Images: How NRA Supporters React To Moms’ Gun Sense Group Over Open Carry At Kroger
After the NRA posted the following image on their Facebook page of a Kroger manager in Ohio refusing to accept a petition from Moms Demand Action to end open carrying firearms in stores, Bearingarms.com asserted that it’s a ‘basic human right” to carry long guns in a store where families shop with their children.
Ironically and hypocritically, in another post, the site’s author states, “Open carry announces to the world that you are armed. That makes you a primary target in almost any conceivable situation.”
The following are NRA supporters who left messages on the Moms Demand Action Facebook page.
Kangaroo Kevin, an alleged human, writes that he supports Kroger and opposes gay marriage while suggesting that the gun sense group fucks trees and licks dogs.
Donald Donnie Foerch Jr, writes, “God bless Croger.” [sic]
Ricky Walker just wants people to “see” his guns. Ricky has two guns. He’s super-duper-tough and he totally does not look like a gangsta.
Eric supports Kroger. I can tell because he types that thought repeatedly.
Chris Bruster openly carries a firearm because of ‘evil’ people in our country, all of whom he obviously believes meet up at Kroger.
Bill is “rockin out” with his Glock, because clearly that’s why the Second Amendment was created.
People that defend the NRA by keeping their memberships intact, aren’t paying attention. The aforementioned people made their plans clear: They will openly carry guns into Kroger locations across the country with no regard for families who shop there with their children.
A favorite bit of rhetoric from Open Carry activists is that a gun is simply an inanimate object. While that’s true, the people with their hands on the trigger don’t look like ‘good guys with a gun.’
Are these the folks Kroger should be “trusting to be responsible with their guns in stores” as per their statement? You be the judge. As for me, I’ve been spending my delicious dollars elsewhere — until a gun policy is implemented.
Big thanks to my tipster whose anonymity shall be respected here.
All images obtained on social media, thereby making them fair use.
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cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 14:06
The long gun open carry movement is a response to Texas’ law against the open carry of pistols.
Moms Demanding…. are using this fake problem to generate publicity and money.
The stores, like Panera Bread, are giving them the statement that they will “request” that their customers not bring in guns.
The Moms think that this is victory and claim it as such…..while nothing actually changed.
There is a miniscule chance of long gun carry in ANY business. But if the gun control organizations want to waste their time and money on this…..
Go for it.
Obewon October 12th, 2014 at 17:03
USA’s still rising 32,163 gun deaths in 2011 are the most per capita of any developed nation. More U.S. kids are killed by guns than cancer. U.S. Gun deaths exceed traffic deaths by 2015. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-19/american-gun-deaths-to-exceed-traffic-fatalities-by-2015.html OCT loons prove why U.S. guns should be registered with universal background checks on all guns & ammo purchases as favored by 89% of NRA Households and as SCOTUS D.C. Heller decision requires annually:)
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 17:25
Your post is a perfect example of spin.
There were 8855 “gun murders” in the US in 2012. There are approx 110 million gun owners. Thus, 99.9997% of gun owners were lawful. Your lie about the NRA households is more evidence of typical behavior of the gun control side. There is no way to poll the NRA membership. And there most certainly isn’t any polling on background checks for ammo purchases.
As for the Heller decision….go read it again. There is nothing in the decision mandating any such thing. DC may require it…but that was not part of the Heller case.
Please get back to us when you are trying to be honest.
Obewon October 12th, 2014 at 19:08
You’re spinning not I. SCOTUS D.C. Heller requires that Special Agent Heller ‘to keep his gun AT Home’ must annually meet local gun registration laws, pay fees & pass background checks yearly. Otherwise no guns are allowed at home for any D.C. resident.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 00:26
You really don’t get it do you.
Heller requires no such thing. They merely judged the gun ban. Heller, himself, did not contest the registration, so it was not considered in the case. Scalia’s are considered dicta and are not binding.
Yes… we understand that you pad the “gun deaths” by including suicide and justifiable shootings.
None of your statistics matters one whit, however.
You cannot infringe upon a right due to misuse or abuse of a right by another.
To paraphrase a blogger named Tam, Everybody in the nation could commit murder with a gun tomorrow, except me. You would still have no right to infringe upon MY rights.
Obewon October 13th, 2014 at 01:44
“Well regulated”-2nd A is why they didn’t challenge ‘D.C.’s Mandatory annual gun registration, fees & background checks’ written into the SCOTUS Heller decision as a ‘must satisfy’ precondition.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 03:05
It wasn’t challenged because Heller stated that he didn’t care about the registration and would not challenge it. THAT is why it wasn’t in the case.
Well regulated means well trained and disciplined. And it applies to the militia, not the gun owner.
As for the gun violence….. cut out Chicago, Baltimore, New Orleans, Detroit and surrounding towns, and DC, and our entire “gun murder rate” drops below that of Europe. What do all those cities have in common? Why….look at that! They are blue cities, filled with gangs.
Go do actual research and get back to us.
Obewon October 13th, 2014 at 04:44
All of the actual research of CDC/FBI by entire states & Global stats debunk you as linked above. Because you’re well proven: de·lu·sion·al false beliefs regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that persists despite the facts and occurs in some psychotic states—compare hallucination 1,illusion.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 09:59
Wow…. what a nonsensical word cloud that was in your first paragraph. Whatever are you babbling on about?
Well regulated in the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with limits on my possessing any weapons.
If you had actually researched your topic, you would know this.
We are restricted due to the NFA of 1934 and other gun control acts in 1968 and 1986. Furthermore, the 2nd amendment had not been incorporated against the states until McDonald. NOW, those state laws that are infringements are falling.
And you can have bazookas and RPGs, etc. Bring lots of paperwork to the ATF. Bring lots of money. Get the permits. Your mention of nukes is just silly.
Of course, what we have is…is the right to keep and bear ARMS. Nukes, rpgs, etc…are not arms, but ordnance. Those arms that are in common lawful use and suitable for a militia are the protected arms under the 2nd amendment.
Perhaps you should actually read the case law before commenting further.
Obewon October 13th, 2014 at 16:14
You’re a fruit loop who doesn’t even know what the words “Well regulated”-2nd A means. Why can’t you buy a new machine gun or any fully automatic Assault Weapons? Because they’re banned! D’oh!
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 17:13
You’re STILL locked into thinking “well regulated” is about laws as it applies to the 2nd? Really?
Btw…. SCOTUS has never addressed the restrictions on automatic weapons. There has been ZERO cases. The only 2nd amendment cases that have come before the court are the Heller and McDonald cases. Neither addressed automatic weapons.
While the NFA and other Gun acts are considered constitutional at this time, that is only because there has been no challenge.
Automatic weapons, per Heller, MAY fall into the protected class.
You really should read the decision.
OR…you can continue to ignorantly spout your “well regulated” mantra…… you are being a GREAT example.
Carla Akins October 13th, 2014 at 17:26
Or you can continue to ignorantly think the founders fully intended to allow irresponsible asshats to carry firearms into retailer stores and frighten children.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 17:36
Ignorantly think that the founders intended that the citizens exercise their right to keep and bear arms?
Nothing ignorant about it. Nor are children being frightened except by the hysterics of the gun control people.
People OC and CC all the time. It is ignored. The long gun carry is a political stunt in Texas. The gun control people are pretending that this is a national problem and hoping to get traction. They are getting ignored.
The Founders, per their own words and writings, intended for the citizens to exercise their right to keep and bear arms and have it protected by the Constitution. Furthermore, they wanted the population armed as to provide a source of armed citizens for the militia with no possible way for the government to disarm a militia.
Carla Akins October 13th, 2014 at 18:09
Clearly children are frightened by open carry in retail stores and city parks. To say otherwise is simply untrue.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 18:20
Funny….open carry happens frequently in Virginia. No scared kids. In fact, I’ve had families come up and ask where they can go shooting in the area when I open carried.
Your projection of fear does not allow for the infringement of rights.
If a private property wishes to restrict it..that is their right and business…as it is if they decide to allow carry.
Carla Akins October 13th, 2014 at 18:31
There is no need to carry a long gun into the grocery store or to sit down and drink a coffee. The only reason is to create fear. If these folk were truly interested in education they would go about it differently.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 18:34
The only reason that they did carry that way was to bring attention to Texas’ restriction on open carry of pistols and its overly strict concealed carry rules.
They OC Texas group did it badly. I will even agree that they were stupid about how they did it. But that is the only OC that was allowed by Texas.
If you look at the various photos from their activities…you will notice a distinct LACK of fear in the surrounding people.
whatthe46 October 13th, 2014 at 18:26
any parent with an ounce of common sense would/should have issues. they don’t have personal experiences with these open carry fools, they don’t know if any of them suffer from some mental disorder. i’m sure the father of the 12 y/o who just murdered his 16 y/o sister then himself had absolutely no clue anything like this could happen. why would i put my physical well being in jeopardy because some stranger wants to walk around with a weapon that has the potential of killing a mass amount of people.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 18:29
Better not get on the roads. There are nuts out there driving.
You are surrounded by armed people. Millions conceal carry. Some open carry. Criminals also carry. However, criminals very rarely carry long guns.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 21:21
Article 2 of the Heller decision: Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 23:53
Very good. That is exactly what supports my statement.
I hope Obewon reads it.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 14th, 2014 at 22:51
You aren’t getting it, I was supporting what Obewon said
cargosquid October 15th, 2014 at 01:09
Yes…. I know. But that section doesn’t support Obewon. None of that is applicable to the term “well-regulated” in the 2nd Amendment. Read more of Heller and you will see where they address that term.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 16th, 2014 at 03:29
What I was more pointing at was that the “Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose”
Which is what the gun nuts (really for the lack of a better term for the ones that are not responsible and have no common sense. I have a friend that makes high end handguns, for Pete’s sake and I don’t lump him into that category, he trains officers and is training for the Olympics as a sharp shooter as well. I would trust him with my life and he would never go grocery shopping with an AK-47 strapped to his back. I imagine he CC’s in a holster and knowing him with his shirt over the holster. He always said he is more of a target if a bad guy knows he has a gun than if he doesn’t because he (having a gun) would be the first one the bad guy tried to take out. He says the element of surprise is way more valuable.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 16th, 2014 at 03:32
And the actual meaning of the word Regulated means Control, Manage, Regulate
control or maintain the rate or speed of (a machine or process) so that it operates properly.
“a hormone that regulates metabolism and organ function”
synonyms:control, adjust, manage
“the flow of the river has been regulated”
control or supervise (something, especially a company or business activity) by means of rules and regulations.
“the organization that regulates fishing in the region”
synonyms:supervise, police, monitor, check, check up on,be responsible for; More
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 21:18
In Article 3 of the Heller decision: Assuming he is not disqualified from exercising Second Amendment rights, the District must permit Heller to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home. Pp. 56–64.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 23:55
Exactly what I said.
Heller had no problem with registration and did not challenge it. The decision stated that he had the right to keep and bear and arm. In the limits of the case,this is the decision that protected his right to own a gun.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 14th, 2014 at 22:50
But you said he didn’t have to register and license, that was not true, he does
cargosquid October 15th, 2014 at 01:08
I stated that SCOTUS did not require it. DC already did. It was not part of the case.
Obewhon said this: Heller requires that Special Agent Heller ‘to keep his gun AT Home’ must annually meet local gun registration laws, pay fees & pass background checks yearly. Otherwise no guns are allowed at home for any D.C. resident.
Heller does not require it. DC requires it. It was not considered in the case. Heller did not reject that requirement because if was not part of the plaintiff’s complaint. The court did not consider any of the other possible infringements done by DC.
Now, however, they MUST allow some form of carry.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 20:54
OKay so I commented before I read your post, Obewon, as always, you are my hero, LOL
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 20:53
How about all the non-lethal shootings and accidental shootings? They are wayyyyyyy higher than the deaths……
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 21:04
How about the estimated 108,000 defensive gun uses every year, according to the CDC? And that is the low estimate.
If you want to worry about accidents and woundings… what other dangers are you worried about?
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 21:16
A child getting hold of a gun is what most worries me
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 23:49
Worries everyone.
That’s why I’ve trained mine since she was three in gun safety.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 14th, 2014 at 22:52
That is why I never had mine in site and never allowed my children around them, they didn’t even know we owned a rifle until they were adults
cargosquid October 15th, 2014 at 01:03
Good thing that they didn’t come across any at their friends’ homes. Or somewhere in public by accident.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 16th, 2014 at 03:11
Good thing I talked to the other parents and took responsibility for where my children were, huh? And when they were growing up, here in my town, you pretty much wouldn’t find one laying out in the open “by accident” we have a super low crime rate here in our county.
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 14:06
The long gun open carry movement is a response to Texas’ law against the open carry of pistols.
Moms Demanding…. are using this fake problem to generate publicity and money.
The stores, like Panera Bread, are giving them the statement that they will “request” that their customers not bring in guns.
The Moms think that this is victory and claim it as such…..while nothing actually changed.
There is a miniscule chance of long gun carry in ANY business. But if the gun control organizations want to waste their time and money on this…..
Go for it.
Obewon October 12th, 2014 at 17:03
Kroger & Wal*Mart shoppers aren’t safe and need guns for milk & Huggies. OMG! WalMart gun shootings http://walmartshootings.blogspot.com/p/running-list-of-2014-walmart-shootings.html
USA’s still rising 32,163 gun deaths in 2011 are the most per capita of any developed nation. More U.S. kids are killed by guns than cancer. U.S. Gun deaths exceed traffic deaths by 2015. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-19/american-gun-deaths-to-exceed-traffic-fatalities-by-2015.html OCT loons prove why U.S. guns should be registered with universal background checks on all guns & ammo purchases as favored by 89% of NRA Households and as SCOTUS D.C. Heller decision requires annually:)
cargosquid October 12th, 2014 at 17:25
Your post is a perfect example of spin.
There were 8855 “gun murders” in the US in 2012. There are approx 110 million gun owners. Thus, 99.9997% of gun owners were lawful. Your lie about the NRA households is more evidence of typical behavior of the gun control side. There is no way to poll the NRA membership. And there most certainly isn’t any polling on background checks for ammo purchases.
As for the Heller decision….go read it again. There is nothing in the decision mandating any such thing. DC may require it…but that was not part of the Heller case.
Please get back to us when you are trying to be honest.
Obewon October 12th, 2014 at 19:08
You’re spinning not I. SCOTUS D.C. Heller requires that Special Agent Heller ‘to keep his gun AT Home’ must annually meet local gun registration laws, pay fees & pass background checks yearly. Otherwise no guns are allowed at home for any D.C. resident.
Get back to us when you figure out what a gun death is “32,163 gun deaths in 2011.” Vs 2/3 of all U.S. homicides that are a subset of 32,000+ annual gun deaths, unintentional shootings, etc:
1. In 2010, guns took the lives of 31,076 Americans in homicides, suicides and unintentional shootings. This is the equivalent of more than 85 deaths each day and more than three deaths each hour.(#1 CDC (WISQARS) Injury Mortality Reports)
2. 73,505 Americans were treated in hospital emergency departments for non-fatal gunshot wounds in 2010.(#2 CDC (WISQARS) Nonfatal Injury Reports)
3. More than 75% of guns used in suicide attempts and unintentional injuries of 0-19 year-olds were stored in the residence of the victim, a relative, or a friend.(#16 Archives Pediatric & Adolescent Med)
4. From 2005-2010, almost 3,800 people in the U.S. died from unintentional shootings.(#19 FBI/CDC WISQARS Injury Mortality Reports, 1999-2010, supra note 1.) http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-deaths-and-injuries-statistics/
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 00:26
You really don’t get it do you.
Heller requires no such thing. They merely judged the gun ban. Heller, himself, did not contest the registration, so it was not considered in the case. Scalia’s are considered dicta and are not binding.
Yes… we understand that you pad the “gun deaths” by including suicide and justifiable shootings.
None of your statistics matters one whit, however.
You cannot infringe upon a right due to misuse or abuse of a right by another.
To paraphrase a blogger named Tam, Everybody in the nation could commit murder with a gun tomorrow, except me. You would still have no right to infringe upon MY rights.
Obewon October 13th, 2014 at 01:44
“Well regulated”-2nd A is why they didn’t challenge ‘D.C.’s Mandatory annual gun registration, fees & background checks’ written into the SCOTUS Heller decision as a ‘must satisfy’ precondition.
Highest guns per capita states have the highest gun deaths because: Higher Gun Death Rates In States With Weak Gun Laws And High Ownership: Report’ Final tally of 2011 data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the report found that the state with the highest gun death rate, which includes murder, accidental shooting deaths and suicides, was
#`1 Louisiana, where 18.91 per 100,000 residents died by gun violence and nearly 46% of households owned guns.
#2 Mississippi, #3 Alaska, #4 Wyoming and #5 Montana had the next highest rates of gun deaths. (FL & AL withhold gundeath data)
While Rhode Island ranked as the state with the lowest rate of deaths by firearms at 3.14 per 100,000, followed by ‘well regulated’ Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York and New Jersey.
Nationwide, guns killed 32,351 people in 2011 — a 679-person increase from the previous year — for an average gun death rate of 10.38. “The 2011 gun death rate in Australia was 0.86 per 100,000 and in the United Kingdom it was 0.23 per 100,000-‘Well regulated’-UK & Oz Exceptionalism! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/24/states-gun-death-rates_n_5523570.html -states with “weak” gun violence prevention laws “add little or nothing to federal law and have permissive laws governing the open or concealed carrying of firearms in public.” Conversely, states with “strong” gun policies implemented “significant state regulation that is absent from federal law,” including restricting access to assault weapons, advancing minimum safety requirements for firearms and setting stricter open and concealed carry laws for public settings.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 03:05
It wasn’t challenged because Heller stated that he didn’t care about the registration and would not challenge it. THAT is why it wasn’t in the case.
Well regulated means well trained and disciplined. And it applies to the militia, not the gun owner.
As for the gun violence….. cut out Chicago, Baltimore, New Orleans, Detroit and surrounding towns, and DC, and our entire “gun murder rate” drops below that of Europe. What do all those cities have in common? Why….look at that! They are blue cities, filled with gangs.
Go do actual research and get back to us.
Obewon October 13th, 2014 at 04:44
All of the actual research of CDC/FBI of entire state statistics & Global stats debunk you as linked above. Because you’re well proven a misinformed: de·lu·sion·al-adjective describing false beliefs regarding the self or persons, or objects outside the self that persists despite the facts and occurs in some psychotic states—compare hallucination 1,illusion. e.g. faux news GOP TV’s 0 Emmy’s since 1996. And sinking fast via FNC’s worst ratings in 13 years, down -23% May 2013 to May 2014.
“Well regulated”-2nd A is why private citizens like you can’t have new machine guns, bazookas, RPG’s, rocket launchers or Nukes!
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 09:59
Wow…. what a nonsensical word cloud that was in your first paragraph. Whatever are you babbling on about?
Well regulated in the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with limits on my possessing any weapons.
If you had actually researched your topic, you would know this.
We are restricted due to the NFA of 1934 and other gun control acts in 1968 and 1986. Furthermore, the 2nd amendment had not been incorporated against the states until McDonald. NOW, those state laws that are infringements are falling.
And you can have bazookas and RPGs, etc. Bring lots of paperwork to the ATF. Bring lots of money. Get the permits. Your mention of nukes is just silly.
Of course, what we have is…is the right to keep and bear ARMS. Nukes, rpgs, etc…are not arms, but ordnance. Those arms that are in common lawful use and suitable for a militia are the protected arms under the 2nd amendment.
Perhaps you should actually read the case law before commenting further.
Obewon October 13th, 2014 at 16:14
You’re a delusional who doesn’t even know what the words “Well regulated”-2nd A mean. Why can’t you buy a new machine gun or any fully automatic Assault Weapons?
Because they’re banned by regulations upheld by SCOTUS as constitutionally valid via 2nd Amendment “regulations.”
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 17:13
You’re STILL locked into thinking “well regulated” is about laws as it applies to the 2nd? Really?
Btw…. SCOTUS has never addressed the restrictions on automatic weapons. There has been ZERO cases. The only 2nd amendment cases that have come before the court are the Heller and McDonald cases. Neither addressed automatic weapons.
While the NFA and other Gun acts are considered constitutional at this time, that is only because there has been no challenge.
Automatic weapons, per Heller, MAY fall into the protected class.
You really should read the decision.
OR…you can continue to ignorantly spout your “well regulated” mantra…… you are being a GREAT example.
Carla Akins October 13th, 2014 at 17:26
Or you can continue to ignorantly think the founders fully intended to allow irresponsible asshats to carry firearms into retailer stores and frighten children.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 17:36
Ignorantly think that the founders intended that the citizens exercise their right to keep and bear arms?
Nothing ignorant about it. Nor are children being frightened except by the hysterics of the gun control people.
People OC and CC all the time. It is ignored. The long gun carry is a political stunt in Texas. The gun control people are pretending that this is a national problem and hoping to get traction. They are getting ignored.
The Founders, per their own words and writings, intended for the citizens to exercise their right to keep and bear arms and have it protected by the Constitution. Furthermore, they wanted the population armed as to provide a source of armed citizens for the militia with no possible way for the government to disarm a militia.
Carla Akins October 13th, 2014 at 18:09
Clearly children are frightened by open carry in retail stores and city parks. To say otherwise is simply untrue.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 18:20
Funny….open carry happens frequently in Virginia. No scared kids. In fact, I’ve had families come up and ask where they can go shooting in the area when I open carried.
Your projection of fear does not allow for the infringement of rights.
If a private property wishes to restrict it..that is their right and business…as it is if they decide to allow carry.
Carla Akins October 13th, 2014 at 18:31
There is no need to carry a long gun into the grocery store or to sit down and drink a coffee. The only reason is to create fear. If these folk were truly interested in education they would go about it differently.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 18:34
The only reason that they did carry that way was to bring attention to Texas’ restriction on open carry of pistols and its overly strict concealed carry rules.
They OC Texas group did it badly. I will even agree that they were stupid about how they did it. But that is the only OC that was allowed by Texas.
If you look at the various photos from their activities…you will notice a distinct LACK of fear in the surrounding people.
whatthe46 October 13th, 2014 at 18:26
any parent with an ounce of common sense would/should have issues. they don’t have personal experiences with these open carry fools, they don’t know if any of them suffer from some mental disorder. i’m sure the father of the 12 y/o who just murdered his 16 y/o sister then himself had absolutely no clue anything like this could happen. why would i put my physical well being in jeopardy because some stranger wants to walk around with a weapon that has the potential of killing a mass amount of people.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 18:29
Better not get on the roads. There are nuts out there driving.
You are surrounded by armed people. Millions conceal carry. Some open carry. Criminals also carry. However, criminals very rarely carry long guns.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 21:21
Article 2 of the Heller decision: Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons. Pp. 54–56.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 23:53
Very good. That is exactly what supports my statement.
I hope Obewon reads it.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 14th, 2014 at 22:51
You aren’t getting it, I was supporting what Obewon said
cargosquid October 15th, 2014 at 01:09
Yes…. I know. But that section doesn’t support Obewon. None of that is applicable to the term “well-regulated” in the 2nd Amendment. Read more of Heller and you will see where they address that term.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 16th, 2014 at 03:29
What I was more pointing at was that the “Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose”
Which is what the gun nuts (really for the lack of a better term for the ones that are not responsible and have no common sense). I have a friend that makes high end handguns, for Pete’s sake and I don’t lump him into that category, he trains officers and is training for the Olympics as a sharp shooter as well. I would trust him with my life and he would never go grocery shopping with an AK-47 strapped to his back. I imagine he CC’s in a holster and knowing him with his shirt over the holster. He always said he is more of a target if a bad guy knows he has a gun than if he doesn’t because he (having a gun) would be the first one the bad guy tried to take out. He says the element of surprise is way more valuable.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 16th, 2014 at 03:32
And the actual meaning of the word Regulated means Control, Manage, Regulate
control or maintain the rate or speed of (a machine or process) so that it operates properly.
“a hormone that regulates metabolism and organ function”
synonyms:control, adjust, manage
“the flow of the river has been regulated”
control or supervise (something, especially a company or business activity) by means of rules and regulations.
“the organization that regulates fishing in the region”
synonyms:supervise, police, monitor, check, check up on,be responsible for; More
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 21:18
In Article 3 of the Heller decision: Assuming he is not disqualified from exercising Second Amendment rights, the District must permit Heller to register his handgun and must issue him a license to carry it in the home. Pp. 56–64.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 23:55
Exactly what I said.
Heller had no problem with registration and did not challenge it. The decision stated that he had the right to keep and bear and arm. In the limits of the case,this is the decision that protected his right to own a gun.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 14th, 2014 at 22:50
But you said he didn’t have to register and license, that was not true, he does
cargosquid October 15th, 2014 at 01:08
I stated that SCOTUS did not require it. DC already did. It was not part of the case.
Obewhon said this: Heller requires that Special Agent Heller ‘to keep his gun AT Home’ must annually meet local gun registration laws, pay fees & pass background checks yearly. Otherwise no guns are allowed at home for any D.C. resident.
Heller does not require it. DC requires it. It was not considered in the case. Heller did not reject that requirement because if was not part of the plaintiff’s complaint. The court did not consider any of the other possible infringements done by DC.
Now, however, they MUST allow some form of carry.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 20:54
OKay so I commented before I read your post, Obewon, as always, you are my hero, LOL
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 20:53
How about all the non-lethal shootings and accidental shootings? They are wayyyyyyy higher than the deaths……
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 21:04
How about the estimated 108,000 defensive gun uses every year, according to the CDC? And that is the low estimate.
If you want to worry about accidents and woundings… what other dangers are you worried about?
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 21:16
A child getting hold of a gun is what most worries me
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 23:49
Worries everyone.
That’s why I’ve trained mine since she was three in gun safety.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 14th, 2014 at 22:52
That is why I never had mine in site and never allowed my children around them, they didn’t even know we owned a rifle until they were adults
cargosquid October 15th, 2014 at 01:03
Good thing that they didn’t come across any at their friends’ homes. Or somewhere in public by accident.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 16th, 2014 at 03:11
Good thing I talked to the other parents and took responsibility for where my children were, huh? And when they were growing up, here in my town, you pretty much wouldn’t find one laying out in the open “by accident” we have a super low crime rate here in our county.
Arleen Haskins October 13th, 2014 at 04:00
We’ll get gun control again when the black panthers start stocking up on guns.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 10:27
Thanks for pointing out that gun control has racist roots.
Arleen Haskins October 13th, 2014 at 14:28
We’ll it is obvious that owning guns and being black does not go well. White people don’t have a problem owning guns. It has been demonstrated over and over. Black people can’t walk into a Krogers with a rifle strapped to his back or a side arm without getting attacked, arrested or killed. They usually get killed.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 17:03
Because gun control has racist roots. More black people should exercise their right to keep and bear arms.
whatthe46 October 13th, 2014 at 18:20
what makes you think that black people don’t excercise their rights to keep and bear arms? they just don’t feel the need to make jackasses out of themselves by going grocery shopping for milk and carrying or making a damn scene. whoopty GD dooo, so, you have a gun, and? aside from that, some paranoid idiot will call 911 and complain causing someone to be killed. get it?
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 18:26
Because of interviews with black people. Most live in gun controlled cities, for one.
Second, their community culture tends to be pro-gun control because they’ve been told for decades that it is bad to own a gun…..which plays right into racist gun control hands.
The right is to keep AND BEAR arms.
Some paranoid idiot….would that be the gun control people being frightened by a black person with a gun? Notice….I did not say that they had to OC. Concealed carry is a good thing.
Arleen Haskins October 13th, 2014 at 04:00
We’ll get gun control again when the black panthers start stocking up on guns.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 10:27
Thanks for pointing out that gun control has racist roots.
Arleen Haskins October 13th, 2014 at 14:28
We’ll it is obvious that owning guns and being black does not go well. White people don’t have a problem owning guns. It has been demonstrated over and over. Black people can’t walk into a Krogers with a rifle strapped to his back or a side arm without getting attacked, arrested or killed. They usually get killed.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 17:03
Because gun control has racist roots. More black people should exercise their right to keep and bear arms.
whatthe46 October 13th, 2014 at 18:20
what makes you think that black people don’t excercise their rights to keep and bear arms? they just don’t feel the need to make jackasses out of themselves by going grocery shopping for milk and carrying or making a damn scene. whoopty GD dooo, so, you have a gun, and? aside from that, some paranoid idiot will call 911 and complain causing someone to be killed. get it?
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 18:26
Because of interviews with black people. Most live in gun controlled cities, for one.
Second, their community culture tends to be pro-gun control because they’ve been told for decades that it is bad to own a gun…..which plays right into racist gun control hands.
The right is to keep AND BEAR arms.
Some paranoid idiot….would that be the gun control people being frightened by a black person with a gun? Notice….I did not say that they had to OC. Concealed carry is a good thing.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 17:37
Still waiting to find out what happens if a black man walks into a Kroger with a loaded gun.
OldLefty October 13th, 2014 at 17:54
In 1966, a group of 30 Black Panthers marched into
the state capitol of California with loaded guns, rifles, and shotguns
displayed openly, holding them pointed toward the ground or toward the sky,
both accepted methods of displaying firearms in public.
The actions of the Black Panthers led the California State Legislature to consider and pass laws restricting openly carrying guns in
public.
Then-Governor Ronald Reagan said on the day of the visit to the capitol
by the Black Panthers, “There is no reason why on the street today a citizen
should be carrying loaded weapons.”
“There is no reason why on the street today a citizen
should be carrying loaded weapons.”
Governor
Ronald Reagan upon signing the Mulford Act in 1967,
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 18:15
See…. racist gun control. One of Reagan’s few failings.
Of course, the Black Panthers were a known insurrectionist and criminal gang…….
I see no description of what happens if a black man carrying a gun walks into Krogers. I ask, because I’ve seen that quite often at the Krogers near my home. Is something supposed to happen to him because he is open carrying on his hip?
OldLefty October 13th, 2014 at 18:42
Of course, the Black Panthers were a known insurrectionist and criminal gang…….
_________
So are many of the militia members.
As for black man carrying a gun walks into Krogers…
I can not speak to that as I have never seen it.
Black men get shot and beaten by police in MY city.
Would being armed have helped?
And Reagan had many failings.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 18:44
Yes…. many militia members are similar. Private militias are not protected by the Constitution except under freedom of association.
Would being armed have helped? Probably not against POLICE, but against other threats.
OldLefty October 13th, 2014 at 18:47
They didn’t face other threats.
grendal113 October 13th, 2014 at 20:52
Oh bull poop! The only militia members that did that where either baited by the FBI or already felonies.
There have been two that where railroaded by a Podunk sheriff, that didn’t know the legal way to fight back.
There are 100’s of thousands of active members. This would be like saying mayors are all criminal. Just look at MAGS members.
OldLefty October 13th, 2014 at 20:57
That’s what they ALL say.
Jones October 13th, 2014 at 21:25
Maybe not on his hip. An assault style rifle might get a different result. Then again if Kroger welcomes it, everyone knows about it, and he’s a familiar customer,…then he might be allowed to live.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 23:46
Right… allowed to live. Okay then.
whatthe46 October 13th, 2014 at 18:16
the same thing that happened to a black man that was in wal-mart holding a toy gun. (he was gunned down) a white man call 911 and lied about his use of this toy gun.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 18:22
Yep….a racist gun control bigot illegally SWATTED him.
But that does not say what will happen to a black man walks into Kroger with a gun. I see it often. There is a black man that OC’s in to my local Kroger. Is something supposed to happen?
Carla Akins October 13th, 2014 at 18:28
No, Ritchie has described himself as a gun enthusiast, not a control advocate – in actuality he’s a lying attention seeking whore. And whether your very own black OC member is at risk depends on whether he’s shopping alone or with a group of white men.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 18:31
Every time I’ve seen him, he’s been pushing his basket all alone. I’ve seen him for about two years now.
And I know quite a few more OC’ers that happen to be black. One has been paid by the Norfolk cops twice because he was harassed.
Carla Akins October 13th, 2014 at 18:32
I’m sorry, but I don’t believe you. Honestly, in today’s world if that were happening, someone would be posting pictures of this phenomenon.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 18:42
Why is that? Open carry happens quite frequently in parts of Virginia. We’ve had it for decades.
Most people don’t even notice the gun on the hip.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 20:49
Are you sure he’s not an off duty security guard or policeman himself?
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 21:06
Off duty security guards cannot carry as an “off duty” guard. He would still be carrying as a civilian.
I’ve seen no evidence of a badge. Either way…he is open carrying. He is a black person. And he has no visible evidence of law enforcement…thus…to all appearances…he’s just a normal guy that open carries.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 21:14
off duty officers don’t have to carry their badge. They carry as civilians as well but can use their status if needed. I do know off duty security that oc a holstered weapon, those I don’t mind, it’s the flashy big ones that bother me. Overkill
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 23:50
My point was that he appears as a normal citizen.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 14th, 2014 at 22:52
My point exactly, therefore you don’t know if he is or not
cargosquid October 15th, 2014 at 01:03
It doesn’t matter if he is law enforcement or not. The citizenry ignores him.
Jeremy Hatfield October 14th, 2014 at 20:02
I’ve noticed the same in Alaska. Fairbanks is supposed to be in the heaviest armed borough in the nation, yet so far, no arctic Somalias have erupted.
And with Constitutional Carry to boot!
whatthe46 October 13th, 2014 at 18:30
it can if some racist decides to call 911 and lie about a behavior that’s non-existence such as the case i mentioned. then his health is dependent on what cop shows up.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 18:35
That can happen to anyone that open carries. Race is irrelevant.
whatthe46 October 13th, 2014 at 18:57
lie lie lie lie lie lies LIESSSS! a woman call 911 when some white guys were in a wal-mart with their “long guns” and when the police got there they said it was not against the law and that was it. a white 18 y/o in aurora was walking around with his gun and with good reason people called 911. when the police confronted him, they questioned him and asked him for an i.d. he refused he refused to also give them his name. nothing happened to him. we know for a fact that black males get shot down for jay-walking, so no race is very relevant.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 17:37
Still waiting to find out what happens if a black man walks into a Kroger with a loaded gun.
OldLefty October 13th, 2014 at 17:54
In 1966, a group of 30 Black Panthers marched into
the state capitol of California with loaded guns, rifles, and shotguns
displayed openly, holding them pointed toward the ground or toward the sky,
both accepted methods of displaying firearms in public.
The actions of the Black Panthers led the California State Legislature to consider and pass laws restricting openly carrying guns in
public.
Then-Governor Ronald Reagan said on the day of the visit to the capitol
by the Black Panthers, “There is no reason why on the street today a citizen
should be carrying loaded weapons.”
“There is no reason why on the street today a citizen
should be carrying loaded weapons.”
Governor
Ronald Reagan upon signing the Mulford Act in 1967,
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 18:15
See…. racist gun control. One of Reagan’s few failings.
Of course, the Black Panthers were a known insurrectionist and criminal gang…….
I see no description of what happens if a black man carrying a gun walks into Krogers. I ask, because I’ve seen that quite often at the Krogers near my home. Is something supposed to happen to him because he is open carrying on his hip?
OldLefty October 13th, 2014 at 18:42
Of course, the Black Panthers were a known insurrectionist and criminal gang…….
_________
So are many of the militia members.
As for black man carrying a gun walks into Krogers…
I can not speak to that as I have never seen it.
Black men get shot and beaten by police in MY city.
Would being armed have helped?
And Reagan had many failings.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 18:44
Yes…. many militia members are similar. Private militias are not protected by the Constitution except under freedom of association.
Would being armed have helped? Probably not against POLICE, but against other threats.
OldLefty October 13th, 2014 at 18:47
They didn’t face other threats.
grendal113 October 13th, 2014 at 20:52
Oh bull poop! The only militia members that did that where either baited by the FBI or already felonies.
There have been two that where railroaded by a Podunk sheriff, that didn’t know the legal way to fight back.
There are 100’s of thousands of active members. This would be like saying mayors are all criminal. Just look at MAGS members.
OldLefty October 13th, 2014 at 20:57
That’s what they ALL say.
Jones October 13th, 2014 at 21:25
Maybe not on his hip. An assault style rifle might get a different result. Then again if Kroger welcomes it, everyone knows about it, and he’s a familiar customer,…then he might be allowed to live.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 23:46
Right… allowed to live. Okay then.
whatthe46 October 13th, 2014 at 18:16
the same thing that happened to a black man that was in wal-mart holding a toy gun. (he was gunned down) a white man call 911 and lied about his use of this toy gun.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 18:22
Yep….a racist gun control bigot illegally SWATTED him.
But that does not say what will happen to a black man walks into Kroger with a gun. I see it often. There is a black man that OC’s in to my local Kroger. Is something supposed to happen?
Carla Akins October 13th, 2014 at 18:28
No, Ritchie has described himself as a gun enthusiast, not a control advocate – in actuality he’s a lying attention seeking whore. And whether your very own black OC member is at risk depends on whether he’s shopping alone or with a group of white men.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 18:31
Every time I’ve seen him, he’s been pushing his basket all alone. I’ve seen him for about two years now.
And I know quite a few more OC’ers that happen to be black. One has been paid by the Norfolk cops twice because he was harassed.
Carla Akins October 13th, 2014 at 18:32
I’m sorry, but I don’t believe you. Honestly, in today’s world if that were happening, someone would be posting pictures of this phenomenon.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 18:42
Why is that? Open carry happens quite frequently in parts of Virginia. We’ve had it for decades.
Most people don’t even notice the gun on the hip.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 20:49
Are you sure he’s not an off duty security guard or policeman himself?
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 21:06
Off duty security guards cannot carry as an “off duty” guard. He would still be carrying as a civilian.
I’ve seen no evidence of a badge. Either way…he is open carrying. He is a black person. And he has no visible evidence of law enforcement…thus…to all appearances…he’s just a normal guy that open carries.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 21:14
off duty officers don’t have to carry their badge. They carry as civilians as well but can use their status if needed. I do know off duty security that oc a holstered weapon, those I don’t mind, it’s the flashy big ones that bother me. Overkill
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 23:50
My point was that he appears as a normal citizen.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 14th, 2014 at 22:52
My point exactly, therefore you don’t know if he is or not
cargosquid October 15th, 2014 at 01:03
It doesn’t matter if he is law enforcement or not. The citizenry ignores him.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 16th, 2014 at 03:09
Then I assume, for whatever reason, the citizenry are not concerned about the black man with the gun in Krogers. Right? If I see a black man with a holstered weapon in my town and yes, I live in the south, I pretty much assume he is off duty or plain clothes SOMETHING and I am pretty sure I don’t want to piss him off either way.
AK Teabilly October 14th, 2014 at 20:02
I’ve noticed the same in Alaska. Fairbanks is supposed to be in the heaviest armed borough in the nation, yet so far, no arctic Somalias have erupted.
And with Constitutional Carry to boot!
whatthe46 October 13th, 2014 at 18:30
it can if some racist decides to call 911 and lie about a behavior that’s non-existence such as the case i mentioned. then his health is dependent on what cop shows up.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 18:35
That can happen to anyone that open carries. Race is irrelevant.
whatthe46 October 13th, 2014 at 18:57
lie lie lie lie lie lies LIESSSS! a woman call 911 when some white guys were in a wal-mart with their “long guns” and when the police got there they said it was not against the law and that was it. a white 18 y/o in aurora was walking around with his gun and with good reason people called 911. when the police confronted him, they questioned him and asked him for an i.d. he refused he refused to also give them his name. nothing happened to him. we know for a fact that black males get shot down for jay-walking, so no race is very relevant.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 17:50
I do want to complement the moderators on here. Many liberal sites have moderators that comment but are not labeled as mods, and then ban or delete opposing views.
So far, I have not seen that.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 20:47
I have never seen that unless someone gets REALLY ugly and abusive
grendal113 October 13th, 2014 at 20:47
Don’t they do delete comments
SoSezYou October 15th, 2014 at 20:58
why be surprised? You claim “libruls” are hateful and closed minded yet you keep finding proof otherwise and you can also find proof the vast majority of rightwing websites DO NOT act in the same manner and quick deletions of “off message” posts are par for the course. But, you keep on accusing “libruls” of whatever Breitbart says to copy and paste for today. The weight of your specious arguments brings you back down to the gutter.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 17:50
I do want to complement the moderators on here. Many liberal sites have moderators that comment but are not labeled as mods, and then ban or delete opposing views.
So far, I have not seen that.
Margie Bateman Osgood October 13th, 2014 at 20:47
I have never seen that unless someone gets REALLY ugly and abusive
grendal113 October 13th, 2014 at 20:47
Don’t they do delete comments
SoSezYou October 15th, 2014 at 20:58
why be surprised? You claim “libruls” are hateful and closed minded yet you keep finding proof otherwise and you can also find proof the vast majority of rightwing websites DO NOT act in the same manner and quick deletions of “off message” posts are par for the course. But, you keep on accusing “libruls” of whatever Breitbart says to copy and paste for today. The weight of your specious arguments brings you back down to the gutter.
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 19:10
http://cw33.com/2014/10/06/sel…
Thought you guys might like this.
Huey P. Newton Gun Club.
Black men with guns
Love it!
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 19:10
http://cw33.com/2014/10/06/sel…
Thought you guys might like this.
Huey P. Newton Gun Club.
Black men with guns
Love it!
cargosquid October 13th, 2014 at 23:46
Excellent. Spoons are terrifying.
TK Carnage November 7th, 2014 at 21:55
Liberalism is a mental disorder
KB723 November 7th, 2014 at 22:09
So is a negative reply on a Liberal Blog, would you like to Sniff my Ass???
KB723 November 7th, 2014 at 23:09
So is a negative reply on a Liberal Blog, would you like to Sniff my Ass???
Larry Hall November 16th, 2014 at 05:27
I cracked up and spit my drink all over my screen over the bit about the ‘bully Moms’. lolol
You have to carry a weapon to show you’re not a bully. If they don’t believe you, just go upside their head with the butt of your gun to show them you’ll do whatever you damned well please. If that doesn’t convince them, blow their freakin’ heads off. The nerve of those freakin’ people. Calling a man with a gun a bully!!!
You’re only a bully until you take away your gun. Then you run away like a scared little girl. That’s why you carry the gun. To be SOMEBODY! Without it, you’re just a frightened paranoid little kitten.
Larry Hall November 16th, 2014 at 06:27
I cracked up and spit my drink all over my screen over the bit about the ‘bully Moms’. lolol
You have to carry a weapon to show you’re not a bully. If they don’t believe you, just go upside their head with the butt of your gun to show them you’ll do whatever you damned well please. If that doesn’t convince them, blow their freakin’ heads off. The nerve of those freakin’ people. Calling a man with a gun a bully!!!
You’re only a bully until you take away your gun. Then you run away like a scared little girl. That’s why you carry the gun. To be SOMEBODY! Without it, you’re just a frightened paranoid little kitten.
SUPER 68 IS DOWN March 2nd, 2015 at 10:12
Oh please the Moms Demand Action HATE Group deletes and bans almost any opposing message
joezamecki March 9th, 2015 at 09:23
How ironic that they would basically threaten people with pics like that, because some folks responded to them threatening people with guns like that, in person. Their problem and their solution to it are all the same. No wonder they don’t even want any laws restricting mentally ill people from buying guns.
Grits.N.Jowls May 20th, 2015 at 07:42
Fine but Kroger and Wal-Mart go back and forth as the #1 grocery chain, so it doesn’t look like the gun controllers are having much success. How stupid they look in that store though.
OldLefty May 20th, 2015 at 07:54
These gun nuts AWAYS look stupid.
Like overgrown little kids playing tough guy.