Silence of The Shams: Bill Maher Stumps GOP Critics With One Simple Question
Criticism of President Obama’s Ukraine policy, like most Republican criticism of the President, is long on dumb shit and short on better ideas. On this weekend’s Real Time with Bill Maher (Special “Book Conservatives Whose Names Sound Like Fraggle Rock Characters” Edition), the emptiness of that criticism was masterfully exposed when host Maher asked guests Hogan Gidley and Matt Kibbe, “What should he be doing differently? And be specific.”
Freedomworks CEO Matt Kibbe began by explaining how President Obama isn’t respected by Vladimir Putin, and when asked what Obama should do to gain Putin’s respect, replied, “It’s called leadership.”
Reading the minds of everyone everywhere, Maher said,
“Excuse my French, but what the fuck does that mean?”
Then it was Gidley’s turn to tap in, and assert that the lack of respect is due to our failure to “flex muscles, militarily,” shortly before declaring that any conservative who wants to send the military to Ukraine is “off their rocker,” and accused the President of refusing to name Putin a “bad actor in the plane coming down.” (Apparently, Gidley is an early endorser of the James Lipton 2016 campaign.)
Then, when asked “what should we be doing,” Gidley admitted, right off the bat, that his only recommendations would be “symbolic” actions, like…
“He’s trying to buy some French helicopters, you buy the helicopters.”
Can’t you just hear Putin’s inner circle taunting him now? “Awwww, shit, son, he bought your French helicopters! You got served, comrade!”
What Gidley is suggesting is the military equivalent of stealing your best girlfriend’s wedding date. The truth is that, while the President’s actions in Ukraine haven’t worked out all that well to date, none of the suggestions from the other side of the aisle, including French helicopters and spending billions so energy companies can sell liquid natural gas to Europe 10 years from now, are even serious, let alone effective.
Say what you will about Bill Maher (and I have), this is one area in which he frequently excels: getting conservatives to come on his show, and popping their idiocy like a balloon in a porcupine pen.
Unfortunately, he also has a tendency to let liberal dumbshittery get past him, as with this bit of wisdom…READ MORE
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By: Tommy Christopher
Tommy Christopher is The Daily Banter's White House Correspondent and Political Analyst. He's been a political reporter and liberal commentator since 2007, and has covered the White House since the beginning of the Obama administration, first for PoliticsDaily, and then for Mediaite. Christopher is a frequent guest on a variety of television, radio, and online programs, and was the villain in the documentaries The Audacity of Democracy and Hating Breitbart. He's also That Guy Who Live-Tweeted His Own Heart Attack, and the only person to have ever received public apologies from both Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck.
arc99 July 28th, 2014 at 12:46
In addition to asking what the President should be doing differently, we should also be asking the President’s critics how many taxpayer dollars should be spent to do those things.
And to use Maher’s inimitable interrogatory style, the follow up question would be why the f*ck can we afford helicopters for Ukrainians but we cannot afford extending unemployment insurance here at home?
fantagor July 28th, 2014 at 16:30
Good question. Republicans have instant amnesia on the debt when it comes to the subject of war. But bring up extending monies to any program with socialistic underpinnings and the specter of offsets haunts the debate with Jacob Marley efficacy.
arc99 July 28th, 2014 at 12:46
In addition to asking what the President should be doing differently, we should also be asking the President’s critics how many taxpayer dollars should be spent to do those things.
And to use Maher’s inimitable interrogatory style, the follow up question would be why the f*ck can we afford helicopters for Ukrainians but we cannot afford extending unemployment insurance here at home?
fantagor July 28th, 2014 at 16:30
Good question. Republicans have instant amnesia on the debt when it comes to the subject of war. But bring up extending monies to any program with socialistic underpinnings and the specter of offsets haunts the debate with Jacob Marley efficacy.
M A G July 28th, 2014 at 12:55
Specifics? From a GOPer? Good luck with that!
MIAtheistGal July 28th, 2014 at 12:55
Specifics? From a GOPer? Good luck with that!
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 12:58
“Silence of the Shams”. I know right? Completely silent when the issue of drones killing civilians was brought up.
arc99 July 28th, 2014 at 13:11
another change of subject.
a clear sign that right wingers have nothing to offer but intellectually bankrupt criticism and have no real answers to much of anything.
Mo Reno July 28th, 2014 at 13:18
But, but, but “symbolism!”
Nomad July 28th, 2014 at 13:19
I was waiting for him to suggest a cream pie in Putin’s face.
Mo Reno July 28th, 2014 at 13:21
“Putin wants to be the top hat in Monopoly, so YOU pick the top hat in Monopoly!”
Now that’s showing him!
Nomad July 28th, 2014 at 13:47
By the way, did you hear Hillary Clinton’s assessment of Putin on CNN yesterday? Basically she described him like a real stick in the mud. The kind that sits alone in the corner at parties and gets drunk and says bitter things at strangers.
Pilotshark July 28th, 2014 at 15:20
Putin/Palin 2016
a p party they all can wizzz to.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 13:19
It’s not a change of subject, Gidley specifically addressed it in his response and the panel blew past it. Another sign that left wingers can’t bring themselves to face the fact that Obama is Bush 2.0 when it comes to a lot if the things he campaigned against then ignored once in power.
Nomad July 28th, 2014 at 13:17
Do Republicans really wish to get into a debate who killed more innocent civilians, Obama or the last administration? Iraq Body Count project lists 112,667–123,284 civilian deaths from violence and 66,081 civilian deaths is the figure given by Classified Iraq War Logs.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 13:20
Not really, unless you want to do the same for both soldiers and civilians in Afghanistan.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 14:32
I’m waiting for you to post a photo or 3 of yourself, in uniform, going to fight the wars you endorse. Until then, you’re another warmonger who wants my nephews killed, instead of cowardly YOU!
R.J. Carter July 28th, 2014 at 16:23
And then there’s this:
Death Toll, American Military Casualties
WAR DEM REP
WWI 116,516
WWII 405399
Korea 36516
Vietnam 29104.5 29104.5
Gulf War 294
Afghanistan 1114.5 1114.5
Iraq 2244 2244
TOTAL 590,894 (D) 32,757 (R)
(If a war spanned multiple administrations, I divided the total — for instance, Vietnam spanned two Republican and two Democrat administrations.)
Larry Schmitt July 29th, 2014 at 07:21
Your table is meaningless. You can’t compare WWII with Afghanistn. Not all wars are created equal. Most people on this site would agree we shouldn’t have been in Afghanistan in the first place, but I don’t think too many will say we shouldn’t have been in WWII.
R.J. Carter July 29th, 2014 at 09:23
There were actually quite a few people who didn’t think we should enter WWII. In fact, we had to be dragged into it.
Larry Schmitt July 29th, 2014 at 09:39
At the time, yes. But no one today thinks that.
Anomaly 100 July 28th, 2014 at 13:19
I’m not a fan of drones but the alternative is more people getting killed and boots on the ground.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 13:20
Who precisely is calling for boots on the ground?
Nomad July 28th, 2014 at 13:27
So what are your choices then.. drones or abusive language? This whole argument is purpose-built no win situation for Obama.The republicans never gave a hoot when civilians died and hardly gave a hoot when American servicemen died. But when drone strikes result in civilian casualties, they are suddenly humanitarians. If Obama listened to them, they would turn right around and call him weak for not doing anything. Personally I think attack drones (as opposed to surveillance) should be outlawed along with land mines and half a dozen other lethal hardware.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 13:33
First, I could give a hoot what you attribute to Republicans as saying, thinking, or feeling, I am not one. I don’t agree with drone strikes against civilians and neither do a lot of folks on the left, but they sure are silent about the expansion(understatement) of their use under Obama.
arc99 July 28th, 2014 at 13:39
as is the case with most criticism coming from the right, your claims of “silence” from the left are demonstrably false.
here is one prominent example among many. you are entitled to your opinions, even if those opinions consist of BS made up out of thin air.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/drones
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 13:48
I guess when I say silence, I am referring to the fact that you have to actively search for examples such as the link you posted during this administration as opposed to having them spoon fed to us regularly on the nightly news during the previous one. Where are the protestors camped out at Obamas private residence, or putting up displays of boots, or screaming into cameras that Obama is a criminal?
Anomaly 100 July 28th, 2014 at 14:04
That’s just not true.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 14:12
what’s not true?
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 14:30
Every word you have written here is untrue.
Bunya July 28th, 2014 at 14:09
Good question. Where ARE the republican/conservative protestors camping out at the president’s private residence, screaming for his impeachment? If you recall, it was liberals who protested Bush’s unnecessary war, not conservatives.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 14:14
Yes, and where are the liberals now that Obama has expanded the drone strikes, and that exponentially more soldiers and civilians died in Afghanistan under Obama than Bush, and Gitmo is still open? Where are they?
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 14:30
We could attack, with troops, instead of using drones. When will you be volunteering for those missions?
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 14:29
You’re lying, Jeff. “Silence” has a real definition, and you’re incapable of telling the truth about what “silence” means. Words mean things…remember that next time you’re full of it.
deckbose July 28th, 2014 at 14:12
As for the so-called “expansion(understatement) of their use under Obama,” perhaps you should check the most recent statistics.
“But the administration has scaled back its use of drones in recent years. Pakistan was the target of 28 drones strikes in 2013, down from a high of 117 in 2010, according to the Long War Journal. The president launched his first strike against Pakistan on Jan. 23, 2009 — his third day in office.
And though the administration has struck Yemen three times so far this year, drone strikes were down in 2013 at 26, from a 2012 high of 41.”
http://www.nationaljournal.com/defense/five-years-later-u-s-drone-use-on-the-decline-20140124
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 14:22
Nice cherry picking of the article:
“The imprecision on exactly how many drones strikes the United States has used, or how many people have been killed, underscores the lack of transparency surrounding the U.S. drone campaign.
And though the president pledged last year to be more transparent about his administration’s use of drones, as ProPublica notes key questions still remain including how many civilians the administration believes it has killed, how it makes it targets, or the specific legal reasoning it uses for the strikes.”
So what you are saying is that what counts is how many times drones were sent out, not body counts or justifications. What is the greater data to track, no. of flights, cost of fuel, time, and personnel in implementing missions (supports “scaled back”), or human lives?
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 14:27
I’m sure you never breathed a WORD against the previous administration’s drone usage. I’ll also bet my left nut that you still think Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, and that Saddam was directly linked to Al Quaeda. Your attacks on this administration are transparent nonsense.
deckbose July 28th, 2014 at 14:28
Cherry-picking with three different sources? Google it yourself, dumbass. Drone use is on the decline for the last two years, meaning the number of people killed is in steep decline. Why don’t you do a little research before spewing nonsense? Show me a link that refutes what I sent you.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 15:00
There is no refutation necessary. The article is clear when it asserts that there is no verifiable information or statistics on numbers of people killed. A decline in number of times the little buggers flew does not equate to a decline in number of deaths caused by them. If you are relying the fox to accurately report the number of casualties in the henhouse, then good luck with that and I have waterfront property to sell you.
deckbose July 28th, 2014 at 15:08
Which is the part about this you don’t understand?
“While specific figures are difficult to narrow down and even harder to verify, the number of strikes, almost exclusively by drones, declined in 2013, as did the casualties they caused. Between the three countries, there were around 55 strikes this year, a substantial drop from the roughly 92 in 2012. In 2013 the strikes killed up to 271 people, down from an estimate of between 505 and 532 in 2012. Approximately one in every nine to 10 deaths is a civilian. The data comes from estimates compiled by the New America Foundation, the Long War Journal and the Bureau of Investigative Journalism.”
It’s always refreshing to see someone ignore data put right in their faces, like a petulant child covering his ears and eyes and screaming so as not to hear a word.
R.J. Carter July 28th, 2014 at 15:10
Isn’t that just another way of saying, “We don’t know how many there were, but we bet there were fewer of them.” Somebody calls that “truthiness.”
deckbose July 28th, 2014 at 15:16
I suppose if your entire understanding of the topic is restricted to one sentence, sure. Ignoring everything that follows that sentence and the rest of the source material makes it easy to appear dense.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 15:22
Again, fox/henhouse. Not a great source for even the “harder to verify” types of information. I recall the left taking a Berean approach to every bit of information that came out of the previous administration, yet swallow whole, every tidbit that the current one puts out. Amazing how our trust level “evolves”
deckbose July 28th, 2014 at 15:34
No, actually, the amazing part is the evolution of mistrust and the way it infects people across the political spectrum. To such an extent that some people clearly believe being a full-time skeptic makes them appear intelligent, despite their obvious inability to separate the wheat from the chaff, as it were.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 15:41
McCain called for troops, in multiple countries. You can deny that, but it simply proves that you are a partisan, unlike your claims.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 15:40
You can stick your head in the sand, but McCain called for troops on FOX NEWS. Where do you expect the link to go. That’s where he was interviewed, and that’s where his quote is. You simply cannot admit that an elected republican called for troops, so you’re playing games. McCain called for troops, that proves you wrong. Get over it.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 14:25
Total garbage. Liberals have decried drone strikes by Obama, but Breitfart won’t tell you that, will they, so you missed it.
R.J. Carter July 28th, 2014 at 15:07
LOL! “Breitfart”
Okay, trollblock applied.
Anomaly 100 July 28th, 2014 at 13:31
Well unless you can cross your arms (I dream of Jeannie-style) and take out certain terrorists….
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 13:36
No, it’s a legitimate question. Each time this has been debated in the media, the lefts answer has been “Well the Republicans want to go to war” or “the right’s only answer is boots on the ground”. Quote the folks(elected officials who actually have that power) who are calling for war, otherwise it’s just adherence to talking points.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 14:12
McCain has already called for troops and missiles to be deployed.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 14:31
Can you link that? I’m not accusing or doubting, just missed where McCain called for that.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 14:36
Your ignorance has been called out. I’m a computer dolt and cannot cut and paste, so I’ll tell you what every troll like you tells me: GOOGLE IT! It was said on Hannity’s show, 6 days after the plane was shot down. This is where an adult would admit they’re wrong, and apologize to all the people your sweeping generalization was wrong about.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 14:39
Are you willing to call McCain out?
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 14:48
I haven’t yet seen nor heard him call for war, or putting boots on the ground in either Russia or the Ukraine. All I have to go on so far is an apoplectic attack on every one of my posts in this thread. When you take a deep breath, count to ten, and then reread my posts, you won’t see me calling for war, or boots on the ground. If you have read my responses with much regularity, I mainly call out misinformation (in this instance, it is the “Republicans want nothing but war” mantra). I don’t in any way favor military intervention with Russia, never indicated it, and challenge anyone to prove otherwise (I’ll make it easy, click on my profile and you can read every single post I have written, neatly archived in chronological order). If indeed someone finds a legislator calling for war with Russia, or US troops in either Russia or the Ukraine, I will be the first to place an asshat on them.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 14:48
You’re just unable to admit you’re full of crappola, Jeff.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 14:53
If I was full of crapola, I would be the first to admit it. I’ve done it on here before, you need to relax first, read responses with critical thinking skills second, and allow yourself either a couple of sips of a fine spirit or a Xanax.
mea_mark July 28th, 2014 at 14:56
Careful now, lets not get overheated.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 15:38
I just posted a link, but this site is adding it’s info to what I posted. How do I get the link to post without having this extra stuff added to it? When my link is clicked, the browser shows my link, but the site is adding nonsense to my link.
mea_mark July 28th, 2014 at 16:35
I don’t what is going on. We are having problems today, site keeps going down, that could have something to do with it. It should work.
R.J. Carter July 28th, 2014 at 15:06
I’m still looking for the link that you’re acting like you already published. Guess it must be further down the thread.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 15:09
I don’t post links…don’t have clue how to do so. Are you denying that McCain wants troops?
R.J. Carter July 28th, 2014 at 15:11
“I don’t post links…don’t have clue how to do so.”
I don’t believe you.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 15:21
I just posted the link.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 15:19
Here it is: http:www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/transcript/2014/07/18/exclusive-sen-mccain-calls-obama-awol-downed-airliner-and-ukraine-russia
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 15:27
All I get is “404 Error! Page Not Found” when I click on it.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 15:34
This site is adding the entire url for this page…copy and paste what I posted, and this site will not add something to it. Or google: “McCain, Ukraine, AWOL, Obama.” Are you now going to deny what he said?
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 15:41
I actually found it by using the first part of the link you posted and drilling down. See, if given the opportunity, you can do it. Good job! Although McCain falls short of calling for war, and putting troops in Russia or the Ukraine, I’ll give his idea a big asshat (never been a McCain fan outside of tremendous respect for what he endured while a POW). Now I have to eat a smidgeon of crow (unless you define smidgeon in terms of IRS corruption) since you found one Senator who moves towards military posturing therefore the assertion is supported that the right has no other solution than war and boots on the ground.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 15:43
Yeah….he wants the troops to do nothing. Sure. You still can’t admit you were wrong, can you?
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 16:26
Is your ego that fragile? OK here it is, I was absolutely 100% wrong, the only solution Republicans have is to go to war with Russia and send troops directly into Ukraine. It is a solution that is clearly articulated by Senator John McCain (R) from AZ and robustly and publically supported by not only all his fellow Republican Senators, but by all Republican House members, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, FoxNews, the NRA, the KKK, the PGA, and registered Republicans all across ‘Merica. Did I cover it?
R.J. Carter July 28th, 2014 at 16:27
You left out Girl Scout Troop #367, Poughkeepsie.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 16:31
Wait a minute, are you implying that the cookie sales are a front to fund covert Republican activities?
R.J. Carter July 28th, 2014 at 16:37
Do you have any idea the profits on Thin Mints alone? $6 a box for what are basically $2.25 Keebler Grasshoppers? C’mon!
Nomad July 28th, 2014 at 16:07
It sounds like something McCain would say so I googled and found this:
http://www.wibc.com/news/political/senator-mccain-american-troops-needed-support-ukraine
and then there’s this:
“Ukraine is going to need a long-term military assistance program from the United States — equipment both lethal and nonlethal,” said McCain. “They ask for some modest means that can help them resist. I believe we should provide it.”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/15/john-mccain-u-s-should-provide-long-term-military-help-to-ukraine-resist-russia/
In an official statement McCain was a little more “cagey”
“It is incumbent upon the Administration and our NATO allies to quickly undertake a range of actions that include providing the military assistance requested by the Ukrainian government
to defend their country, shifting additional NATO assets and capabilities to eastern Europe, conducting NATO military exercises there and in the Baltics,”
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 15:05
You won’t call McCain out…in spite of your claim that you would. Got it.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 15:17
I have no evidence upon which to call him out. You have the ability to lay down rapid-fire insults on multiple responses in immediate succession, but not to Google things? I’m not buying that.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 14:48
Have you retreated to get new talking points, Jeff?
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 14:50
No, I was typing a response to one of your 7 other ones you laid down. General thread etiquette understands that momentary lapses in responses are due to things like, having a life outside of the keyboard.
Laura Flannery July 28th, 2014 at 15:19
We also could build the missle shield that Obama cancelled.
wpadon July 28th, 2014 at 15:59
Do you mean that missile shield that can’t hit anything.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-missile-defense-20140615-story.html#page=1
Laura Flannery July 28th, 2014 at 17:05
We can use the same technology that they are using in Israel. I would imagine we helped develop and fund it. It has a 90% success ratio.
wpadon July 28th, 2014 at 17:40
My article was about the system we have in the US under GWB, and I think it was the system GWB proposed to install in Poland.
Laura Flannery July 28th, 2014 at 18:38
I’m not sure, but it would be wise to use a system that is already developed and has proven to be effective.
Dwendt44 July 29th, 2014 at 00:16
That system is designed for ‘local’ low altitude missiles, not ICBM type that drop in from straight up (+/-) at high speed.
William July 28th, 2014 at 18:13
Not only is an anti ICBM system in place, but it has been upgraded under the Obama administration. The system proposed for Europe was cancelled, for lack of funds. Considering the EU has the funds to pay for it’s own system, that was a good decision.
http://www.news.com.au/world/united-states-adds-14-anti-missile-defence-launchers-to-alaska-california/story-fndir2ev-1226598715301
Tammy Minton Haley July 28th, 2014 at 16:15
it’s you! hey, you!
still done with MMFA? i’ve been hanging around here for a couple weeks–great to see you–hey, did i hear you were selling the ranch?
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 17:02
I’m banned at MMFA! The trolls rage on, but I got “poofed”! The day after Christmas, I told Pattypoptart off…and I was gone. Yes…ranch is for sale, whether I like it or not. Taking the proceeds back to Austin.
mea_mark July 28th, 2014 at 17:24
Well, you are welcome here. Just try and flag people first and let us do the banning. The Trolls will not rage on here. Ask neworleans or fantagor or rustyshaskleford, we try and keep things under control.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 17:30
That’s part of the reason I’m here. Thanks!
mea_mark July 28th, 2014 at 17:35
I just fixed your link, don’t know what happened but I replaced it with a working one.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 17:41
I abhor rightist/racist links, too. But, the interview was on Fox, and I could not find anywhere else where the full transcript was available. And, since it was nothing but quotes, and not opinion, I want with the Fox link. Any of the posters you listed previously can vouch for the fact that using the Foxtitutes as evidence is NOT my normal modus operandi! lol!
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 17:44
Here’s another question from a computer dope: Why is my Disqus avatar being displayed? I created a new one, on this site, and the tiny,”Welcome, RioBravoHombre” message in the upper right shows my new av. Sorry…computers make me wonder and worry, I don’t understand them in the least. Thanks!
mea_mark July 28th, 2014 at 17:54
I think we only use disqus avatars for comments. That Avatar you are seeing is in “wordpress” that is what are Blog uses. I don’t think it is possible for it to show up in your comments here unless you move it/share it to/with disqus and then it will show up everywhere you use disqus to comment.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 17:59
Thanks, friend…live long, and prosper!
Tammy Minton Haley July 28th, 2014 at 19:31
it’s why i spend less and less time at Media Matters–and more and more time here… :)
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 19:37
Honestly, it’s just disgusting what is permitted to go on there.
OldLefty July 28th, 2014 at 20:01
What is permitted to go on there?
Tammy Minton Haley July 28th, 2014 at 20:07
oh, honey…it’s…just…SO bad…it might be the worst-trolled liberal site on-line…
NOT kidding…
go now, check it out on a newer thread…you’ll see what’s allowed…
mediamatters.org
OldLefty July 28th, 2014 at 20:18
Looks the same as all sites to me.
Tammy Minton Haley July 28th, 2014 at 20:19
no…you’re not understanding…
OldLefty July 28th, 2014 at 20:25
Guess not.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 20:15
Honestly….it’s hard to fully describe what happens when Stormfront racists are allowed to post any pornographic child rape fantasy imaginable.
Tammy Minton Haley July 28th, 2014 at 20:09
un-holygod-believable, sometimes…
remember the XXXXX-rated avatars “FilthTroll” used? and how he tormented Oedipus about being non-sighted, teasing him about pencils…oh, how i hated that troll!
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 20:12
Have you heard from OED?
Tammy Minton Haley July 28th, 2014 at 20:17
no…not for months…his disqus account is inactive–still there, just not used…
last i knew, he’d had the implant for the migraine-relief removed–that was it…i spoke to his mother…
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 20:19
I used to get emails, he was going to help me make my ranch site more friendly to the blind…and then nothing. I pray he’s ok. There was NOTHING worse than Filth troll wishing for him to die. These people have been whipped into a frenzy of hatred unequaled by anything my KKK relatives could do.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 20:14
I was banned the day before filth troll was outed. He just got outed again, a few minutes ago, using his link to his FB. Yet…I am banned and that dangerous loon, who posted chid rape porn, and threatened posters AND THEIR CHILDREN, is permitted to run rampant.
Tammy Minton Haley July 28th, 2014 at 19:32
Austin suits you… :)
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 19:41
I’m waaaaaaay out ion the middle of nowhere, and the Obama derangement amongst some of my neighbors is astonishing. I recently got followed into the Post Office parking lot by and old man, who was SCREAMING at me about how Obama stole the election, and claiming out town of 900 had over 1200 VERIFIED phony ballots…he was purplefaced, with spittle flying everywhere. The next time he saw me, he apologized…with his wife glaring at him while he did it, it was obvious she had been humiliated by his nuttiness in public.
mea_mark July 28th, 2014 at 19:51
Man I can relate to that. Living in the middle of nowhere Texas sure does have its challenges.
Tammy Minton Haley July 28th, 2014 at 20:11
oh
my
god
why…who…how come…
M-O-V-E!!
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 20:21
If you know anyone with $600,000 they want to spend on a ranch, tell them to call me.
Nomad July 28th, 2014 at 13:44
I prefer to make my nose twitch.
Anomaly 100 July 28th, 2014 at 14:03
That works, too.
Robert M. Snyder July 28th, 2014 at 20:15
At a gut level, I have been very uncomfortable with the use of drones, by both Bush and Obama. When I discuss the issue with conservative neighbors, they seem to think drones are great and they have no hesitation about using them. I typically ask them questions like “How would you feel if the Canadian government started flying drones into Maine and firing rockets at people they believed to be a threat to Canada?”.
Nobody ever seems to take this seriously. I guess it’s what happens when you’re isolated from most of the world by two oceans.
I’m not a big fan of Ralph Nader, but I was glad when he started making noise about this issue. I haven’t seen what I would call “vigorous” debate about this issue on either the right or the left, and that concerns me.
I think the Left (and some of us on the Right, e.g. McCain) were correct to question waterboarding. But where is the debate about the use of drones? It seems that everyone is just accepting it as the lesser of evils. Isn’t that the same rationale that was used to justify waterboarding?
You said that you are not a fan, but the alternative is more people getting killed. That’s the same rationale that Bush/Cheney used to justify waterboarding (i.e. to protect innocent civilians).
Is it possible that, on this particular, I am farther to the left that you? Because if I had to choose between two presidential candidates where one expressed no reservations about drone strikes, and the other expressed serious reservations, my gut instinct would be to favor the second candidate, all else being equal.
You might say that I’m naïve, but I worry that we’re too focused on short-term considerations while ignoring the longer-term implications. I just can’t shake the feeling that someday we’re going to regret using these drones.
Anomaly 100 July 28th, 2014 at 22:53
Again, as repeatedly stated in this thread, it’s been a very big issue with the left.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 12:58
“Silence of the Shams”. I know right? Completely silent when the issue of drones killing civilians was brought up.
arc99 July 28th, 2014 at 13:11
another change of subject.
a clear sign that right wingers have nothing to offer but intellectually bankrupt criticism and have no real answers to much of anything.
Mo Reno July 28th, 2014 at 13:18
But, but, but “symbolism!”
Nomad July 28th, 2014 at 13:19
I was waiting for him to suggest a cream pie in Putin’s face.
Mo Reno July 28th, 2014 at 13:21
“Putin wants to be the top hat in Monopoly, so YOU pick the top hat in Monopoly!”
Now that’s showing him!
Nomad July 28th, 2014 at 13:47
By the way, did you hear Hillary Clinton’s assessment of Putin on CNN yesterday? Basically she described him like a real stick in the mud. The kind that sits alone in the corner at parties and gets drunk and says bitter things at strangers.
Pilotshark July 28th, 2014 at 15:20
Putin/Palin 2016
a p party they all can wizzz to.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 13:19
It’s not a change of subject, Gidley specifically addressed it in his response and the panel blew past it. Another sign that left wingers can’t bring themselves to face the fact that Obama is Bush 2.0 when it comes to a lot of the things he campaigned against then ignored once in power.
Nomad July 28th, 2014 at 13:17
Do Republicans really wish to get into a debate who killed more innocent civilians, Obama or the last administration? Iraq Body Count project lists 112,667–123,284 civilian deaths from violence and 66,081 civilian deaths is the figure given by Classified Iraq War Logs.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 13:20
Not really, unless you want to do the same for both soldiers and civilians in Afghanistan.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 14:32
I’m waiting for you to post a photo or 3 of yourself, in uniform, going to fight the wars you endorse. Until then, you’re another warmonger who wants my nephews killed, instead of cowardly YOU!
R.J. Carter July 28th, 2014 at 16:23
And then there’s this:
Death Toll, American Military Casualties
WAR …. DEM ….. REP
WWI 116,516
WWII 405399
Korea 36516
Vietnam 29104.5 ….. 29104.5
Gulf War ….. 294
Afghanistan 1114.5 …. 1114.5
Iraq 2244 …. 2244
TOTAL 590,894 (D) …. 32,757 (R)
(If a war spanned multiple administrations, I divided the total — for instance, Vietnam spanned two Republican and two Democrat administrations.)
(Edited one last time to say: May, I’ve got to try doing HTML tables in this thing sometime, just to see if they work, because text doesn’t.)
Larry Schmitt July 29th, 2014 at 07:21
Your table is meaningless. You can’t compare WWII with Afghanistn. Not all wars are created equal. Most people on this site would agree we shouldn’t have been in Afghanistan in the first place, but I don’t think too many will say we shouldn’t have been in WWII.
R.J. Carter July 29th, 2014 at 09:23
There were actually quite a few people who didn’t think we should enter WWII. In fact, we had to be dragged into it.
Larry Schmitt July 29th, 2014 at 09:39
At the time, yes. But no one today thinks that.
Anomaly 100 July 28th, 2014 at 13:19
I’m not a fan of drones but the alternative is more people getting killed and boots on the ground.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 13:20
Who precisely is calling for boots on the ground?
Nomad July 28th, 2014 at 13:27
So what are your choices then.. drones or abusive language? This whole argument is purpose-built no win situation for Obama.The republicans never gave a hoot when civilians died and hardly gave a hoot when American servicemen died. But when drone strikes result in civilian casualties, they are suddenly humanitarians. If Obama listened to them, they would turn right around and call him weak for not doing anything. Personally I think attack drones (as opposed to surveillance) should be outlawed along with land mines and half a dozen other examples of lethal hardware.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 13:33
First, I could give a hoot what you attribute to Republicans as saying, thinking, or feeling, I am not one. I don’t agree with drone strikes against civilians and neither do a lot of folks on the left, but they sure are silent about the expansion(understatement) of their use under Obama.
arc99 July 28th, 2014 at 13:39
as is the case with most criticism coming from the right, your claims of “silence” from the left are demonstrably false.
here is one prominent example among many. you are entitled to your opinions, even if those opinions consist of BS made up out of thin air.
https://www.aclu.org/blog/tag/drones
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 13:48
I guess when I say silence, I am referring to the fact that you have to actively search for examples such as the link you posted during this administration as opposed to having them spoon fed to us regularly on the nightly news during the previous one. Where are the protestors camped out at Obamas private residence, or putting up displays of boots, or screaming into cameras that Obama is a criminal?
Anomaly 100 July 28th, 2014 at 14:04
That’s just not true.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 14:12
what’s not true?
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 14:30
Every word you have written here is untrue.
Bunya July 28th, 2014 at 14:09
Good question. Where ARE the republican/conservative protestors camping out at the president’s private residence, screaming for his impeachment? If you recall, it was liberals who protested Bush’s unnecessary war, not conservatives.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 14:14
Yes, and where are the liberals now that Obama has expanded the drone strikes, and that exponentially more soldiers and civilians died in Afghanistan under Obama than Bush, and Gitmo is still open? Where are they?
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 14:30
We could attack, with troops, instead of using drones. When will you be volunteering for those missions?
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 14:29
You’re lying, Jeff. “Silence” has a real definition, and you’re incapable of telling the truth about what “silence” means. Words mean things…remember that next time you’re full of it.
deckbose July 28th, 2014 at 14:12
As for the so-called “expansion(understatement) of their use under Obama,” perhaps you should check the most recent statistics.
“But the administration has scaled back its use of drones in recent years. Pakistan was the target of 28 drones strikes in 2013, down from a high of 117 in 2010, according to the Long War Journal. The president launched his first strike against Pakistan on Jan. 23, 2009 — his third day in office.
And though the administration has struck Yemen three times so far this year, drone strikes were down in 2013 at 26, from a 2012 high of 41.”
http://www.nationaljournal.com/defense/five-years-later-u-s-drone-use-on-the-decline-20140124
This same information is available at Foreign Policy and NPR:
http://complex.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/03/28/afghan_drone_war_in_steep_decline
http://www.npr.org/2014/02/08/273577653/declining-drone-strikes-give-cover-to-pakistans-peace-talks
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 14:22
Nice cherry picking of the article:
“The imprecision on exactly how many drones strikes the United States has used, or how many people have been killed, underscores the lack of transparency surrounding the U.S. drone campaign.
And though the president pledged last year to be more transparent about his administration’s use of drones, as ProPublica notes key questions still remain including how many civilians the administration believes it has killed, how it makes it targets, or the specific legal reasoning it uses for the strikes.”
So what you are saying is that what counts is how many times drones were sent out, not body counts or justifications. What is the greater data to track, no. of flights, cost of fuel, time, and personnel in implementing missions (supports “scaled back”), or human lives?
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 14:27
I’m sure you never breathed a WORD against the previous administration’s drone usage. I’ll also bet my left nut that you still think Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, and that Saddam was directly linked to Al Quaeda. Your attacks on this administration are transparent nonsense.
deckbose July 28th, 2014 at 14:28
Cherry-picking with three different sources? The only cherry-picking here is you finding the one paragraph that adds a certain fog to their own statistics. Google it yourself. Drone use is on the decline for the last two years, meaning the number of people killed is in steep decline. Why don’t you do a little research before spewing nonsense? Show me a link that refutes what I sent you.
http://thinkprogress.org/world/2014/02/03/3239111/drones-month-january-2014/
http://www.maxresistance.com/afghan-drone-war-in-steep-decline/
http://www.lobelog.com/drone-strikes-on-the-decline/
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/31/deaths-drone-strikes-obama-policy-change
“President Barack Obama’s mid-year decision to wind down drone strikes has accounted for a lower number of deaths resulting from such actions in 2013, newly compiled data indicates.
Sifting through the estimates of three non-governmental organizations, the Council on Foreign Relations scholar Micah Zenko published on Tuesday a tally of drone strikes in Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia, the central theaters of deadly and formally undeclared counterterrorism operations run in official secrecy.
While specific figures are difficult to narrow down and even harder to verify, the number of strikes, almost exclusively by drones, declined in 2013, as did the casualties they caused. Between the three countries, there were around 55 strikes this year, a substantial drop from the roughly 92 in 2012. In 2013 the strikes killed up to 271 people, down from an estimate of between 505 and 532 in 2012. Approximately one in every nine to 10 deaths is a civilian. The data comes from estimates compiled by the New America Foundation, the Long War Journal and the Bureau of Investigative Journalism.”
Does that clarify your absurd obfuscation about body counts?
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 15:00
There is no refutation necessary. The article is clear when it asserts that there is no verifiable information or statistics on numbers of people killed. A decline in number of times the little buggers flew does not equate to a decline in number of deaths caused by them. If you are relying the fox to accurately report the number of casualties in the henhouse, then good luck with that and I have waterfront property to sell you.
deckbose July 28th, 2014 at 15:08
Which is the part about this you don’t understand?
“While specific figures are difficult to narrow down and even harder to verify, the number of strikes, almost exclusively by drones, declined in 2013, as did the casualties they caused. Between the three countries, there were around 55 strikes this year, a substantial drop from the roughly 92 in 2012. In 2013 the strikes killed up to 271 people, down from an estimate of between 505 and 532 in 2012. Approximately one in every nine to 10 deaths is a civilian. The data comes from estimates compiled by the New America Foundation, the Long War Journal and the Bureau of Investigative Journalism.”
Despite your inability to comprehend the language here, it’s the specific numbers that are “harder to verify,” not the fact that there has been a steep decline.
But it’s always refreshing to see someone ignore data put right in their faces, like a petulant child covering his ears and eyes and screaming so as not to hear a word.
R.J. Carter July 28th, 2014 at 15:10
Isn’t that just another way of saying, “We don’t know how many there were, but we bet there were fewer of them.” Somebody calls that “truthiness.”
deckbose July 28th, 2014 at 15:16
I suppose if your entire understanding of the topic is restricted to that one sentence, sure. Ignoring everything that follows that sentence and the rest of the source material makes it easy to appear dense.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 15:22
Again, fox/henhouse. Not a great source for even the “harder to verify” types of information. I recall the left taking a Berean approach to every bit of information that came out of the previous administration, yet swallow whole, every tidbit that the current one puts out. Amazing how our trust level “evolves”
deckbose July 28th, 2014 at 15:34
No, actually, the amazing part is the evolution of mistrust and the way it infects people across the political spectrum. To such an extent that some people clearly believe being a full-time skeptic makes them appear intelligent, despite their obvious inability to separate the wheat from the chaff, as it were.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 15:41
McCain called for troops, in multiple countries. You can deny that, but it simply proves that you are a partisan, unlike your claims.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 15:40
You can stick your head in the sand, but McCain called for troops on FOX NEWS. Where do you expect the link to go. That’s where he was interviewed, and that’s where his quote is. You simply cannot admit that an elected republican called for troops, so you’re playing games. McCain called for troops, that proves you wrong. Get over it.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 14:25
Total garbage. Liberals have decried drone strikes by Obama, but Breitfart won’t tell you that, will they, so you missed it.
R.J. Carter July 28th, 2014 at 15:07
LOL! “Breitfart”
Okay, trollblock applied.
Anomaly 100 July 28th, 2014 at 13:31
Well unless you can cross your arms (I dream of Jeannie-style) and take out certain terrorists….
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 13:36
No, it’s a legitimate question. Each time this has been debated in the media, the lefts answer has been “Well the Republicans want to go to war” or “the right’s only answer is boots on the ground”. Quote the folks(elected officials who actually have that power) who are calling for war, otherwise it’s just adherence to talking points.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 14:12
McCain has already called for troops and missiles to be deployed. Here’s what he told KKKLanity: “So, first, give the Ukrainians weapons to defend themselves and regain their territory. Second of all, move troops into areas being threatened by Vladimir Putin, other countries like the Baltics and others. Move missile defense into places we got out of, like the Czech Republic and Poland. That’s just for openers.”
So, Jeff…you’re 100% wrong. I await your apology to us liberals…looks like we have a lot more than talking points. Your side has NEVER seen a war they didn’t want my young nephews to be killed in. Are you willing to be deployed to the Czech Republic, Poland, or “the Baltics”? I hope so….the rest of us are SICK of fighting your wars. YOU GO FIGHT!!!
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 14:31
Can you link that? I’m not accusing or doubting, just missed where McCain called for that.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 14:36
Your ignorance has been called out. I’m a computer dolt and cannot cut and paste, so I’ll tell you what every troll like you tells me: GOOGLE IT! It was said on Hannity’s show, 6 days after the plane was shot down. This is where an adult would admit they’re wrong, and apologize to all the people your sweeping generalization was wrong about.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 14:39
Are you willing to call McCain out?
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 14:48
I haven’t yet seen nor heard him call for war, or putting boots on the ground in either Russia or the Ukraine. All I have to go on so far is an apoplectic attack on every one of my posts in this thread. When you take a deep breath, count to ten, and then reread my posts, you won’t see me calling for war, or boots on the ground. If you have read my responses with much regularity, I mainly call out misinformation (in this instance, it is the “Republicans want nothing but war” mantra). I don’t in any way favor military intervention with Russia, never indicated it, and challenge anyone to prove otherwise (I’ll make it easy, click on my profile and you can read every single post I have written, neatly archived in chronological order). If indeed someone finds a legislator calling for war with Russia, or US troops in either Russia or the Ukraine, I will be the first to place an asshat on them.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 14:48
You’re just unable to admit you’re full of crappola, Jeff.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 14:53
If I was full of crapola, I would be the first to admit it. I’ve done it on here before, you need to relax first, read responses with critical thinking skills second, and allow yourself either a couple of sips of a fine spirit or a Xanax.
mea_mark July 28th, 2014 at 14:56
Careful now, lets not get overheated.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 15:38
I just posted a link, but this site is adding it’s info to what I posted. How do I get the link to post without having this extra stuff added to it? When my link is clicked, the browser shows my link, but the site is adding nonsense to my link.
mea_mark July 28th, 2014 at 16:35
I don’t know what is going on. We are having problems today, site keeps going down, that could have something to do with it. It should work.
R.J. Carter July 28th, 2014 at 15:06
I’m still looking for the link that you’re acting like you already published. Guess it must be further down the thread.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 15:09
I don’t post links…don’t have clue how to do so. Are you denying that McCain wants troops?
R.J. Carter July 28th, 2014 at 15:11
“I don’t post links…don’t have clue how to do so.”
I don’t believe you.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 15:21
I just posted the link.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 15:19
Here it is: http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/hannity/transcript/2014/07/18/exclusive-sen-mccain-calls-obama-awol-downed-airliner-and-ukraine-russia
link fixed ~ mea mark
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 15:27
All I get is “404 Error! Page Not Found” when I click on it.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 15:34
This site is adding the entire url for this page…copy and paste what I posted, and this site will not add something to it. Or google: “McCain, Ukraine, AWOL, Obama.” Are you now going to deny what he said?
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 15:41
I actually found it by using the first part of the link you posted and drilling down. See, if given the opportunity, you can do it. Good job! Although McCain falls short of calling for war, and putting troops in Russia or the Ukraine, I’ll give his idea a big asshat (never been a McCain fan outside of tremendous respect for what he endured while a POW). Now I have to eat a smidgeon of crow (unless you define smidgeon in terms of IRS corruption) since you found one Senator who moves towards military posturing therefore the assertion is supported that the right has no other solution than war and boots on the ground.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 15:43
Yeah….he wants the troops to do nothing. Sure. You still can’t admit you were wrong, can you?
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 16:26
Is your ego that fragile? OK here it is, I was absolutely 100% wrong, the only solution Republicans have is to go to war with Russia and send troops directly into Ukraine. It is a solution that is clearly articulated by Senator John McCain (R) from AZ and robustly and publically supported by not only all his fellow Republican Senators, but by all Republican House members, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, FoxNews, the NRA, the KKK, the PGA, and registered Republicans all across ‘Merica. Did I cover it?
R.J. Carter July 28th, 2014 at 16:27
You left out Girl Scout Troop #367, Poughkeepsie.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 16:31
Wait a minute, are you implying that the cookie sales are a front to fund covert Republican activities?
R.J. Carter July 28th, 2014 at 16:37
Do you have any idea the profits on Thin Mints alone? $6 a box for what are basically $2.25 Keebler Grasshoppers? C’mon!
Nomad July 28th, 2014 at 16:07
It sounds like something McCain would say so I googled and found this:
http://www.wibc.com/news/political/senator-mccain-american-troops-needed-support-ukraine
and then there’s this:
“Ukraine is going to need a long-term military assistance program from the United States — equipment both lethal and nonlethal,” said McCain. “They ask for some modest means that can help them resist. I believe we should provide it.”
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/03/15/john-mccain-u-s-should-provide-long-term-military-help-to-ukraine-resist-russia/
In an official statement McCain was a little more “cagey”
“It is incumbent upon the Administration and our NATO allies to quickly undertake a range of actions that include providing the military assistance requested by the Ukrainian government
to defend their country, shifting additional NATO assets and capabilities to eastern Europe, conducting NATO military exercises there and in the Baltics,”
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 15:05
You won’t call McCain out…in spite of your claim that you would. Got it.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 15:17
I have no evidence upon which to call him out. You have the ability to lay down rapid-fire insults on multiple responses in immediate succession, but not to Google things? I’m not buying that.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 14:48
Have you retreated to get new talking points, Jeff?
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 14:50
No, I was typing a response to one of your 7 other ones you laid down. General thread etiquette understands that momentary lapses in responses are due to things like, having a life outside of the keyboard.
Laura Flannery July 28th, 2014 at 15:19
We also could build the missle shield that Obama cancelled.
wpadon July 28th, 2014 at 15:59
Do you mean that missile shield that can’t hit anything.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-missile-defense-20140615-story.html#page=1
Laura Flannery July 28th, 2014 at 17:05
We can use the same technology that they are using in Israel. I would imagine we helped develop and fund it. It has a 90% success ratio.
wpadon July 28th, 2014 at 17:40
My article was about the system we have in the US under GWB, and I think it was the system GWB proposed to install in Poland.
Laura Flannery July 28th, 2014 at 18:38
I’m not sure, but it would be wise to use a system that is already developed and has proven to be effective.
Dwendt44 July 29th, 2014 at 00:16
That system is designed for ‘local’ low altitude missiles, not ICBM type that drop in from straight up (+/-) at high speed.
William July 28th, 2014 at 18:13
Not only is an anti ICBM system in place, but it has been upgraded under the Obama administration. The system proposed for Europe was cancelled, for lack of funds. Considering the EU has the funds to pay for it’s own system, that was a good decision.
http://www.news.com.au/world/united-states-adds-14-anti-missile-defence-launchers-to-alaska-california/story-fndir2ev-1226598715301
Tammy Minton Haley July 28th, 2014 at 16:15
it’s you! hey, you!
still done with MMFA? i’ve been hanging around here for a couple weeks–great to see you–hey, did i hear you were selling the ranch?
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 17:02
I’m banned at MMFA! The trolls rage on, but I got “poofed”! The day after Christmas, I told Pattypoptart off…and I was gone. Yes…ranch is for sale, whether I like it or not. Taking the proceeds back to Austin.
mea_mark July 28th, 2014 at 17:24
Well, you are welcome here. Just try and flag people first and let us do the banning. The Trolls will not rage on here. Ask neworleans or fantagor or rustyshaskleford, we try and keep things under control.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 17:30
That’s part of the reason I’m here. Thanks!
mea_mark July 28th, 2014 at 17:35
I just fixed your link, don’t know what happened but I replaced it with a working one. In the future try not to use right-wing links, we kinda discourage that.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 17:41
I abhor rightist/racist links, too. But, the interview was on Fox, and I could not find anywhere else where the full transcript was available. And, since it was nothing but quotes, and not opinion, I went with the Fox link. Any of the posters you listed previously can vouch for the fact that using the Foxtitutes as evidence is NOT my normal modus operandi! lol!
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 17:44
Here’s another question from a computer dope: Why is my Disqus avatar being displayed? I created a new one, on this site, and the tiny,”Welcome, RioBravoHombre” message in the upper right shows my new av. Sorry…computers make me wonder and worry, I don’t understand them in the least. Thanks!
mea_mark July 28th, 2014 at 17:54
I think we only use disqus avatars for comments. That Avatar you are seeing is in “wordpress” that is what are Blog uses. I don’t think it is possible for it to show up in your comments here unless you move it/share it to/with disqus and then it will show up everywhere you use disqus to comment.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 17:59
Thanks, friend…live long, and prosper!
Tammy Minton Haley July 28th, 2014 at 19:31
it’s why i spend less and less time at Media Matters–and more and more time here… :)
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 19:37
Honestly, it’s just disgusting what is permitted to go on there.
OldLefty July 28th, 2014 at 20:01
What is permitted to go on there?
Tammy Minton Haley July 28th, 2014 at 20:07
oh, honey…it’s…just…SO bad…it might be the worst-trolled liberal site on-line…
NOT kidding…
go now, check it out on a newer thread…you’ll see what’s allowed…
mediamatters.org
OldLefty July 28th, 2014 at 20:18
Looks the same as all sites to me.
Tammy Minton Haley July 28th, 2014 at 20:19
no…you’re not understanding…
OldLefty July 28th, 2014 at 20:25
Guess not.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 20:15
Honestly….it’s hard to fully describe what happens when Stormfront racists are allowed to post any pornographic child rape fantasy imaginable.
Tammy Minton Haley July 28th, 2014 at 20:09
un-holygod-believable, sometimes…
remember the XXXXX-rated avatars “FilthTroll” used? and how he tormented Oedipus about being non-sighted, teasing him about pencils…oh, how i hated that troll!
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 20:12
Have you heard from OED?
Tammy Minton Haley July 28th, 2014 at 20:17
no…not for months…his disqus account is inactive–still there, just not used…
last i knew, he’d had the implant for the migraine-relief removed–that was it…i spoke to his mother…
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 20:19
I used to get emails, he was going to help me make my ranch site more friendly to the blind…and then nothing. I pray he’s ok. There was NOTHING worse than Filth troll wishing for him to die. These people have been whipped into a frenzy of hatred unequaled by anything my KKK relatives could do.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 20:14
I was banned the day before filth troll was outed. He just got outed again, a few minutes ago, using his link to his FB. Yet…I am banned and that dangerous loon, who posted chid rape porn, and threatened posters AND THEIR CHILDREN, is permitted to run rampant.
Tammy Minton Haley July 28th, 2014 at 19:32
Austin suits you… :)
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 19:41
I’m waaaaaaay out ion the middle of nowhere, and the Obama derangement amongst some of my neighbors is astonishing. I recently got followed into the Post Office parking lot by and old man, who was SCREAMING at me about how Obama stole the election, and claiming out town of 900 had over 1200 VERIFIED phony ballots…he was purplefaced, with spittle flying everywhere. The next time he saw me, he apologized…with his wife glaring at him while he did it, it was obvious she had been humiliated by his nuttiness in public.
mea_mark July 28th, 2014 at 19:51
Man I can relate to that. Living in the middle of nowhere Texas sure does have its challenges.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 20:09
I’m not kidding about the “middle of nowhere”: http://www.birdsongoutpost.com This is my guest ranch. I’m 3 miles from my only neighbor…8 miles to a paved road…28 miles to a town with 2 gas stations, Sanderson, Texas…93 miles to a grocery store.
mea_mark July 28th, 2014 at 20:24
I remember, you sent me a link a couple years ago about it when I was a regular at MMfA. I am only slightly more civilized, nearest small town 15 miles away. Good thing though Austin is only about an hour away.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 20:44
I’m 321 miles to Austin. I’m considering making a run there tomorrow, to fill my vaporizer.
Tammy Minton Haley July 28th, 2014 at 20:11
oh
my
god
why…who…how come…
M-O-V-E!!
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 20:21
If you know anyone with $600,000 they want to spend on a ranch, tell them to call me.
Nomad July 28th, 2014 at 13:44
I prefer to make my nose twitch.
Anomaly 100 July 28th, 2014 at 14:03
That works, too.
Robert M. Snyder July 28th, 2014 at 20:15
At a gut level, I have been very uncomfortable with the use of drones, by both Bush and Obama. When I discuss the issue with conservative neighbors, they seem to think drones are great and they have no hesitation about using them. I typically ask them questions like “How would you feel if the Canadian government started flying drones into Maine and firing rockets at people they believed to be a threat to Canada?”.
Nobody ever seems to take this seriously. I guess it’s what happens when you’re isolated from most of the world by two oceans.
I’m not a big fan of Ralph Nader, but I was glad when he started making noise about this issue. I haven’t seen what I would call “vigorous” debate about this issue on either the right or the left, and that concerns me.
I think the Left (and some of us on the Right, e.g. McCain) were correct to question waterboarding. But where is the debate about the use of drones? It seems that everyone is just accepting it as the lesser of evils. Isn’t that the same rationale that was used to justify waterboarding?
You said that you are not a fan, but the alternative is more people getting killed. That’s the same rationale that Bush/Cheney used to justify waterboarding (i.e. to protect innocent civilians).
Is it possible that, on this particular, I am farther to the left that you? Because if I had to choose between two presidential candidates where one expressed no reservations about drone strikes, and the other expressed serious reservations, my gut instinct would be to favor the second candidate, all else being equal.
You might say that I’m naïve, but I worry that we’re too focused on short-term considerations while ignoring the longer-term implications. I just can’t shake the feeling that someday we’re going to regret using these drones.
Anomaly 100 July 28th, 2014 at 22:53
Again, as repeatedly stated in this thread, it’s been a very big issue with the left.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 13:15
Not a change of subject, Gidley specifically addressed it in his response and the panel blew past it. Another sign that left wingers can’t bring themselves to face the fact that Obama is Bush 2.0 when it comes to a lot if the things he campaigned against then ignored once in power.
Jeff Allen July 28th, 2014 at 13:15
moved response to reply column for continuity
OldLefty July 28th, 2014 at 13:38
Actually;
President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia asked his Parliament to rescind the permission that it had given him to send troops into Ukraine.
Obama’s Understated Foreign Policy Gains
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/10/opinion/obamas-understated-foreign-policy-gains.html?_r=0
Obama’s strategy of letting Putin hang himself is working
http://www.vox.com/2014/5/16/5717674/obamas-plan-to-let-putin-hang-himself-is-working
Can Vladimir Putin Survive?
http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2014/07/22/can_vladimir_putin_survive.html
Nomad July 28th, 2014 at 13:52
I think the GOP are simply blaming Obama for living in the real world- post Bush. If we have lost respect in the world, it might just be because we demanded other nations follow us into a disastrous, illegal and unnecessary war. We lost respect because every time an ally tried to give us good advice, Americans mocked and called them traitors. Hurrah for Freedom Fries!
The rest of the world doesn’t forget as quickly as the average American does, apparently.
Bunya July 28th, 2014 at 14:04
I also think it’s because, no matter what this president does or decides to do, it’s never going to be good enough for the GOP.
peacedreamer July 29th, 2014 at 01:50
Putin’s estimated personal financial worth is $60 billion. I think he’ll be just fine.
peacedreamer July 29th, 2014 at 02:01
He’s probably well invested in multinational corps via a wise financial investing firm. Russia has come a long way since they moved toward capitalism.
OldLefty July 28th, 2014 at 13:38
Actually;
President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia asked his Parliament to rescind the permission that it had given him to send troops into Ukraine.
Obama’s Understated Foreign Policy Gains
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/10/opinion/obamas-understated-foreign-policy-gains.html?_r=0
Obama’s strategy of letting Putin hang himself is working
http://www.vox.com/2014/5/16/5717674/obamas-plan-to-let-putin-hang-himself-is-working
Can Vladimir Putin Survive?
http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/2014/07/22/can_vladimir_putin_survive.html
Nomad July 28th, 2014 at 13:52
I think the GOP are simply blaming Obama for living in the real world- post Bush. If we have lost respect in the world, it might just be because we demanded other nations follow us into a disastrous, illegal and unnecessary war. We lost respect because every time an ally tried to give us good advice, Americans mocked and called them traitors. Hurrah for Freedom Fries!
The rest of the world doesn’t forget as quickly as the average American does, apparently.
Bunya July 28th, 2014 at 14:04
I also think it’s because, no matter what this president does or decides to do, it’s never going to be good enough for the GOP.
peacedreamer July 29th, 2014 at 01:50
Putin’s estimated personal financial worth is $60 billion. I think he’ll be just fine.
peacedreamer July 29th, 2014 at 02:01
He’s probably well invested in multinational corps via a wise financial investing firm. Russia has come a long way since they moved toward capitalism.
Jim Valley July 28th, 2014 at 14:33
I kind of like that Gidley guy. A guilty pleasure, I guess.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 14:37
Strange. I wanted to see the lying shill start to choke on his lies.
Jim Valley July 28th, 2014 at 18:42
I know, I know. It’s weird. The worst part is, he used to be Huckabee’s guy! But he was on MSNBC a lot, and I’m telling you, the guy was MUCH more reasonable and palatable than any other right-wing spokesman I know of, except perhaps Michael Steele on his very best days.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 19:04
Maher sure did stump him. That TeaParty loon, Matt Kibbe was made to look so foolish that he went silent for the duration of the panel.
Jim Valley July 28th, 2014 at 14:33
I kind of like that Gidley guy. A guilty pleasure, I guess.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 14:37
Strange. I wanted to see the lying shill start to choke on his lies.
Jim Valley July 28th, 2014 at 18:42
I know, I know. It’s weird. The worst part is, he used to be Huckabee’s guy! But he was on MSNBC a lot, and I’m telling you, the guy was MUCH more reasonable and palatable than any other right-wing spokesman I know of, except perhaps Michael Steele on his very best days.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 19:04
Maher sure did stump him. That TeaParty loon, Matt Kibbe was made to look so foolish that he went silent for the duration of the panel.
Laura Flannery July 28th, 2014 at 15:17
We can start by halting all Aeroflot flights into America. We can cut off any banking that is being done in the USA. We can stop Western Union fro letting any Russians here send money back home. We can cripple Russia finacially, they are teetering on the brink of financial ruin as it is. We can also help those chickens in Europe by suppling them with Natural gas and oil. For Starters.
Dwendt44 July 29th, 2014 at 00:08
And then what? What would we keep in reserve in case Russian actually invaded Ukraine? If we shoot it all at once, then what?
Laura Flannery July 29th, 2014 at 16:42
I believe we must start somewhere. Now we learn that they have broken Treaty’s with us and have been since 2008. If our President took these actions, the economy of Russia would suffer greatly. Putin is running rough shod over Europe and the USA. What do you feel will be effective and would get Putins attention?
Laura Flannery July 28th, 2014 at 15:17
We can start by halting all Aeroflot flights into America. We can cut off any banking that is being done in the USA. We can stop Western Union fro letting any Russians here send money back home. We can cripple Russia finacially, they are teetering on the brink of financial ruin as it is. We can also help those chickens in Europe by suppling them with Natural gas and oil. For Starters.
Dwendt44 July 29th, 2014 at 00:08
And then what? What would we keep in reserve in case Russian actually invaded Ukraine? If we shoot it all at once, then what?
Laura Flannery July 29th, 2014 at 16:42
I believe we must start somewhere. Now we learn that they have broken Treaty’s with us and have been since 2008. If our President took these actions, the economy of Russia would suffer greatly. Putin is running rough shod over Europe and the USA. What do you feel will be effective and would get Putins attention?
fantagor July 28th, 2014 at 16:37
The conservative cause would be well served to hire representatives who don’t fit right into a Far Side cartoon.
fantagor July 28th, 2014 at 16:37
The conservative cause would be well served to hire representatives who don’t fit seamlessly into a Far Side cartoon.
ExRadioGuy15 July 28th, 2014 at 18:06
LMAO….I could have told you beforehand that the Fascist GOP’s psychopathic or sociopathic rhetoric can be easily exposed with one or two simple questions. And, as you saw, neither one of those psychopaths answered the question directly…they just spewed the Fascist GOP propaganda. Finally, Gidley at least tried to answer, but that was only after spewing the propaganda first.
Listen up, people: the GOP have no new ideas…NONE….all of their ideas/philosophies are OLD and Fascism-based, every last one of them. You need to get over your fear, ignorance and cognitive dissonance, people: the GOP are FASCISTS! And, they’re counting on you being apathetic and refusing to leave your comfort zone about that sad fact. I’ll paraphrase a quote I’ve seen a lot: “the truth will eventually set you free, but it’ll piss you off at first”….
Skip Patterson July 28th, 2014 at 23:18
Right-Wing Christofascist is what I am referring to them these days as it is a more accurate and pointed term to communicate what they are at the core level..
Michelle Rhoades July 29th, 2014 at 04:43
As there is actually no Christ in their Christianity I prefer to call them KKKristshuns, As in they shun everything in red in that book they supposedly think is so sacred..
ExRadioGuy15 July 28th, 2014 at 18:06
LMAO….I could have told you beforehand that the Fascist GOP’s psychopathic or sociopathic rhetoric can be easily exposed with one or two simple questions. And, as you saw, neither one of those psychopaths answered the question directly…they just spewed the Fascist GOP propaganda. Finally, Gidley at least tried to answer, but that was only after spewing the propaganda first.
Listen up, people: the GOP have no new ideas…NONE….all of their ideas/philosophies are OLD and Fascism-based, every last one of them. You need to get over your fear, ignorance and cognitive dissonance, people: the GOP are FASCISTS! And, they’re counting on you being apathetic and refusing to leave your comfort zone about that sad fact. I’ll paraphrase a quote I’ve seen a lot: “the truth will eventually set you free, but it’ll piss you off at first”….
Skip Patterson July 28th, 2014 at 23:18
Right-Wing Christofascist is what I am referring to them these days as it is a more accurate and pointed term to communicate what they are at the core level..
Michelle Rhoades July 29th, 2014 at 04:43
As there is actually no Christ in their Christianity I prefer to call them KKKristshuns, As in they shun everything in red in that book they supposedly think is so sacred..
mea_mark July 28th, 2014 at 20:24
I remember, you sent me a link a couple years ago about it when I was a regular at MMfA. I am only slightly more civilized, nearest small town 15 miles away. Good thing though Austin is only about an hour away.
RioBravoHombre July 28th, 2014 at 20:44
I’m 321 miles to Austin. I’m considering making a run there tomorrow, to fill my vaporizer.
Skip Patterson July 28th, 2014 at 23:16
Wow, they’re throwing George Jr. under the bus but I guess it was his time. They haven’t said much about him since 2009, or the great accomplishments he made primarily because he didn’t have any. He put us in the whole 6.6 trillions and right-wing Christofascist haven’t said a peep about the poor children who are going to be saddled with this debt from here to eternity. But it looks like they are getting desperate now that the midterms are starting to loom large and they’re not 100% positive that they have all of their disenfranchisement laws in place which might at least give them a chance. So I think it’s safe to say we’ll see George get slapped around a few more times until November.