Will The Federal Government Ever Stand Up To Racist Bigots?

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The crisis created by our broken immigration system and children fleeing violence in Central America reached a dramatic fever pitch on Tuesday, as anti-immigrant protesters physically attempted to block buses headed for a Border Patrol center in Murrieta, California. Not to be messed with, immigration officials arrested the protesters, and the buses continued on their way.

Oh, wait, sorry, that’s what happens when people try to protest deportations. If you’re a pissed-off mob of bigoted anti-immigrant xenophobes, you get your way. Three buses, containing about 140 immigration detainees (mostly women and children) who fled Central America for our southern border, were turned away from the Border Patrol station in Murrieta, California by a mob of about 150 protesters, who chanted “Go home!”, “We want to be safe,” and, of course, “USA! USA!”

Still, maybe they were all just patriotic Americans with a legitimate police gripe, and not a bunch of racist assholes. Or maybe not:

Lupillo Rivera, 42, of Temecula, said he was driving by when he noticed the protest. He said somebody shouted that he was an illegal immigrant and should go home.

Rivera, a well-known Mexican banda singer who is a U.S. citizen, went home and returned with several of his friends and bandmates to confront the protesters.

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By: Tommy Christopher

Tommy Christopher is The Daily Banter's White House Correspondent and Political Analyst. He's been a political reporter and liberal commentator since 2007, and has covered the White House since the beginning of the Obama administration, first for PoliticsDaily, and then for Mediaite. Christopher is a frequent guest on a variety of television, radio, and online programs, and was the villain in the documentaries The Audacity of Democracy and Hating Breitbart. He's also That Guy Who Live-Tweeted His Own Heart Attack, and the only person to have ever received public apologies from both Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck.

225 responses to Will The Federal Government Ever Stand Up To Racist Bigots?

  1. R.J. Carter July 3rd, 2014 at 12:36

    Hmm. So the protesters blocking the bus should have been arrested? Or the illegal immigrants should not have been arrested (for, you know, not being illegal)? I’m trying to decide…

    • Billy Jackson July 3rd, 2014 at 12:37

      The bus should have kept moving and run over the idiots too dumb to get the f out of the way.

      Then, the illegals should have been processed and deported.

      • R.J. Carter July 3rd, 2014 at 12:47

        I’ve said that about every Occupy and Greenpeace demonstration. Another point we agree on!

    • Rusty Shackleford July 3rd, 2014 at 12:47

      Refugees are not illegal.

      • Debra Watkins July 3rd, 2014 at 13:20

        Refugees

        Refugee status is a form of protection that may be granted to people who meet the definition of refugee and who are of special humanitarian concern to the United States. Refugees are generally people outside of their country who are unable or unwilling to return home because they fear serious harm. For a legal definition of refugee, see section 101(a)(42) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).

        You may seek a referral for refugee status only from outside of the United States. For more information about refugees, see the “Refugees” section.

        http://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum

        • Rusty Shackleford July 3rd, 2014 at 13:23

          Yes, and? These people are, in fact, fleeing violence. Violence that, if you trace it back, is largely thanks to our imperialistic interference in Central and South America.

          • Debra Watkins July 3rd, 2014 at 13:45

            You think they all have referrals for refugee status?

            • Rusty Shackleford July 3rd, 2014 at 13:48

              Ideologically, I think they shouldn’t have to. Pragmatically, I think it is within law enforcement’s power to delegate where they focus their efforts and resources, and I don’t see deporting people fleeing violence as something worthy of high priority.

              • Debra Watkins July 3rd, 2014 at 15:34

                So maybe you could put a few people up at your place? Got room? Can you afford to feed, clothe, house them? Take them to all their court dates? Assist with their legal fees? Help to educate them? Provide for their medical care? Pay for their folks to join them and put them up too? Just wondering.

            • Carla Akins July 4th, 2014 at 13:48

              You do realize what the conditions are in these countries. They don’t have food, do you think they have paperwork?

          • ChrisVosburg July 3rd, 2014 at 16:16

            There was back in the eighties, you’ll recall, a huge uptick in Salvadoran immigrants, who invariably told me what a swell country the US is.

            I just didn’t have the heart to tell them we’re the reason you had to leave home in the first place.

        • mcalleyboy July 3rd, 2014 at 22:18

          Keep them out, seriously, it’s a burden we don’t need right now.

          • Saint_Augustine July 5th, 2014 at 04:51

            You are no longer part of “we” since you gave up U.S. soil for the Philippines.

            • mcalleyboy July 5th, 2014 at 07:56

              if the economy fails, government is bankrupt there goes my pension then what, I can’t fish, I have few skills if any and the pay here is so low that creating business is a waste of time, nobody has money and they pay almost nothing for services, this includes skilled work. Going wage for a full days job is $1.50

      • mcalleyboy July 3rd, 2014 at 22:17

        They should be, church groups bring them in, many of the states have been flooded with Bosnians, Somali, it gets old already, if you don’t agree live in an apartment complex with Somali’s or try dealing with Bosnians, don’t make broad brush statements about something you won’t deal with.

    • ChrisVosburg July 3rd, 2014 at 16:04

      Good grief. The illegal immigrants had been arrested, and were on their way to a Border Patrol processing station.

      There, they are processed prior to deportation (or maybe not, depending, but still it’s a necessary step), and it is a complicated process. Identity and Country of Origin must be determined (usually they’re not carrying any ID), and if they are to be deported, the appropriate consulate will be persuaded to issue a passport. Serious, you need a Honduras passport to be deported to Honduras.

      Lotta work, and if these brave migrant hating patriots want that to happen, they be better served by getting the hell out the way of the damn bus, and letting the nice Border Patrol do their damn jobs.

      Idiots, the lot of ’em.

    • AnthonyLook July 3rd, 2014 at 22:09

      The immigrants were under the prevue of legal custody and the legal status of “due process”, which the blocking protestors illegally prevented. The lengths you go to defend racism is astounding.

    • Carla Akins July 4th, 2014 at 13:42

      Long and short of it – no one should be arrested for pretesting unless they break the law. Textbook st amendment. However, if people (those witnessing the protest) wish to judge the protesters on their behavior – then they should have considered that before they started. Everyone is welcome to their opinion, there is no requirement for anyone to agree or not vilify you for it.

  2. R.J. Carter July 3rd, 2014 at 12:36

    Hmm. So the protesters blocking the bus should have been arrested? Or the illegal immigrants should not have been arrested (for, you know, not being illegal)? I’m trying to decide…

    • Billy Jackson July 3rd, 2014 at 12:37

      The bus should have kept moving and run over the idiots too dumb to get the f out of the way.

      Then, the illegals should have been processed and deported.

      • R.J. Carter July 3rd, 2014 at 12:47

        I’ve said that about every Occupy and Greenpeace demonstration. Another point we agree on!

        • Billy Jackson July 3rd, 2014 at 12:56

          Regardless of the movement, you should not be allowed to impede the process of people going about their day, nor should be be able to block a public road.

          Homeless guys walking along the freeway are often arrested, so there should be no exception for a dozen bigots blocking the highway. And, as I said, that goes for everyone else. Stand in your appointed protest spot, say your dumb shit, and let everyone just trying to go about their lives, do so without being bombarded with stupid.

    • Rusty Shackleford July 3rd, 2014 at 12:47

      Refugees are not illegal.

      • Debra Watkins July 3rd, 2014 at 13:20

        Refugees

        Refugee status is a form of protection that may be granted to people who meet the definition of refugee and who are of special humanitarian concern to the United States. Refugees are generally people outside of their country who are unable or unwilling to return home because they fear serious harm. For a legal definition of refugee, see section 101(a)(42) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA).

        You may seek a referral for refugee status only from outside of the United States. For more information about refugees, see the “Refugees” section.

        http://www.uscis.gov/humanitarian/refugees-asylum

        • Rusty Shackleford July 3rd, 2014 at 13:23

          Yes, and? These people are, in fact, fleeing violence. Violence that, if you trace it back, is largely thanks to our imperialistic interference in Central and South America.

          • Debra Watkins July 3rd, 2014 at 13:45

            You think they all have referrals for refugee status?

            • Rusty Shackleford July 3rd, 2014 at 13:48

              Ideologically, I think they shouldn’t have to. Pragmatically, I think it is within law enforcement’s power to delegate where they focus their efforts and resources, and I don’t see deporting people fleeing violence as something worthy of high priority.

              • Debra Watkins July 3rd, 2014 at 15:34

                So maybe you could put a few people up at your place? Got room? Can you afford to feed, clothe, house them? Take them to all their court dates? Assist with their legal fees? Help to educate them? Provide for their medical care? Pay for their folks to join them and put them up too? Just wondering.

            • Carla Akins July 4th, 2014 at 13:48

              You do realize what the conditions are in these countries. They don’t have food, do you think they have paperwork?

          • ChrisVosburg July 3rd, 2014 at 16:16

            There was back in the eighties, you’ll recall, a huge uptick in Salvadoran immigrants, who invariably told me what a swell country the US is.

            I just didn’t have the heart to tell them:

            We’re the reason you had to leave home in the first place.

            • bobby1122 July 3rd, 2014 at 16:22

              YOU and Rusty can put these great ILLEGALS up for a couple of years?? http://www.examiner.com/article/illegal-aliens-commit-13-child-molestations-a-day-north-carolina

              • ChrisVosburg July 3rd, 2014 at 16:34

                No, I can’t– I live in small digs in Hollywood that aren’t even big enough for me, and no ICE agent in their right mind would place such a child with me.

                The larger point of course, is the one I made. If the US truly wants to alleviate the flow of migrants into this country, one way to do it is to stop doing shit that drives them outta their own country, and start doing things to alleviate the grinding poverty that sends ’em up here.

                Your cite is relevant to nothing. Nice display of unbridled bigotry, though.

        • M.C.A. July 3rd, 2014 at 22:18

          Keep them out, seriously, it’s a burden we don’t need right now.

          • Saint_Augustine July 5th, 2014 at 04:51

            You are no longer part of “we” since you gave up U.S. soil for the Philippines.

            • M.C.A. July 5th, 2014 at 07:56

              if the economy fails, government is bankrupt there goes my pension then what, I can’t fish, I have few skills if any and the pay here is so low that creating business is a waste of time, nobody has money and they pay almost nothing for services, this includes skilled work. Going wage for a full days job is $1.50

      • M.C.A. July 3rd, 2014 at 22:17

        They should be, church groups bring them in, many of the states have been flooded with Bosnians, Somali, it gets old already, if you don’t agree live in an apartment complex with Somali’s or try dealing with Bosnians, don’t make broad brush statements about something you won’t deal with.

    • ChrisVosburg July 3rd, 2014 at 16:04

      Good grief. The illegal immigrants had been arrested, and were on their way to a Border Patrol processing station.

      There, they are processed prior to deportation (or maybe not, depending, but still it’s a necessary step), and it is a complicated process. Identity and Country of Origin must be determined (usually they’re not carrying any ID), and if they are to be deported, the appropriate consulate will be persuaded to issue a passport. Serious, you need a Honduran passport to be deported to Honduras.

      Lotta work, and if these brave migrant hating patriots want that to happen, they be better served by getting the hell out the way of the damn bus, and letting the nice Border Patrol do their damn jobs.

      Idiots, the lot of ’em.

    • AnthonyLook July 3rd, 2014 at 22:09

      The immigrants were under the prevue of legal custody and the legal status of “due process”, which the blocking protestors illegally prevented. The lengths you go to defend racism is astounding.

    • Carla Akins July 4th, 2014 at 13:42

      Long and short of it – no one should be arrested for pretesting unless they break the law. Textbook st amendment. However, if people (those witnessing the protest) wish to judge the protesters on their behavior – then they should have considered that before they started. Everyone is welcome to their opinion, there is no requirement for anyone to agree or not vilify you for it.

  3. KABoink_after_wingnut_hacker July 3rd, 2014 at 12:57

    I’ll bet none of the descendants of immigrants who are demonstrating (and let’s face, it’s all of them) will acknowledge that this country was built by immigrants.

    • Robert M. Snyder July 3rd, 2014 at 18:54

      Has anyone ever polled people of Native American heritage to find out what they actually think about present-day immigration? Considering how immigration worked out for their ancestors, it seems unlikely that they would be strongly in favor of unrestricted immigration today. Would they welcome unlimited numbers of newly-arriving immigrants onto Indian reservations?

      • Flspeedy July 3rd, 2014 at 20:04

        They’d probably prefer today’s immigrants to the original bunch. At least the present day’s immigrants aren’t going to steal their ancestral lands , and give them smallpox infested blankets to “keep warm”.

        • Robert M. Snyder July 3rd, 2014 at 20:44

          Most of the inhabitants of Central America and Mexico are the descendants of Spaniards who conquered the indigenous Aztec and Mayan civilizations. Smallpox, measles, and influenza are estimated to have wiped out over 50% of the native population of the Yucatan peninsula and the Guatemalan highlands.

    • john tarter July 3rd, 2014 at 21:12

      Give me a break! We won this country through force of arms fair and square and developed this nation into the kind of place where even our poorest citizens have hot and cold running water, cell phones and big screen TV`s.

      • Stan Ubeki July 4th, 2014 at 09:45

        Not in Detroit

      • Carla Akins July 4th, 2014 at 13:38

        Fair & square? So might makes right, and as long as you can beat up the other guy – to the victor goes the spoils. Nice philosophy you have there.

    • mcalleyboy July 3rd, 2014 at 22:15

      These weren’t the first Americans here, sorry its been covered up. Chinese and those from UK were here first, skulls have been found along with civilizations all covered up by the proclaimed first settlers the Indians, it’s a lie.

      • AnthonyLook July 3rd, 2014 at 23:13

        Those Chinese and those from the UK, died off and thereby losing any claim; American Indians didn’t, that is the difference making you the liar.

        • mcalleyboy July 4th, 2014 at 01:32

          The word is mulatto, so Indians lay no claim to something thats already been conquered and covered up. Norwegians were here before Columbus.

          • AnthonyLook July 4th, 2014 at 01:52

            Norwegians died out too. What’s with you and dead travelers. Conquered by whom, by people that died out. You’re a piece of racist work. Get a clue.

            • mcalleyboy July 4th, 2014 at 22:57

              It’s easy to call someone a racist but harder to prove that point so why don’t we stop with the name calling. Vikings also had black members, Norwegians had the first Democratic form of governing.

              • AnthonyLook July 4th, 2014 at 23:44

                Those bits of info don’t make you less a racist, and none of those races established viable continuing communities through North America as the American Indians did. You are spewing racists lies.

          • Carla Akins July 4th, 2014 at 13:36

            You should look up the definition of words before using them.

          • Saint_Augustine July 5th, 2014 at 04:58

            Since Columbus never made it to North America, a lot of people came here before him.

  4. KABoink_after_wingnut_hacker July 3rd, 2014 at 12:57

    I’ll bet none of the descendants of immigrants who are demonstrating (and let’s face, it’s all of them) will acknowledge that this country was built by immigrants.

    • Robert M. Snyder July 3rd, 2014 at 18:54

      Has anyone ever polled people of Native American heritage to find out what they actually think about present-day immigration? Considering how immigration worked out for their ancestors, it seems unlikely that they would be strongly in favor of unrestricted immigration today. Would they welcome unlimited numbers of newly-arriving immigrants onto Indian reservations?

      • Flspeedy July 3rd, 2014 at 20:04

        They’d probably prefer today’s immigrants to the original bunch. At least the present day’s immigrants aren’t going to steal their ancestral lands , and give them smallpox infested blankets to “keep warm”.

        • Robert M. Snyder July 3rd, 2014 at 20:44

          Most of the inhabitants of Central America and Mexico are the descendants of Spaniards who conquered the indigenous Aztec and Mayan civilizations. Smallpox, measles, and influenza are estimated to have wiped out over 50% of the native population of the Yucatan peninsula and the Guatemalan highlands.

    • john tarter July 3rd, 2014 at 21:12

      Give me a break! We won this country through force of arms fair and square and developed this nation into the kind of place where even our poorest citizens have hot and cold running water, cell phones and big screen TV`s.

      • Stan Ubeki July 4th, 2014 at 09:45

        Not in Detroit

      • Carla Akins July 4th, 2014 at 13:38

        Fair & square? So might makes right, and as long as you can beat up the other guy – to the victor goes the spoils. Nice philosophy you have there.

    • M.C.A. July 3rd, 2014 at 22:15

      These weren’t the first Americans here, sorry its been covered up. Chinese and those from UK were here first, skulls have been found along with civilizations all covered up by the proclaimed first settlers the Indians, it’s a lie.

      • AnthonyLook July 3rd, 2014 at 23:13

        Those Chinese and those from the UK, died off and thereby losing any claim; American Indians didn’t, that is the difference making you the liar.

        • M.C.A. July 4th, 2014 at 01:32

          The word is mulatto, so Indians lay no claim to something thats already been conquered and covered up. Norwegians were here before Columbus.

          • AnthonyLook July 4th, 2014 at 01:52

            Norwegians died out too. What’s with you and dead travelers. Conquered by whom, by people that died out. You’re a piece of racist work. Get a clue.

            • M.C.A. July 4th, 2014 at 22:57

              It’s easy to call someone a racist but harder to prove that point so why don’t we stop with the name calling. Vikings also had black members, Norwegians had the first Democratic form of governing.

              • AnthonyLook July 4th, 2014 at 23:44

                Those bits of info don’t make you less a racist, and none of those races established viable continuing communities through North America as the American Indians did. You are spewing racists lies.

          • Carla Akins July 4th, 2014 at 13:36

            You should look up the definition of words before using them.

          • Saint_Augustine July 5th, 2014 at 04:58

            Since Columbus never made it to North America, a lot of people came here before him.

  5. Michael July 3rd, 2014 at 13:46

    The quote should be Anti “ILLEGAL Immigrants”

  6. Michael July 3rd, 2014 at 13:46

    The quote should be Anti “ILLEGAL Immigrants”

  7. pmbalele July 3rd, 2014 at 14:02

    So long as there is FoxNews and Limbaugh racism will never end. This people continue brain-washing people to believe people of other races are inferior to them. These people like Bill O’rielly, Sean Hannity, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Eric Bolling and Charles Krauthammer are the engineers of racism in this country. They have been hurting since 2009 when President Obama because the Leader Of The Free World. So their job has been to pump hatred in gullible Americans to hate people of other races. I know God will never allow them into heaven.

    • John Tarter July 3rd, 2014 at 21:17

      Let’s see, unrestricted healthcare for all these new illegals while we give our veterans the healthcare shaft. Nice,very nice!

      • Um Cara July 3rd, 2014 at 21:23

        *unrestricted healthcare for all these new illegals*
        —————
        Unrestricted health care? What in the world are you talking about? What is your definition of ‘unrestricted’?

        • mcalleyboy July 3rd, 2014 at 22:14

          Emergency room, they can’t turn you down, this won’t happen for you in Central America unless you have cash.

          • Um Cara July 3rd, 2014 at 22:57

            Emergency room care is a pretty long way from ‘unrestricted health care’.

            • mcalleyboy July 4th, 2014 at 22:55

              Are you gonna pay for it though, who pays for it? Don’t forget about decades of “Blanket Amnesties” Oh boy lets not go there, we forgot about that….didn’t we?

              • Um Cara July 4th, 2014 at 23:25

                Yes, I am in favor of making sure everyone in the US receives necessary health care. Yes I expect it to be financed through taxes. Yes I am fortunate enough to make a very good living & make enough to have the privilege to pay quite a bit in taxes.

                • mcalleyboy July 5th, 2014 at 01:19

                  I want to thank you for going to work along with legal immigrants and refugee’s if helps fund my military pension and living in my paid off two story concrete house with multi-level floors and kitchens/patio’s, water front property.

                  • Saint_Augustine July 5th, 2014 at 05:03

                    Did the purchase price include the monkey and goats?

                    • mcalleyboy July 5th, 2014 at 07:59

                      I got rid of my monkey yesterday he bit my neighbor and blood was streaming from his arm, so that cost big time to get the neighbor shots. I used to raise goats but my brother in-law was envious and he through vinegar and other liquids that killed my goats….such is the life here, my backyard is the water and mountains, if I could post a picture I would.

                  • Um Cara July 5th, 2014 at 06:47

                    * if helps fund my military pension and living in my paid off two story
                    concrete house with multi-level floors and kitchens/patio’s, water front
                    property overseas.*
                    ——————
                    You’re welcome! Happy to do it. I recognize that I live in a society and have obligations to my fellow man.

                    • mcalleyboy July 5th, 2014 at 08:07

                      Only wish there were more people like you, my life experience has been the opposite.

        • John Tarter July 4th, 2014 at 07:05

          These new arrivals are bringing in diseases that will require long term medical care and all this costs money. But of course you liberals will not be taking up a collection of your own private money to pay for it all. Once on the dole that is where they will stay and when you libs start agitating for family reunification, the welfare rolls Will grow even more.

          • Um Cara July 4th, 2014 at 08:14

            *But of course you liberals will not be taking up a collection of your own private money to pay for it all.*
            —————
            We libs consider thousands of needy children to be something our *incredibly wealthy* society can afford. Charities can/should/will/are part of the equation though, sure.

            Why does everything have to be black and white with you, Wayout?

            • Stan Ubeki July 5th, 2014 at 11:55

              No we won’t pass the hat, we’ll pay taxes.

          • Stan Ubeki July 4th, 2014 at 09:43

            Diseases = bs talking point

          • Carla Akins July 4th, 2014 at 13:34

            Then Jenny McCarthy should shut her mouth and rational parents should vaccinate their children. Problem solved.

        • Carla Akins July 4th, 2014 at 13:28

          Clearly unrestricted healthcare applies only to the male undocumented. Becuase unrestricted healthcare does not exist in the country for women. Regardless of citizenship.

      • pmbalele July 3rd, 2014 at 23:12

        Please don’t be naive. You remember during government shut-down all non-essential federal government workers were told not to show up for work. These included VA employees such as front desk schedulers, part-time nurses and part- time doctors, janitors, and some in Emergency room. Cruz, Boehner, Ryan, Cantor, McConnell and others wanted to defeat Obamacare. That’s why during the government shut-down VA hospitals was really filthy and lost scheduling time after the Repubs opened the government again. Somebody has to sue these Repubs for causing this harm to our Veterans.

  8. pmbalele July 3rd, 2014 at 14:02

    So long as there is FoxNews and Limbaugh racism will never end. This people continue brain-washing people to believe people of other races are inferior to them. These people like Bill O’rielly, Sean Hannity, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Eric Bolling and Charles Krauthammer are the engineers of racism in this country. They have been hurting since 2009 when President Obama because the Leader Of The Free World. So their job has been to pump hatred in gullible Americans to hate people of other races. I know God will never allow them into heaven.

    • John Tarter July 3rd, 2014 at 21:17

      Let’s see, unrestricted healthcare for all these new illegals while we give our veterans the healthcare shaft. Nice,very nice!

      • Um Cara July 3rd, 2014 at 21:23

        *unrestricted healthcare for all these new illegals*
        —————
        Unrestricted health care? What in the world are you talking about? What is your definition of ‘unrestricted’?

        • M.C.A. July 3rd, 2014 at 22:14

          Emergency room, they can’t turn you down, this won’t happen for you in Central America unless you have cash.

          • Um Cara July 3rd, 2014 at 22:57

            Emergency room care is a pretty long way from ‘unrestricted health care’.

            • M.C.A. July 4th, 2014 at 22:55

              Are you gonna pay for it though, who pays for it? Don’t forget about decades of “Blanket Amnesties” Oh boy lets not go there, we forgot about that….didn’t we?

              • Um Cara July 4th, 2014 at 23:25

                Yes, I am in favor of making sure everyone in the US receives necessary health care. Yes I expect it to be financed through taxes. Yes I am fortunate enough to make a very good living & make enough to have the privilege to pay quite a bit in taxes.

                • M.C.A. July 5th, 2014 at 01:19

                  I want to thank you for going to work along with legal immigrants and refugee’s if helps fund my military pension and living in my paid off two story concrete house with multi-level floors and kitchens/patio’s, water front property overseas.

                  • Saint_Augustine July 5th, 2014 at 05:03

                    Did the purchase price include the monkey and goats?

                    • M.C.A. July 5th, 2014 at 07:59

                      I got rid of my monkey yesterday he bit my neighbor and blood was streaming from his arm, neighbor was drunk and started to mess with my monkey “Hero”, so that cost me big time to get the neighbor shots. I used to raise goats but my brother in-law was envious and he through vinegar and other liquids that killed my goats….such is the life here, my backyard is the water and mountains, if I could post a picture I would.

                  • Um Cara July 5th, 2014 at 06:47

                    * if helps fund my military pension and living in my paid off two story
                    concrete house with multi-level floors and kitchens/patio’s, water front
                    property overseas.*
                    ——————
                    You’re welcome! Happy to do it. I recognize that I live in a society and have obligations to my fellow man.

                    • M.C.A. July 5th, 2014 at 08:07

                      Only wish there were more people like you, my life experience has been the opposite.

        • John Tarter July 4th, 2014 at 07:05

          These new arrivals are bringing in diseases that will require long term medical care and all this costs money. But of course you liberals will not be taking up a collection of your own private money to pay for it all. Once on the dole that is where they will stay and when you libs start agitating for family reunification, the welfare rolls Will grow even more.

          • Um Cara July 4th, 2014 at 08:14

            *But of course you liberals will not be taking up a collection of your own private money to pay for it all.*
            —————
            We libs consider thousands of needy children to be something our *incredibly wealthy* society can afford. Charities can/should/will/are part of the equation though, sure.

            Why does everything have to be black and white with you, Wayout?

            • Stan Ubeki July 5th, 2014 at 11:55

              No we won’t pass the hat, we’ll pay taxes.

          • Stan Ubeki July 4th, 2014 at 09:43

            Diseases = bs talking point

          • Carla Akins July 4th, 2014 at 13:34

            Then Jenny McCarthy should shut her mouth and rational parents should vaccinate their children. Problem solved.

        • Carla Akins July 4th, 2014 at 13:28

          Clearly unrestricted healthcare applies only to the male undocumented. Becuase unrestricted healthcare does not exist in the country for women. Regardless of citizenship.

      • pmbalele July 3rd, 2014 at 23:12

        Please don’t be naive. You remember during government shut-down all non-essential federal government workers were told not to show up for work. These included VA employees such as front desk schedulers, part-time nurses and part- time doctors, janitors, and some in Emergency room. Cruz, Boehner, Ryan, Cantor, McConnell and others wanted to defeat Obamacare. That’s why during the government shut-down VA hospitals was really filthy and lost scheduling time after the Repubs opened the government again. Somebody has to sue these Repubs for causing this harm to our Veterans.

  9. bobby1122 July 3rd, 2014 at 16:18

    Planned Obama operation — Jan. 2014 http://theconservativewife.blogspot.com/2014/06/government-hiring-escorts-for-65000.html— Part of traitorous CLOWARD – PIVENS attack plan..http://clashdaily.com/2014/01/destroy-america-barry-sotero-explains-cloward-piven-strategy/

    • ChrisVosburg July 3rd, 2014 at 17:41

      Yeah, again with the “Obama Plans to Destroy America and Employ Marital Law” porn.

      Aren’t you forgetting the obligatory “Wake UP SHEEPLE!?”

    • Flspeedy July 3rd, 2014 at 19:59

      Quick , get under your bed ! We’ll let you know when it’s safe to come out in 50 years or so. Bring plenty of Cheetos!

  10. bobby1122 July 3rd, 2014 at 16:18

    Planned Obama operation — Jan. 2014 http://theconservativewife.blogspot.com/2014/06/government-hiring-escorts-for-65000.html— Part of traitorous CLOWARD – PIVENS attack plan..http://clashdaily.com/2014/01/destroy-america-barry-sotero-explains-cloward-piven-strategy/

    • ChrisVosburg July 3rd, 2014 at 17:41

      Yeah, again with the “Obama Plans to Destroy America and Employ Marital Law” porn.

      Aren’t you forgetting the obligatory “Wake UP SHEEPLE!?”

    • Flspeedy July 3rd, 2014 at 19:59

      Quick , get under your bed ! We’ll let you know when it’s safe to come out in 50 years or so. Bring plenty of Cheetos!

  11. Suzanne McFly July 3rd, 2014 at 17:27

    Most of these protestors were not even from the area, they are part of a group who are anti-immigrant and this protest was planned so they could be seen on nightly news and stir up the hate they are creating. These nuts will never be part of a healthy discussion to deal with this problem that has been an American issue since 1492 and if your ancestors were not here before 1492, then you have an immigrant past and you need to deal with the hate you feel for yourself.

    • mcalleyboy July 3rd, 2014 at 22:13

      So we keep on taking in immigrants no matter what? Do you feel the states can handle the extra burden and costs of schooling, health care and social services. These people don’t stop they keep flooding our borders, just let them in, hell I’ll move to Central America.

      • Suzanne McFly July 4th, 2014 at 11:22

        I like how you take my point to extremes, I guess that way you have an argument, right? Taking more people in is not my wish, however the more people you have, the more jobs you need to support them. Have you noticed that when you have higher populations you also have more service workers, teachers, doctors, businesses,…etc. And when these people are given some sort of citizenship, then they are taxed and that money goes to paying for these jobs and our infrastructure. You act like immigrants haven’t been a part of our past, it has worked for over a 1,000 years, why all the sudden won’t it work this time? Skin color have something to do with it?

        • mcalleyboy July 4th, 2014 at 20:28

          Suzanne your talking about people that like to do things illegal that also includes taxes, i’ve heard them talk (do it under the table-job), many of the illegals have skills so they create their own business and they don’t hire Americans, they also create business in their homeland, most return. Liberals love to throw the race card the gay card but the reality is that we don’t have the money to take care of the school needs, health care and social services, some cities have had enough and this includes Democratic ones, they don’t want anymore angry azz hole immigrants from Russia, Vietnam (we still get them) I should know caught a guy eating my fried chicken that I brought in for my double shift he left me squat, Bosnia and the Middle East. I can tell you’ve never lived around illegals, refugee’s and immigrants, you wouldn’t be so happy go lucky, especially if you had to live in an apartment complex with Somali’s standing outside the front door and in the a hall way area’s all day long, stealing storage goods from you carport garage.

          • Saint_Augustine July 5th, 2014 at 05:07

            You live in the Philippines, you gave up living here for a “better” life in another country and you want to deny that privilege to others seeking what you sought?

            • mcalleyboy July 5th, 2014 at 08:05

              Couldn’t we be just a little bit more picky and not bring in people that are the bottom of crust, all that can be hoped for is that their kids grow up to be somebody.

          • Suzanne McFly July 5th, 2014 at 12:57

            Really, you are using what you heard from 5 people as your right to put your racist assumptions on an entire group of people? you have “issues” and ZERO facts, go away until you know how to have a discussion that is not based on your own insecurities.

  12. Suzanne McFly July 3rd, 2014 at 17:27

    Most of these protestors were not even from the area, they are part of a group who are anti-immigrant and this protest was planned so they could be seen on nightly news and stir up the hate they are creating. These nuts will never be part of a healthy discussion to deal with this problem that has been an American issue since 1492 and if your ancestors were not here before 1492, then you have an immigrant past and you need to deal with the hate you feel for yourself.

    • M.C.A. July 3rd, 2014 at 22:13

      So we keep on taking in immigrants no matter what? Do you feel the states can handle the extra burden and costs of schooling, health care and social services. These people don’t stop they keep flooding our borders, just let them in, hell I’ll move to Central America.

      • Suzanne McFly July 4th, 2014 at 11:22

        I like how you take my point to extremes, I guess that way you have an argument, right? Taking more people in is not my wish, however the more people you have, the more jobs you need to support them. Have you noticed that when you have higher populations you also have more service workers, teachers, doctors, businesses,…etc. And when these people are given some sort of citizenship, then they are taxed and that money goes to paying for these jobs and our infrastructure. You act like immigrants haven’t been a part of our past, it has worked for over a 1,000 years, why all the sudden won’t it work this time? Skin color have something to do with it?

        • M.C.A. July 4th, 2014 at 20:28

          Suzanne your talking about people that like to do things illegal that also includes taxes, i’ve heard them talk (do it under the table-job), many of the illegals have skills so they create their own business and they don’t hire Americans, they also create business in their homeland, most return. Liberals love to throw the race card the gay card but the reality is that we don’t have the money to take care of the school needs, health care and social services, some cities have had enough and this includes Democratic ones, they don’t want anymore angry azz hole immigrants from Russia, Vietnam (we still get them) I should know caught a guy eating my fried chicken that I brought in for my double shift he left me squat, Bosnia and the Middle East. I can tell you’ve never lived around illegals, refugee’s and immigrants, you wouldn’t be so happy go lucky, especially if you had to live in an apartment complex with Somali’s standing outside the front door and in the a hall way area’s all day long, stealing storage goods from you carport garage.

          • Saint_Augustine July 5th, 2014 at 05:07

            You live in the Philippines, you gave up living here for a “better” life in another country and you want to deny that privilege to others seeking what you sought?

            • M.C.A. July 5th, 2014 at 08:05

              Couldn’t we be just a little bit more picky and not bring in people that are the bottom of crust, all that can be hoped for is that their kids grow up to be somebody.

          • Suzanne McFly July 5th, 2014 at 12:57

            Really, you are using what you heard from 5 people as your right to put your racist assumptions on an entire group of people? you have “issues” and ZERO facts, go away until you know how to have a discussion that is not based on your own insecurities.

  13. john tarter July 3rd, 2014 at 21:06

    And what about the Hispanic Americans who were there protesting, are they racists too? Not everyone is like Rep. Gutierrez and truth be told, most of the Border Agents are of Hispanic descent.

  14. john tarter July 3rd, 2014 at 21:06

    And what about the Hispanic Americans who were there protesting, are they racists too? Not everyone is like Rep. Gutierrez and truth be told, most of the Border Agents are of Hispanic descent.

  15. Ron Jackson July 3rd, 2014 at 21:48

    From the day these right wingers started shouting down people at townhalls meetings,the media did not but praise these racist as being nothing but good Americans,and now that the mob has had its taste of blood and knowing that the right wing elected officials are to scared to call them they will continue to do what has worked for them so well. Because to many in the media are to scared to say that all right wingers are racist,no one on the right will step up to these racist,and the this is how the tyranny of the minority is allowed to rule the many.

    • mcalleyboy July 3rd, 2014 at 22:09

      Standing up for rights? The gay and minority groups yell, scream march,anti-gun folks, were learning from you.

  16. Ron Jackson July 3rd, 2014 at 21:48

    From the day these right wingers started shouting down people at townhalls meetings,the media did nothing but praise these racist as being nothing but good Americans,and now that the mob has had its taste of blood and knowing that the right wing elected officials are to scared to call them they will continue to do what has worked for them so well. Because too many in the media are to scared to say that all right wingers are racist,no one on the right will step up to these racist,and the this is how the tyranny of the minority is allowed to rule the many.

    • M.C.A. July 3rd, 2014 at 22:09

      Standing up for rights? The gay and minority groups yell, scream march,anti-gun folks, were learning from you.

  17. AnthonyLook July 3rd, 2014 at 22:04

    Jennie Rivera’s brother getting spat on by some racist will reverberate for decades, this has just lost Republicans more Latin votes than any of their insulting actions they have taken to date.

  18. AnthonyLook July 3rd, 2014 at 22:04

    Jennie Rivera’s brother getting spat on by some racist will reverberate for decades, this has just lost Republicans more Latin votes than any of their insulting actions they have taken to date.

  19. mcalleyboy July 3rd, 2014 at 22:07

    Are you completely nutz? How can you get away with writing this article like it’s a matter of fact? It’s about time Americans stand up to scammers, this won’t end, these kids all have clever parents that want in to the cushy world of social services and skilled labor jobs.

    • lindsncal July 4th, 2014 at 02:41

      These kids all have parents who are trying to save their kids. This is about as disgusting as America gets….and that now includes you.

      Read why they’re sending their kids here.

      Hah..cushy world of social services. Try living off them sometime.

      You embarrass the country.

      I suppose you’re a Christian too.

      Every day I see more and more Americans like you that embarrass this country. You would never have seen crowds like this yelling at poor children before the Bush Republicans.
      We were always known for taking care of people and being compassionate. The USA, USA that they holler is not the USA I fought for.

      I even think I saw Jesus in the crowd. Oh,,,wait, he was on the bus looking at this crowd and most comments here in disgust.

      These are today’s Christians in America. Yelling at some of the poorest people in the world and telling them to get out.
      I’m not in the least religious but tell me, Christians, who in this picture are the ones going to hell? The people yelling at the poor and telling them to get out or the poor people on the bus?
      If you have to think about it at all, you know nothing about Christianity or even compassion or what this country has always stood for.
      Even I remember “What you do to the least of us, you do to me.”

      This is how republicans work:

      Every day I see more and more Americans that embarrass this country. You would never have seen crowds like this yelling at poor children before the Bush Republicans.
      We were always known for taking care of people and being compassionate. The USA, USA that they holler is not the USA I fought for.

      I even think I saw Jesus in the crowd. Oh,,,wait, he was on the bus looking at this crowd and most comments here in disgust.

      These are today’s Christians in America. Yelling at some of the poorest people in the world and telling them to get out.

      I’m not in the least religious but tell me, Christians, who in this picture are the ones going to hell? The people yelling at the poor and telling them to get out or the poor people on the bus?

      If you have to think about it at all, you know nothing about Christianity or even compassion or what this country has always stood for.

      Even I remember “What you do to the least of us, you do to me.”
      This is how republicans work. Any you fall for it every time because you don’t know how to read or think.
      Republicans: ‘Obama needs to close the borders”
      Obaa : ‘Ok, but I need the money to do it.”
      Republicans: ‘No, we’re not going to give it to you and we refuse to discuss it.”
      Obama: “Then there isn’t much I can do.”
      Republicans: “See, Obama isn’t doing anything.”

      • mcalleyboy July 4th, 2014 at 03:58

        Nice rant…So lindncal, how much money are you willing to put up? You have the talk, how much of your savings would you like to donate for the cause of saving the world and daily basis? Just curious, how much can you donate to this cause.

        • fahvel July 4th, 2014 at 06:47

          One goddamned jet plane price could feed and clothe them all. Ther us military sucks the nation dry in response to make believe but well established fear. You fella are an ass without a touch of compassion.

          • mcalleyboy July 4th, 2014 at 07:01

            This happens every single day, man your out of touch with whats going on in your world, it’s not just a couple people every now and then it’s every single day, thousands cross. I’m gonna have to ask you to pony some money for this endeavor, how much you willing to give up of your wallet, reach deep into your pockets and lets see the love. Carriers run on nuclear power, no need to waste fuel, just food and clothes. I live in a foreign country, ain’t nobody here gonna give the American any compassion you need to know this.

            • Stan Ubeki July 4th, 2014 at 09:50

              So if you live in a foreign country, don’t pay taxes or vote in the US, then STFU.

              • mcalleyboy July 4th, 2014 at 20:29

                I live on a pension it’s enough for taxes, can’t help it the wife wanted to live abroad with her family, I worked for 7 more years after retirement and got lonely, no fun living and working in the US by yourself and the family is abroad in a house I built years ago, makes no sense.

          • John Tarter July 4th, 2014 at 07:20

            Hey, why am I being forced to pay for someone else’s kids? I paid to raise my own and now that they are on their own I’d really like to keep MY MONEY IN MY OWN POCKET. Who died and made you the recorder of things?

            • lindsncal July 4th, 2014 at 16:21

              Hah…yet you don’t seem to mind giving the richest people and the richest corporations huge amounts of your money. While you complain about the poor, those guys are buying more and more multi-million dollar yachts and mansions with your money.
              You’ve simply bought the fascist Koch agenda of blaming the poor for your problems. It’s an age old ploy that has destroyed nations.
              This could be explained to you a hundred different ways but you seem pretty content with understanding little.

              • mcalleyboy July 4th, 2014 at 22:37

                I watched an interview with a Billionaire and reporter the reporter mentioned that they have Billions of dollars while the poor have no food ect… the Billionaires reply….isn’t it great!…. the reporter was shocked and then the Billionaire went to explain that if you give the poor money they just spend it, throw it away, buy cars, fancy clothes eat out, they don’t know what to do with the money but a Billionaire does he’s a Billionaire the create business and jobs, he’s right. The West throws away millions sometimes billions away on 3rd world countries but get this, they have money the politicians hoard it along with several other government agencies that fall under the government and in a disaster they look for the Americans to bring in all their wealth and money, politicians love and so the do the people, it needs to be a real disaster…no help….with that the people will start to get angry and demand more from their elected corrupt leaders.

            • mcalleyboy July 4th, 2014 at 22:32

              John I don’t hear this enough, it’s lacking on this board, these people have no clue how badly were getting played by these countries. I live in the Philippines and all that aid money went to corruption, it barely trickled down to the poor people, these are the ones that were targeted for help. Those in charge of government (typhoon hit area’s) also picked up the food the helicopters dropped, one American expat mentioned that this was wrong and he was threatened with his life. To be fair the Philippines is crack down on these corrupt individuals and guess where they are fleeing? The US….LOL.

        • lindsncal July 4th, 2014 at 15:54

          I’ll donate whatever the percentage of my taxes that go to..
          The interest on Reagan and bush’s debt
          The money being spent in Iraq and Afghanistan.
          The money being spent on abstinence only programs in schools.
          The tax money going to churches and religious organizations and think tanks that are politically active. The Kochs get a lot of that with all their tax free ghost orgs.
          The huge amount of my tax money that goes to corporate subsidies and tax breaks, loopholes, etc.
          The tax money going to Issa and republicans for their ridiculous ‘scandal investigations’
          You want more???

          • mcalleyboy July 4th, 2014 at 20:16

            Or donate your valuable time washing dishes…LOL, you are a Liberal. I’m not for wars at all, you make excuses for why you are a tight wade with money, shame on you for trying to get the American public to pay social welfare for illegals.

            • lindsncal July 4th, 2014 at 22:31

              It’s as if you didn’t read anything I sent.

              Undocumented immigrants do not get social welfare.

              From 2012 Tax Receipts:
              If you make $50,000 a year, you pay: $247.75 a year for defense, $3.98 for natural disaster (rising fast), $22.88 for
              unemployment insurance, $36.82 for food stamp program, $6.96 for welfare, $43.78 for retirement and disability for
              gov’t workers civilian and military, $235.81 for Medicare and
              $4000 A YEAR FOR CORPORATE SUBSIDIES.
              Welfare to our most profitable corporations.

              Don’t bother me any more. I’m blocking you.
              You’re simply an idiot.

              • mcalleyboy July 4th, 2014 at 22:47

                How do they survive then? undocumented workers, you can’t survive in the US with out help the US is a very expensive place to live. State social services take up this slack not the Federal government. I’m not blocking you, it’s a conversation and an understanding why so many undocumented come here “Blanket Amnesties” come on, this has happened over and over again “decades” now they qualify, isn’t it great, millions and millions of illegals with a sweep of the pen become legalized for social benefits, reason some Americans would like to keep them out.

      • John Tarter July 4th, 2014 at 07:13

        Finally someone mentioned the parents, and yes, just where are the parents? It is shameful that they are unloading THEIR kids on us and requiring us to pick up the tab. Why aren’t they being rancially responsible for the children THEY brought into the world?

        • lindsncal July 4th, 2014 at 15:20

          You don’t seem to have a clue about what’s going on the countries these kids come from.
          The parents are literally trying to save their kid’s lives.

    • Stan Ubeki July 4th, 2014 at 09:41

      ignore this troll

    • Carla Akins July 4th, 2014 at 13:57

      What scam? Are these children not fleeing a desperate situation where their is no food, 90% of the population live below the extreme poverty level, average a 3rd grade eduction and dodging bullets are part of their daily routine. Have you been to Central America? Outside of the tourist areas? Most homes (huts) have no windows or doors, the do not have indoor plumbing or electricity. Very, very small children work in gardens outside the home for food, and adolescents walk miles daily to the single public bus to get them to a factory that pays pennies for unsafe adult type work 12 hours a day. THis is not a region or small remote community, this is the entire country. And again, undocumented people do not qualify for social services and benefits.

      • mcalleyboy July 4th, 2014 at 20:19

        Thats’ nothing new, so as a whole Central America has no place for these kids but America? Carla you should see how many Somalian immigrants, refugee’s we have in the state of ND, I no longer live there but. Another poster thinks that illegals don’t qualify for funding…I beg to differ, they get by from churches, state agencies do help so does the Federal government, look at the bus loads of illegals, they are all getting food and clothes, place to stay and we pay for it.

        • Carla Akins July 4th, 2014 at 22:10

          Whether churches and other private charities choose to assist undocumented immigrants, that’s their business. It’s not your tax dollars or your concern. State & fed agencies do not. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/jul/01/fact-checking-immigration/
          I agree there needs to be a plan in place for refuges from these countries – mostly because no human should be treated in such a manner. If you don’t recognize your home state due to the number of refuges, it should be an opportunity to learn more about the world. These are not terrorists, but scared, poor, desperate people simply trying to survive.

          • mcalleyboy July 4th, 2014 at 22:21

            It’s not true the burden state and Federal funds, social services. I know they are not terrorist, some are nice many don’t mix well though, young men were arrested for beating up women on the side walk and rape, they didn’t understand that this was wrong, others get arrested for robbery and murder also several were caught traveling to and from Somalia or other terrorist infested countries, they were still supporting terrorism and fighting against the West, no kidding, this has been in the news, Somalia’s arrested in MN and Portland OR.

            • Carla Akins July 4th, 2014 at 22:52

              You’re telling me adults from other countries do not understand the difference between right and wrong – I’m sorry but I don’t believe that for a minute. Do you have sources to back up that claim?

              The culture may be different, but each one I’ve known has gone to extraordinary lengths to learn our culture and abide by the law and social norms There are so few unauthorized immigrants in the Dakotas they don’t even make the list. http://www.statemaster.com/graph/peo_est_num_of_ill_imm-people-estimated-number-illegal-immigrants

              I can find no program that offers these folks vehicles. Those from African countries are here as refugees from an intolerable living condition, they gear for their lives. We, as a country welcome these refugees because the horror the have lived with is beyond our comprehension.

              The state does not set them up in apartments. jobs, clothes and vehicles – the church and other charitable organizations may as they recognise the horror of their previous existence.

              The federal government offers tax breaks for this offering jobs to the underserved an unemployed but it’s not limited to unauthorized workers only.

  20. M.C.A. July 3rd, 2014 at 22:07

    Are you completely nutz? How can you get away with writing this article like it’s a matter of fact? It’s about time Americans stand up to scammers, this won’t end, these kids all have clever parents that want in to the cushy world of social services and skilled labor jobs.

    • lindsncal July 4th, 2014 at 02:41

      These kids all have parents who are trying to save their kids. This is about as disgusting as America gets….and that now includes you.

      Read why they’re sending their kids here.

      Hah..cushy world of social services. Try living off them sometime.

      You embarrass the country.
      I suppose you’re a Christian too.

      Every day I see more and more Americans like these that embarrass this country. You would never have seen crowds like this yelling at poor children before the Bush Republicans who seem to feed off hate.
      We were always known for taking care of people and being compassionate. The USA, USA that they holler is not the USA I fought for.

      I even think I saw Jesus in the crowd. Oh, wait, he was on the bus looking at this crowd in disgust and he was taking names.

      These are today’s Christians in America. Yelling at some of the poorest people in the world and telling them to get out.
      I’m not in the least religious but tell me, Christians, who in this picture are the ones going to hell? The people yelling at the poor and telling them to get out or the poor people on the bus?
      If you have to think about it at all, you know nothing about Christianity or even compassion or what this country has always stood for.
      Even I remember “What you do to the least of us, you do to me.”

      This is how republicans work. And you fall for it every time because you don’t know how to read or think.

      Republicans: ‘Obama needs to close the borders”
      Obama : ‘Ok, but I need the money to do it.”
      Republicans: ‘No, we’re not going to give it to you and we refuse to discuss it.”
      Obama: “Then there isn’t much I can do.”
      Republicans: “See, Obama isn’t doing anything.”

      Time for you to figure out who the real scammers are who take advantage of little bitty minds like yours because you make it so easy for them.

      • M.C.A. July 4th, 2014 at 03:58

        Nice rant…So lindncal, how much money are you willing to put up? You have the talk, how much of your savings would you like to donate for the cause of saving the world and daily basis? Just curious, how much can you donate to this cause.

        • fahvel July 4th, 2014 at 06:47

          One goddamned jet plane price could feed and clothe them all. Ther us military sucks the nation dry in response to make believe but well established fear. You fella are an ass without a touch of compassion.

          • M.C.A. July 4th, 2014 at 07:01

            This happens every single day, man your out of touch with whats going on in your world, it’s not just a couple people every now and then it’s every single day, thousands cross. I’m gonna have to ask you to pony some money for this endeavor, how much you willing to give up of your wallet, reach deep into your pockets and lets see the love. Carriers run on nuclear power, no need to waste fuel, just food and clothes. I live in a foreign country, ain’t nobody here gonna give the American any compassion you need to know this.

            • Stan Ubeki July 4th, 2014 at 09:50

              So if you live in a foreign country, don’t pay taxes or vote in the US, then STFU.

              • M.C.A. July 4th, 2014 at 20:29

                I live on a pension it’s enough for taxes, can’t help it the wife wanted to live abroad with her family, I worked for 7 more years after retirement and got lonely, no fun living and working in the US by yourself and the family is abroad in a house I built years ago, makes no sense.

                • Senor July 5th, 2014 at 05:46

                  So you are a bitter old fuck, which is the same reason why your wife wanted to “live abroad with her family”

          • John Tarter July 4th, 2014 at 07:20

            Hey, why am I being forced to pay for someone else’s kids? I paid to raise my own and now that they are on their own I’d really like to keep MY MONEY IN MY OWN POCKET. Who died and made you the recorder of things?

            • lindsncal July 4th, 2014 at 16:21

              Hah…yet you don’t seem to mind giving the richest people and the richest corporations huge amounts of your money. While you complain about the poor, those guys are buying more and more multi-million dollar yachts and mansions with your money.
              You’ve simply bought the fascist Koch agenda of blaming the poor for your problems. It’s an age old ploy that has destroyed nations.
              This could be explained to you a hundred different ways but you seem pretty content with understanding little.

              • M.C.A. July 4th, 2014 at 22:37

                I watched an interview with a Billionaire and reporter the reporter mentioned that they have Billions of dollars while the poor have no food ect… the Billionaires reply….isn’t it great!…. the reporter was shocked and then the Billionaire went to explain that if you give the poor money they just spend it, throw it away, buy cars, fancy clothes eat out, they don’t know what to do with the money but a Billionaire does he’s a Billionaire the create business and jobs, he’s right. The West throws away millions sometimes billions away on 3rd world countries but get this, they have money the politicians hoard it along with several other government agencies that fall under the government and in a disaster they look for the Americans to bring in all their wealth and money, politicians love and so the do the people, it needs to be a real disaster…no help….with that the people will start to get angry and demand more from their elected corrupt leaders.

            • M.C.A. July 4th, 2014 at 22:32

              John I don’t hear this enough, it’s lacking on this board, these people have no clue how badly were getting played by these countries. I live in the Philippines and all that aid money went to corruption, it barely trickled down to the poor people, these are the ones that were targeted for help. Those in charge of government (typhoon hit area’s) also picked up the food the helicopters dropped, one American expat mentioned that this was wrong and he was threatened with his life. To be fair the Philippines is crack down on these corrupt individuals and guess where they are fleeing? The US….LOL.

        • lindsncal July 4th, 2014 at 15:54

          I’ll donate whatever the percentage of my taxes that go to..

          The interest on Reagan and bush’s debt. The bush tax cuts to the rich are still the biggest portion of our debt.
          The money being spent in Iraq and Afghanistan.
          The money being spent on abstinence only programs in schools.
          The bloated military budget.
          The tax money going to churches and religious organizations and think tanks that are politically active. The Kochs get a lot of that with all their tax free ghost orgs.
          The huge amount of my tax money that goes to corporate subsidies and tax breaks, loopholes, etc.
          The tax money going to Issa and republicans for their ridiculous ‘scandal investigations’
          You want more???

          You don’t seem to realize that it’s not about how much individuals donate. The country is not broke by any means, however…all the money is in the hands of very top and especially the top 1% who get most of new income in the country.

          You, like them, want to put the responsibility, as usual, on the people who now have little money and even less voice left.

          Learn who your enemies are before trying to find fault with those among us who have little… for not doing enough.

          And..it’s not about saving the world. It’s about humanity and compassion, you know, the things this country used to be known for.

          • M.C.A. July 4th, 2014 at 20:16

            Or donate your valuable time washing dishes…LOL, you are a Liberal. I’m not for wars at all, you make excuses for why you are a tight wade with money, shame on you for trying to get the American public to pay social welfare for illegals. Latin America is a small country? There’s no room in Latin America for these kids, come on your getting played big time.

            • lindsncal July 4th, 2014 at 22:31

              It’s as if you didn’t read anything I sent.

              Undocumented immigrants do not get social welfare.

              From 2012 Tax Receipts:
              If you make $50,000 a year, you pay: $247.75 a year for defense, $3.98 for natural disaster (rising fast), $22.88 for
              unemployment insurance, $36.82 for food stamp program, $6.96 for welfare, $43.78 for retirement and disability for
              gov’t workers civilian and military, $235.81 for Medicare and
              $4000 A YEAR FOR CORPORATE SUBSIDIES.
              Welfare to our most profitable corporations.

              Don’t bother me any more. I’m blocking you.
              You’re simply an idiot.

              • M.C.A. July 4th, 2014 at 22:47

                How do they survive then? undocumented workers, you can’t survive in the US with out help the US is a very expensive place to live. State social services take up this slack not the Federal government. I’m not blocking you, it’s a conversation and an understanding why so many undocumented come here “Blanket Amnesties” come on, this has happened over and over again “decades” now they qualify, isn’t it great, millions and millions of illegals with a sweep of the pen become legalized for social benefits, reason some Americans would like to keep them out.

      • John Tarter July 4th, 2014 at 07:13

        Finally someone mentioned the parents, and yes, just where are the parents? It is shameful that they are unloading THEIR kids on us and requiring us to pick up the tab. Why aren’t they being rancially responsible for the children THEY brought into the world?

        • lindsncal July 4th, 2014 at 15:20

          You don’t seem to have a clue about what’s going on the countries these kids come from.
          The parents are literally trying to save their kid’s lives.

    • Stan Ubeki July 4th, 2014 at 09:41

      ignore this troll

      • M.C.A. July 4th, 2014 at 20:29

        Are you Bosnian? or a Rusky, they have bad tempers, I’ve talked with them, real pieces of work and they live off our social services but drive Mercedes.

    • Carla Akins July 4th, 2014 at 13:57

      What scam? Are these children not fleeing a desperate situation where their is no food, 90% of the population live below the extreme poverty level, average a 3rd grade eduction and dodging bullets are part of their daily routine. Have you been to Central America? Outside of the tourist areas? Most homes (huts) have no windows or doors, the do not have indoor plumbing or electricity. Very, very small children work in gardens outside the home for food, and adolescents walk miles daily to the single public bus to get them to a factory that pays pennies for unsafe adult type work 12 hours a day. THis is not a region or small remote community, this is the entire country. And again, undocumented people do not qualify for social services and benefits.

      • M.C.A. July 4th, 2014 at 20:19

        Thats’ nothing new, so as a whole Central America has no place for these kids but America? Carla you should see how many Somalian immigrants, refugee’s we have in the state of ND, I no longer live there but. Another poster thinks that illegals don’t qualify for funding…I beg to differ, they get by from churches, state agencies do help so does the Federal government, look at the bus loads of illegals, they are all getting food and clothes, place to stay and we pay for it.

        • Carla Akins July 4th, 2014 at 22:10

          Whether churches and other private charities choose to assist undocumented immigrants, that’s their business. It’s not your tax dollars or your concern. State & fed agencies do not. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2012/jul/01/fact-checking-immigration/
          I agree there needs to be a plan in place for refuges from these countries – mostly because no human should be treated in such a manner. If you don’t recognize your home state due to the number of refuges, it should be an opportunity to learn more about the world. These are not terrorists, but scared, poor, desperate people simply trying to survive.

          • M.C.A. July 4th, 2014 at 22:21

            It’s not true the burden state and Federal funds, social services. I know they are not terrorist, some are nice many don’t mix well though, young men were arrested for beating up women on the side walk and rape, they didn’t understand that this was wrong, others get arrested for robbery and murder also several were caught traveling to and from Somalia or other terrorist infested countries, they were still supporting terrorism and fighting against the West, no kidding, this has been in the news, Somalia’s arrested in MN and Portland OR. What about lost jobs, these immigrants and refugee’s ….. employers get tax breaks from the Federal Government, were you aware of that? it hurts those that don’t go to college and have no skills, I worked in a call center for 7 years all the refugee’s, immigrants worked in the back, shipping area, these guys got help with vehicles from the state of ND, they wouldn’t buy Ford or Chevy but BMW, Mercedes and other high priced cars (Bosnians/Asians), the Somalies would buy brand new compact fuel efficient cars, not big names though, so more conservative. Churches bring them such as the “Luthern Social Services” and the state sets them up with an apartment, car and clothes…..HELLO DOLLY! then they get set up with a job that a high school kid should have got with health care benefits.

            • Carla Akins July 4th, 2014 at 22:52

              You’re telling me adults from other countries do not understand the difference between right and wrong – I’m sorry but I don’t believe that for a minute. Do you have sources to back up that claim?

              The culture may be different, but each one I’ve known has gone to extraordinary lengths to learn our culture and abide by the law and social norms There are so few unauthorized immigrants in the Dakotas they don’t even make the list. http://www.statemaster.com/graph/peo_est_num_of_ill_imm-people-estimated-number-illegal-immigrants

              I can find no program that offers these folks vehicles. Those from African countries are here as refugees from an intolerable living condition, they gear for their lives. We, as a country welcome these refugees because the horror the have lived with is beyond our comprehension.

              The state does not set them up in apartments. jobs, clothes and vehicles – the church and other charitable organizations may as they recognise the horror of their previous existence.

              The federal government offers tax breaks for this offering jobs to the underserved an unemployed but it’s not limited to unauthorized workers only.

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