoGovt October 9th, 2014 at 13:22
Really, stupid people. Guns make them feel tough, which they need. I carry, but concealed. I don’t need to pull my d*ck out so people can see how big it is!
grendal113 October 9th, 2014 at 19:51
Hey Fudd, if you dont straighten up it will be the assault weapons ban all over again.hunters said “I don’t need semi-auto and large magazines” so now we have concealed carry holders that allowed their rights to be violated by paying for a right saying open carry is showing off.
Then I love the tactical advantage bs. You draw from deep cover against an open carry let’s see who’s faster. But but they will shoot you because you have your gun exposed. …what makes you think I only have one?
Clarence LeBlanc October 9th, 2014 at 13:23
300 000 Americans will be shot dead in the next 10 years. Every other western society watches the same movies and watches the same video games and have a fraction of the deaths…the only difference is gun laws. The math is simple: for example using the “what stops a bad person with a gun good person with gun theory” if we armed 2 million teachers would this stop a killer form going off on a rampage killing 10 students…maybe…lets even say yes. So those two million guns go to school everyday and everyday 2 million teachers have to make countless decisions each day regarding that gun along with the family members in that household. Those 2 million guns will easily cause 100 deaths due simply to human error and if you add in human malice…we would add many more. But yes…maybe the next high school killer might be stopped…or he might start by grabbing the teachers gun. More guns…more death. Simple math.
Jake October 9th, 2014 at 13:29
Since concealed carry laws have been passed gun violence is down. If you compare to a country like England, they have ALWAYS had a much lower murder rate that America, long before there was gun control in either country. Since they have basically banned guns, their gun crime rates, including murder rate have gone UP, while our continues to go down. Simple math.
steven_lockwood October 9th, 2014 at 13:40
and where do you get those “numbers” from?? I just love magic numbers pulled from thin air…
Jake October 9th, 2014 at 13:42
They aren’t hard to find, start with Google.
steven_lockwood October 9th, 2014 at 13:53
ummm, yeah.. so then the nra gun humper page directly… as opposed to a university study to link to..
Jake October 9th, 2014 at 14:01
I found these numbers in many places, if you are so inclined, go look for yourself, I’m just expressing my opinion, feel free to not believe me, disagree, whatever. Notice I didn’t quote the exact numbers, just the trends. I read them several months ago, I don’t have the time or desire to go find them again for you. If you are interested, feel free to find them yourself, I’m sure you can. And no, it wasn’t the NRA or other gun advocacy website. I have a master’s degree in engineering, I can tell when someone is trying to sell me a number.
meconiummm October 9th, 2014 at 15:44
Wow, quite the coward :) Are you holding your gun now?
Jake October 9th, 2014 at 15:51
Of course. Shooting in the air wildly next to an elementary school. Yippie ki-yay mother !@#$%er.
Brent Slensker October 9th, 2014 at 13:58
The idea that Britain has become some sort of crime cesspool is a BIG fabrication/lie.
Jake October 9th, 2014 at 14:04
I didn’t say that, but their crime rate has still gone up. It is still very low. Their murder rate is sub 1 per 100,000, I don’t have the number right in front of me. It used to even lower, something in the ballpark of 0.2 per 100,000.
Nicolai Matz October 9th, 2014 at 14:29
The Western European countries are all hovering between 0.4 and 1.2, with a few exceptions (Finland has a very lax gun law and has about 3 times the Murder Rate of the rest of the Scandinavian Countries).
It has been like that for decades.
And since drugs and crises in the western world is about the same, Western Europe experienced the muder spike during the crack epidemic of the 1990’s as well – and also a drop since then.
The problem is that the US. is more or less always having about 400% as high a Murder Rate as the Western European countries (who all have Gun Control)
Gun Control works – and that’s is why the NRA fears it !!
GabeZ October 9th, 2014 at 17:09
“Simple math” does not usually accurately describe complex issues. Correlation does not equal causation. The idea of more guns = less crime is largely attributed to the work of John Lott. However, since then there has been additional study to counter his findings. There isn’t enough data to suggest that there is a causal link. Check the work from John J. Donohue III and Ian Ayres.
tiredoftea October 9th, 2014 at 18:48
Nope, not true. Violence, of all types was declining long before the latest relaxing of gun laws.
melvin splash October 9th, 2014 at 14:48
Good…some folks need to die..mostly libs ..
Teddy Simon October 9th, 2014 at 14:57
Says the internet badass , or should I say IDIOT
mea_mark October 9th, 2014 at 15:45
If you want to be banned make another comment like this and you will be, your choice, because it is a free country of course.
meconiummm October 9th, 2014 at 15:43
“the only difference is gun laws” well that’s one difference. Notice how many think they are doing gods will.