UPDATED: Anonymous Outs Officer In Brown Shooting; Identity In Doubt
UPDATE, 2:33pmEST: Anonymous’ official #OpFerguson Twitter account are reporting that the name of a Ferguson police officer released by another Anonymous activist’s account is not the same as that of the officer that they have independently identified as the officer who shot Michael Brown last week.
UPDATE, 12:59pmEST: Raw Story reports that the Saint Louis Police are saying that the officer named by Anonymous is not the officer who shot Michael Brown.
This morning at 9amEST, Anonymous has named the Ferguson, MO police officer who they allege shot Michael Brown in an incident that has triggered nearly a week of protests. At 11amEST, they released a photograph of officer Bryan Willman, and are threatening to release additional information about the officer unless the Ferguson police department responds.
PHOTO: WILLMAN, BRYAN P. #Ferguson #Shooting #MikeBrown #Anonymous pic.twitter.com/q3mspGpiTK
— TheAnonMessage (@TheAnonMessage) August 14, 2014
BREAKING NEWS: The name of the officer who shot #MikeBrown – NAME: OFFICER WILLMAN, BRYAN P. , Respondent – #Ferguson #Anonymous — TheAnonMessage (@TheAnonMessage) August 14, 2014
NEXT RELEASES IF @stlcountypd doesn’t respond: 1) PHOTO 2) ADDRESS w/ PHOTO 3) FULL D0X #Anonymous #Ferguson
— TheAnonMessage (@TheAnonMessage) August 14, 2014
AT 10:00 AM CT – PHOTO WILL BE RELEASED. (If no response) — TheAnonMessage (@TheAnonMessage) August 14, 2014
AT 12:00PM CT – Address will be released. (If no response)
— TheAnonMessage (@TheAnonMessage) August 14, 2014
At 2:00PM CT – FULL D0X will be released (if no response) — TheAnonMessage (@TheAnonMessage) August 14, 2014
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David Hirsch, a.k.a. Dave "Doctor" Gonzo*, is a renegade record producer, video producer, writer, reformed corporate shill, and still-registered lobbyist for non-one-percenter performing artists and musicians. He lives in a heavily fortified compound in one of Manhattan's less trendy neighborhoods.
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R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 09:15
Most people would call this a hostage situation. I hope it’s dealt with as such by the authorities.
Carla Akins August 14th, 2014 at 09:22
Agreed, I’m afraid this will only make an already tenuous situation worse. Of course if law enforcement and city officials had handled this better from the onset we wouldn’t need to be having this conversation.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 09:27
The FBI could have stepped in more quickly, although 48 hours after the event is still pretty quick in our justice system.
But as to the PD releasing the officer’s name, I don’t believe they release the name of any suspect in any crime until the person has been charged.
Carla Akins August 14th, 2014 at 09:49
I think local law enforcement could have handled it, should have been able to do better than they did. I feel much of this could have been averted – the whole thing had a cover-up vibe from the beginning. Then it was just mishandled over and over.
Oh Geez August 14th, 2014 at 10:28
local law enforcement is the problem!! “Let’s investigate ourselves to see if we’ve done anything wrong.” Yeah, that’s a great idea.
Carla Akins August 14th, 2014 at 12:00
I agree that they are – I’m saying even if the shooting is/was justified, their handling of the event is what caused this situation.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:56
Did you see those guys? Pointing long guns at toddlers? They are using fear and intimidation against people who are protesting – the ONLY rioting was on the part of the cops. This is not how you handle a situation. Aside from the first night, there was no rioting other than on the side of the cops.
Carla Akins August 14th, 2014 at 12:04
I agree – my comment was intended to speak of the shooting from the very beginning. Their failure to take ownership and handle this properly (regardless of responsibility) is what created this ongoing situation we have now.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:53
I disagree – how could the FBI have stepped in? The FBI cannot just go into a state and take over. The Governor is too busy “praying” to even show up – he could called the National Guard (oh that will help .. not) … the only people rioting last night were the police. That was what was strange. Cops were way out of line .. considering they were the ones causing the problems. The cops need to ratchet down their provocations. They are pretending to be the adults….but they are causing the problems. They were obviously untrained and over eager. Situations like this must be diffused – not escalated at the instigation of the police.
DD August 16th, 2014 at 02:41
I believe that the FBI must be asked to come in by either the police department or the governor. They cannot just jump into a local situation when it is not a federal crime being investigated.
dave-dr-gonzo August 14th, 2014 at 09:28
It is, and I’m sure you’ll see a federal response. OTOH, where is the federal response to “police officers” rioting and attacking journalists and citizens exercising their legitimate first amendment rights — cops dressed in full military regalia? This isn’t Pinochet’s Chile, but it’s looking more like it every day.
Plus, betcha we find out at least a few of the fine police officers invilved have ties to racist and white supremist groups.
Anomaly 100 August 14th, 2014 at 09:29
That’s a sucker’s bet. I’m sure some are involved with dubious groups.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 09:29
Attacking journalists? You mean responding to the call from McDonald’s to police to remove non-customers occupying space and using their wifi?
White supremacist groups? Really? You’re better than that kind of dangerous conjecture.
Anomaly 100 August 14th, 2014 at 09:34
Reporters aren’t allowed there at all. Al Jazeera, Huffington Post and Washington post reporters have been arrested and/or assaulted
dave-dr-gonzo August 14th, 2014 at 09:38
Hi RJ – not referring to McDonald’s, but the teargassing of a news crew from Al bJazeera America.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 09:43
Okay, that’s a separate issue. The McDonald’s event was fresh on my mind because of last night. That was directed at the reporters, or at the crowd that the reporters were in? (Even local reporters here are delivering live reports while coughing because it’s in the air, but haven’t been the actual “targets” of the CS.)
Flying Goat August 14th, 2014 at 09:51
The journalists arrested at McDonalds claim they were customers, actually, which isn’t exactly far fetched.
Pookabun August 14th, 2014 at 10:19
Except the journalists were leaving, as they had been asked to, and were then – yes – attacked by those police (slammed into things, threatened, etc) while being arrested. In fact I believe that journalists, including the two arrested, had been working out of that McDonalds for days (with no complaints on the part of the staff or anyone else that I know of). If there was a legitimate issue, why were the journalists released with no charges and why did the police refuse to give their names?
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:38
Rousting by cop. Happens all the time. Why were those police pointing weapons at people sitting peacefully and demonstrating. And where is that stupid Governor?
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:37
That’s a lie. The McDonalds was quiet – there were several customers in there and the journalists were charging phones. The demonstration was blocks away.
There was NO phone call from McDonalds..that is simply another RushBot babble point … they had been there for several days and even the manage was surprised when the Gestapo shut the place down as there had been no issues until they arrived.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 10:43
Link to interview with McDonald’s manager? (You have one right? You wouldn’t simply posit this via righteous anger without substantiation, right? Right?) Because protocol for this kind of restaurant eviction is that the manager tells people to leave twice and then makes a phone call.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:49
Why are YOU not angry with out of control police? Why do you take the part of an officer who murders?
Oh wait … the man who was murdered was black. That justifies your defense of a cop who kills….. because he can.
Oh Geez August 14th, 2014 at 10:50
Have another sip of tea.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:51
The white rage seethes …
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:06
Like many, I believe the reporters – who have given their statements regarding how it happened. The store was doing a normal business, away from the demonstration and the manager expressed surprise when he was told to shut the place down during their arrest.
Show me where the manager called the police? Just another RW lie.
Oh Geez August 14th, 2014 at 10:49
Quit watching Faux News. McDonald’s didn’t call the police. The police came in on their own, left, and then came back when they decided businesses needed to close. The journalists were leaving when one was assaulted by yet another rogue cop.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:50
Fox News, Hannity, Rush … that’s where all of his facts come from. But you’re right, the manager did NOT call the police and in fact was surprised when the police demanded he shut the place down.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:35
At some point, people fight back. This is one of those situations. The true hostages are the innocent people living in Ferguson who were gassed last night when the continually lobbing of tear gas came into their homes.
There are laws in this country that assure people an OFFICER will be identified.
Something has to stop this rampant genocide being conducted by police officers against black individuals and black communities.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 10:39
Yes, there are laws — laws that prevent a suspect from being identified until said suspect is charged with a crime.
But due process be damned when cyberterrorists decide they can get justice their own way.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:47
There are laws in every state that provide a police officer (I use the term loosely in the case of this assh8le) be identified when he has murdered/killed someone “in the line of duty”. It is to prevent our local county mounties from killing people without having to be identified – we have a right to know WHO kills people in the name of the City, State or Country.
Look it up.
Cyberterrorists? They’re just doing what the police should have done to begin with. There is a reason that those laws are in place. Shielding a cop who murders is ILLEGAL.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 10:53
That’s the law in California (as recently determined by the courts) unless there’s a valid safety concern. Those policies vary across the country, however.
Oh Geez August 14th, 2014 at 10:59
We have freedom of the press. If the information is known, the press has the freedom to report it. The government has no right to suppress the press. The police may not have to release the information – but once someone knows the information, they have the RIGHT (remember rights??) to report it.
We don’t have Secret Police in the USA. Well, at least we’re not supposed to have Secret Police.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:02
That’s correct. It’s why police can’t hold people incommunicado and must charge them. And we as citizens have a right to know which cop feels it is ok to shoot an unarmed black teen in the back – then while he is on the ground, execute him.
Any time lethal force is used, there should be an investigation. There was obviously attitude involved – police bullying tactics. There were eye witnesses .. why will the police not speak with them?
If the cops don’t want to LOOK dirty, they need to stop covering everything up.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 11:03
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/14/us/missouri-teenager-and-officer-scuffled-before-shooting-chief-says.html?_r=0
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:04
You seriously want this guy to get away with this? Why? Are you so filled with animosity and hatred towards black teens? Or just scared?
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 11:06
If the investigation determines that he’s guilty, then he deserves to go to jail.
Why do you not support equal protection under the law when it comes to police officers?
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:10
THESE are not police officers. These are Gestapo. In our country we have laws that protect us from out of control police. He murdered an unarmed teen. If the teen had murdered the cop, the teen’s name/address would be “out there”.
If you really watched last night,you saw that the only people committing provocation were the riot police. WHAT riot? The only people rioting were the riot police?
Pointing automatic weapons at toddlers? Pointing guns at cars?
If this is how these people “contain” a situation, they need remedial training. We have all seen situation where people are contained without harm. Tear Gas and concussion grenades are in response to riots. There was no rioting other than the police.
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 11:15
To paraphrase Thomas Moore, “while a community must judge in it’s hearts according to it’s wits, in the courts it must judge according to the law.” He also said something about giving the Devil himself benefit of law, not to protect the devil, but to protect himself.
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 11:21
I’m just as afraid of Anonymous as I am of police brutality. From personal experience I can tell you this is a group that isn’t above lying when they think they are on the right side of an issue. Put your trust in them at your own peril.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 11:21
Was Anonymous behind the “doxxing” of another officer here two days ago, posting his Facebook information because they believed he was the cop involved in the shooting? (He wasn’t, and now he and his family are in hiding because of death threats.)
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:28
Who knows? Didn’t see it. I think the police agency should have done the right thing and put it out there immediately. Surely they knew this might happen.
People HATE coverups. People don’t trust the cops .. why would they when stuff like this happens?
Oh Geez August 14th, 2014 at 11:15
And the press has the freedom to report any information they have.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:37
However the people of Ferguson have the constitutional right to peaceful protest. Which is what they did. The police blew the whole thing up – seemingly attempting to cause a riot which never happened.
They did get to shoot off a lot of their new toys though.
Oh Geez August 14th, 2014 at 10:48
And actually, this isn’t a “suspect”. What needs to be determined is if a crime was committed. The cop is paid by the taxpayers, and the taxpayers have a right to know what is happening.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 10:54
Correct. Thanks. Now let’s see if the officer survives long enough for that determination to be made.
NW10 August 14th, 2014 at 10:55
If only that same consideration had been given to Michael Brown.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:58
the kid didn’t…..
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 11:07
So the officer shouldn’t?
Please tell us how you feel, truly, and on the record.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:15
He needs to be investigated – take away his badge – and gun – the investigation must be done by someone other than his department. An outside agency. If it is determined that the shooting was unjustified, he needs to be tried for murder or whatever they believe is appropriate.
But it is very important that an investigation be done by a credible agency. Otherwise no one will believe it is accurate.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 11:20
“He needs to be investigated – take away his badge – and gun”
Done. He’s on administrative leave.
“the investigation must be done by someone other than his department. An outside agency.”
Done. FBI. Not Anonymous.
“If it is determined that the shooting was unjustified, he needs to be tried for murder or whatever they believe is appropriate.”
Agreed.
“But it is very important that an investigation be done by a credible agency.”
Done. FBI. Not Anonymous.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:26
In your position, if you killed someone, you probably wouldn’t be sitting at your desk getting paid while someone investigates you for murder.
No one except the police get placed on Admin Leave with Pay when a civilian is killed.
When someone is being investigated for murder, their name is all over the papers/news/media. Double standard.
FBI? They can only investigate federal crimes. Unless invited. A hate crime possibly. Otherwise Internal Affairs .. which means the killer cop will walk.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 11:27
You may want to refresh your browser and see the front page of this very site.
Jerry Brown August 14th, 2014 at 11:17
Officer? You mean PIG!
Jerry Brown August 14th, 2014 at 11:16
Who gives a shit, he didn’t pause to consider shit before he shot that kid in the back, chest and face.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:57
and that includes his name and badge number.
And police release names of people all the time that are arrested, and many who are never charged.
Go bark up another pole.
“Murdered for being black” IS a crime.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:17
The people who live in Ferguson also have the same right to due process. You seem to continually forget the citizens who are impacted and involved.
The police need training. They do not know how to diffuse this mess. Shooting / killing / tear gas/ concussion grenades are responses to a RIOT. There has been no RIOT for days. People are legally entitled to assemble (including after dark) – a right to peaceful assembly.
The ONLY people out of control are the police.
Dirk Prophet August 14th, 2014 at 11:33
By law, police incident reports are to be made public.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:35
They cover that by not submitted a report. That way they don’t need to name the cop. It’s why when the reporters were released they were told there was “no report”.
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 11:48
There is no version of that law that says they have to serve anyone’s head on a platter in the middle of protests.
Carla Akins August 14th, 2014 at 12:18
Not everywhere. Kansas specifically has a law that states they do not have have to make criminal investigation files available to the public – whether or not anyone is charged. FYI.
Dirk Prophet August 14th, 2014 at 12:42
By law police incident reports are to be made public in Missouri.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 12:45
Citation needed.
Carla Akins August 14th, 2014 at 12:49
But not during an investigation, only after someone is charged or the case is discharged.
Dirk Prophet August 14th, 2014 at 13:43
That’s a different report. The incident report is only about the encounter and not the investigation.
Dirk Prophet August 14th, 2014 at 14:14
http://ago.mo.gov/pdf/MissouriSunshineLaw.pdf
FYI
Oh Geez August 14th, 2014 at 10:43
I hope the “hostage holder” follows through. The public has a right to know what PUBLIC SERVANTS are doing!
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 09:15
Most people would call this a hostage situation. I hope it’s dealt with as such by the authorities.
Carla Akins August 14th, 2014 at 09:22
Agreed, I’m afraid this will only make an already tenuous situation worse. Of course if law enforcement and city officials had handled this better from the onset we wouldn’t need to be having this conversation.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 09:27
The FBI could have stepped in more quickly, although 48 hours after the event is still pretty quick in our justice system.
But as to the PD releasing the officer’s name, I don’t believe they release the name of any suspect in any crime until the person has been charged.
Carla Akins August 14th, 2014 at 09:49
I think local law enforcement could have handled it, should have been able to do better than they did. I feel much of this could have been averted – the whole thing had a cover-up vibe from the beginning. Then it was just mishandled over and over.
Oh Geez August 14th, 2014 at 10:28
local law enforcement is the problem!! “Let’s investigate ourselves to see if we’ve done anything wrong.” Yeah, that’s a great idea.
Carla Akins August 14th, 2014 at 12:00
I agree that they are – I’m saying even if the shooting is/was justified, their handling of the event is what caused this situation.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:56
Did you see those guys? Pointing long guns at toddlers? They are using fear and intimidation against people who are protesting – the ONLY rioting was on the part of the cops. This is not how you handle a situation. Aside from the first night, there was no rioting other than on the side of the cops.
Carla Akins August 14th, 2014 at 12:04
I agree – my comment was intended to speak of the shooting from the very beginning. Their failure to take ownership and handle this properly (regardless of responsibility) is what created this ongoing situation we have now.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:53
I disagree – how could the FBI have stepped in? The FBI cannot just go into a state and take over. The Governor is too busy “praying” to even show up – he could called the National Guard (oh that will help .. not) … the only people rioting last night were the police. That was what was strange. Cops were way out of line .. considering they were the ones causing the problems. The cops need to ratchet down their provocations. They are pretending to be the adults….but they are causing the problems. They were obviously untrained and over eager. Situations like this must be diffused – not escalated at the instigation of the police.
DD August 16th, 2014 at 02:41
I believe that the FBI must be asked to come in by either the police department or the governor. They cannot just jump into a local situation when it is not a federal crime being investigated.
dave-dr-gonzo August 14th, 2014 at 09:28
It is, and I’m sure you’ll see a federal response. OTOH, where is the federal response to “police officers” rioting and attacking journalists and citizens exercising their legitimate first amendment rights — cops dressed in full military regalia? This isn’t Pinochet’s Chile, but it’s looking more like it every day.
Plus, betcha we find out at least a few of the fine police officers invilved have ties to racist and white supremist groups.
Anomaly 100 August 14th, 2014 at 09:29
That’s a sucker’s bet. I’m sure some are involved with dubious groups.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 09:29
Attacking journalists? You mean responding to the call from McDonald’s to police to remove non-customers occupying space and using their wifi?
White supremacist groups? Really? You’re better than that kind of dangerous conjecture.
Anomaly 100 August 14th, 2014 at 09:34
Reporters aren’t allowed there at all. Al Jazeera, Huffington Post and Washington post reporters have been arrested and/or assaulted
dave-dr-gonzo August 14th, 2014 at 09:38
Hi RJ – not referring to McDonald’s, but the teargassing of a news crew from Al bJazeera America.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 09:43
Okay, that’s a separate issue. The McDonald’s event was fresh on my mind because of last night. That was directed at the reporters, or at the crowd that the reporters were in? (Even local reporters here are delivering live reports while coughing because it’s in the air, but haven’t been the actual “targets” of the CS.)
MarcoZandrini August 14th, 2014 at 09:46
So you think the unlawful arrest of the 2 reporters is ok?
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 10:07
How do we know it was unlawful? We don’t have the story of what happened.
Miss A / Alan: Do I have the authority to call the McDonald’s up and say I write for Alan Colmes and I have a few questions about how things went down in your establishment?
Jay Schiavone August 14th, 2014 at 10:31
“How do we know it was unlawful?”
They were released without charge.
MarcoZandrini August 14th, 2014 at 10:31
The wapo reporter posted his story in today’s wapo. I think I’d trust a wapo reporter before I trust a ferguson, mo cop.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:41
Agree – the media is watching this very closely – the cops have taken off their numbers and nametags. I also believe that the cops are setting this up to provoke a riot. Their response last night was over the top … they are supposed to be trained to diffuse situations, not escalate them.
This is not Baghdad .. except of course for the po-Lice weapons they had.
I also would believe the reporters – both of whom were slammed around before I would believe these thuggish over-the-top black hating Gesapo cops.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:40
Oh please – please do. But then please do tell the truth ok? No more spin – no more right wingy “they were violating the law” BS.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:39
Sure he does.
Flying Goat August 14th, 2014 at 09:51
The journalists arrested at McDonalds claim they were customers, actually, which isn’t exactly far fetched.
Pookabun August 14th, 2014 at 10:19
Except the journalists were leaving, as they had been asked to, and were then – yes – attacked by those police (slammed into things, threatened, etc) while being arrested. In fact I believe that journalists, including the two arrested, had been working out of that McDonalds for days (with no complaints on the part of the staff or anyone else that I know of). If there was a legitimate issue, why were the journalists released with no charges and why did the police refuse to give their names?
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:38
Rousting by cop. Happens all the time. Why were those police pointing weapons at people sitting peacefully and demonstrating. And where is that stupid Governor?
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:37
That’s a lie. The McDonalds was quiet – there were several customers in there and the journalists were charging phones. The demonstration was blocks away.
There was NO phone call from McDonalds..that is simply another RushBot babble point … they had been there for several days and even the manage was surprised when the Gestapo shut the place down as there had been no issues until they arrived.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 10:43
Link to interview with McDonald’s manager? (You have one right? You wouldn’t simply posit this via righteous anger without substantiation, right? Right?) Because protocol for this kind of restaurant eviction is that the manager tells people to leave twice and then makes a phone call.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:49
Why are YOU not angry with out of control police? Why do you take the part of an officer who murders?
Oh wait … the man who was murdered was black. That justifies your defense of a cop who kills….. because he can.
Oh Geez August 14th, 2014 at 10:50
Have another sip of tea.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:51
The white rage seethes …
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:06
Like many, I believe the reporters – who have given their statements regarding how it happened. The store was doing a normal business, away from the demonstration and the manager expressed surprise when he was told to shut the place down during their arrest.
Show me where the manager called the police? Just another RW lie.
Oh Geez August 14th, 2014 at 10:49
Quit watching Faux News. McDonald’s didn’t call the police. The police came in on their own, left, and then came back when they decided businesses needed to close. The journalists were leaving when one was assaulted by yet another rogue cop.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:50
Fox News, Hannity, Rush … that’s where all of his facts come from. But you’re right, the manager did NOT call the police and in fact was surprised when the police demanded he shut the place down.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:35
At some point, people fight back. This is one of those situations. The true hostages are the innocent people living in Ferguson who were gassed last night when the continually lobbing of tear gas came into their homes.
There are laws in this country that assure people an OFFICER will be identified.
Something has to stop this rampant genocide being conducted by police officers against black individuals and black communities.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 10:39
Yes, there are laws — laws that prevent a suspect from being identified until said suspect is charged with a crime.
But due process be damned when cyberterrorists decide they can get justice their own way.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:47
There are laws in every state that provide a police officer (I use the term loosely in the case of this assh8le) be identified when he has murdered/killed someone “in the line of duty”. It is to prevent our local county mounties from killing people without having to be identified – we have a right to know WHO kills people in the name of the City, State or Country.
Look it up.
Cyberterrorists? They’re just doing what the police should have done to begin with. There is a reason that those laws are in place. Shielding a cop who murders is ILLEGAL.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 10:53
That’s the law in California (as recently determined by the courts) unless there’s a valid safety concern. Those policies vary across the country, however.
Oh Geez August 14th, 2014 at 10:59
We have freedom of the press. If the information is known, the press has the freedom to report it. The government has no right to suppress the press. The police may not have to release the information – but once someone knows the information, they have the RIGHT (remember rights??) to report it.
We don’t have Secret Police in the USA. Well, at least we’re not supposed to have Secret Police.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:02
That’s correct. It’s why police can’t hold people incommunicado and must charge them. And we as citizens have a right to know which cop feels it is ok to shoot an unarmed black teen in the back – then while he is on the ground, execute him.
Any time lethal force is used, there should be an investigation. There was obviously attitude involved – police bullying tactics. There were eye witnesses .. why will the police not speak with them?
If the cops don’t want to LOOK dirty, they need to stop covering everything up.
This cop needs to be relieved from duty (including his gun) until a complete investigation is done preferably not by his buddies. It has already been stated that all of the bullets were from his gun.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 11:03
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/14/us/missouri-teenager-and-officer-scuffled-before-shooting-chief-says.html?_r=0
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:04
You seriously want this guy to get away with this? Why? Are you so filled with animosity and hatred towards black teens? Or just scared?
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 11:06
If the investigation determines that he’s guilty, then he deserves to go to jail.
Why do you not support equal protection under the law when it comes to police officers?
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:10
THESE are not police officers. These are Gestapo. In our country we have laws that protect us from out of control police. He murdered an unarmed teen. If the teen had murdered the cop, the teen’s name/address would be “out there”.
If you really watched last night,you saw that the only people committing provocation were the riot police. WHAT riot? The only people rioting were the riot police?
Pointing automatic weapons at toddlers? Pointing guns at cars?
If this is how these people “contain” a situation, they need remedial training. We have all seen situation where people are contained without harm. Tear Gas and concussion grenades are in response to riots. There was no rioting other than the police.
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 11:15
To paraphrase Thomas Moore, “while a community must judge in it’s hearts according to it’s wits, in the courts it must judge according to the law.” He also said something about giving the Devil himself benefit of law, not to protect the devil, but to protect himself.
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 11:21
I’m just as afraid of Anonymous as I am of police brutality. From personal experience I can tell you this is a group that isn’t above lying when they think they are on the right side of an issue. Put your trust in them at your own peril.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 11:21
Was Anonymous behind the “doxxing” of another officer here two days ago, posting his Facebook information because they believed he was the cop involved in the shooting? (He wasn’t, and now he and his family are in hiding because of death threats.)
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:28
Who knows? Didn’t see it. I think the police agency should have done the right thing and put it out there immediately. Surely they knew this might happen.
People HATE coverups. People don’t trust the cops .. why would they when stuff like this happens?
Oh Geez August 14th, 2014 at 11:15
And the press has the freedom to report any information they have.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:37
However the people of Ferguson have the constitutional right to peaceful protest. Which is what they did. The police blew the whole thing up – seemingly attempting to cause a riot which never happened.
They did get to shoot off a lot of their new toys though.
Oh Geez August 14th, 2014 at 10:48
And actually, this isn’t a “suspect”. What needs to be determined is if a crime was committed. The cop is paid by the taxpayers, and the taxpayers have a right to know what is happening.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 10:54
Correct. Thanks. Now let’s see if the officer survives long enough for that determination to be made.
(((NW10,PATRIOT! ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ))) August 14th, 2014 at 10:55
If only that same consideration had been given to Michael Brown.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:58
the kid didn’t…..
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 11:07
So the officer shouldn’t?
Please tell us how you feel, truly, and on the record.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:15
He needs to be investigated – take away his badge – and gun – the investigation must be done by someone other than his department. An outside agency. If it is determined that the shooting was unjustified, he needs to be tried for murder or whatever they believe is appropriate.
But it is very important that an investigation be done by a credible agency. Otherwise no one will believe it is accurate.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 11:20
“He needs to be investigated – take away his badge – and gun”
Done. He’s on administrative leave.
“the investigation must be done by someone other than his department. An outside agency.”
Done. FBI. Not Anonymous.
“If it is determined that the shooting was unjustified, he needs to be tried for murder or whatever they believe is appropriate.”
Agreed.
“But it is very important that an investigation be done by a credible agency.”
Done. FBI. Not Anonymous.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:26
In your position, if you killed someone, you probably wouldn’t be sitting at your desk getting paid while someone investigates you for murder.
No one except the police get placed on Admin Leave with Pay when a civilian is killed.
When someone is being investigated for murder, their name is all over the papers/news/media. Double standard.
FBI? They can only investigate federal crimes. Unless invited. A hate crime possibly. Otherwise Internal Affairs .. which means the killer cop will walk.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 11:27
You may want to refresh your browser and see the front page of this very site.
Jerry Brown August 14th, 2014 at 11:17
Officer? You mean PIG!
Jerry Brown August 14th, 2014 at 11:16
Who gives a shit, he didn’t pause to consider shit before he shot that kid in the back, chest and face.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:57
and that includes his name and badge number.
And police release names of people all the time that are arrested, and many who are never charged.
Go bark up another pole.
“Murdered for being black” IS a crime.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:17
The people who live in Ferguson also have the same right to due process. You seem to continually forget the citizens who are impacted and involved.
The police need training. They do not know how to diffuse this mess. Shooting / killing / tear gas/ concussion grenades are responses to a RIOT. There has been no RIOT for days. People are legally entitled to assemble (including after dark) – a right to peaceful assembly.
The ONLY people out of control are the police.
Dirk Prophet August 14th, 2014 at 11:33
By law, police incident reports are to be made public.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:35
They cover that by not submitted a report. That way they don’t need to name the cop. It’s why when the reporters were released they were told there was “no report”.
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 11:48
There is no version of that law that says they have to serve anyone’s head on a platter in the middle of protests.
Carla Akins August 14th, 2014 at 12:18
Not everywhere. Kansas specifically has a law that states they do not have have to make criminal investigation files available to the public – whether or not anyone is charged. FYI.
Dirk Prophet August 14th, 2014 at 12:42
By law police incident reports are to be made public in Missouri.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 12:45
Citation needed.
Dirk Prophet August 14th, 2014 at 14:12
http://ago.mo.gov/pdf/MissouriSunshineLaw.pdf
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/aclu-sues-ferguson-police-michael-brown-incident-report
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 14:58
Sunshine Law not applicable to police incidents.
Lawsuit from ACLU is not a law.
Dirk Prophet August 14th, 2014 at 16:41
Try reading it, the ACLU did.
Dirk Prophet August 14th, 2014 at 16:49
http://www.scribd.com/doc/236822966/2014-08-14-Sunshine-Petition
Carla Akins August 14th, 2014 at 12:49
But not during an investigation, only after someone is charged or the case is discharged.
Dirk Prophet August 14th, 2014 at 13:43
That’s a different report. The incident report is only about the encounter and not the investigation.
Dirk Prophet August 14th, 2014 at 14:14
http://ago.mo.gov/pdf/MissouriSunshineLaw.pdf
FYI
Oh Geez August 14th, 2014 at 10:43
I hope the “hostage holder” follows through. The public has a right to know what PUBLIC SERVANTS are doing!
dave-dr-gonzo August 14th, 2014 at 09:18
I hope Officer Willman has eyes in the back of his head. OTOH, I’m very interested in what might be in his “jacket”.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:33
Lots and lots of “excessive force” maybe?
dave-dr-gonzo August 14th, 2014 at 09:18
I hope Officer Willman has eyes in the back of his head. OTOH, I’m very interested in what might be in his “jacket”.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:33
Lots and lots of “excessive force” maybe?
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 10:07
How do we know it was unlawful? We don’t have the story of what happened.
Miss A / Alan: Do I have the authority to call the McDonald’s up and say I write for Alan Colmes and I have a few questions about how things went down in your establishment?
Jay Schiavone August 14th, 2014 at 10:31
“How do we know it was unlawful?”
They were released without charge.
MarcoZandrini August 14th, 2014 at 10:31
The wapo reporter posted his story in today’s wapo. I think I’d trust a wapo reporter before I trust a ferguson, mo cop.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:41
Agree – the media is watching this very closely – the cops have taken off their numbers and nametags. I also believe that the cops are setting this up to provoke a riot. Their response last night was over the top … they are supposed to be trained to diffuse situations, not escalate them.
This is not Baghdad .. except of course for the po-Lice weapons they had.
I also would believe the reporters – both of whom were slammed around before I would believe these thuggish over-the-top black hating Gesapo cops.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:40
Oh please – please do. But then please do tell the truth ok? No more spin – no more right wingy “they were violating the law” BS.
Oh Geez August 14th, 2014 at 10:29
Someone who thinks we need to wait till the investigation is complete, please give me 1 good reason why a cop would shoot someone in the back EVER.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:32
Because the “perp” was “walking while black unarmed”. That’s all ANY white cop needs to shoot a black man in the back. The mentally ill black man who was killed by LAPD yesterday was shot 3 times, all in the back. And they knew he was mentally challenged.
Oh Geez August 14th, 2014 at 10:42
And was laying face down on the ground at the time – don’t forget that part!!
Dirk Prophet August 14th, 2014 at 11:29
The cop was in fear for his life. The perp might turn around to surrender.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:30
Well done!
Oh Geez August 14th, 2014 at 10:29
Someone who thinks we need to wait till the investigation is complete, please give me 1 good reason why a cop would shoot someone in the back EVER.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:32
Because the “perp” was “walking while black unarmed”. That’s all ANY white cop needs to shoot a black man in the back. The mentally ill black man who was killed by LAPD yesterday was shot 3 times, all in the back. And they knew he was mentally challenged.
Oh Geez August 14th, 2014 at 10:42
And was laying face down on the ground at the time – don’t forget that part!!
Dirk Prophet August 14th, 2014 at 11:29
The cop was in fear for his life. The perp might turn around to surrender.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:30
Well done!
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 10:39
Sure he does.
Jerry Brown August 14th, 2014 at 11:14
I love Anonymous man!
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 11:17
Yeah, well that’s just like your opinion, man.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:22
Cops are supposed to be easily identifiable. They are to wear name tags and badges with numbers. There is a reason for that.
When you place people in charge of others, the people have a right to know who is telling them what to do. We have to have legal right to know who is policing us so that we may question their actions legally.
Last night’s Gestapo removed their badges and their names.
That makes them the Nazis.
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 11:24
I call Godwin’s law on that one.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 11:25
I thought that could only be called on conservatives. I learn something new every day.
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 11:27
No, like any law it needs to be applied equally and fairly to all our citizens.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:30
Including the police.
Our police are required to be identifiable. When they remove their badges and their nametags, they are operating in secrecy which is kind of against what they supposedly stand for.
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 11:37
Who is going to be there to protect you if Anonymous decides to come for you? Where is your defense against vigilantes if we decide to put them in charge of cases like this? We are as defenseless as Micheal Brown if we can’t protect his assailants from emotional crowd-think and lynch mobs. No matter what your job is you still are innocent until proven guilty. No matter how awful your crime you still get the benefits of law.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:39
I am NOT in favor of vigilantes. If the officer had been named to begin with, there would be no vigilantes. Operating in secrecy bring them out of the woodwork.
Innocent until proven guilty doesn’t mean that when a police officer guns down a citizen he is allowed to remain nameless. We knew the victim .. the name of the cop is relevant.
All the secrecy just provokes more violence.
Adam S Walburger August 14th, 2014 at 11:50
That’s the problem Eric. This is business as usual. The line is now drawn. If they did nothing this news would have already faded from the pages and the officer would be acquitted and back on the streets.
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 12:16
I would agree with you except that it’s the same mistrust of our system is being used by the other side to justify gunning down our young people in the first place. It cuts both ways.
Gary August 14th, 2014 at 17:44
‘innocent until proven guilty’? Why is that kid dead in the street?
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 17:50
He was denied his basic civil rights. The police who did it need to be punished. We must also give them due process (even though they denied it to Brown). Take away that right and there will be a whole more of us dead in the street,
Gary August 14th, 2014 at 17:57
I don’t advocate ‘an eye for an eye’ or the mistaken punishment by a mob seeking only revenge. That’s too much like Israel and Palestine for me. But justice MUST prevail in this country or we all just kiss it goodbye. And so far, those charged with upholding justice are just holding it up. I’m all for due process-let’s just get the ability for the process to begin.
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 18:03
On that we a agree. Also the amount of time this investigation is taking and the lack of transparency is something that there needs to be consequences for. It is as responsible as anything for the civil unrest.
Gary August 14th, 2014 at 18:04
Absolutely. We’re good.
Gary August 14th, 2014 at 17:44
‘innocent until proven guilty’? Why is that kid dead in the street?
Oh Geez August 14th, 2014 at 11:46
Apparently the cops in Ferguson are cowards, sissies, or criminals who don’t want to be identified. None of the three is good.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 12:01
And you are who again?
Oh Geez August 14th, 2014 at 12:35
I’m someone who isn’t paid with tax dollars. I didn’t swear an oath to preserve and protect. I don’t wear a badge, althought neither do the cowards in Ferguson.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 12:38
And that makes you more equal because…?
Jerry Brown August 14th, 2014 at 11:26
Don’t forget the ski masks!
Jerry Brown August 14th, 2014 at 11:26
Your observation is accurate. Well done.
Dirk Prophet August 14th, 2014 at 11:27
This aggression will not stand, man.
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 11:28
F*%k it man, lets go bowling.
Jerry Brown August 14th, 2014 at 11:14
I love Anonymous man!
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 11:17
Yeah, well that’s just like your opinion, man.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:22
Cops are supposed to be easily identifiable. They are to wear name tags and badges with numbers. There is a reason for that.
When you place people in charge of others, the people have a right to know who is telling them what to do. We have to have legal right to know who is policing us so that we may question their actions legally.
Last night’s Gestapo removed their badges and their names.
That makes them the Nazis.
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 11:24
I call Godwin’s law on that one.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 11:25
I thought that could only be called on conservatives. I learn something new every day.
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 11:27
No, like any law it needs to be applied equally and fairly to all our citizens.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:30
Including the police.
Our police are required to be identifiable. When they remove their badges and their nametags, they are operating in secrecy which is kind of against what they supposedly stand for.
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 11:37
Who is going to be there to protect you if Anonymous decides to come for you? Where is your defense against vigilantes if we decide to put them in charge of cases like this? We are as defenseless as Micheal Brown if we can’t protect his assailants from emotional crowd-think and lynch mobs. No matter what your job is you still are innocent until proven guilty. No matter how awful your crime you still get the benefits of law.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:39
I am NOT in favor of vigilantes. If the officer had been named to begin with, there would be no vigilantes. Operating in secrecy bring them out of the woodwork.
Innocent until proven guilty doesn’t mean that when a police officer guns down a citizen he is allowed to remain nameless. We knew the victim .. the name of the cop is relevant.
All the secrecy just provokes more violence.
Adam S Walburger August 14th, 2014 at 11:50
That’s the problem Eric. This is business as usual. The line is now drawn. If they did nothing this news would have already faded from the pages and the officer would be acquitted and back on the streets.
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 12:16
I would agree with you except that it’s the same mistrust of our system is being used by the other side to justify gunning down our young people in the first place. It cuts both ways.
Gary August 14th, 2014 at 17:44
‘innocent until proven guilty’? Why is that kid dead in the street?
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 17:50
Brown was denied his basic civil rights. The police who did it need to be punished. We must also give them due process (even though they denied it to Brown). Take away that right and there will be a whole more of us dead in the street,
Gary August 14th, 2014 at 17:57
I don’t advocate ‘an eye for an eye’ or the mistaken punishment by a mob seeking only revenge. That’s too much like Israel and Palestine for me. But justice MUST prevail in this country or we all just kiss it goodbye. And so far, those charged with upholding justice are just holding it up. I’m all for due process-let’s just get the ability for the process to begin.
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 18:03
On that we a agree. Also the amount of time this investigation is taking and the lack of transparency is something that there needs to be consequences for. It is as responsible as anything for the civil unrest.
Gary August 14th, 2014 at 18:04
Absolutely. We’re good.
Oh Geez August 14th, 2014 at 11:46
Apparently the cops in Ferguson are cowards, sissies, or criminals who don’t want to be identified. None of the three is good.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 12:01
And you are who again?
Oh Geez August 14th, 2014 at 12:35
I’m someone who isn’t paid with tax dollars. I didn’t swear an oath to preserve and protect. I don’t wear a badge, althought neither do the cowards in Ferguson.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 12:38
And that makes you more equal because…?
Jerry Brown August 14th, 2014 at 11:26
Don’t forget the ski masks!
Jerry Brown August 14th, 2014 at 11:26
Your observation is accurate. Well done.
Dirk Prophet August 14th, 2014 at 11:27
This aggression will not stand, man.
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 11:28
F*%k it man, lets go bowling.
BillTheCat45 August 14th, 2014 at 11:28
Thank Flying Spaghetti Monster for Anonymous
BillTheCat45 August 14th, 2014 at 11:28
Thank Flying Spaghetti Monster for Anonymous
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 11:29
Anonymous has followed through with their threat to tweet the officer’s image on their Twitter account.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:34
That should have been done by the police by Sunday morning. All this secrecy just tweaks people and makes them angry. The “something to hide” syndrome. I don’t agree with Anonymous doing this particularly but the name would have come out.
As far as investigating the cop, you seem to think there can be a legitimate secret/no name investigation and if they determine the “shooting was justified” they wouldn’t have to release his name because he wouldn’t be charged.
That isn’t really how it works in this country.
His name was bound to come out. If they had been upfront and honest from the first, some of this could have been averted.
Oh Geez August 14th, 2014 at 11:44
Wonderful!!!
Terry Hatch August 14th, 2014 at 12:27
Except that they gave out the wrong name.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 12:28
And we’re all surprised.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 11:29
Anonymous has followed through with their threat to tweet the officer’s image on their Twitter account.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 11:34
That should have been done by the police by Sunday morning. All this secrecy just tweaks people and makes them angry. The “something to hide” syndrome. I don’t agree with Anonymous doing this particularly but the name would have come out.
As far as investigating the cop, you seem to think there can be a legitimate secret/no name investigation and if they determine the “shooting was justified” they wouldn’t have to release his name because he wouldn’t be charged.
That isn’t really how it works in this country.
His name was bound to come out. If they had been upfront and honest from the first, some of this could have been averted.
Oh Geez August 14th, 2014 at 11:44
Wonderful!!!
Tolerance August 14th, 2014 at 12:27
Except that they gave out the wrong name.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 12:28
And we’re all surprised.
Pilotshark August 14th, 2014 at 11:42
seem where Gov Nixon has relived the St. Louis country police force of there duty’s in Ferguson.
a day late but hopefully a good thing over all.
Pilotshark August 14th, 2014 at 11:42
seem where Gov Nixon has relived the St. Louis country police force of there duty’s in Ferguson.
a day late but hopefully a good thing over all.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 12:00
I can’t believe that Alan.com wants to be culpable in any violence perpetrated against the officer by reproducing his name and image in this post. Know that I oppose the use of the image that has been added to this article.
mea_mark August 14th, 2014 at 12:03
It is in the public domain now, there isn’t going to be anymore suppression. Might as well publish it, it is the news.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 12:04
So because it’s in the public domain, irresponsible journalism goes out the window?
/tosses my Chicago Manual of Style/ Who needs this anymore?
The Third Archon August 14th, 2014 at 12:07
You cannot stop the flow of information, and trying just makes you look like a tool who thinks they know better than everyone else. People are unpredictable, and thus there will ALWAYS be a risk of them doing “the wrong” thing–but they are, god I hope, capable of doing the RIGHT thing on their own too. If the police refuse to identify the shooter (and I cannot possibly fathom how, what, five days later, they STILL don’t have at least a preliminary idea/narrative of what ‘really’ went down) then there’s no way to determine if he was justified or unjustified, and if the latter, no way to hold him accountable. If the police would do their jobs right–moreover, if America’s so-called “leaders” would ACT like leaders and bother addressing the REAL problems of Americans–we wouldn’t be in this situation in the first place, and we wouldn’t NEED to resort to hacktivism to get BASIC information necessary to ensure justice is done and humans are treated with the dignity that they deserve.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 12:09
Hactivism, Cyberterrorism, To-may-to, to-mah-to.
The Third Archon August 14th, 2014 at 12:13
Maybe–not unlike the terrorist founders of America. One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 12:23
John Adams acted as defense attorney for the British Soldiers responsible for the Boston Massacre. Also if you take your argument to it’s conclusion than you also allow for the Cliven Bundys of the world to act with impunity.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 12:23
Bingo.
The Third Archon August 14th, 2014 at 12:26
I fail to see how John Adams’ legal practice changes the way the British viewed the American rebels or their guerilla tactics. Also, you’ve completely missed my point, which was that JUST because we can call something (arguably accurately) terrorism, doesn’t mean it is necessarily good or bad–not all terrorism is created equal. The cause for which it is waged, and the values of the person judging the act, will determine whether it is called “good” or “evil” (and in fact, probably whether or not it will be labeled as “terrorism” at all). Cliven Bundy is an over-privileged dick who thinks he has a right to externalize his costs by grazing public land without paying. He can suck it. Basic human rights is a far worthier cause than some asshole rancher’s bottom line.
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 12:19
Twitter has suspended the account. https://twitter.com/account/suspended
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 12:22
Unfortunately it is impossible to unring that bell….even though what Anon posted may not be accurate.
Secrecy provokes these types of “outings”. Most people react better when someone is honest with them.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 12:31
Good.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 12:52
they’ll just come up with a new one. They probably have a million backup ID’s.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 12:52
They do keep Tor in business.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 12:00
I can’t believe that Alan.com wants to be culpable in any violence perpetrated against the officer by reproducing his name and image in this post. Know that I oppose the use of the image that has been added to this article.
mea_mark August 14th, 2014 at 12:03
It is in the public domain now, there isn’t going to be anymore suppression. Might as well publish it, it is the news.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 12:04
So because it’s in the public domain, irresponsible journalism goes out the window?
/tosses my Chicago Manual of Style/ Who needs this anymore?
The Third Archon August 14th, 2014 at 12:07
You cannot stop the flow of information, and trying just makes you look like a tool who thinks they know better than everyone else. People are unpredictable, and thus there will ALWAYS be a risk of them doing “the wrong” thing–but they are, god I hope, capable of doing the RIGHT thing on their own too. If the police refuse to identify the shooter (and I cannot possibly fathom how, what, five days later, they STILL don’t have at least a preliminary idea/narrative of what ‘really’ went down) then there’s no way to determine if he was justified or unjustified, and if the latter, no way to hold him accountable. If the police would do their jobs right–moreover, if America’s so-called “leaders” would ACT like leaders and bother addressing the REAL problems of Americans–we wouldn’t be in this situation in the first place, and we wouldn’t NEED to resort to hacktivism to get BASIC information necessary to ensure justice is done and humans are treated with the dignity that they deserve.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 12:09
Hactivism, Cyberterrorism, To-may-to, to-mah-to.
The Third Archon August 14th, 2014 at 12:13
Maybe–not unlike the terrorist founders of America. One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 12:23
John Adams acted as defense attorney for the British Soldiers responsible for the Boston Massacre. Also if you take your argument to it’s conclusion than you also allow for the Cliven Bundys of the world to act with impunity.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 12:23
Bingo.
The Third Archon August 14th, 2014 at 12:26
I fail to see how John Adams’ legal practice changes the way the British viewed the American rebels or their guerilla tactics. Also, you’ve completely missed my point, which was that JUST because we can call something (arguably accurately) terrorism, doesn’t mean it is necessarily good or bad–not all terrorism is created equal. The cause for which it is waged, and the values of the person judging the act, will determine whether it is called “good” or “evil” (and in fact, probably whether or not it will be labeled as “terrorism” at all). Cliven Bundy is an over-privileged dick who thinks he has a right to externalize his costs by grazing public land without paying. He can suck it. Basic human rights is a far worthier cause than some asshole rancher’s bottom line.
Eric Trommater August 14th, 2014 at 12:19
Twitter has suspended the account. https://twitter.com/account/suspended
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 12:22
Unfortunately it is impossible to unring that bell….even though what Anon posted may not be accurate.
Secrecy provokes these types of “outings”. Most people react better when someone is honest with them.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 12:31
Good.
BanditBasheert August 14th, 2014 at 12:52
they’ll just come up with a new one. They probably have a million backup ID’s.
R.J. Carter August 14th, 2014 at 12:52
They do keep Tor in business.
The Third Archon August 14th, 2014 at 12:01
Has anyone cross-referenced the name with the list of 53 officers (I thought) of Ferguson? Isn’t that information public?
John_St_John August 14th, 2014 at 12:01
You know folks, with all the violence being perpetuated against Blacks and Latinos over the last six years I have come to one conclusion, full blown South African Apartheid has come to America.