Images: How NRA Supporters React To Moms’ Gun Sense Group Over Open Carry At Kroger
After the NRA posted the following image on their Facebook page of a Kroger manager in Ohio refusing to accept a petition from Moms Demand Action to end open carrying firearms in stores, Bearingarms.com asserted that it’s a ‘basic human right” to carry long guns in a store where families shop with their children.
Ironically and hypocritically, in another post, the site’s author states, “Open carry announces to the world that you are armed. That makes you a primary target in almost any conceivable situation.”
The following are NRA supporters who left messages on the Moms Demand Action Facebook page.
Kangaroo Kevin, an alleged human, writes that he supports Kroger and opposes gay marriage while suggesting that the gun sense group fucks trees and licks dogs.
Donald Donnie Foerch Jr, writes, “God bless Croger.” [sic]
Ricky Walker just wants people to “see” his guns. Ricky has two guns. He’s super-duper-tough and he totally does not look like a gangsta.
Eric supports Kroger. I can tell because he types that thought repeatedly.
Chris Bruster openly carries a firearm because of ‘evil’ people in our country, all of whom he obviously believes meet up at Kroger.
Bill is “rockin out” with his Glock, because clearly that’s why the Second Amendment was created.
People that defend the NRA by keeping their memberships intact, aren’t paying attention. The aforementioned people made their plans clear: They will openly carry guns into Kroger locations across the country with no regard for families who shop there with their children.
A favorite bit of rhetoric from Open Carry activists is that a gun is simply an inanimate object. While that’s true, the people with their hands on the trigger don’t look like ‘good guys with a gun.’
Are these the folks Kroger should be “trusting to be responsible with their guns in stores” as per their statement? You be the judge. As for me, I’ve been spending my delicious dollars elsewhere — until a gun policy is implemented.
Big thanks to my tipster whose anonymity shall be respected here.
All images obtained on social media, thereby making them fair use.
Copyright 2014 Liberaland
By: Anomaly100
eddie1247 October 8th, 2014 at 18:00
Gee I’m wondering why only one of these guys is actually with a woman, the guy with his child looks a bit constipated and the guy in the second photo can’t even spell the name of the store he’s praising.
eddie1247 October 8th, 2014 at 18:00
Gee I’m wondering why only one of these guys is actually with a woman, the guy with his child looks a bit constipated and the guy in the second photo can’t even spell the name of the store he’s praising.
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 18:13
With complete certainty I can assure you the legislative office building is not masquerading itself as Kroger. Kroger did not suggest the law nor vote on the law and most certainly did not sign anything into law and yet for some individuals logic/rational reasoning demand Kroger to be held responsible/accountable for a law? Holding a entity accountable for a law merely for complying with a law is utter nonsense,ridiculous,ludicrous behavior. This is the ability to comprehend the definition of what compliance with the law is? This is logic? This is rational behavior? Kroger has made their position very clear with more than one public statement which is to continue to follow their existing policy which has been in place for decades, to follow local and state law, apparently (for some) logic requires Kroger to be victimized for following the law, this is rational behavior? This is logical reasoning? The continuing insistence of demanding action from the butcher because the produce is not up to your liking is illogical/irrational behavior and reflects poorly of oneself and their cause.The use of true common sense dictates demanding action from your lawmaker and not your grocer. Kroger is not a political platform they are your grocer, Groceries not Politics! Kroger is and has always been the innocent victim here.
Tommy6860 October 8th, 2014 at 18:35
Oh please! Why does someone seriously need to open carry in a grocery store. If these idiots are so intent on protecting (whatever) freedoms they think are being violated, then they should take up arms against ISIS instead of roaming grocery stores, city parks and shopping malls exercising their right to scare people in the guise of protecting them. Note the hate these bigots exude within their online profiles. This meme fits these idiots to a “T”.
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 19:13
The issue is open carry, who wishes to do so or not is irrelevant what they look like is irrelevant what is relevant is the objection to open carry of a firearm, Kroger is a retailer nothing more they operate in many states their policy to follow local and state law would vary from state to state for instance California state law prohibits open carry thus Krogers policy in California is no open carry, Arizona state law says open carry is lawful conduct thus Krogers policy is it’s lawful in Arizona. My point here is Kroger is not the issue but the law itself. Moms Demand Action is targeting a innocent party, Kroger is merely following the law as I or you do, in conclusion if the law is the issue then demand action action from the lawmakers not the grocer.
viva_democracy October 8th, 2014 at 19:39
Moms Demand Action are exercising their right to free speech. Kroger can follow the laws, sure, but they could also change their minds & institute a business policy different from the law, just as other businesses have done. Using free speech to boycott or put pressure on Kroger is their right.
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 19:54
Viva you are correct however Kroger has made 3 very clear public statements within the past 60 days the statements plainly state Kroger will continue to follow their existing policy which has been in place for decades to continue to follow local and state law in the states they operate within. One of reason would state Krogers stance is firm and from the observer any continued pressure would be considered bullying.
Anomaly 100 October 8th, 2014 at 20:17
“any continued pressure would be considered bullying”
Bullshit. A petition is not bullying.
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 20:27
Anomaly I would disagree the petition was presented to Kroger after the 2nd public statement from Kroger, then Kroger announced a third statement which mirrored the first two and pressure continues on a innocent party, yes from the observer it would be considered bullying.
Anomaly 100 October 9th, 2014 at 14:08
“yes from the observer it would be considered bullying.”
You feel intimidated by a petition but not a gun. Interesting.
hardoug October 9th, 2014 at 16:51
No intimidation just re-stating my point with occurred events
tiredoftea October 8th, 2014 at 20:44
And, we had a settled 2nd Amendment for close to 200 years until a loud, obnoxious and vehement lobbying group, the NRA, single handedly changed the common understanding of that amendment. We are assaulted by christians and Mormons all lobbying to change to their beliefs and whatever else they are advocating. By your definition, all of that is bullying also.
One group is lobbying to change retailers policies concerning the dangerous and frightening acts of a few ridiculous individuals, who, BTW, have no reason to carry their rifles into stores. Kroger, and other retailers, will change their policies to reflect what is best for their business. I’m betting they will change as the numbers are with the Mom’s, and Kroger will figure that out.
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 20:51
I would disagree, Kroger is a retailer a business, Kroger is the 2nd largest retailer in the nation one of Krogers product line’s is firearms and ammunition, from a business perspective it would NOT be a smart business decision to be anything other than neutral on this issue, the only logical decision would be to continue to follow the laws in the state they operate in.
Kingminnie October 9th, 2014 at 00:59
Kroger is based in my state, OH. Kroger does NOT carry firearms or ammunition in any of the stores in my locality, nor in any surrounding area locations. Hallmark cards? Yes. Firearms? No and no. I’ve been shopping there most of my life and I’m old. Nothing remotely connected to guns, ever. Perhaps you would care to provide a link to your source for that information?
hardoug October 9th, 2014 at 05:34
Kroger owned locations are many I believe Fred Meijers is one of the locations that sell firearms and ammunition Brand names they carry are Winchester (both firearm&ammunition), Remington (both firearm&ammunition),Browning (firearms), Bushmaster (firearms primarily AR-15 semi-automatic rifle) this weeks add shows no firearms on sale however Bows are and ammunition.
http://meijer.shoplocal.com/Meijer/Entry/LandingContent?storeid=2465812&sneakpeek=N&listingid=0
Tango Down October 9th, 2014 at 02:05
You are correct and whether you like it or not, your point helps to back up and reinforce the very Constitutional Amendment that you all so strong hate, which says so very much about you folks and just makes a strong statement of how sad and un-American most of these commenters are. If not for the Second Amendment, what do you think would keep the First Amendment secure? What would keep any of the other Amendments secure? Without the Second Amendment there is nothing that prevents the Constitution from being tossed out by the likes of this current administration.
Yes, Kroger could change their “policies” but you must understand this as well. policies of this type only are in relation to the employees, not the customers. What I mean is that in most states now, anti-gun signs and policies can be posted if so desired but likewise, they can be equally ignored as well as they do not hold weight of law and ignoring them is not illegal.
If a police officer walks into a store, no one thinks that much about it and t=for the most part I again but the little known fact that has been fleshed out by the FBI Criminal Statistics proves that police officers are far more likely to kill an innocent person (by stander) in a gun related situation than are law-abiding gun owners. Also, the fact that law-abiding gun owners stop more crimes in progress than do police officers. Also, if you still think that gun owners are a problem and have no need to carry sidearms, I don’t know where you folks got the idea of long guns from, then you need to google how many people (innocent) are killed by “bad guys with guns” in McDonald’s for instance. Bad Guy do not follow the laws of the land, that’s wy they’re called bad guys and they come and go just like everyone else.
Good guys with guns aren’t the problem, it’s Gun Free Zones (GFZ) that prevent good guys from stopping bad guys.
Jim Floyd October 8th, 2014 at 19:46
Does the law state that a business owner must allow people to carry firearms in their place of business?
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 19:51
You are correct Jim for the most part the answer would be no however in a few states the law says they do, Kroger however has made 3 very clear public statements within the past 60 days the statements plainly state Kroger will continue to follow their existing policy which has been in place for decades to continue to follow local and state law in the states they operate within.
Anomaly 100 October 8th, 2014 at 20:16
“Kroger will continue to follow their existing policy..”
Thanks for the confirmation. As an American, I choose to no longer spend my money there until that is changed, since one side has decided to parade around their stores with long guns.
I have the right to feel safe while shopping.
Kingminnie October 9th, 2014 at 00:39
Just what I was going to say. Quoting a law that allows open carry does not state that open carry is mandatory.
Tango Down October 9th, 2014 at 01:48
As far as I’m aware, it doesn’t mandate it though many law-abiding businesses to follow the laws of the states in which they operate. Like Wal-Mart for instance, they follow the laws of the states in which they operate. Likewise, Kroger is following the laws of the states in which they operate.
People tend to think, for some odd reason, that a store’s policies dictate legal law, they do not! In my home state, policies generally only pertain to the employees, not customers.
while my place of business has an anti-weapon policy, it is merely relating to the employees, not the customers and as such while it is a condition of employment, once I am off the clock and in normal clothes, I can carry into the same place of business and there’s really nothing that can be said as I no longer under their policy and I am fully within my legal rights to carry. My manager’s at first were strictly negative about this fact and tried to fight me on it only to realize, learn and come to terms with the state law. Now, after 4 years, I have introduced all my managers to Open Carry and Concealed Carry. Those that don’t OC, now CC and it’s become an accepted issue.
As for these foolish looking folks that have been picked as “poster children” for the benefit of this liberal ilk, anyone can find the worst in ANYTHING. Don’t go patting yourselves on the back just yet.
fahvel October 9th, 2014 at 03:37
hey there, you and the hardoug should date each other and dine of frozen food from the store after you shoot it dead.
tiredoftea October 8th, 2014 at 20:37
That Kroger, or any other retail business complies with the law is not the issue. Their policy can be changed, and should be changed, for the convenience, comfort and safety of their customers. A significant number of their customers are telling them to not permit openly carried rifles in their stores. They can choose to ignore that, or change it, as a matter of corporate policy.
The rest of your nearly unreadable screed is irrelevant.
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 20:47
My intention is to merely inform and not to offend, Kroger is a retailer a business, Kroger is the 2nd largest retailer in the nation one of Krogers product line’s is firearms and ammunition, from a business perspective it would NOT be a smart business decision to be anything other than neutral on this issue, the only logical decision would be to continue to follow the laws in the state they operate in.
fahvel October 9th, 2014 at 03:35
ah ha, I get it, you are a shelf stacker at the store and get min wage and no benefits and just love their policy
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 12:26
Where in God’s name does Kroger sell firearms? Not anywhere in my area, I assure you, or anything related to firearms. Can you show me some proof of that?
hardoug October 9th, 2014 at 13:42
My intentions were never to offend anyone all I was hoping for was a civil exchange of thoughts and knowledge, here is the information you asked for. Kroger company owned stores and locations are many. Fred Meijers is one of the locations that sell firearms and ammunition there may be others. A few of the brand names they carry are Winchester (both firearm&ammunition), Remington (both firearm&ammunition),Browning (firearms), Bushmaster (firearms primarily AR-15 semi-automatic rifle)
This weeks add shows no firearms on sale however Bows and ammunition are on sale.
http://meijer.shoplocal.com/Me…
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 14:36
I believe you have the wrong Fred Meijer, Kroger merged with Fred MEYER, which is not the same company. Meijer is its own entity. Look it up
hardoug October 9th, 2014 at 20:11
Yes, you are correct it is in fact Fred Meyer, Fred Meyer is the portion of Kroger that sells firearms.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 20:39
Apparently not all of them do yet and they had to beef up their firearm security after some guy used a hammer to break the display case and stole 22 of them. I also read comments that they were way high on their gun prices.
fahvel October 9th, 2014 at 03:33
go to school, take a course in logic and then re read what you write. There is no logic in your mind as per your blather
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 18:13
With complete certainty I can assure you the legislative office building is not masquerading itself as Kroger. Kroger did not suggest the law nor vote on the law and most certainly did not sign anything into law and yet for some individuals logic/rational reasoning demand Kroger to be held responsible/accountable for a law? Holding a entity accountable for a law merely for complying with a law is utter nonsense,ridiculous,ludicrous behavior. This is the ability to comprehend the definition of what compliance with the law is? This is logic? This is rational behavior? Kroger has made their position very clear with more than one public statement which is to continue to follow their existing policy which has been in place for decades, to follow local and state law, apparently (for some) logic requires Kroger to be victimized for following the law, this is rational behavior? This is logical reasoning? The continuing insistence of demanding action from the butcher because the produce is not up to your liking is illogical/irrational behavior and reflects poorly of oneself and their cause.The use of true common sense dictates demanding action from your lawmaker and not your grocer. Kroger is not a political platform they are your grocer, Groceries not Politics! Kroger is and has always been the innocent victim here.
Tommy6860 October 8th, 2014 at 18:35
Oh please! Why does someone seriously need to open carry in a grocery store? If these idiots are so intent on protecting (whatever) freedoms they think are being violated, then they should take up arms against ISIS instead of roaming grocery stores, city parks and shopping malls exercising their right to scare people in the guise of protecting them. Note the hate these bigots exude within their online profiles. This meme fits these idiots to a “T”.
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 19:13
The issue is open carry, who wishes to do so or not is irrelevant what they look like is irrelevant what is relevant is the objection to open carry of a firearm, Kroger is a retailer nothing more they operate in many states their policy to follow local and state law would vary from state to state for instance California state law prohibits open carry thus Krogers policy in California is no open carry, Arizona state law says open carry is lawful conduct thus Krogers policy is it’s lawful in Arizona. My point here is Kroger is not the issue but the law itself. Moms Demand Action is targeting a innocent party, Kroger is merely following the law as I or you do, in conclusion if the law is the issue then demand action from the lawmakers not the grocer.
runner_runner October 8th, 2014 at 19:39
Moms Demand Action are exercising their right to free speech. Kroger can follow the laws, sure, but they could also change their minds & institute a business policy different from the law, just as other businesses have done. Using free speech to boycott or put pressure on Kroger is their right.
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 19:54
Viva you are correct however Kroger has made 3 very clear public statements within the past 60 days the statements plainly state Kroger will continue to follow their existing policy which has been in place for decades to continue to follow local and state law in the states they operate within. One of reason would state Krogers stance is firm and from the observer any continued pressure would be considered bullying. Kroger also has a product line of firearms and ammunition so implementing any policy besides staying neutral is not a smart business decision.
Anomaly 100 October 8th, 2014 at 20:17
“any continued pressure would be considered bullying”
Bullshit. A petition is not bullying.
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 20:27
Anomaly I would disagree the petition was presented to Kroger after the 2nd public statement from Kroger, then Kroger announced a third statement which mirrored the first two and pressure continues on a innocent party, yes from the observer it would be considered bullying.
Anomaly 100 October 9th, 2014 at 14:08
“yes from the observer it would be considered bullying.”
You feel intimidated by a petition but not a gun. Interesting.
hardoug October 9th, 2014 at 16:51
No intimidation just re-stating my point with occurred events
tiredoftea October 8th, 2014 at 20:44
And, we had a settled 2nd Amendment for close to 200 years until a loud, obnoxious and vehement lobbying group, the NRA, single handedly changed the common understanding of that amendment. We are assaulted by christians and Mormons all lobbying to change to their beliefs and whatever else they are advocating. By your definition, all of that is bullying also.
One group is lobbying to change retailers policies concerning the dangerous and frightening acts of a few ridiculous individuals, who, BTW, have no reason to carry their rifles into stores. Kroger, and other retailers, will change their policies to reflect what is best for their business. I’m betting they will change as the numbers are with the Mom’s, and Kroger will figure that out.
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 20:51
I would disagree, Kroger is a retailer a business, Kroger is the 2nd largest retailer in the nation one of Krogers product line’s is firearms and ammunition, from a business perspective it would NOT be a smart business decision to be anything other than neutral on this issue, the only logical decision would be to continue to follow the laws in the state they operate in.
Kingminnie October 9th, 2014 at 00:59
Kroger is based in my state, OH. Kroger does NOT carry firearms or ammunition in any of the stores in my locality, nor in any surrounding area locations. Hallmark cards? Yes. Firearms? No and no. I’ve been shopping there most of my life and I’m old. Nothing remotely connected to guns, ever. Perhaps you would care to provide a link to your source for that information?
hardoug October 9th, 2014 at 05:34
Kroger owned locations are many I believe Fred Meijers is one of the locations that sell firearms and ammunition Brand names they carry are Winchester (both firearm&ammunition), Remington (both firearm&ammunition),Browning (firearms), Bushmaster (firearms primarily AR-15 semi-automatic rifle) this weeks add shows no firearms on sale however Bows are and ammunition.
http://meijer.shoplocal.com/Meijer/Entry/LandingContent?storeid=2465812&sneakpeek=N&listingid=0
Tango Down October 9th, 2014 at 02:05
You are correct and whether you like it or not, your point helps to back up and reinforce the very Constitutional Amendment that you all so strong hate, which says so very much about you folks and just makes a strong statement of how sad and un-American most of these commenters are. If not for the Second Amendment, what do you think would keep the First Amendment secure? What would keep any of the other Amendments secure? Without the Second Amendment there is nothing that prevents the Constitution from being tossed out by the likes of this current administration.
Yes, Kroger could change their “policies” but you must understand this as well. policies of this type only are in relation to the employees, not the customers. What I mean is that in most states now, anti-gun signs and policies can be posted if so desired but likewise, they can be equally ignored as well as they do not hold weight of law and ignoring them is not illegal.
If a police officer walks into a store, no one thinks that much about it and t=for the most part I again but the little known fact that has been fleshed out by the FBI Criminal Statistics proves that police officers are far more likely to kill an innocent person (by stander) in a gun related situation than are law-abiding gun owners. Also, the fact that law-abiding gun owners stop more crimes in progress than do police officers. Also, if you still think that gun owners are a problem and have no need to carry sidearms, I don’t know where you folks got the idea of long guns from, then you need to google how many people (innocent) are killed by “bad guys with guns” in McDonald’s for instance. Bad Guy do not follow the laws of the land, that’s wy they’re called bad guys and they come and go just like everyone else.
Good guys with guns aren’t the problem, it’s Gun Free Zones (GFZ) that prevent good guys from stopping bad guys.
Jim Floyd October 8th, 2014 at 19:46
Does the law state that a business owner must allow people to carry firearms in their place of business?
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 19:51
You are correct Jim for the most part the answer would be no however in a few states the law says they do, Kroger however has made 3 very clear public statements within the past 60 days the statements plainly state Kroger will continue to follow their existing policy which has been in place for decades to continue to follow local and state law in the states they operate within.
Anomaly 100 October 8th, 2014 at 20:16
“Kroger will continue to follow their existing policy..”
Thanks for the confirmation. As an American, I choose to no longer spend my money there until that is changed, since one side has decided to parade around their stores with long guns.
I have the right to feel safe while shopping.
Kingminnie October 9th, 2014 at 00:39
Just what I was going to say. Quoting a law that allows open carry does not state that open carry is mandatory.
Tango Down October 9th, 2014 at 01:48
As far as I’m aware, it doesn’t mandate it though many law-abiding businesses to follow the laws of the states in which they operate. Like Wal-Mart for instance, they follow the laws of the states in which they operate. Likewise, Kroger is following the laws of the states in which they operate.
People tend to think, for some odd reason, that a store’s policies dictate legal law, they do not! In my home state, policies generally only pertain to the employees, not customers.
while my place of business has an anti-weapon policy, it is merely relating to the employees, not the customers and as such while it is a condition of employment, once I am off the clock and in normal clothes, I can carry into the same place of business and there’s really nothing that can be said as I no longer under their policy and I am fully within my legal rights to carry. My manager’s at first were strictly negative about this fact and tried to fight me on it only to realize, learn and come to terms with the state law. Now, after 4 years, I have introduced all my managers to Open Carry and Concealed Carry. Those that don’t OC, now CC and it’s become an accepted issue.
As for these foolish looking folks that have been picked as “poster children” for the benefit of this liberal ilk, anyone can find the worst in ANYTHING. Don’t go patting yourselves on the back just yet.
fahvel October 9th, 2014 at 03:37
hey there, you and the hardoug should date each other and dine of frozen food from the store after you shoot it dead.
tiredoftea October 8th, 2014 at 20:37
That Kroger, or any other retail business complies with the law is not the issue. Their policy can be changed, and should be changed, for the convenience, comfort and safety of their customers. A significant number of their customers are telling them to not permit openly carried rifles in their stores. They can choose to ignore that, or change it, as a matter of corporate policy.
The rest of your nearly unreadable screed is irrelevant.
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 20:47
My intention is to merely inform and not to offend, Kroger is a retailer a business, Kroger is the 2nd largest retailer in the nation one of Krogers product line’s is firearms and ammunition, from a business perspective it would NOT be a smart business decision to be anything other than neutral on this issue, the only logical decision would be to continue to follow the laws in the state they operate in.
fahvel October 9th, 2014 at 03:35
ah ha, I get it, you are a shelf stacker at the store and get min wage and no benefits and just love their policy
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 12:26
Where in God’s name does Kroger sell firearms? Not anywhere in my area, I assure you, or anything related to firearms. Can you show me some proof of that?
hardoug October 9th, 2014 at 13:42
My intentions were never to offend anyone all I was hoping for was a civil exchange of thoughts and knowledge, here is the information you asked for. Kroger company owned stores and locations are many. Fred Meijers is one of the locations that sell firearms and ammunition there may be others. A few of the brand names they carry are Winchester (both firearm&ammunition), Remington (both firearm&ammunition),Browning (firearms), Bushmaster (firearms primarily AR-15 semi-automatic rifle)
This weeks add shows no firearms on sale however Bows and ammunition are on sale.
http://meijer.shoplocal.com/Me…
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 14:36
I believe you have the wrong Fred Meijer, Kroger merged with Fred MEYER, which is not the same company. Meijer is its own entity. Look it up
hardoug October 9th, 2014 at 20:11
Yes, you are correct it is in fact Fred Meyer, Fred Meyer is the portion of Kroger that sells firearms.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 20:39
Apparently not all of them do yet and they had to beef up their firearm security after some guy used a hammer to break the display case and stole 22 of them. I also read comments that they were way high on their gun prices.
fahvel October 9th, 2014 at 03:33
go to school, take a course in logic and then re read what you write. There is no logic in your mind as per your blather
Jim Floyd October 8th, 2014 at 19:42
My response is just to not shop in a Kroger store, I believe an accidental or planned shooting is inevitable with people carrying firearms while shopping in a grocery store.
What a stupid idea!
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 14:48
The current Kroger policy has been in effect for the last 132 odd years. Seems to be working so far.
Jim Floyd October 8th, 2014 at 19:42
My response is just to not shop in a Kroger store, I believe an accidental or planned shooting is inevitable with people carrying firearms while shopping in a grocery store.
What a stupid idea!
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 14:48
The current Kroger policy has been in effect for the last 132 odd years. Seems to be working so far.
searambler October 8th, 2014 at 19:43
If I’m ever in a store or restaurant and someone walks in with a gun, I’m outta there. If I’m shopping, I’ll abandon my cart where it is and walk out. If I’m dining, I’ll stand up and leave without paying, regardless of where I am with the meal. If businesses allow open carry they won’t get my money. They have to make a choice: gunstrokers, or me. Because it won’t be both…..
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 20:15
My intention is to merely inform and not to offend, we all are surrounded by firearms everyday in the stores out dinning or for a leisure stroll we for the most part are unaware of it the vast majority of people who carry a firearm do so concealed.
searambler October 8th, 2014 at 20:33
I realize that. I can’t worry about concealed weapons that I can’t see. I’d never leave the house if I did. But if I see some loser carrying his iron penis around my local grocery store or while I’m having lunch somewhere, I can and will do something about it. I’ll inform an employee WHY I am leaving, then I’ll walk – not run- out the door.
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 22:01
I am very curious and somewhat bewildered from your comment and again I mean no offense, Knowing there are firearms about us at any time anywhere what is the difference? The thought of its ok if I can’t see it? The only thing that separates open carry and concealed carry is a piece of cloth. My opinion is if I am in the presence of what I believe is a decent civil person the individual could be anyone a off duty police officer, a lawyer, a doctor or construction worker and a firearm becomes visible why would my original opinion change,
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 12:25
Big difference between a concealed handgun and an assault rifle out in the open. Most concealed weapon holders are well-trained and safety conscious as they have to take classes to even carry a concealed weapon and qualify. Most aggressive shooters have long guns of some kind and are not required to be certified. I am not taking my chances with the latter……
searambler October 9th, 2014 at 22:32
Any yahoo goober with opposable thumbs and enough disposable cash can buy a rifle, with no training in its proper use and safety. People who concealed carry pistols go through (some minimal) training. And again, worrying about every person around me when I’m out in public because they might be concealed carrying is pointless paranoia. And I’m not nearly conservative enough to approach that level of paranoia. I choose not to be around people who are insecure enough and screwed-up-in-the-head enough to feel the need to walk around in public waving around their iron phalluses. Is that OK with you?
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 12:22
I would call 911 as I was doing so as well
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 14:46
Are you talking about a firearm or a dildo?
If you’re calling a firearm a penis as some sort of derogatory intention then it’s pretty insulting, especially to women who carry.
I’m not sure why so many ‘anti’ gun people seem to have an obsession with comparing a firearm to genitals.
Anyway …… let’s imagine you’ve bumped into someone OC’ing and you tell them ‘you are OC’ing and because of that I’m leaving’ and they say ‘oh I’ve got my permit let me cover it’ You’re good to stay?
searambler October 9th, 2014 at 21:51
Yes, I’m calling a firearm an iron penis. Yes, it’s meant to be derogatory and insulting, specifically towards the men who feel the need to walk around with them in restaurants and grocery stores for no good reason whatsoever. I’m glad that didn’t go over your head. And I don’t give a crap whether some ammosexual doosh carrying around his iron penis has a permit or not. I choose not to be around idiots like that. Is that OK with you?
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 02:37
I’m glad your qualifying statement excludes me from you intended target group otherwise I may think you are a sad, strange litle person with a lot of pent up unhealthy hostility.
I’m perfectly ok with you making any choice you wish as to whom you associate with. It is a free country after all.
tiredoftea October 8th, 2014 at 20:34
We shouldn’t be unnecessarily exposed to more. Especially from such an irresponsible and self aggrandizing group.
Obewon October 9th, 2014 at 00:00
Safest NYC’s 8 million residents have very few guns. Unless your gun is registered and permitted You have no business threatening others.
Exactly as searambler posted if a normal person sees a gun? Zoom! Most are out of there. Unsafe Gunowners aren’t our NYC problem. They’re extinct!
fahvel October 9th, 2014 at 03:29
1000 times more terrifying than the aholes who expose their pieces – what do you do about it?
Tango Down October 9th, 2014 at 01:30
And in doing so searambler, you will be committing a criminal act. Spoken like a true liberal!
whatthe46 October 9th, 2014 at 02:03
how so?
Tango Down October 9th, 2014 at 03:54
Because unlike OC or CC, going to a restaurant and ordering food and eating said food then just getting up and leaving as searambler has stated is illegal; it is theft.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 12:20
Not if you genuinely fear for your life, no judge would convict you
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 01:50
If you fear for your life, you can shoot them.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 20:32
I don’t take pleasure in shooting people, or animals, they would get me before I could even aim
Jones October 13th, 2014 at 20:44
Me either, I’m just illustrating the absurdity of the stand your ground law combined with open carry.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 14th, 2014 at 22:57
Which is horribly absurd
fahvel October 9th, 2014 at 03:28
there’s a trough between your cheeks that somehow defines you.
Tango Down October 9th, 2014 at 03:55
Exactly what are you attempting to say or mean?
searambler October 9th, 2014 at 09:25
If I was eating a meal and I left without paying, yes, that’s a crime. I’ll take my chances in court. “Your honor, I feared for my life when two armed men that I don’t know walked into the restaurant. I had no idea what their intentions were. I thought they might start shooting people.”
If I walk out of a Kroger after filling up a grocery cart, that’s not illegal, since I wouldn’t take the groceries.
searambler October 8th, 2014 at 19:43
If I’m ever in a store or restaurant and someone walks in with a gun, I’m outta there. If I’m shopping, I’ll abandon my cart where it is and walk out. If I’m dining, I’ll stand up and leave without paying, regardless of where I am with the meal. If businesses allow open carry they won’t get my money. They have to make a choice: gunstrokers, or me. Because it won’t be both…..
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 20:15
My intention is to merely inform and not to offend, we all are surrounded by firearms everyday in the stores out dinning or for a leisure stroll we for the most part are unaware of it the vast majority of people who carry a firearm do so concealed.
searambler October 8th, 2014 at 20:33
I realize that. I can’t worry about concealed weapons that I can’t see. I’d never leave the house if I did. But if I see some loser carrying his iron penis around my local grocery store or while I’m having lunch somewhere, I can and will do something about it. I’ll inform an employee WHY I am leaving, then I’ll walk – not run- out the door.
hardoug October 8th, 2014 at 22:01
I am very curious and somewhat bewildered from your comment and again I mean no offense, Knowing there are firearms about us at any time anywhere what is the difference? The thought of its ok if I can’t see it? The only thing that separates open carry and concealed carry is a piece of cloth. My opinion is if I am in the presence of what I believe is a decent civil person the individual could be anyone a off duty police officer, a lawyer, a doctor or construction worker and a firearm becomes visible why would my original opinion change,
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 12:25
Big difference between a concealed handgun and an assault rifle out in the open. Most concealed weapon holders are well-trained and safety conscious as they have to take classes to even carry a concealed weapon and qualify. Most aggressive shooters have long guns of some kind and are not required to be certified. I am not taking my chances with the latter……
searambler October 9th, 2014 at 22:32
Any yahoo goober with opposable thumbs and enough disposable cash can buy a rifle, with no training in its proper use and safety. People who concealed carry pistols go through (some minimal) training. And again, worrying about every person around me when I’m out in public because they might be concealed carrying is pointless paranoia. And I’m not nearly conservative enough to approach that level of paranoia. I choose not to be around people who are insecure enough and screwed-up-in-the-head enough to feel the need to walk around in public waving around their iron phalluses. Is that OK with you?
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 12:22
I would call 911 as I was doing so as well
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 14:46
Are you talking about a firearm or a dildo?
If you’re calling a firearm a penis as some sort of derogatory intention then it’s pretty insulting, especially to women who carry.
I’m not sure why so many ‘anti’ gun people seem to have an obsession with comparing a firearm to genitals.
Anyway …… let’s imagine you’ve bumped into someone OC’ing and you tell them ‘you are OC’ing and because of that I’m leaving’ and they say ‘oh I’ve got my permit let me cover it’ You’re good to stay?
searambler October 9th, 2014 at 21:51
Yes, I’m calling a firearm an iron penis. Yes, it’s meant to be derogatory and insulting, specifically towards the men who feel the need to walk around with them in restaurants and grocery stores for no good reason whatsoever. I’m glad that didn’t go over your head. And I don’t give a crap whether some ammosexual doosh carrying around his iron penis has a permit or not. I choose not to be around idiots like that. Is that OK with you?
Imported Cajun October 10th, 2014 at 02:37
I’m glad your qualifying statement excludes me from you intended target group otherwise I may think you are a sad, strange litle person with a lot of pent up unhealthy hostility.
I’m perfectly ok with you making any choice you wish as to whom you associate with. It is a free country after all.
tiredoftea October 8th, 2014 at 20:34
We shouldn’t be unnecessarily exposed to more. Especially from such an irresponsible and self aggrandizing group.
Obewon October 9th, 2014 at 00:00
Safest NYC’s 8 million residents have very few guns. Unless your gun is registered and permitted You have no business threatening others.
Exactly as searambler posted if a normal person sees a gun? Zoom! Most are out of there. Unsafe Gunowners aren’t our NYC problem. They’re extinct!
fahvel October 9th, 2014 at 03:29
1000 times more terrifying than the aholes who expose their pieces – what do you do about it?
Tango Down October 9th, 2014 at 01:30
And in doing so searambler, you will be committing a criminal act. Spoken like a true liberal!
whatthe46 October 9th, 2014 at 02:03
how so?
Tango Down October 9th, 2014 at 03:54
Because unlike OC or CC, going to a restaurant and ordering food and eating said food then just getting up and leaving as searambler has stated is illegal; it is theft.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 9th, 2014 at 12:20
Not if you genuinely fear for your life, no judge would convict you
Jones October 10th, 2014 at 01:50
If you fear for your life, you can shoot them.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 20:32
I don’t take pleasure in shooting people, or animals, they would get me before I could even aim
Jones October 13th, 2014 at 20:44
Me either, I’m just illustrating the absurdity of the stand your ground law combined with open carry.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 14th, 2014 at 22:57
Which is horribly absurd
fahvel October 9th, 2014 at 03:28
there’s a trough between your cheeks that somehow defines you.
Tango Down October 9th, 2014 at 03:55
Exactly what are you attempting to say or mean?
searambler October 9th, 2014 at 09:25
If I was eating a meal and I left without paying, yes, that’s a crime. I’ll take my chances in court. “Your honor, I feared for my life when two armed men that I don’t know walked into the restaurant. I had no idea what their intentions were. I thought they might start shooting people.”
If I walk out of a Kroger after filling up a grocery cart, that’s not illegal, since I wouldn’t take the groceries.
Angelo_Frank October 8th, 2014 at 20:07
I avoid establishments or areas where the ammosexuals carry their gratification weapons around in public. It has nothing to do with the ‘right to bear arms’.
Angelo_Frank October 8th, 2014 at 20:07
I avoid establishments or areas where the ammosexuals carry their gratification weapons around in public. It has nothing to do with the ‘right to bear arms’.
tiredoftea October 8th, 2014 at 20:14
At the very least, I’m staying very far from the Miracle Whip and Wonder Bread aisles!
Tommy6860 October 8th, 2014 at 20:34
LMAO!
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 14:35
Given what I’ve heard is in miracle whip I may not blame you, but it still tastes good frozen.
tiredoftea October 9th, 2014 at 18:34
Eww! That solves my dinner plans!
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 18:38
try it :) as with everything – moderation.
tiredoftea October 9th, 2014 at 18:43
Yeah, I’m going to have to sneak up on that one!
tiredoftea October 8th, 2014 at 20:14
At the very least, I’m staying very far from the Miracle Whip and Wonder Bread aisles!
Tommy6860 October 8th, 2014 at 20:34
LMAO!
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 14:35
Given what I’ve heard is in miracle whip I may not blame you, but it still tastes good frozen.
tiredoftea October 9th, 2014 at 18:34
Eww! That solves my dinner plans!
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 18:38
try it :) as with everything – moderation.
tiredoftea October 9th, 2014 at 18:43
Yeah, I’m going to have to sneak up on that one!
GabeZ October 8th, 2014 at 21:03
What I find extremely telling in situations like these is that many times, the sensible, rational and what I would imagine to be the actual responsible gun owners side with the crazy fringe people like the ones above rather than side with the sensible, rational people who call those crazy people crazy. The tribalism runs deep.
People like the ones above carry their rifles into stores for the purposes of intimidation and attention. Sure, they may have paranoid fantasies of stopping tyranny in the domestic light beer section or taking out a bad guy with a gun (in a blaze of bullets that would undoubtedly put others in even greater danger), but I suspect even they know those odds are long.
Not unlike the people who love revving their Harley at a stop light or those who drive around in lifted pick up trucks, these people just want to bother you, then give you the finger. It’s a low brow culture that enjoys “sticking” it to other people as a way of dealing with their own insecurities. Once you dig past the arguments regarding the Second Amendment and the state laws and store polices, that’s what it’s all about.
Kingminnie October 9th, 2014 at 00:32
Yes, and yes again. Applauding your common sense.
GabeZ October 8th, 2014 at 21:03
What I find extremely telling in situations like these is that many times, the sensible, rational and what I would imagine to be the actual responsible gun owners side with the crazy fringe people like the ones above rather than side with the sensible, rational people who call those crazy people crazy. The tribalism runs deep.
People like the ones above carry their rifles into stores for the purposes of intimidation and attention. Sure, they may have paranoid fantasies of stopping tyranny in the domestic light beer section or taking out a bad guy with a gun (in a blaze of bullets that would undoubtedly put others in even greater danger), but I suspect even they know those odds are long.
Not unlike the people who love revving their Harley at a stop light, these people just want to bother you, then give you the finger. It’s a low brow culture that enjoys “sticking” it to other people as a way of dealing with their own insecurities. Once you dig past the arguments regarding the Second Amendment and the state laws and store polices, that’s what it’s all about.
Kingminnie October 9th, 2014 at 00:32
Yes, and yes again. Applauding your common sense.
fahvel October 9th, 2014 at 03:27
and why do the others, those fine upstanding citizens with guns, have guns? There is no reason to own a machine that is designed for one purpose and that is to kill – with your moderate touch, you become as mealy as the cruds who wave their dicks around in the store. The second amendment, as it was written, is an archaic piece of shit with no bearing on the life of your 21 century.
GabeZ October 9th, 2014 at 12:00
Well done; it seems you almost entirely missed my point.
I don’t disagree at all that the Second Amendment is archaic. I’d say the Third Amendment is as well. I’m saying 2A is used as a prop to mask the underlying issue. I even spell it out in my last sentence.
There is no doubt there is a subset of gun owners who are responsible with their guns. There is also no doubt there is a subset of owners who are massively irresponsible with their guns. Is it split 50/50? 70/30? 30/70? I don’t know. It seems like for every one story about a good guy with a gun stopping a bad guy, there are 100 stories about suicide, accidental death, accidental discharge, intimidation, guns left out in the open where kids can get them, etc. See “Responsible Gun Owner Of The Day” on FB for a daily collection of these stories. Certainly the yahoo-cowboy-Yosemite Sam culture of these people contributes to the issue and the point of my first paragraph was that often we see the responsible gun owners side with these yahoos rather than side with people who demand sensible gun control (which would be in the responsible gun owners best interests as well).
I spend much of my “internet comment time” arguing against the tired and ill thought out arguments such as “an armed society is a polite society”, “the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun” and “yeah, well automobile deaths outnumber gun deaths” and arguing for extensive background checks, licensing, registration, requiring insurance, training and examination, developing and funding better gun tracing practices, better funding and unshackling the hands of the CDC to research and report on gun violence, closing any online, trade show and private selling loopholes, working toward helping those with mental illness and psychological issues, working toward providing opportunities for better livelihood and economic stability for those less fortunate, investing in excellent education, empowering the ATF to track down when, where and how guns go from the factory (or from the shipyards) and into the wrong hands and demanding a culture of social responsibility from the gun manufacturers and owners. But I’m also rational enough to recognize that there are gun owners who rely on hunting to provide food for their families and people who live in the middle of nowhere to rely on guns for protection.
My whole point was that once you get past all of these arguments and points, the issue is the low-brow, somewhat unsophisticated culture of the type of people shown above and how they pose with their guns to make up for their insecurities. Now, after rereading what I originally wrote as well as reading this post, please tell me again how I’m as “mealy as the cruds who wave their dicks around in the store”.
Imported Cajun October 9th, 2014 at 14:33
Keep in mind there are some 80 million guns owners in the US. Let’s say there are 30,000 deaths a year caused by a firearm (suicide, unlawful homicide, accident, justified homicide) and call them all irresponsible. On any given day 1 person in a million does something irresponsible with a gun. Take out criminal use and that goes to about 1 in 2 million.
Obewon October 8th, 2014 at 23:53
If you need a gun to grocery shop inside Kroger’s that’s obviously the worst place to shop.
Obewon October 8th, 2014 at 23:53
If you need a gun to grocery shop inside Kroger’s, that’s obviously the worst place to shop. What if the drunk Palin brawlers had guns? ‘How many KIA’s did you get at the party?’-Bristol to mama jizzly.
Karen French October 9th, 2014 at 00:54
I really want to see Kroger add to their “one of them isn’t welcome at Kroger” campaign, a dead body laying in front of a man with an assault rifle. I mean, it works right? But they won’t do that, it might scare off shoppers.
Karen French October 9th, 2014 at 00:54
I really want to see Kroger add to their “one of them isn’t welcome at Kroger” campaign, a dead body laying in front of a man with an assault rifle. I mean, it works right? But they won’t do that, it might scare off shoppers.
JMax October 9th, 2014 at 01:12
When are we going to hear some “moderate” muzzle-limps speak out against the “radical” muzzle-limps.?
Wayne Crawford October 9th, 2014 at 12:08
As soon as we can find a progressive (what a misnomer) that can tell the truth.
JMax October 9th, 2014 at 01:12
When are we going to hear some “moderate” muzzle-limps speak out against the “radical” muzzle-limps.?
Wayne Crawford October 9th, 2014 at 12:08
As soon as we can find a progressive (what a misnomer) that can tell the truth.