Ferguson PD Video Backfires; Brown Seen Paying For Cigarillos
A hat tip to our good friends at AATTP and YouTube user Wango Tango. The Ferguson PD has a lot of explaining to do.
By: dave-dr-gonzo
David Hirsch, a.k.a. Dave "Doctor" Gonzo*, is a renegade record producer, video producer, writer, reformed corporate shill, and still-registered lobbyist for non-one-percenter performing artists and musicians. He lives in a heavily fortified compound in one of Manhattan's less trendy neighborhoods.
* Hirsch is the third person to use the pseudonym, a not-so-veiled tribute to journalist and author Hunter S. Thompson, with the permission of his predecessors Gene Gaudette of American Politics Journal (currently webmaster and chief bottlewasher at Liberaland) and Stephen Meese at Smashmouth Politics.
tiredoftea August 18th, 2014 at 23:49
This is way beyond a rush to judgement by the PD, and all of its apologists.
granpa.usthai August 19th, 2014 at 00:54
actually, had Michael not been black, it would be considered a criminal conspiracy to fabricate/alter/tamper with evidence. But, I’m sure when the WHITE RACIST TERRORIST supported by the WHITE RACIST REPUBLICANS in the US CONGRESS gather in mass to stop traffic in Ferguson, the Fed’s will be more willing to ‘overlook’ those small details in the interest of having a peaceful route to safety. Nothing like having an uncontrollable group of heavily armed WHITE RACIST TERRORIST locking and loading on you to inspire a ‘peaceful full and complete unquestionable retreat’.
John Tarter August 19th, 2014 at 07:11
And here in America we do not have a Federal Justice Department. We have a liberal, leftist, racist, highly political Obama/Holder Justice Department. The inmates are now running the asylum!
As for a retreat, the autopsy paid for by the family says otherwise. YOU CAN’T DEAL WITH THE TRUTH.
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 08:07
Oh, boo hoo. We have a Black man in the Oval Office, and a Black man in the top position of the DoJ, and that just chaps your ass, doesn’t it?
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 08:39
That is just WAYYY too much power for those racists who are only comfortable when some white guys are running the show! LMAO!!
tiredoftea August 18th, 2014 at 23:49
This is way beyond a rush to judgement by the PD, and all of its apologists.
granpa.usthai August 19th, 2014 at 00:54
actually, had Michael not been black, it would be considered a criminal conspiracy to fabricate/alter/tamper with evidence. But, I’m sure when the WHITE RACIST TERRORIST supported by the WHITE RACIST REPUBLICANS in the US CONGRESS gather in mass to stop traffic in Ferguson, the Fed’s will be more willing to ‘overlook’ those small details in the interest of having a peaceful route to safety. Nothing like having an uncontrollable group of heavily armed WHITE RACIST TERRORIST locking and loading on you to inspire a ‘peaceful full and complete unquestionable retreat’.
John Tarter August 19th, 2014 at 07:11
And here in America we do not have a Federal Justice Department. We have a liberal, leftist, racist, highly political Obama/Holder Justice Department. The inmates are now running the asylum!
As for a retreat, the autopsy paid for by the family says otherwise. YOU CAN’T DEAL WITH THE TRUTH.
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 08:07
Oh, boo hoo. We have a Black man in the Oval Office, and a Black man in the top position of the DoJ, and that just chaps your ass, doesn’t it?
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 08:39
That is just WAYYY too much power for those racists who are only comfortable when some white guys are running the show! LMAO!!
R.J. Carter August 18th, 2014 at 23:52
And yet another trickle of information that changes the course of this thing. I expect it will incite even more violence, alas.
tiredoftea August 19th, 2014 at 01:14
At this point, perhaps rightly so.
jasperjava August 19th, 2014 at 01:41
How so?
Michael Brown was unjustly killed, whether he stole cigars or not. The false “robbery” story was a red herring all along.
Chinese Democracy August 19th, 2014 at 01:49
another red herring.. There was marijuana in mike’s system. Ohhhh That must be why he was shot 6 times
M D Reese August 19th, 2014 at 02:26
And never mind that cannabis can be detected in your system for up to 30 days. To say that someone had cannabis in their system really doesn’t mean anything.
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 08:05
That’s true. And, according to all the video I’ve seen of these cops since this started, wearing a badge and carrying a gun makes people aggressive!
John Tarter August 19th, 2014 at 07:00
But what if he did charge the officer a rage? Remember he is over 6 ft tall and 280 pounds. What would YOU have done had you been in that cops shoes? You claim one thing and someone else claims another and it will all come out with a thorough investigation and perhaps a trial.
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 08:04
“But what if he did charge the officer in a rage?” But what if he DIDN’T? There are several eye witnesses who say otherwise. You seem to only want to believe the cop, who is too cowardly to come to a press conference and tell his story. He has somebody else doing his talking.
R.J. Carter August 19th, 2014 at 09:19
There are eyewitnesses who say both. Sadly, nobody turned on their videocameras until after the shots were fired (and why should they,really), so at the moment we only have competing stories.
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 09:41
Point taken. However, I believe ALL the witnesses say Brown was surrendering and the cop kept shooting. As for the autopsy, how does anyone shoot a man who is 6’4″ in the apex of his skull unless that big man is on his knees? Would a man who is charging have his arms at his side, pumping, or facing forward to allow four shots to hit where they hit?
Gee, R.G. Can’t you let John defend himself? ;-)
PNUT1 August 19th, 2014 at 13:23
Just because you and probably a very high percentage of conservatives are scared of young black men doesn’t mean that everyone else is. That is your baggage.
R.J. Carter August 18th, 2014 at 23:52
And yet another trickle of information that changes the course of this thing. I expect it will incite even more violence, alas.
tiredoftea August 19th, 2014 at 01:14
At this point, perhaps rightly so.
rashaad comer August 19th, 2014 at 07:42
I don’t give a f*ck how big he was or if he charged the police you don’t shoot a man 6 fucking times..Once in the eye and once in the head..WTF
tiredoftea August 19th, 2014 at 12:35
Low reading comprehension, much?
jasperjava August 19th, 2014 at 01:41
How so?
Michael Brown was unjustly killed, whether he stole cigars or not. The false “robbery” story was a red herring all along.
Chinese Democracy August 19th, 2014 at 01:49
another red herring.. There was marijuana in mike’s system. Ohhhh That must be why he was shot 6 times
M D Reese August 19th, 2014 at 02:26
And never mind that cannabis can be detected in your system for up to 30 days. To say that someone had cannabis in their system really doesn’t mean anything.
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 08:05
That’s true. And, according to all the video I’ve seen of these cops since this started, wearing a badge and carrying a gun makes people aggressive!
John Tarter August 19th, 2014 at 07:00
But what if he did charge the officer in a rage? Remember he is over 6 ft tall and 280 pounds. What would YOU have done had you been in that cops shoes? You claim one thing and someone else claims another and it will all come out with a thorough investigation and perhaps a trial.
Come on and admit it, all of you libs would have been leary of Michael Brown if he and his friend were coming towards you on a city street and would have breathed a great sigh of relief if nothing had happened.
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 08:04
“But what if he did charge the officer in a rage?” But what if he DIDN’T? There are several eye witnesses who say otherwise. You seem to only want to believe the cop, who is too cowardly to come to a press conference and tell his story. He has somebody else doing his talking.
R.J. Carter August 19th, 2014 at 09:19
There are eyewitnesses who say both. Sadly, nobody turned on their videocameras until after the shots were fired (and why should they,really), so at the moment we only have competing stories.
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 09:41
Point taken. However, I believe ALL the witnesses say Brown was surrendering and the cop kept shooting. As for the autopsy, how does anyone shoot a man who is 6’4″ in the apex of his skull unless that big man is on his knees? Would a man who is charging have his arms at his side, pumping, or facing forward to allow four shots to hit where they hit?
Gee, R.G. Can’t you let John defend himself? ;-)
PNUT1 August 19th, 2014 at 13:23
Just because you and probably a very high percentage of conservatives are scared of young black men doesn’t mean that everyone else is. That is your baggage.
M D Reese August 19th, 2014 at 02:24
When I first saw the video it looked to me as it Michael and/or his friend had paid for the cigars as well. Hopefully the FBI and Justice Dept. will actually interview the people in the store at the time and get to the bottom of it. It doesn’t make a damn bit of difference regarding his murder though.
M D Reese August 19th, 2014 at 02:24
When I first saw the video it looked to me as it Michael and/or his friend had paid for the cigars as well. Hopefully the FBI and Justice Dept. will actually interview the people in the store at the time and get to the bottom of it. It doesn’t make a damn bit of difference regarding his murder though.
Bryan Kilburn August 19th, 2014 at 04:54
Looks like a strong arm robbery to me. I c no money being exchanged….. I c no money given back to Mr. Brown (change from purchase)…. I do c Mr. Brown reach across the counter and grab a bunch of stuff/cigars and drop it on the floor then pick it up and leave….. This just proves the police statement MORE!!!!!! Where’s the video from behind the counter?
Herb Sarge Phelps August 19th, 2014 at 05:03
Why didn’t the store file charges, and why didn’t the police go to it only AFTER the death? Seems sort of odd even to a numb skull that the facts don’t seem to add up to a robbery, plus regardless, the crime doesn’t justify the killing if it had been a crime.
Bryan Kilburn August 19th, 2014 at 06:18
Not sure how long you have been following the story, but the police did go to the store before Mr. Brown was encountered by officer Wilson. The police at the store cleared the scene, Mr. Brown had left, and went in the direction he had walked looking for him. At about this time, or shortly thereafter, Mr. Brown was confronted by officer Wilson. Then later went back to look at the stores videos….
Bryan Kilburn August 19th, 2014 at 06:24
And none of this matters if Mr. Brown assaulted officer Wilson as some eye witnesses have confirmed. Its a sad situation for all parties that could have been avoided, but something went terribly wrong and neither you nor I is Darren Wilson but I gotta ask “what would you do”?
Linda1961 August 19th, 2014 at 06:57
The only witnesses who have confirmed that Mike Brown assaulted Wilson are Wilson himself and his girlfriend.
Bryan Kilburn August 19th, 2014 at 07:22
There is a video with conversation in the background between 2 ppl that are talking about the struggle officer Wilson had with Mr. Brown INSIDE THE POLICE VEHICLE!!!!! Now tell me officer Wilson assaulted Mr. Brown inside the vehicle? Come on ppl wake up
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 08:01
Why don’t you provide a link to that video? I’ve been following this store from the beginning. The witnesses ALL say there was a struggle but Brown was never inside the car. Brown pulled away from the officer and RAN. Did you actually read the story above? “In any case, neither the employee nor the store owner called law
enforcement–something that would surely happen if Brown committed a
“strong-arm robbery.”” In all the accounts I’ve read, nobody has ever claimed that the store clerk was interviewed. Don’t you think that would be a part of any “robbery” investigation? Come on, Bryan…wake up!
Bryan Kilburn August 19th, 2014 at 08:52
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2727321/Conversation-recorded-bystander-just-moments-Michael-Brown-shooting-casts-doubt-claims-teen-surrendered-Officer-Darren-Wilson.html
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 09:00
The video/audio confirms that the cop was in the car, and there was a struggle. It does NOT say Brown was in the car. All the eye witnesses have said Brown was never in the car. The man who was with Brown has said the cop reached out from the window of the car and grabbed Brown by the neck, and Brown struggled to GET AWAY from the cop. All the witnesses say he ran FROM the cop. There is nothing in that recording that disputes that account.
mea_mark August 19th, 2014 at 09:12
Thanks for providing a link. It does not entirely substantiate your claim though. Be careful about what you say.
Bryan Kilburn August 19th, 2014 at 09:27
you can delete me at any time sir, i have no agenda. Im not calling ppl names as you called me.
Bryan Kilburn August 19th, 2014 at 09:27
mea_mark
You
better come up with a link proving there is a video or you will have
your comments deleted for out right lies that are instigating in nature.
Trolls that lie like this are not welcome here.
Bryan Kilburn August 19th, 2014 at 09:12
maybe Mr.Brown was not fully inside the vehicle but evidence seems to be growing that officer Wilson was/had been in an altercation with Mr.Brown near the vehicle. So if the weapon was fired inside the vehicle their will be evidence to support this. Then officer Wilson will be justified in his actions because it will prove that Mr.Brown went for his weapon. At that point its bad news for all ppl involved. I wish we werent tlking bout this but we are……. back on point. If none of this proves to be true then officer Wilson will have to face murder charges. Gunning down a man that was surrendering, as first thought, is a horrible crime and he will pay for his actions. But as the evidence keeps growing…………. the ppl that are tearing Ferguson apart, might want to seriously reconsider what they are doing. Knock it off
Janet D'Angelo Beardsley August 19th, 2014 at 09:17
What about the people tearing Mr Brown apart? There has been a conscious effort to denigrate him from the beginning.
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 09:31
Officer Wilson SHOULD face murder charges, but that doesn’t mean he will. Here is a little history about what has happened previously in Ferguson under the same Chief of Police, Tom Jackson. It’s called “Missouri Cops’ License to Kill”. It’s an interesting read, if you are inclined to want to understand why the Black citizens of Ferguson are fed up with the cops. Most people in Ferguson do not believe those who are tearing things apart actually live in Ferguson. They’re just using it as an excuse to vent their own anger at police who don’t respect them, and in fact target them. If you hit a dog enough times, it WILL bite. And, by the way, the “other” Michael Brown who is mentioned in this story is white.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/19/missouri-cops-license-to-kill.html
LX-23 August 20th, 2014 at 22:10
http://fox2now.com/2014/08/15/store-owners-talk-about-surveillance-released/
mea_mark August 19th, 2014 at 08:48
You better come up with a link proving there is a video or you will have your comments deleted for out right lies that are instigating in nature. Trolls that lie like this are not welcome here.
Janet D'Angelo Beardsley August 19th, 2014 at 09:05
Where is the photo of an “assaulted” officer? Where are the forensics of the inside of the car? The officer disappeared immediately after so there is no photo to prove or disprove he was assaulted, if there was they would have shown it by now. Hell even zimmerman was able to fake some photo evidence!
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 09:15
Yessssss! There is video of the “assaulted” officer pacing by Brown’s body immediately after the murder. He wasn’t rushed to the hospital. There is no evidence that he ever went, even though the Chief of Police in Ferguson said so.
http://www.ibtimes.com/new-video-mike-brown-shooting-released-witness-paiget-crenshaw-they-killed-him-1661840
Janet D'Angelo Beardsley August 19th, 2014 at 09:56
Ok, I watched the video, there is still no proof the officer was assaulted. I’m talking photos that show he was hit, scratched whatever… assaulted, no blood, no bruises, no scraps, nothing. If they had it they would have shown it.
edmeyer_able August 19th, 2014 at 07:55
Wilsons GF is not a witness, she only repeated what wilson told her to say.
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 08:31
Exactly. And that’s all they’ve got!
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 08:41
That might be more truthiness than he can handle. ;-)
Bryan Kilburn August 19th, 2014 at 09:14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ_RpVSjr6w
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 09:21
Oh, goody, you found a video of a Black man that supports your views. You think that makes your comments acceptable, because you found a Black dude who said what you’d like to say. For every one like him, there are hundreds who don’t feel the way he does. He sounds self-loathing to me.
Bryan Kilburn August 19th, 2014 at 09:33
thats the best you got? thats an argument? Heck i dont care what happens in Ferguson…… u worry bout it
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 09:43
You’ve commented 10 times on this post. And I do believe you when you say you don’t care what happens in Ferguson. You’re just here trolling.
Baakus August 19th, 2014 at 11:51
Not to mention all the White people supporting the Black protesters.
Herb Sarge Phelps August 19th, 2014 at 12:29
First I was trained in Law Enforcement and Security by the U.S. Air Force, So what would I do since I have actually had experience? The thing to do is not to be a bully and abuse your authority because you are angry. I would have ask him and his friend how they were and then politely asked if they would move over to the sidewalk so they wouldn’t get hit and not block traffic. From his friend’s account, they told Wilson that they were almost where they were going and would be there in a seconds, I would have let them go home with a nice thanks fellows.
This was typical in response to what cops did in my hometown back in the 60s with blacks. This has racism and corruption written all over it, and I would expect McCollough (or however he spells it) is a typical good ole boy who secretly hates blacks but in public would never admit to it. It feels and sounds like Jim Crow and having grown up in it in Mississippi I kind of know what it looks like when I see it.
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 13:00
I have a friend who went into Security in the Air Force .. so he could have a weapon and SHOOT things.
That was his only purpose.
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:59
Why didn’t someone call 911?
dave-dr-gonzo August 19th, 2014 at 13:16
Get your eyes checked, There is a clear exchange of money.
ISeeApes August 19th, 2014 at 13:37
When, exactly? The original video at youtube says “At 36 seconds you can clearly see the clerk clasp currency in his hands.” and anyone who actually watches it can clearly see that no such thing occurs as claimed by you libtards. You should rename your website to “Naive Gullible LibtardLand”.
Carla Akins August 19th, 2014 at 14:23
I have deleted you last offensive comment. You are done here.
Bryan Kilburn August 19th, 2014 at 04:54
Looks like a strong arm robbery to me. I c no money being exchanged….. I c no money given back to Mr. Brown (change from purchase)…. I do c Mr. Brown reach across the counter and grab a bunch of stuff/cigars and drop it on the floor then pick it up and leave….. This just proves the police statement MORE!!!!!! Where’s the video from behind the counter?
Herb Sarge Phelps August 19th, 2014 at 05:03
Why didn’t the store file charges, and why didn’t the police go to it only AFTER the death? Seems sort of odd even to a numb skull that the facts don’t seem to add up to a robbery, plus regardless, the crime doesn’t justify the killing if it had been a crime.
Bryan Kilburn August 19th, 2014 at 06:18
Not sure how long you have been following the story, but the police did go to the store before Mr. Brown was encountered by officer Wilson. The police at the store cleared the scene, Mr. Brown had left, and went in the direction he had walked looking for him. At about this time, or shortly thereafter, Mr. Brown was confronted by officer Wilson. Then later went back to look at the stores videos….
Bryan Kilburn August 19th, 2014 at 06:24
And none of this matters if Mr. Brown assaulted officer Wilson as some eye witnesses have confirmed. Its a sad situation for all parties that could have been avoided, but something went terribly wrong and neither you nor I is Darren Wilson but I gotta ask “what would you do”?
Linda1961 August 19th, 2014 at 06:57
The only witnesses who have confirmed that Mike Brown assaulted Wilson are Wilson himself and his girlfriend.
Bryan Kilburn August 19th, 2014 at 07:22
There is a video with conversation in the background between 2 ppl that are talking about the struggle officer Wilson had with Mr. Brown INSIDE THE POLICE VEHICLE!!!!! Now tell me officer Wilson assaulted Mr. Brown inside the vehicle? Come on ppl wake up
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 08:01
Why don’t you provide a link to that video? I’ve been following this store from the beginning. The witnesses ALL say there was a struggle but Brown was never inside the car. Brown pulled away from the officer and RAN. Did you actually read the story above? “In any case, neither the employee nor the store owner called law
enforcement–something that would surely happen if Brown committed a
“strong-arm robbery.”” In all the accounts I’ve read, nobody has ever claimed that the store clerk was interviewed. Don’t you think that would be a part of any “robbery” investigation? Come on, Bryan…wake up!
Bryan Kilburn August 19th, 2014 at 08:52
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2727321/Conversation-recorded-bystander-just-moments-Michael-Brown-shooting-casts-doubt-claims-teen-surrendered-Officer-Darren-Wilson.html
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 09:00
The video/audio confirms that the cop was in the car, and there was a struggle. It does NOT say Brown was in the car. All the eye witnesses have said Brown was never in the car. The man who was with Brown has said the cop reached out from the window of the car and grabbed Brown by the neck, and Brown struggled to GET AWAY from the cop. All the witnesses say he ran FROM the cop. There is nothing in that recording that disputes that account.
mea_mark August 19th, 2014 at 09:12
Thanks for providing a link. It does not entirely substantiate your claim though. Be careful about what you say.
Bryan Kilburn August 19th, 2014 at 09:27
you can delete me at any time sir, i have no agenda. Im not calling ppl names as you called me.
Bryan Kilburn August 19th, 2014 at 09:27
mea_mark
You
better come up with a link proving there is a video or you will have
your comments deleted for out right lies that are instigating in nature.
Trolls that lie like this are not welcome here.
Bryan Kilburn August 19th, 2014 at 09:12
maybe Mr.Brown was not fully inside the vehicle but evidence seems to be growing that officer Wilson was/had been in an altercation with Mr.Brown near the vehicle. So if the weapon was fired inside the vehicle their will be evidence to support this. Then officer Wilson will be justified in his actions because it will prove that Mr.Brown went for his weapon. At that point its bad news for all ppl involved. I wish we werent tlking bout this but we are……. back on point. If none of this proves to be true then officer Wilson will have to face murder charges. Gunning down a man that was surrendering, as first thought, is a horrible crime and he will pay for his actions. But as the evidence keeps growing…………. the ppl that are tearing Ferguson apart, might want to seriously reconsider what they are doing. Knock it off
Janet D'Angelo Beardsley August 19th, 2014 at 09:17
What about the people tearing Mr Brown apart? There has been a conscious effort to denigrate him from the beginning.
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 09:31
Officer Wilson SHOULD face murder charges, but that doesn’t mean he will. Here is a little history about what has happened previously in Ferguson under the same Chief of Police, Tom Jackson. It’s called “Missouri Cops’ License to Kill”. It’s an interesting read, if you are inclined to want to understand why the Black citizens of Ferguson are fed up with the cops. Most people in Ferguson do not believe those who are tearing things apart actually live in Ferguson. They’re just using it as an excuse to vent their own anger at police who don’t respect them, and in fact target them. If you hit a dog enough times, it WILL bite. And, by the way, the “other” Michael Brown who is mentioned in this story is white.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/19/missouri-cops-license-to-kill.html
LX-23 August 20th, 2014 at 22:10
http://fox2now.com/2014/08/15/store-owners-talk-about-surveillance-released/
mea_mark August 19th, 2014 at 08:48
You better come up with a link proving there is a video or you will have your comments deleted for out right lies that are instigating in nature. Trolls that lie like this are not welcome here.
Janet D'Angelo Beardsley August 19th, 2014 at 09:05
Where is the photo of an “assaulted” officer? Where are the forensics of the inside of the car? The officer disappeared immediately after so there is no photo to prove or disprove he was assaulted, if there was they would have shown it by now. Hell even zimmerman was able to fake some photo evidence!
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 09:15
Yessssss! There is video of the “assaulted” officer pacing by Brown’s body immediately after the murder. He wasn’t rushed to the hospital. There is no evidence that he ever went, even though the Chief of Police in Ferguson said so.
http://www.ibtimes.com/new-video-mike-brown-shooting-released-witness-paiget-crenshaw-they-killed-him-1661840
Janet D'Angelo Beardsley August 19th, 2014 at 09:56
Ok, I watched the video, there is still no proof the officer was assaulted. I’m talking photos that show he was hit, scratched whatever… assaulted, no blood, no bruises, no scraps, nothing. If they had it they would have shown it.
edmeyer_able August 19th, 2014 at 07:55
Wilsons GF is not a witness, she only repeated what wilson told her to say.
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 08:31
Exactly. And that’s all they’ve got!
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 08:41
That might be more truthiness than he can handle. ;-)
Bryan Kilburn August 19th, 2014 at 09:14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQ_RpVSjr6w
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 09:21
Oh, goody, you found a video of a Black man that supports your views. You think that makes your comments acceptable, because you found a Black dude who said what you’d like to say. For every one like him, there are hundreds who don’t feel the way he does. He sounds self-loathing to me.
Bryan Kilburn August 19th, 2014 at 09:33
thats the best you got? thats an argument? Heck i dont care what happens in Ferguson…… u worry bout it
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 09:43
You’ve commented 10 times on this post. And I do believe you when you say you don’t care what happens in Ferguson. You’re just here trolling.
Baakus August 19th, 2014 at 11:51
Not to mention all the White people supporting the Black protesters.
Herb Sarge Phelps August 19th, 2014 at 12:29
First I was trained in Law Enforcement and Security by the U.S. Air Force, So what would I do since I have actually had experience? The thing to do is not to be a bully and abuse your authority because you are angry. I would have ask him and his friend how they were and then politely asked if they would move over to the sidewalk so they wouldn’t get hit and not block traffic. From his friend’s account, they told Wilson that they were almost where they were going and would be there in a seconds, I would have let them go home with a nice thanks fellows.
This was typical in response to what cops did in my hometown back in the 60s with blacks. This has racism and corruption written all over it, and I would expect McCollough (or however he spells it) is a typical good ole boy who secretly hates blacks but in public would never admit to it. It feels and sounds like Jim Crow and having grown up in it in Mississippi I kind of know what it looks like when I see it.
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 13:00
I have a friend who went into Security in the Air Force .. so he could have a weapon and SHOOT things.
That was his only purpose.
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:59
Why didn’t someone call 911?
dave-dr-gonzo August 19th, 2014 at 13:16
Get your eyes checked, There is a clear exchange of money.
ISeeApes August 19th, 2014 at 13:37
When, exactly? The original video at youtube says “At 36 seconds you can clearly see the clerk clasp currency in his hands.” and anyone who actually watches it can clearly see that no such thing occurs as claimed by you libtards. You should rename your website to “Naive Gullible LibtardLand”.
Carla Akins August 19th, 2014 at 14:23
I have deleted you last offensive comment. You are done here.
JeffreyPtr August 19th, 2014 at 06:26
The video only indicates Mr. Brown had a tendency to use his size to intimidate people and force his will on others. That he did or did not pay is irrelevant in the context of what directly led to his death. Mr. Brown, at 18, should not have been buying tobacco at all.
Linda1961 August 19th, 2014 at 06:59
And Wilson used his gun to kill an unarmed teenager for jaywalking. What happened in the shop had nothing to do with what happened on the street.
JeffreyPtr August 19th, 2014 at 09:11
Jaywalking may have been what started the entire mess, I doubt he was shot for that precise reason. I don’t pretend to know if the evidence will eventually show the shooting was justified or not. The mob doesn’t know either. Most have taken rumor and the spin from media and grief stricken family members and constructed a story to fit their prejudices. The cop was found guilty in their mind because it fits their world view, not because the facts are known and support that verdict yet.
mea_mark August 19th, 2014 at 09:16
Maybe if the police department had been more forthcoming from the beginning and not acting like they were covering things up, people would feel differently. The FPD have done a lousy job from the get go and now have had time to make evidence disappear if that was their intention. The distrust is there because of the FPD’s actions.
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 09:46
Exactly. And there are more reasons why the people don’t trust the FPD: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/19/missouri-cops-license-to-kill.html
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:58
I would prefer to NOT believe he was shot for being black. Cops have “lost it” before and shot people (unarmed) when a situation has escalated out of control.
As long as the cop stays in hiding, there is no statement, there is no original autopsy, there is no analysis of Mr. Brown’s clothing, it looks like and it smells like a coverup.
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 08:51
That your focus is on whether he should have been buying tobacco is telling. And you can “tell” that he had a “tendency” to use his size to intimidate people and “force his will on others.” Yet, you haven’t noticed how the cops have routinely intimidated people and forced their will on others, including reporters who were NOT being violent, looting, or throwing things. They simply have been trying to do what their bosses sent them to do. One crew had tear gas thrown at them while they were standing on a sidewalk, quietly going about their business. These cops don’t want the media recording what they are doing, because it might prevent them from forcing their will on others. They even confiscated cell phones of witnesses who were recording them as they paced by Mke Brown’s body. THAT’S intimidation.
JeffreyPtr August 19th, 2014 at 09:24
There are many things to look at, but not on a statistical basis. This one cop has to be examined, his story placed under a microscope. The dead man must also be looked at. This particular young man shoved a store owner, did he rob him, did he refuse to show ID for a purchase? All we get from the video is a picture of aggression.
I’m not willing to say this cop shot because many cops are bad, any more then I’m willing to say all Irish are X, all Mexicans are Y, all African Americans are Z. I’d like to give he authorities time to uncover all the facts, not react based on any prejudice.
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 09:52
You don’t seem to notice that in the video the clerk put his hands on Brown FIRST, and that’s when Brown shoved him. The clerk was the first aggressor.
“I’d like to give he authorities time to uncover all the facts, not react based on any prejudice.” That’s funny. The citizens of Ferguson would like to see all the facts uncovered, but they don’t have confidence that the FPD is trying to uncover the facts. They believe the opposite, and that’s what this is all about. They have REASON to distrust the FPD.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/19/missouri-cops-license-to-kill.html
JeffreyPtr August 19th, 2014 at 12:19
Their lack of confidence is one issue, the mob’s interest in instant justice based on rumor is another. The earliest rumors said Mr. Brown was shot in the back, we now know he wasn’t. Witness statements are conflicting some say Mr. Brown was surrendering some say he was charging, so we don’t have clear answers yet.
The mother described her son as a gentle giant, the video shows he was quite capable of using his size and strength against others. Without audio we don’t know what was said in that store or if the owner had a right to try to stop Mr. Brown from leaving or if he was in fact trying to stop him.
I don’t know if the FPD has any history of problems with its community or not. Perhaps it does, but the behavior of others doesn’t automatically translate into Mr. Wilson being guilty of anything.
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:56
We do NOT know that. Mr. Brown was being shot at as he ran away. Witnesses state that. Even his friend did NOT say he was shot in the back. He said he heard a shot, Brown stopped, raised his hands and turned around.
It is possible that the bullet grazed the medial aspect of Brown’s right arm from back to front depending upon the arm position at the time the bullet hit him. THAT may have caused him to stop and turn.
You don’t KNOW if the FPD has problems?
Perhaps you should listen to the multiple stories from the people in Ferguson regarding police stops, interrogations while coming home from shopping, kids getting hassled walking from school. 97% of stops were in the African American community!
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:53
We have not heard his story. We have no information at all on any of the crime scene evidence. We have no police report.
THIS is transparency?
IF Michael Brown had killed DarrenWilson, he’d already be dead.
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:52
Lets see if anything changes tonight. The cops are wanting to keep the media totally away from anything that might happen. Because THEY can’t handle the crowd the way they want, they don’t want it recorded.
CakeinBedWithYou August 19th, 2014 at 12:40
It’s legal to buy tobacco at 18.
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:51
This has to be the most singularly STUPID comment on this entire thread.
JeffreyPtr August 19th, 2014 at 06:26
The video only indicates Mr. Brown had a tendency to use his size to intimidate people and force his will on others. That he did or did not pay is irrelevant in the context of what directly led to his death. Mr. Brown, at 18, should not have been buying tobacco at all.
Linda1961 August 19th, 2014 at 06:59
And Wilson used his gun to kill an unarmed teenager for jaywalking. What happened in the shop had nothing to do with what happened on the street.
JeffreyPtr August 19th, 2014 at 09:11
Jaywalking may have been what started the entire mess, I doubt he was shot for that precise reason. I don’t pretend to know if the evidence will eventually show the shooting was justified or not. The mob doesn’t know either. Most have taken rumor and the spin from media and grief stricken family members and constructed a story to fit their prejudices. The cop was found guilty in their mind because it fits their world view, not because the facts are known and support that verdict yet.
mea_mark August 19th, 2014 at 09:16
Maybe if the police department had been more forthcoming from the beginning and not acting like they were covering things up, people would feel differently. The FPD have done a lousy job from the get go and now have had time to make evidence disappear if that was their intention. The distrust is there because of the FPD’s actions.
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 09:46
Exactly. And there are more reasons why the people don’t trust the FPD: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/19/missouri-cops-license-to-kill.html
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:58
I would prefer to NOT believe he was shot for being black. Cops have “lost it” before and shot people (unarmed) when a situation has escalated out of control.
As long as the cop stays in hiding, there is no statement, there is no original autopsy, there is no analysis of Mr. Brown’s clothing, it looks like and it smells like a coverup.
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 08:51
That your focus is on whether he should have been buying tobacco is telling. And you can “tell” that he had a “tendency” to use his size to intimidate people and “force his will on others.” Yet, you haven’t noticed how the cops have routinely intimidated people and forced their will on others, including reporters who were NOT being violent, looting, or throwing things. They simply have been trying to do what their bosses sent them to do. One crew had tear gas thrown at them while they were standing on a sidewalk, quietly going about their business. These cops don’t want the media recording what they are doing, because it might prevent them from forcing their will on others. They even confiscated cell phones of witnesses who were recording them as they paced by Mke Brown’s body. THAT’S intimidation.
JeffreyPtr August 19th, 2014 at 09:24
There are many things to look at, but not on a statistical basis. This one cop has to be examined, his story placed under a microscope. The dead man must also be looked at. This particular young man shoved a store owner, did he rob him, did he refuse to show ID for a purchase? All we get from the video is a picture of aggression.
I’m not willing to say this cop shot because many cops are bad, any more then I’m willing to say all Irish are X, all Mexicans are Y, all African Americans are Z. I’d like to give he authorities time to uncover all the facts, not react based on any prejudice.
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 09:52
You don’t seem to notice that in the video the clerk put his hands on Brown FIRST, and that’s when Brown shoved him. The clerk was the first aggressor.
“I’d like to give he authorities time to uncover all the facts, not react based on any prejudice.” That’s funny. The citizens of Ferguson would like to see all the facts uncovered, but they don’t have confidence that the FPD is trying to uncover the facts. They believe the opposite, and that’s what this is all about. They have REASON to distrust the FPD.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/19/missouri-cops-license-to-kill.html
JeffreyPtr August 19th, 2014 at 12:19
Their lack of confidence is one issue, the mob’s interest in instant justice based on rumor is another. The earliest rumors said Mr. Brown was shot in the back, we now know he wasn’t. Witness statements are conflicting some say Mr. Brown was surrendering some say he was charging, so we don’t have clear answers yet.
The mother described her son as a gentle giant, the video shows he was quite capable of using his size and strength against others. Without audio we don’t know what was said in that store or if the owner had a right to try to stop Mr. Brown from leaving or if he was in fact trying to stop him.
I don’t know if the FPD has any history of problems with its community or not. Perhaps it does, but the behavior of others doesn’t automatically translate into Mr. Wilson being guilty of anything.
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:56
We do NOT know that. Mr. Brown was being shot at as he ran away. Witnesses state that. Even his friend did NOT say he was shot in the back. He said he heard a shot, Brown stopped, raised his hands and turned around.
It is possible that the bullet grazed the medial aspect of Brown’s right arm from back to front depending upon the arm position at the time the bullet hit him. THAT may have caused him to stop and turn.
You don’t KNOW if the FPD has problems?
Perhaps you should listen to the multiple stories from the people in Ferguson regarding police stops, interrogations while coming home from shopping, kids getting hassled walking from school. 97% of stops were in the African American community!
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:53
We have not heard his story. We have no information at all on any of the crime scene evidence. We have no police report.
THIS is transparency?
IF Michael Brown had killed DarrenWilson, he’d already be dead.
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:52
Lets see if anything changes tonight. The cops are wanting to keep the media totally away from anything that might happen. Because THEY can’t handle the crowd the way they want, they don’t want it recorded.
$92709528 August 19th, 2014 at 12:40
It’s legal to buy tobacco at 18.
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:51
This has to be the most singularly STUPID comment on this entire thread.
barefoot bob August 19th, 2014 at 06:37
Has anyone thought to ask the clerk what transpired ? Could answer a lot of questions.
Baakus August 19th, 2014 at 11:50
The fact that the police haven’t questioned him just shows that it would probably hurt their story. If Brown did indeed rob the store in a violent manner, then why wouldn’t the police simply get the cashier to confirm ASAP and make Brown look like a bad guy?
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:50
Did you see the Ferguson PD chief?
If he got any whiter – he’d absolutely give off light.
He has a meme .. he will say/do anything to make it look that way.
barefoot bob August 19th, 2014 at 06:37
Has anyone thought to ask the clerk what transpired ? Could answer a lot of questions.
Baakus August 19th, 2014 at 11:50
The fact that the police haven’t questioned him just shows that it would probably hurt their story. If Brown did indeed rob the store in a violent manner, then why wouldn’t the police simply get the cashier to confirm ASAP and make Brown look like a bad guy?
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:50
Did you see the Ferguson PD chief?
If he got any whiter – he’d absolutely give off light.
He has a meme .. he will say/do anything to make it look that way.
John Tarter August 19th, 2014 at 06:53
Good try, but you cannot explain away what is really on the video. Despite Sharptons claim that he was only shoplifting, this is still stealing in my book. As for the autopsy, I heard Dr. Baden himself say that all the wounds were caused by FRONTAL entry. You libs will stop at noting to deny the truth.
raincheck August 19th, 2014 at 07:15
“Sharptons claim that he was only shoplifting” isn’t a denial of him “stealing” (which is STILL irrelevant to him being killed) Baden ALSO said one of the wounds could have been caused by a bullet from behind… What difference does it make if the bullets came from the front or from behind? The real crime is a cop killing an unarmed man… another crime being committed here is people like you thinking this is all OK
John Tarter August 19th, 2014 at 07:35
And I have one more question. Why didn’t Michael Brown’s friend not get shot? I mean if this cop just shot Mr. Brown for no good reason, why didn’t he just go ahead and shoot the other guy?
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 08:30
If you notice the diagram where the bullets struck Brown, it looks like the cop had to empty his clip before he got the last two shots where he wanted them. By that time, the other guy was hiding, and the cop realized the neighbors were watching…and recording him, as he paced by the body, looking at his handy work…
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:49
I think he was pacing because his adrenalin had reduced – and he was thinking “damn why didn’t I use the throwdown gun I had in my sock”?
I believe he killed Brown because he perceived him as a threat (right or wrong) – anytime a body is in a “gunfight” (even tho there was only ONE gun) -adrenalin is pumped into the body. When it leaves, it can leave a person “drained”.
I believe the cop overreacted – he conducted a panicked execution and he realized he couldn’t cover it up.
The way the police treated the body was disgusting…
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:46
No one said he shot Mr. Brown for no good reason. Unlike YOU, we don’t know the entire story. According to his friend, he was hiding behind a car.
I believe the ME stated the gun could hold up to 12 shots. There is at least one shot that was found in a house. There were “at least” 6 shots for Michael Brown.
I don’t believe Wilson was re-enacting the Gunfight At the OK Corral. He shot Brown, repeatedly … if there was a confrontation at the car, he wouldn’t have gone after the other guy – he would have gone after the one who scuffled with him at the car. His attention was on Brown. The focus was on Brown. The other guy was not perceived as a threat.
Can’t have it both ways TaterTot. As hard as you try, you are still wrong and incredibly prejudiced.
dave-dr-gonzo August 19th, 2014 at 13:15
Am I the only one who believes Tater Teat doesn’t like, um, ahem, “blah” people (as Atrios says)?
John Tarter August 19th, 2014 at 14:30
Ah, so you admit there was some sort of confrontation at the car, and the possibilities exists that this could be a totally justifiable shooting.
And now we can also see that the hands up and surrendering And him getting shot in the back claim holds no water.
Leysin August 25th, 2014 at 16:27
The autopsy confirms that Brown had bullet wounds on his arm that appears to been inflicted while his arms were raised. Also the grazing wound that was also noted could be why Brown surrendered with his hands up and turned around to face the officer. The autopsy also indicate that Brown was shot twice in the head which could mean that he was on his knees when he got hit in the head. Unless Officer Wilson was aiming for a head shot when shooting Brown, it is more conceivable that Officer Wilson was indiscriminately firing his gun at Brown even after Brown had surrender and turned around to give himself up. But I’m sure the only one still holding water for the action of a murderous cop is you. Depending on some limitation officers are not allowed to shoot at unarmed fleeing suspects. I don’t know what Missouri actually has on the books but would be curious to know and what the Supreme Court has to say.
PNUT1 August 19th, 2014 at 13:14
He was hiding behind a car. Besides, there is a one ” darkie ” per day bag limit for the FPD .
Leysin August 25th, 2014 at 15:56
Apparently Brown’s friend was not running away, so he was spared. Officer Wilson only decided to kill Brown after trying to escape. It is conceivable that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson. Rather there was a struggle with a gun has no bearing since Officer Wilson still had complete control of the weapon at the time of the shooting. So we are left to believe the accounts of witnesses saying that Brown was running away from the officer when Officer Wilson took chase and fired shoots at Brown. Witnesses also say that Brown had his hands up when officer finally shot him down.
Since autopsy confirms a grazing shot, it is conceivable that Brown stopped funning after being hit and turned around to surrender with his hands up. But Office Wilson continued firing shots at Brown leave additional wounds, twice to Browns head ultimately killing him. Subsequent autopsy report from forensic investigator hired by Brown’s family also noted that Brown’s right arm had bullet wounds giving the impression that his arm was raised during the shooting. The official autopsy from FBI and Fugerson prosecutor findings are still to be released. Only a trial will shed light as to what happened and why Officer Wilson decide to take his gun out and shot at Brown. But before justice is served, Wilson needs to be accountable and charged with Brown’s death.
John Tarter August 19th, 2014 at 07:41
Not okay, but as more come out maybe the shooting was legally justifiable. We are all speculating. Maybe we should step back and let the legal system do its thing.
raincheck August 19th, 2014 at 07:50
You also said…. “And all the previous shots did not slow down the 6 ft, 280 pound
Michael Brown. Let’s see, you are an average size cop, have a weapon
and a large man is rushing you in a rage, what DO YOU DO?”…. “Rushing you in a rage?” REALLY?
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:41
Tater is the ONLY one (aside from Wilson’s female defender who anonymously phoned a RADIO STATION to give his side of the story) who believes that Brown was “rushing him in a rage”.’
Of course the witnesses all say that Brown turned around with his hands raised but shooting him is apparently justified because he was Walking While Black.
PNUT1 August 19th, 2014 at 13:11
Who in the hell is going to run at someone with a taser, baton, mace, and a gun ?
That “marijuana” made him crazy talk reminds me of that stupid “Reefer Madness” movie, pure fiction. Marijuana stays in the body for a while, you don’t have to be high to test positive. Dr. Baden should know that.
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 08:26
“Maybe we should step back and let the legal system do its thing.” Exactly HOW are we preventing the legal system from “do[ing] its thing”? “…maybe the shooting was legally justifiable.” And maybe it wasn’t. You cons keep coming to the libs blogs and telling us how wrong we are, how uninformed we are. Why? Here is a blog for folks who think like you: http://www.breitbart.com/ You’ll feel right at home over there.
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:40
Haters gotta hate – To a racist like Tater, defending a dead victim over a cop IS preventing the legal system from working.
WHAT legal system?
A prosecutor whose entire family is cops and his father was killed in the line of duty by a black man? IMPARTIAL.
Even the Bar Association has asked the Prosecutor to recuse himself but he’s got to get that cop off .. because his bias and prejudice has blinded him to actual justice.
arc99 August 19th, 2014 at 09:56
just like shooting another lawbreaker Cliven Bundy would have been legally justifiable?
oh no of course not, Cliven Bundy is a patriot, and white too.
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:38
And old .. very old …
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:38
Backing down there TaterTot?
It is not legal to gun down an unarmed man. Sorry – even if he was “walking while black” .. I know that tightens your whities, but we are still a country of laws and this cop went over the line.
As it is, his career is done – (fortunately for the community) but he took Michael Brown’s life and doesn’t matter how much whining and bleating – what he did was wrong, bad judgment and he should not get away with it.
I’m sure he is regretting not using his “drop gun” before witnesses arrived. That way he could have accused the dead man of attempting to shoot him.
Patrick August 19th, 2014 at 11:25
There is a difference. If the shots are in front the police office could say he was coming at him and feared for his life. Saying that he was high is basically giving the doubt that the first few shots (non head shots) didn’t stop him thus he had to shoot him in the head. The fact that there were 6 shots is actually better than 2. Six shots make it sound panic driven where as 1 or 2 shots would look more execution style. If he were shot in the back everything goes out the window as it is a high chance it is in cold blood (unless he were fleeing). There is too much speculation on both sides right now when nobody knows what really went on. Hopefully a non partial investigation can help clear things up.
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:33
People on marijuana do NOT become violent….they take up guitar playing and singing – and they eat.
And from the trajectory of the head shots, he was either down or going down when the bullets entered his eye and the TOP of his head.
Overkill .. it’s why that word “overkill” exists.
Patrick August 20th, 2014 at 10:15
People who are violent will still be violent on MJ. Not saying he was violent as I have no clue. I like 99.99% of the US population had never heard of this dude before this incident. Additionally, just because MJ has a tendency to mellow some people out doesn’t mean it does for everyone. MJ does nothing at all for me. I have seen many fights from people when both were on MJ.
Define Overkill? If you are defending yourself when someone is coming after you that does not drop after a bullet do you just stop because it is overkill? Would you not fire again to make sure if they stop. What if they still don’t. Perhaps you should just stop firing so that person can continue on and kill you since it is overkill to try to stop them.
The investigation is getting picked up by the US government and is no longer being done by the local government.
Again though, I am not saying Brown was at fault, I am not saying the officer was at fault. I am just saying that people are stupid to think they know everything about what went on because there are only two people that do and one of them is now dead.
Hopefully an investigation done by an impartial source will determine what really happened. Hopefully the family gets closure
simrdown August 19th, 2014 at 12:26
And you conservatives will stop at nothing to justify the killing of any black man.
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:32
Yes TaterTot hates him anyone of color, especially if the victim is BIGGER than the Tater. Small white man syndrome. Probably old too.
dave-dr-gonzo August 19th, 2014 at 13:13
Tater Teat?
Steve Shay August 19th, 2014 at 13:06
Yeah, right. Meanwhile in liberal Chicago nearly 200 black men have been murdered so far in 2014. Where is the outrage? What is our president and Eric Holder doing about it?
dave-dr-gonzo August 19th, 2014 at 13:13
State’s rights. Next door Indiana’s permissive gun sales. There is little Obama and Holder can do about Chicago or the underlying issues that are causing the mayhem. OTOH, it almost seems as if Illinois’ GOPers — and their fellow confederates in Illinois — are adamant about keeping law enforcement’s hands tied and doing nothing about the matter. After all, the victims are overwhelmingly blah, and nice white folk know thay don’t deserve peaceful communities.
Phil Ryan August 19th, 2014 at 13:22
once again, the strawman argument from the know nothing brigade… if you had taken the time you would know (you people know nothing so I don’t know why I even say that) that this president has spoken out against black on black violence and murder in Chicago and many urban cities. You have just had your tinfoil hat on watching Fox News and going lah, lah, lah, when you don’t like something you hear. You should know these things, but of course you would rather wallow in the cess pool that is your world.
BonniefromChi August 19th, 2014 at 15:12
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eric-holder-chicago-gun-violence-atf-agents
BTW, there is plenty of outrage about the gun violence in Chicago. We are not an island, and guns are easily, and frequently, transported into Chicago from other states and from just outside city limits where Republicans rule and make sure no one’ s 2A “rights” are being infringed by limiting gun sales.
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:31
The penalty for stealing, robbery, shoplifting is NOT execution by cop without a trial. Even if the suspect IS black (I know that rips your shorts).
Dr. Baden’s assistant ME also stated that the wounds on the arms could also have happened if the arms were raised, if the arms were positioned in a defensive position across the face and a variety of other arm positions were also possible.
Try again TaterTot.
Tammy Minton Haley August 19th, 2014 at 13:07
doesn’t matter if he shoplifted some cigars…the penalty for shoplifting is not immediate execution by lone-wolf renegade cop…
dave-dr-gonzo August 19th, 2014 at 13:10
On the contrary — the video demplishes the Ferguson PD “strongarm robbery” narrative. You can clearly see payment being made.
R.J. Carter August 19th, 2014 at 14:08
Dave, I’ve looked at it several times, and I can’t clearly see any transaction happening. I see him getting the cigars from behind the counter, because that’s where they are, then dropping something, picking it up, and then the clerk coming out from behind the counter, hand out and empty.
John Tarter August 19th, 2014 at 06:53
Good try, but you cannot explain away what is really on the video. The story here even says: “While it is difficult to be 100% certain”. And despite Sharpton`s claim that he was only shoplifting, this is still stealing in my book. As for the autopsy, I heard Dr. Baden himself say that all the wounds were caused by FRONTAL entry. You libs will stop at noting to obfuscate the truth.
raincheck August 19th, 2014 at 07:15
“Sharptons claim that he was only shoplifting” isn’t a denial of him “stealing” (which is STILL irrelevant to him being killed) Baden ALSO said one of the wounds could have been caused by a bullet from behind… What difference does it make if the bullets came from the front or from behind? The real crime is a cop killing an unarmed man… another crime being committed here is people like you thinking this is all OK
John Tarter August 19th, 2014 at 07:35
And I have one more question. Why didn’t Michael Brown’s friend not get shot? I mean if this cop just shot Mr. Brown for no good reason, why didn’t he just go ahead and shoot the other guy?
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 08:30
If you notice the diagram where the bullets struck Brown, it looks like the cop had to empty his clip before he got the last two shots where he wanted them. By that time, the other guy was hiding, and the cop realized the neighbors were watching…and recording him, as he paced by the body, looking at his handy work…
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:49
I think he was pacing because his adrenalin had reduced – and he was thinking “damn why didn’t I use the throwdown gun I had in my sock”?
I believe he killed Brown because he perceived him as a threat (right or wrong) – anytime a body is in a “gunfight” (even tho there was only ONE gun) -adrenalin is pumped into the body. When it leaves, it can leave a person “drained”.
I believe the cop overreacted – he conducted a panicked execution and he realized he couldn’t cover it up.
The way the police treated the body was disgusting…
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:46
No one said he shot Mr. Brown for no good reason. Unlike YOU, we don’t know the entire story. According to his friend, he was hiding behind a car.
I believe the ME stated the gun could hold up to 12 shots. There is at least one shot that was found in a house. There were “at least” 6 shots for Michael Brown.
I don’t believe Wilson was re-enacting the Gunfight At the OK Corral. He shot Brown, repeatedly … if there was a confrontation at the car, he wouldn’t have gone after the other guy – he would have gone after the one who scuffled with him at the car. His attention was on Brown. The focus was on Brown. The other guy was not perceived as a threat.
Can’t have it both ways TaterTot. As hard as you try, you are still wrong and incredibly prejudiced.
dave-dr-gonzo August 19th, 2014 at 13:15
Am I the only one who believes Tater Teat doesn’t like, um, ahem, “blah” people (as Atrios says)?
John Tarter August 19th, 2014 at 14:30
Ah, so you admit there was some sort of confrontation at the car, and the possibilities exists that this could be a totally justifiable shooting.
And now we can also see that the hands up and surrendering And him getting shot in the back claim holds no water.
Leysin August 25th, 2014 at 16:27
The autopsy confirms that Brown had bullet wounds on his arm that appears to been inflicted while his arms were raised. Also the grazing wound that was also noted could be why Brown surrendered with his hands up and turned around to face the officer. The autopsy also indicate that Brown was shot twice in the head which could mean that he was on his knees when he got hit in the head. Unless Officer Wilson was aiming for a head shot when shooting Brown, it is more conceivable that Officer Wilson was indiscriminately firing his gun at Brown even after Brown had surrender and turned around to give himself up. But I’m sure the only one still holding water for the action of a murderous cop is you. Depending on some limitation officers are not allowed to shoot at unarmed fleeing suspects. I don’t know what Missouri actually has on the books but would be curious to know and what the Supreme Court has to say.
PNUT1 August 19th, 2014 at 13:14
He was hiding behind a car. Besides, there is a one ” darkie ” per day bag limit for the FPD .
Leysin August 25th, 2014 at 15:56
Apparently Brown’s friend was not running away, so he was spared. Officer Wilson only decided to kill Brown after trying to escape. It is conceivable that there was a struggle between Brown and Wilson. Rather there was a struggle with a gun has no bearing since Officer Wilson still had complete control of the weapon at the time of the shooting. So we are left to believe the accounts of witnesses saying that Brown was running away from the officer when Officer Wilson took chase and fired shoots at Brown. Witnesses also say that Brown had his hands up when officer finally shot him down.
Since autopsy confirms a grazing shot, it is conceivable that Brown stopped funning after being hit and turned around to surrender with his hands up. But Office Wilson continued firing shots at Brown leave additional wounds, twice to Browns head ultimately killing him. Subsequent autopsy report from forensic investigator hired by Brown’s family also noted that Brown’s right arm had bullet wounds giving the impression that his arm was raised during the shooting. The official autopsy from FBI and Fugerson prosecutor findings are still to be released. Only a trial will shed light as to what happened and why Officer Wilson decide to take his gun out and shot at Brown. But before justice is served, Wilson needs to be accountable and charged with Brown’s death.
John Tarter August 19th, 2014 at 07:41
Not okay, but as more come out maybe the shooting was legally justifiable. We are all speculating. Maybe we should step back and let the legal system do its thing.
raincheck August 19th, 2014 at 07:50
You also said…. “And all the previous shots did not slow down the 6 ft, 280 pound
Michael Brown. Let’s see, you are an average size cop, have a weapon
and a large man is rushing you in a rage, what DO YOU DO?”…. “Rushing you in a rage?” REALLY?
EDIT: Taze him? (if this was the case).. Your comment is just more evidence, of Republicans living in fear of people that aren’t the same color they are… just like the (open carry) jerks that wanted to walk through a “black neighborhood” with assault weapons slung over their shoulders (to show them how well armed they are) I believe that’s where the “Stand your ground” laws are rooted…it has a lot to do with fear (among other reasons) I would bet the (white) local City Government folks are pretty nervous right now, judging by the (WAY over the top) reaction at the very beginning of this whole thing…
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:41
Tater is the ONLY one (aside from Wilson’s female defender who anonymously phoned a RADIO STATION to give his side of the story) who believes that Brown was “rushing him in a rage”.’
Of course the witnesses all say that Brown turned around with his hands raised but shooting him is apparently justified because he was Walking While Black.
PNUT1 August 19th, 2014 at 13:11
Who in the hell is going to run at someone with a taser, baton, mace, and a gun ?
That “marijuana” made him crazy talk reminds me of that stupid “Reefer Madness” movie, pure fiction. Marijuana stays in the body for a while, you don’t have to be high to test positive. Dr. Baden should know that.
Yenta August 19th, 2014 at 08:26
“Maybe we should step back and let the legal system do its thing.” Exactly HOW are we preventing the legal system from “do[ing] its thing”? “…maybe the shooting was legally justifiable.” And maybe it wasn’t. You cons keep coming to the libs blogs and telling us how wrong we are, how uninformed we are. Why? Here is a blog for folks who think like you: http://www.breitbart.com/ You’ll feel right at home over there.
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:40
Haters gotta hate – To a racist like Tater, defending a dead victim over a cop IS preventing the legal system from working.
WHAT legal system?
A prosecutor whose entire family is cops and his father was killed in the line of duty by a black man? IMPARTIAL.
Even the Bar Association has asked the Prosecutor to recuse himself but he’s got to get that cop off .. because his bias and prejudice has blinded him to actual justice.
arc99 August 19th, 2014 at 09:56
just like shooting another lawbreaker Cliven Bundy would have been legally justifiable?
oh no of course not, Cliven Bundy is a patriot, and white too.
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:38
And old .. very old …
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:38
Backing down there TaterTot?
It is not legal to gun down an unarmed man. Sorry – even if he was “walking while black” .. I know that tightens your whities, but we are still a country of laws and this cop went over the line.
As it is, his career is done – (fortunately for the community) but he took Michael Brown’s life and doesn’t matter how much whining and bleating – what he did was wrong, bad judgment and he should not get away with it.
I’m sure he is regretting not using his “drop gun” before witnesses arrived. That way he could have accused the dead man of attempting to shoot him.
Patrick August 19th, 2014 at 11:25
There is a difference. If the shots are in front the police office could say he was coming at him and feared for his life. Saying that he was high is basically giving the doubt that the first few shots (non head shots) didn’t stop him thus he had to shoot him in the head. The fact that there were 6 shots is actually better than 2. Six shots make it sound panic driven where as 1 or 2 shots would look more execution style. If he were shot in the back everything goes out the window as it is a high chance it is in cold blood (unless he were fleeing). There is too much speculation on both sides right now when nobody knows what really went on. Hopefully a non partial investigation can help clear things up.
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:33
People on marijuana do NOT become violent….they take up guitar playing and singing – and they eat.
And from the trajectory of the head shots, he was either down or going down when the bullets entered his eye and the TOP of his head.
Overkill .. it’s why that word “overkill” exists.
Not to argue with you, but what makes you think there will be a impartial investigation? Especially with that incredibly biased and police involved Prosecutor who seems to have it “in” for the black community.
Patrick August 20th, 2014 at 10:15
People who are violent will still be violent on MJ. Not saying he was violent as I have no clue. I like 99.99% of the US population had never heard of this dude before this incident. Additionally, just because MJ has a tendency to mellow some people out doesn’t mean it does for everyone. MJ does nothing at all for me. I have seen many fights from people when both were on MJ.
Define Overkill? If you are defending yourself when someone is coming after you that does not drop after a bullet do you just stop because it is overkill? Would you not fire again to make sure if they stop. What if they still don’t. Perhaps you should just stop firing so that person can continue on and kill you since it is overkill to try to stop them.
The investigation is getting picked up by the US government and is no longer being done by the local government.
Again though, I am not saying Brown was at fault, I am not saying the officer was at fault. I am just saying that people are stupid to think they know everything about what went on because there are only two people that do and one of them is now dead.
Hopefully an investigation done by an impartial source will determine what really happened. Hopefully the family gets closure
simrdown August 19th, 2014 at 12:26
And you conservatives will stop at nothing to justify the killing of any black man.
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:32
Yes TaterTot hates him anyone of color, especially if the victim is BIGGER than the Tater. Small white man syndrome. Probably old too.
dave-dr-gonzo August 19th, 2014 at 13:13
Tater Teat?
Steve Shay August 19th, 2014 at 13:06
Yeah, right. Meanwhile in liberal Chicago nearly 200 black men have been murdered so far in 2014. Where is the outrage? What is our president and Eric Holder doing about it?
dave-dr-gonzo August 19th, 2014 at 13:13
State’s rights. Next door Indiana’s permissive gun sales. There is little Obama and Holder can do about Chicago or the underlying issues that are causing the mayhem. OTOH, it almost seems as if Illinois’ GOPers — and their fellow confederates in Illinois — are adamant about keeping law enforcement’s hands tied and doing nothing about the matter. After all, the victims are overwhelmingly blah, and nice white folk know thay don’t deserve peaceful communities.
Phil Ryan August 19th, 2014 at 13:22
once again, the strawman argument from the know nothing brigade… if you had taken the time you would know (you people know nothing so I don’t know why I even say that) that this president has spoken out against black on black violence and murder in Chicago and many urban cities. You have just had your tinfoil hat on watching Fox News and going lah, lah, lah, when you don’t like something you hear. You should know these things, but of course you would rather wallow in the cess pool that is your world.
BonniefromChi August 19th, 2014 at 15:12
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eric-holder-chicago-gun-violence-atf-agents
BTW, there is plenty of outrage about the gun violence in Chicago. We are not an island, and guns are easily, and frequently, transported into Chicago from other states and from just outside city limits where Republicans rule and make sure no one’ s 2A “rights” are being infringed by limiting gun sales.
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:31
The penalty for stealing, robbery, shoplifting is NOT execution by cop without a trial. Even if the suspect IS black (I know that rips your shorts).
Dr. Baden’s assistant ME also stated that the wounds on the arms could also have happened if the arms were raised, if the arms were positioned in a defensive position across the face and a variety of other arm positions were also possible.
Try again TaterTot.
Tammy Minton Haley August 19th, 2014 at 13:07
doesn’t matter if he shoplifted some cigars…the penalty for shoplifting is not immediate execution by lone-wolf renegade cop…
dave-dr-gonzo August 19th, 2014 at 13:10
On the contrary — the video demplishes the Ferguson PD “strongarm robbery” narrative. You can clearly see payment being made.
R.J. Carter August 19th, 2014 at 14:08
Dave, I’ve looked at it several times, and I can’t clearly see any transaction happening. I see him getting the cigars from behind the counter, because that’s where they are, then dropping something, picking it up, and then the clerk coming out from behind the counter, hand out and empty.
raincheck August 19th, 2014 at 07:19
I’m not sure what to think about the video… There seems to be some confusion going on. It looks like after Mr. Brown picked up what he dropped, the clerk appears to come from behind the counter in a confrontational manner.. it could just be me.. The biggest problem with this video is… it has NOTHING to do with the fact he was gunned down!!!! Lots of questions left unanswered.. Why hasn’t anyone questioned the clerk? Why didn’t the clerk come forward? I’d heard the friend who was with him admitted that Mr. Brown had stolen some cigars.. All of these questions are MEANINGLESS!! Because it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the “Killer Cop” gunning him down!!!
Baakus August 19th, 2014 at 11:48
It’s important because if the footage is accurate and there wasn’t anything close to a “strong arm robbery,” then the Ferugon PD’s credibility is completely shot and we should rightly assume that everything they say is a self-serving lie.
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:29
The Ferguson PD’s credibility has been shot since Michael Brown was gunned down in the streets and left there for hours, like a dead dog.
raincheck August 19th, 2014 at 07:19
I’m not sure what to think about the video… There seems to be some confusion going on. It looks like after Mr. Brown picked up what he dropped, the clerk appears to come from behind the counter in a confrontational manner.. it could just be me.. The biggest problem with this video is… it has NOTHING to do with the fact he was gunned down!!!! Lots of questions left unanswered.. Why hasn’t anyone questioned the clerk? Why didn’t the clerk come forward? I’d heard the friend who was with him admitted that Mr. Brown had stolen some cigars.. All of these questions are MEANINGLESS!! Because it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the “Killer Cop” gunning him down!!!
Baakus August 19th, 2014 at 11:48
It’s important because if the footage is accurate and there wasn’t anything close to a “strong arm robbery,” then the Ferugon PD’s credibility is completely shot and we should rightly assume that everything they say is a self-serving lie.
BanditBasheert August 19th, 2014 at 12:29
The Ferguson PD’s credibility has been shot since Michael Brown was gunned down in the streets and left there for hours, like a dead dog.
Swarmi August 19th, 2014 at 08:00
And Al Gore had sex with him too. Check the tape.
Swarmi August 19th, 2014 at 08:00
And Al Gore had sex with him too. Check the tape.
Chris Banks August 19th, 2014 at 09:27
This guy looks like a criminal …plus the video shows he is shop lifting,and that’s stealing …I don’t care if he is armed or not,if this guy has access to gun,I’m sure he will involve in a robbery,I’m wondering why blacks so much involve in crime,I just hate being a black guy
Khary A August 19th, 2014 at 09:30
wait a minute what?
The last of the Thousad Sons August 19th, 2014 at 09:30
wait a minute what?