John McCain Just Made an Inexcusable Gaffe About U.S. Casualties in Iraq
The collapse of Iraq back into a Bush-era Hell on Earth has brought the usual suspects out of the woodwork to insist that the United States should have kept Americans to fight and die in the hellhole that they lied us into. They include Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), who has been making the cable news rounds, demanding firings and trying to sell the comparison of a “residual force” in Iraq with those left in Bosnia, where there were a total of 18 U.S. casualties for the duration of that conflict.
On MSNBC’s Morning Joe Friday morning, he also compared a hypothetical U.S. residual force in Iraq with those in “Bosnia, Korea, Germany, Japan,” but it was on CNN’s New Day that McCain’s sales pitch really jumped the shark.
“It’s important for us to note that in other wars and other conflicts, we have left residual forces behind, not in a combat role, but a stabilizing role,” McCain told Chris Cuomo. “Whether it be Korea, Japan, Germany. We still have forces in Bosnia from that conflict.”
He also added “We had it won, and we needed to have a residual force.”
The key differences between those post-conflict nations and Iraq are rather obvious, as is the more apt comparison with another conflict with which McCain is intimately familiar. President George W. Bush began using the language of Vietnamization barely two years into the Iraq war, and the deeply-divided Iraq we left behind much more closely resembled Vietnam than any of those that McCain listed.
McCain’s implication is that, like in those other countries he listed, the U.S. could have kept a small force in Iraq without risk of casualties, handing out Hershey bars and training Iraqi commandos, and maybe we didn’t because we’re just yella, or something.
“We had literally no casualties there in Iraq during the last period after the surge was over,” McCain said, “and by leaving a vacuum, then that was obviously filled.”
He literally said “literally.”
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granpa.usthai June 13th, 2014 at 17:57
John Deere –
residual forces left over from previous wars, conflicts, all over the world?
AT US TREASURY EXPENSE!?!
maybe that’s why our Military Spending is so out of control?
US MILITARY WELFARE FOR WORLDWIDE DESPOTISM !!!
somebody needs to call a Senate Hearing on this giveaway US Tax dollars scam!
When did you know about this, Senator John McCain (R) Arizona, and who else among your associates are involved in this?
granpa.usthai June 13th, 2014 at 17:57
John Deere –
residual forces left over from previous wars, conflicts, all over the world?
AT US TREASURY EXPENSE!?!
maybe that’s why our Military Spending is so out of control?
US MILITARY WELFARE FOR WORLDWIDE DESPOTISM !!!
somebody needs to call a Senate Hearing on this giveaway US Tax dollars scam!
When did you know about this, Senator John McCain (R) Arizona, and who else among your associates are involved in this?
Bob Waas June 13th, 2014 at 17:58
So the blame game starts. Wasn’t it Obama who spiked the ball by announcing to the world when we would quit the fight? All that did is let the enemy wait until the coast was clear.
Bob Waas June 13th, 2014 at 17:59
Yea, now I remember, it was him.
jasperjava June 13th, 2014 at 18:58
If you’re so eager for Americans to die, trying to fix what Dubya broke, why don’t you volunteer to be the first one.
We won’t miss you. Nobody will miss you. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Chinese Democracy June 14th, 2014 at 00:37
he got that in his email.. I doubt he even knows what its about lol
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 12:09
Guess what, I photoshopped it myself, just like they did with Obama’s birth certificate. LOL
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 13:00
Yup – just proved it.
First “sheetheads” – “thin the herd” and now
a full born birther.
What an idiot.
fahvel June 14th, 2014 at 04:02
he won’t go – he is pure chicken shit and all mouth (albeit empty of intelligent sound)
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 12:04
Are you sure you’re a practicing Catholic?
jasperjava June 14th, 2014 at 12:18
Sure. I need lots of practice.
But at least I’m not the one who wants to send US troops to die in a war that was started on a pack of lies.
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 12:42
My war plan does not include boots on the ground.
Which pack of lies are you specifically talking about, the ones the Democrats were telling before Bush was president?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSwSDvgw5Uc
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:59
Who asked YOU to set up a “war plan”?
You are simply part of the problem.
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:58
Hey I’m not – and you are still really bad rubbish>
fahvel June 14th, 2014 at 04:01
you are sinking lower and lower – as if you weren’t there already.
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 12:07
I’m not the one to layout our strategic plans so the enemy can plan theirs to their benefit.
Obama telegraphs his weak options to the world; instead of keeping his mouth shut and letting the enemy be concerned with where the attack will come from. If you think that is a good military tactic, then you hooked your pony to the right wagon.
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:58
Sorry, still waiting for your service record?
mea_mark June 13th, 2014 at 18:15
Excuse me, Maliki wanted us gone, so we left. Maliki is a weak ineffectual leader that couldn’t or wouldn’t bring the people together. This is their fault, not ours. Trying to blame this on someone in an opposing political party to you makes you a political hack. You are the one that needs help, you should be spending more time watching Dr. Phil and spending less time here.
Bob Waas June 13th, 2014 at 20:57
Will you be protesting when Obama orders our military to get involved again? If Obama couldn’t negotiate having troop presence with a weak leader like Maliki, what does it say about him.
mea_mark June 13th, 2014 at 21:09
I think we should leave them alone and let them fight it out till everybody is a loser. Then when they realize fighting among themselves is stupid, if ever, we help them from a distance.
Bob Waas June 13th, 2014 at 21:50
I agree, let them fight each other and thin out the herd a little.
However, we are slaves to the oil coming out of the middle east, so that is why we get involved. Let us become oil independent so we don’t need those sheet heads. buying oil from them just finances terrorists.
AttilatheBlond June 13th, 2014 at 22:11
You do realize the US exports oil?
Bob Waas June 13th, 2014 at 23:03
U.S. oil exports have been banned for 40 years.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/01/08/u-s-oil-exports-have-been-banned-for-40-years-is-it-time-for-that-to-change/
Obewon June 13th, 2014 at 23:38
False: “there’s no ban on exporting oil once it’s been refined into gasoline or diesel fuel. In fact, U.S. refineries are now shipping record amounts of gasoline and diesel abroad:”-Another birther Bob Wass smackdown continues to pummel the dissembler: -The Exemptions include Trans-Alaskan Pipeline oil, any oil that’s shipped to Canada for consumption, heavy oil from California, etc.
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 12:02
Try keeping up, we were talking about oil, not byproducts.
Obewon June 14th, 2014 at 12:41
Try telling the truth just once: US Oil exports aren’t barred via your own link ”From California, Alaska, or to Canada, etc . RWNJ’s proudly enjoy debunking themselves via their own links! LOL.
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 12:45
Which part of this report is false?
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303851804579559173078617520
Obewon June 14th, 2014 at 13:00
“U.S. oil exports have been banned for 40 years.”-Bob Waas to AttilatheBlond • 14 hours ago Your link debunked your own claim Wasshole.
Furthermore: Another Obama Success: There is “more oil produced at home than we buy from the rest of the world – the first time that’s happened in nearly 20 years.”-True!-POTUS Obama on Tuesday, January 28th, 2014 in the State of the Union address. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jan/28/barack-obama/state-union-obama-says-us-produces-more-oil-it-buy/
AttilatheBlond June 14th, 2014 at 00:11
Oil exports as refined substances is still oil exports, and the US exports.
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 12:02
No, oil is oil, and products produced by oil are byproducts. If you had said the US exports products made from crude oil I would have agreed with you. In a capitalist society, processing oil and selling the products from them creates jobs.
arc99 June 13th, 2014 at 23:33
what is it with you folks on the right? why the constant need to use bigoted pejoratives to make a point? sheetheads?
has it occurred to you that patronizing FOX news or the Wall St Journal or the Plaza Hotel in New York City also puts money in the pockets of a Saudi billionaire?
is he a “sheethead” too?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129584557
The second-largest holder of voting stock in News Corp. is Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, a nephew of the Saudi king. And through his philanthropies, Waleed has given generously to initiatives pursued by the imam, Feisal Abdul Rauf.
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 11:59
If you walk around with a sheet on your head, you can be referred to a sheet head; just like a bald man wearing a toupee is referred to as a rag head.
Please be sure to continue your policing of posters on this site when they use bigoted pejoratives.
“Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal owns a 7 percent stake in News Corp — the parent company of Fox News — making him the largest shareholder outside the family of News Corp CEO Rupert Murdoch.”
Based on the reporting on Fox News vs. all the others, Fox has been the only one calling Islamic radicals for what they are. They also are number one as the most trusted news source by a recent Brookings poll. MSNBC is dead last.
http://theweek.com/speedreads/index/262933/speedreads-poll-fox-news-most-trusted-news-source-for-accurate-information#axzz34d6fancP
fahvel June 14th, 2014 at 03:59
from contrary and uninformed to a racist on one page – yuck!
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:57
He slipped that in didn’t he?
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:57
“sheet heads”?????
Wow.
THAT certainly explains YOU …
arc99 June 13th, 2014 at 21:15
right wingers will be protesting no matter what the President does.
the Iraqi government wanted us out, they did not want to negotiate anything. are right wingers really so resistant to facts that it renders you incapable of understanding the very basic concept that when a country unequivocally demands we leave, there is no negotiation?
in any event, could you please tell us all how many billions of dollars each year you want to spend to keep us in Iraq and how we will pay for it.
no spin, none of the usual right wing talking points, just give us a specific number. how much taxpayer money do you want to spend? right wingers complain about long term unemployment and welfare benefits, yet have no trouble advocating the indefinite expenditure of billions, if not trillions trying to save face over their catastrophic error in judgement.
so what’s the number Bob. how many billions of my and other citizens’ taxpayer dollars do you want to keep throwing at the mistake you right wingers made?
that’s the trouble with right wing war hysteria, eventually you run out of other people’s money.
Bob Waas June 13th, 2014 at 21:55
I commented a week ago how I would fight wars. It wasn’t well received by the liberals posting here, but my way wouldn’t involve rebuilding their countries or teaching their armies how to kill us.
When will you accept the fact that we would not have gone to war with Iraq if it wasn’t for votes by the Democrats? The president couldn’t do it without the votes. You can’t just simply change the history you don’t agree with.
arc99 June 13th, 2014 at 22:31
when will you accept the fact that I readily admit that the Democrats who supported the war made a dreadful mistake in listening to the right wingers running the Bush administration.
when will you accept the fact that it is profoundly hypocritical for right wingers to spend the past 5 years ranting about how the President must take responsibility for what happens on his watch, but as soon as the discussion turns to Iraq, the REPUBLICAN President and the REPUBLICANS in Congress are never mentioned when it comes to responsibility.
I have no desire to change history. It is revisionist right wingers who want to erase the fact that when it comes to Iraq, LIBERALS made the correct decision.
the fact is that in looking at the total vote in the House and the Senate, the majority of Democrats opposed the war, while Republicans were nearly unanimous in their support.
In summary, from a philosophical perspective, liberals were right and conservatives were wrong. From a party line perspective, Democrats were right and Republicans were wrong. No matter how much you attempt to deflect and change the subject, those are the facts
Bob Waas June 13th, 2014 at 22:47
Are you saying the Democrats who voted to go to war are stupid, just like the Republicans who voted to go to war?
mea_mark June 14th, 2014 at 08:39
They were lied to and deceived by the war-mongering right-wing. Republicans have brought much evil into this world and it is now time to keep them from gaining power again as the world starts the healing process.
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 12:33
They weren’t lied to, and they weren’t deceived. They were too lazy or too stupid to do their own research, or perhaps they had already made up their minds because they were beating the war drums for several years before Bush took office. Here is real evidence to my stated facts. Feel free to refute them.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSwSDvgw5Uc
arc99 June 14th, 2014 at 10:42
A minority of Democrats in Congress made a stupid decision.
Republicans in Congress made a stupid decision and were nearly unanimous in doing so.
Democrats were smart enough to eventually admit their mistake.
Republicans, not so much.
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:56
Yes … war IS stupid – and it is always the GUYS that want it – but they don’t want to do it themselves, they want to send MY kids to war.
You want war, get off your lazy butt and go somewhere to fight. But don’t tell us how to fight your bloody war. Put your ass where your big mouth is.
fahvel June 14th, 2014 at 03:57
ANSWER THE DAMNED QUESTION!
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 12:28
What is YOUR question?
William June 14th, 2014 at 10:05
“I commented a week ago how I would fight wars”.
Which is really all you can do….because.
A. You have never fought in a war and have no idea what you are talking about…but it facilitates point B.
B. Parroting the rest of the chickenhawks, Beck, Limbaugh, Hannidy, Oreilly, and Levine who like you want to share their “expertise” in Military affairs, drop their “opinions” in your feeding bowl, so you can chime in to LL and make a fool of yourself….
again.
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 12:27
Having worked for a defense contractor, I am more qualified than Obama to give an opinion on how to fight a war. His strategy is not working very well and more have died in Afghanistan since he took over.
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:55
Sorry didn’t see your answer? Can we please have your service creds? Or did you just run around and install defective electric lines under the showers so our guys would be executed when they step on the mats?
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 13:07
What kind of sick comment is that? You want to debate Obama’s qualifications as a war commander fine, but don’t engage in false attacks.
As for my service credentials, I didn’t know they were required in order to have an opinion. Besides, they are sealed up and stored with Obama’s college transcripts. When he releases his I’ll release mine; fair enough?
William June 14th, 2014 at 13:16
Besides, they are sealed up and stored with Obama’s college transcripts. When he releases his I’ll release mine; fair enough?
Obamas credentials. Harvard Law review. Present position. Commander in Chief, appointed as such by a MAJORITY of voting Americans in accordance with the Constitution of these United States.
Your credentials. NONE. Present position. Right wing troll regurgitating the spew of other right wing non veterans.
William June 14th, 2014 at 13:05
“Having worked for a defense contractor”.
Which is JUST LIKE being in combat….
but hey…thanx for explaining just why your mindset is so warped.
OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 13:19
That’s because Bush was diverted to Iraq.
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:54
You’re absolutely right. We don’t want or like your idea about “how to fight wars”. We are sick of war – we have had enough of YOUR wars killing our children.
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:53
Obama didn’t sign the Status of Forces agreement, your god Bush did!
OOps…
craig7120 June 13th, 2014 at 18:21
“Wasn’t it Obama who spiked the ball by announcing to the world when we would quit the fight? All that did is let the enemy wait until the coast was clear.”
Yes, he used a Mission Accomplished banner, remember?
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:52
After BUSH signed the Status of Forces agreement, yup – he sure did. Bush started this mess and he ended this mess.
The RWNJ’s need to put the blame on the guy that is responsible for ALL of those deaths and mutilations – on both sides.
Obewon June 13th, 2014 at 18:41
Wass Vs reality: GWB’s 2008 Status of Forces Agreement, was negotiated between the Bush administration and the Iraqi prime minister Nuri al-Maliki. That’s what set the deadline of Dec. 31, 2011, for all U.S. troops to leave Iraq.-Politifact also links to GWB’S Admin “Timetable to Leave Iraq” document here. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/world/20081119_SOFA_FINAL_AGREED_TEXT.pdf There is absolutely nobody more consistently uninformed than irresponsible birther Bob Wass.
fahvel June 14th, 2014 at 03:55
and you keep feeding him information and the thick skinned hater just never learns beyond the talking heads – but you educate others too – don’t stop.
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 21:37
I thought Obama was in control of whether we stayed or not because he later took credit for ending the war, but thanks to you I now know it was really GWB.
arc99 June 13th, 2014 at 19:09
You Obama-haters really need to back off on the hubris pills, and replace it with an extra large dose of reality.
Iraq is a sovereign nation. Their government wanted us out.
Aside from the fact that you folks on the right who are always ranting about government spending, never say a word about the hundreds of billions of dollars it would cost each year to stay in Iraq, how do you propose we ignore the express wishes of a government that is allegedly an ally?
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/us-troops-are-leaving-because-iraq-doesnt-want-them-there/247174/
U.S. Troops Are Leaving Because Iraq Doesn’t Want Them There
YOCHI J. DREAZENOCT 21 2011, 2:41 PM
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“We have serious security problems in this country and serious political problems,” he said in an interview late last month at his heavily guarded compound in Baghdad. “Keeping Americans in Iraq longer isn’t the answer to the problems of Iraq. It may be an answer to the problems of the U.S., but it’s definitely not the solution to the problems of my country.”
Shiite leaders — including many from Maliki’s own Dawaa Party — were even more strongly opposed, with followers of radical Shia cleric Moqtada al-Sadr threatening renewed violence if any American troops stayed past the end of the year. The Sadr threat was deeply alarming to Iraqis just beginning to rebuild their lives and their country after the bloody sectarian strife which ravaged Iraq for the past eight and a half years.
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:51
Thanks – I said that above as well. We simply cannot keep inserting ourselves into other nation’s problems. Bush began this whole mess (under the direction of Darth) – and it is now finished. Let the Middle East do what it has been doing for centuries.
Chinese Democracy June 14th, 2014 at 00:40
black presidents really get under your skin huh
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 12:40
No, black presidents don’t get under my skin; unqualified presidents get under my skin just like when Jimmy Carter was president. I will gladly vote for any black candidate who espouses what has made America great and won’t apologize for its greatness.. How about Ben Carson, or Allen West; will you vote for them, or do you have a problem with black conservatives?
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:50
OMG are you serious? You can’t be … no one would think Ben Carson or Alan West is even qualified. But good luck with that .. okey dokey?
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 16:06
Well, how about we compare resumes for these two men with your beloved Obama. We can even compare college transcripts if you would like. Don’t forget to use Obama’s military experience when comparing him to West.
Obewon June 15th, 2014 at 15:12
‘How about we compare…’ reelected Commander In Chief Obama’s 5 year+ Military record, relaunching GWB’s $6 T closed search for bin Laden that rendered “Geronimo EKIA” vs two unelectable tea clowns including Torturer Allen West who was fined $5,000, busted in rank & booted from the US Military, Fired by voters in his specially crafted district after 1 term, and then Fired by Conservative PJ Media for anti-Semitic misogyny. Meanwhile Ben Carson “suddenly retired” after clients dried up when prospects asked themselves ‘who would trust having their head examined by a nutcase?’
Bob Waas June 15th, 2014 at 17:42
* Obama has a PhD? Show me his college transcripts.
* Obama’s military record? ROTFL
* Allen West a war hero, guilty of being too aggressive; that’s all.
* Any evidence to prove your accusations against Dr. Carson, or is it because you’re a racist?
* Powell voted for the color of the man, rather than the content of his character.
* I’ll be waiting for an apology or evidence that the Grumman built Lunar Module exploded. We had a 100% safety record.
Your biases is affecting any critical thinking you think you may possess.
Obewon June 15th, 2014 at 18:25
“Obama has a PhD?”-D’oh! What is a Juris Doctor from Harvard Law confirming Barack Obama J.D. graduated “With Honors” within the top 10% of his class? You should apologize for playing anywhere near an Apollo 13 lunar module that Exploded in space nearly Killing everyone on board!
arc99 June 15th, 2014 at 19:32
on a side note, just to show you how bat-turd crazy the right wing has become, there is a segment of right wingers for whom not even Allen West is crazy enough.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/allen-west-wont-help-expose-obamas-ineligibility/
Allen West Won’t Help Expose Obama’s Ineligibility
……
combatvet
March 28, 2013 at 10:58 am
Allen West has now been exposed as a traitor and his military career a fraud. As an Army veteran myself I’d spit in his face for violating his oath of office that he gave upon entering the Army and the Congress. His support of the NDAA was a wakeup call to me, his refusal to speak to Lt. Zullo is a disgrace. He is, no matter what he claims, a coward. He is a disgrace to the uniform he wore and the office he held. All the BS he spewed was just a bunch of hot air. He lost the election because he abandoned his principles and his country. He’s just another RINO who should be prevented from ever representing our nation or our military ever again. I will copy this to all the veterans I know and ask that it be forwarded to everyone they know. This message must be sent far and wide. ALLEN WEST-TRAITOR!
Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/allen-west-wont-help-expose-obamas-ineligibility/#pQRmHPYcGAweBQgz.99
Bob Waas June 15th, 2014 at 22:58
You’re pathetically lost in your world of dishonesty. How can you believe Obama and his alleged academic accomplishments when no one has seen his transcripts.
You haven’t shown me where a Lunar Module blew up. The LM was the vehicle that saved their lives; which is why the astronauts came back to Grumman in Bethpage NY to shake our hands for a job well done. My younger brother also worked there as proven at this site http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=25206788&privcapId=7757271&previousCapId=35237&previousTitle=TELLABS%20INC
Obewon June 15th, 2014 at 23:11
How’s your failed birther ODS racism working out for you following TWO Obama Elections? E.g. Winning 2:1 in the Electoral College 365-173-Mc’Palin via 53% popular vote to 47%:) And then winning reelection 3:2 332-206 via 51% Popular Vote to 47%-Mitt’nRyan.
Canadian Born Ted Cruz / Birther Ben Carson in 2016~The double moron ticket.
William June 17th, 2014 at 18:32
Obama and his alleged academic accomplishments when no one has seen his transcripts..
You do understand that to be admitted to the bar in Illinois, one must complete law school and furnish transcripts right?
So just out of curiosity, how many white presidents have you demanded transcripts from?
arc99 June 15th, 2014 at 18:37
“”** Powell voted for the color of the man, rather than the content of his character.””
I assume you have some proof of that contemptible lie?
Bob Waas June 15th, 2014 at 22:28
The proof is Obama’s lying self. When a person lies constantly without conscience, they’re are sociopaths and he fits the pattern.
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/sociopath-characteristics.html
Obewon June 15th, 2014 at 22:57
POTUS Obama’s 73% honesty vs dissembler Waas who is well proven ‘a person who lies constantly without conscience, they*** are sociopaths and he fits the pattern’
President Obama’s nonpartisan Pulitzer Prize winning certified 73% honesty beats the crap out Birther Bob Waas delusions.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/
Bob Waas June 15th, 2014 at 23:24
You are living in a constant state of denial.
Try refuting some of these lies. It should keep you busy for a year or two. http://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/obama-252/
OldLefty June 16th, 2014 at 09:03
These things have ALL been debunked as lies or half truths, common to everyone.
I did a whole big list for you before.
While no one is going to go through a whole pre written list, I would be more than happy to do one or two at a time.
For example;
15) Avoided prosecution of Wall. St criminals
Although Obama had promised to prosecute Wall St. criminals, during his entire first term, his administration did not file any criminal charges against any of the top financial executives.
___________________________
The problem is that over the decades, most of these things HAVE been made legal.
“According to Justice Department guidelines, before bringing a criminal case, prosecutors must consider “the nature and seriousness of the offense, including the risk of harm to the public, and applicable policies and priorities, if any, governing the prosecution of corporations for particular categories of crime.”
The conventional wisdom is that simply charging a company with a crime raises the possibility of putting the firm out of business because customers, suppliers, counterparties and others will stop doing business with it. That is debatable, but it is a view that has been widely adopted by prosecutors.”
You can argue with it, but you have to explain why the the right has resisted any meaningful reform and/or prosecution.
Another example;
“61) Nominated a communist who said 9-11 was an inside job
In September 2009, Obama’s green czar Van Jones resigned after it was reported that he was a self described “communist” and had blamed George W. Bush for the September 11 attacks.”
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They fail to point out that van Jones, a communist in his youth also wrote a book, claiming.
“There will surely be an important role for nonprofit voluntary, cooperative, and community-based solutions,” Jones
writes on page 86. “But the reality is that we are entering an era during which our very survival will demand invention and innovation on a scale never before seen in the history of human civilization.
Only the business community has the requisite skills, experience, and capital to meet that need. On that score, neither the government nor the nonprofit and voluntary sectors can compete, not even remotely.”
As for van Jones being a 9/11 truther?
Your Politifact gives it a half truth.
Bus is van Jones as bad as the Bush convicted felons and Nicaraguan death squad leaders?
Also, have you seen;
The 935 lies of George W. Bush / Yes, you already knew. But now they’re actually quantifiable. Like, say, stab wounds.
http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/morford/article/The-935-lies-of-George-W-Bush-Yes-you-already-3296633.php
Bob Waas June 16th, 2014 at 16:54
We’re talking about Obama and his lies. Please do not justify bad behavior with other bad behavior by saying, “Bush and Clinton, et. al. lied, so it is okay for Obama to lie.” Obama lies with impunity and no one is holding him accountable.
OldLefty June 16th, 2014 at 18:42
We’re talking about Obama and his lies. Please do not justify bad behavior with other bad behavior by saying, “Bush and Clinton, et. al. lied, so it is okay for Obama to lie
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Wouldn’t think of it.
My points are;
1) You have not shown that Obama lies.
At worst you have shown that once in office it was not as easy to accomplish his agenda as he thought.
2) Bush DID lie with impunity, and you guys didn’t care, or didn’t know.
Bob Waas June 16th, 2014 at 21:04
How about, “If you like your doctor you can keep him” or, “if you like your insurance you can keep it.”
The left accused Bush of lying about Iraq, but they overlooked key facts in order to support their allegations. in building the case for war in Iraq, “President George W. Bush relied on the unanimous opinion of all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies.”
“Never mind that the bipartisan Robb-Silberman commission examined the intelligence on which Bush relied, and unanimously found that “the Intelligence Community did not make or change any analytic judgments in response to political pressure. … We conclude that it was the paucity of intelligence and poor analytical tradecraft, rather than political pressure, that produced the inaccurate pre-war intelligence assessments.”
“Never mind that Bush retained the same CIA director, George Tenet, who served under Bill Clinton. Tenet gave Bush the same intelligence assessment: that Saddam Hussein, the dictator of Iraq, possessed WMD is a “slam dunk.” Indeed, according to The Washington Post’s Bob Woodward, Bush was initially skeptical of the intelligence that reached that conclusion. When, on December 21, 2002, Tenet laid out the intelligence purportedly showing the existence of WMD stockpiles, Bush said, “This is the best we’ve got?”
Never mind that former secretary of State Hillary Clinton, then a New York senator, was particularly adamant about the threat posed by Saddam: “In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical- and biological-weapons stock, his missile-delivery capability and his nuclear program. … If left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
Obewon June 16th, 2014 at 21:44
Consumers Allowed to Keep non ACA compliant Health Care Plans Through 2017-MARCH 5, 2014 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/06/us/politics/obama-extends-renewal-period-for-noncompliant-insurance-policies.html
Inside the Fox News lie machine: fact-checking Sean Hannity on Obamacare reveals what everyone but Wass knows. ‘Sean Hannity and his viewer-guest devotees are easily debunked liars’ http://www.salon.com/2013/10/18/inside_the_fox_news_lie_machine_i_fact_checked_sean_hannity_on_obamacare/
Bob Waas June 16th, 2014 at 23:25
You better tell the White House the good news about the 23 million who signed up. It’s funny that you’re able to provide such great detail when none of those in charge of the program were able to do so. I guess they don’t have an “Obewonficticiousnumbergenerator”
Two of my doctors have dropped off my plan and if I want to continue to use them I have to do so as “out of network” at a higher costs.
Btw, the latest report said we still have between 40-50 million people uninsured; sounds like the same number as before.
We’ll see how successful ACA will be once all of the mandates are fully implemented. Obama changes the ACA law to coincide with the next election cycle so the folks don’t feel the full impact of the program.
Obewon June 17th, 2014 at 00:48
75 year old Wass -you claimed to be a child in “WW-II”
“Two of my doctors have dropped off my plan “-Wass Your Medicare Is Not Obamacare! LOL! Another Wass lie busted.
Bob Waas June 17th, 2014 at 18:39
My two doctors dropped Medicare patients because the reimbursements wouldn’t cover their costs. Is it directly related to ACA, no, but it is the effect of the reduced payments to the Advantage programs.
“As of May 2014, the Obama administration maintained that some 8 million people had thus far entrolled for Obamacare plans—and that this figure represented a great success. But in fact:
A McKinsey survey tracking the health insurance market’s first open enrollment period revealed that fuly 74% of those who signed up for the plan had been previously insured. In other words, they had likely lost their insurance coverage because of Obamacare’s new regulations, and thus purchased new ACA plans to replace what they had lost.
McKinsey “confidently” stated that only 1.7 million enrollees were previously uninsured, and that another 865,000 had purchased coverage off the exchanges. Thus, the complete upheaval of the nation’s healthcare system had thus far yielded coverage for only 2.6 million additional individual market enrollees.”
“An unknown number of the 8 million enrollees were duplicates, due to ongoing problems with the “back end” of the Healthcare.gov website, which still remained under construction. People who were unsure if they had initially gotten coverage were encouraged to go through the process a second time. How many of those “double enrollees” had been counted twice was not yet known.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/05/10/new-mckinsey-survey-74-of-obamacare-sign-ups-were-previously-insured/
Obewon June 17th, 2014 at 18:59
It’s good that you admit your Medicare isn’t the $1.5 T deficit reducing ACA which CBO proves actually ‘expands the Longevity of Medicare by reducing $500 B in 115% Over-payments to HC providers without decreasing benefits to Medicare Beneficiaries’-CBO also notes ‘The ACA’s reduction in Medicare Waste, Fraud & Abuse’ e.g. Over-payments.
Furthermore GWB’s “Medicare Part D prescription drug coverage totaled approximately $1.5 billion per year, or approximately 2.2% of the total $67.7 BILLION cost of Medicare Part D in 2011.”-W’s $500 B Unfunded Medicare Part D. is Not the ACA’s fully paid for upon 2010 signing ‘$1.5 T Deficit Reducing HC per CBO’ http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140303092645.htm
OldLefty June 17th, 2014 at 19:09
My two doctors dropped Medicare patients because the reimbursements wouldn’t cover their costs.
_______
That has been going on for the last 30 years at least.
And gallup is consistently reporting the lowest number of uninsured, since they started tracking it.
In every state so far, more insurers
are asking to participate in Obamacare
June 12, 2014
http://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/blog/2014/06/insurers-jumping-in-year-2
The uninsured rate in Minnesota has
plunged 40 percent, according to a new study
http://www.businessinsider.com/minnesota-uninsured-rate-plunges-obamacare-2014-6
Obamacare Has Drastically Cut The Uninsured Rate For Blacks, Hispanics
http://www.gallup.com/poll/170882/uninsured-rate-holds-steady.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=All%20Gallup%20Headlines%20-%20Well-Being
Obamacare Is Slashing Those Crazy COBRA
Premiums
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117948/how-obamacare-affects-cobra-why-unemployed-widows-are-better
William June 17th, 2014 at 19:36
My two doctors dropped Medicare patients because the reimbursements wouldn’t cover their costs. Is it directly related to ACA, no,
So you freely admit (after getting busted by Obe), that the ACA had nothing to do with your problems.
Medicare? Isn’t that one of those liberal commie “entitlement” socialist programs?
For shame.
OldLefty June 17th, 2014 at 08:25
How about, “If you like your doctor you can keep him” or, “if you like your insurance you can keep it.”
____________
He was correct.
I can show you the exact part of the only healthcare bill at the time, HR 3200, Subtitle C–Individual Affordability Credits ; Sec. 246, where it was actually, Joe, “You lie” Wilson, who was either ignorant or lying.
I assume that those who want to say that Obama lied can do the same.
So where in the law does he say that you can not keep your own doctor or policy?
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590enr.pdf
Shall I post my decades of newspaper clippings about insurers canceling policies and narrowing networks?
BushCheney and the Iraq group DID lie about the evidence, although I don’t know if Bush was ever in the loop. I don’t know if he knew this was the plan when he was running.
Bob Graham, wants to acquire, to has
Warnings on WMD ‘Fabricator’ Were Ignored, Ex-CIA
Aide Says
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/24/AR2006062401081_pf.html
3/14/2002;
Downing Street memo: “Condi’s enthusiasm for regime
change is undimmed…Bush has yet to find the answers to the big questions…what
happens the morning after?” [Date the public knew: 9/18/04]
3/15/2002;
British intel reports that there’s only “sporadic and patchy”
evidence of Iraqi WMD. “There is no intelligence on any [biological
weapons] production facilities.” [Date the public knew: 9/18/04]
May,
2002; Primary corroborator of Curveball’s claims that Iraq has
mobile weapons labs is judged a liar and Chalabi plant by DIA. A fabricator warning
is posted in US intelligence databases. [Date the public knew: 3/28/04]
9/23/02 Institute for Science and International Security releases report
calling the aluminum- tube intelligence ambiguous and warning that “U.S.
nuclear experts who dissent from the Administration’s position are expected to
remain silent. ‘The President has said what he has said, end of story,’ one
knowledgeable expert said.”
INR is not persuaded that the tubes in question are intended for use a
centrifuge rotors. INR accepts the judgment of technical experts at the U.S.
Department of Energy (DOE) who have concluded that the tubes Iraq seeks to
acquire are poorly suited for use in gas centrifuges to be used for uranium
enrichment and finds unpersuasive the arguments advanced by others to make the
case that they are intended for that purpose.
Evidence on Iraq’s Aluminum
Tubes Misrepresented
http://www.ucsusa.org/scientific_integrity/abuses_of_science/aluminum-tubes-in-iraq.html
The left accused Bush of lying about Iraq, but they overlooked key facts in order to support their allegations. in building the case for war in Iraq, “President George W. Bush relied on the unanimous opinion of all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies.”
The bipartisan Robb-Silberman commission????
The whole point was meant to look at intel, NOT policy.
Intel, not the WhiteHouse.
They said; “there is no doubt that analysts operated in an environment shaped by intense policymaker interest,”.
As the Arms Control Association said about the report;
“The commission’s own fine work will be marked by this perceived politically correct conclusion. The commission could have been bolder and more strategic in its understanding of this critical issue, even within the constraints set by its mandate.”
As for; “Never mind that former secretary of State Hillary Clinton, then a New York senator, was particularly adamant about the threat posed by Saddam”
We ALL know that she either believed the president, or cowardly and just going along with the zeitgeist at the time.
If anyone actually believed that Saddam represented a real threat, they should have been talking about is BEFORE the election, not waiting for the PNAC’s “Pearl Harbor” moment;
“Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings
revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and
catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor.”
PNAC, Rebuilding America’s
Defenses, pp 51
Bob Waas June 17th, 2014 at 18:00
What the ACA says and what reality is are two different stories. I lost two doctors effective Jan 2014 because their reimbursements were being cut and the amount of paperwork increased tenfold. The policies lost were those which didn’t conform to the ACA requirements so the insurance companies dropped them. Only after receiving much negative press did Obama unlawfully make another change to the “law” for strictly political reasons.
There is no excuse for anyone who voted for the war to claim they were lied to and voted based on a lie. They had access to all the same intelligence information and it was their responsible to question, question, question.
I have less and less confidence in the integrity of our elected officials. Does anyone really believe Lois Lerner’s emails are lost due to a computer crash? If so, then they probably believed that the Nixon tape was accidentally erased too.
William June 17th, 2014 at 18:23
” I lost two doctors effective Jan 2014 “. Did you have them when you left the house? Try retracing your steps…and…oh yeah. BENGHAZI.
OldLefty June 17th, 2014 at 18:51
. I lost two doctors effective Jan 2014 because their reimbursements were being cut and the amount of paperwork increased tenfold.
_______
That’s been going on for 30 years, not to mention insurers narrowing networks.
99% of my husband’s patients are Medicare patients and they have been complaining about that for decades.
Ex;
Email from medscape:
Breaking News Alert
Massive Medicare Pay Cut Will Take
Effect April 1
March 26, 2010
— A 21.2% Medicare pay cut will take effect April 1 after the Senate today
failed to pass a bill extending the effective date to May 1 before lawmakers
recessed for 2 weeks.
So what was the excuse for policies being “lost” over the last 20 years?
And by the way, when most of those people breathlessly reported on TV were followed up by print journalists, (for example; Erik Wemple of the Washington Post called her shortly after the CBS article appeared. Nancy Metcalf of Consumer Reports examined her case and provided a detailed breakdown of what insurance she has today versus what she could buy for next
year.
As she’s become more aware of her options, she said, she’s no longer aghast at losing her plan—and curious to see what alternatives are available. “Maybe,” she told me, “it’s a blessing in disguise.”
” When asked if she would be interested in the new options presented, she said: “I would jump at it.”
Lois Lerner’s emails were lost because, From WaPO;
Here’s what the IRS says happened. (A quick background on email before we begin. Email moves back and forth between servers. Email sent to IRS.gov goes to the IRS’ email server; emails sent from IRS.gov to, say, gmail.com, travel over the internet to Google’s email servers. You access your email using an email client, a tool that reads email from the server either directly or by downloading it first. As with everything tech-related, it is actually more complicated than this.)
Prior to the eruption of the IRS controversy last spring, the IRS had a policy of backing up the data on its email server (which runs Microsoft Outlook) every day. It kept a backup of the records for six months on digital tape, according to a letter sent from the IRS to Sens. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah). After six months, the IRS would reuse those tapes for newer backups. So when Congressional committees began requesting emails from the agency, its records only went back to late 2012.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/16/heres-how-the-irs-lost-emails-from-key-witness-lois-lerner/
There has never been anything to this story.
I think the scandal here is that Issa asked that the report only look at conservative groups.
arc99 June 15th, 2014 at 23:06
Your statement about Gen. Powell is a flat-out bigoted lie.
Nothing in your link contradicts that conclusion.
Bob Waas June 16th, 2014 at 07:39
You need to look up bigot in the dictionary, you’ll see that you’re using it incorrectly. Actually, you may see your picture there.
OldLefty June 16th, 2014 at 09:08
That’s pretty much how psychiatrist, Justin Frank described Bush in “Bush On The Couch”.
Can you REALLY not see that those characteristics apply more to GOP leadership, (Cruze, McConnell) than Obama?
arc99 June 15th, 2014 at 19:29
as soon as you show us Allen West’s birth certificate.
in the meantime, for the record, educate yourself
http://apps.americanbar.org/legaled/accreditation/Council%20Statements.pdf
2. J.D. Degree – Ph.D. Degree Equivalency
WHEREAS, the acquisition of a Doctor of Jurisprudence degree requires from 84
to 90 semester hours of post baccalaureate study and the Doctor of Philosophy
degree usually requires 60 semester hours of post baccalaureate study along with the writing of a dissertation, the two degrees shall be considered as equivalent
degrees for educational employment purposes;
Obewon June 15th, 2014 at 14:59
He is seriously delusional.
markfey June 14th, 2014 at 13:14
YEAH!
Qualified… That’s the ticket!
(Like Allen West,…. Right?)
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 16:02
You don’t like Ben Carson or Allen West because you’re a racist and don’t like black conservatives.
fahvel June 14th, 2014 at 03:53
imagine how peaceful Iraq would have been if they all woke up one morning and the us troops had just vanished.instead of tactically pulling out from somewhere where they didn’t belong. obamaizing from you is so very boring.
William June 14th, 2014 at 10:00
The blame game is not starting. The blame has been and still about the very same person that told us about WMD’s, smoking guns and mushroom clouds.
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:49
It is the Middle East – this has been going on for centuries. The reason we left Iraq with no residual forces was because the govt refused to guarantee security for the forces left behind.
The ME blows up – always – they are tribal and they do not recognize the artificial borders drawn up by the British.
The US has no clue how to deal with the Middle East situation – it never has and it never will.
Stan Ubeki June 14th, 2014 at 13:42
Obama did not make that decision. The timeline was negotiated and set in 2007. Everyone who paid attention knew about it. Obama actually wanted to extend it, but the Iraqis said no, we want all US troops out.
a June 14th, 2014 at 16:25
>> Wasn’t it Obama who spiked the ball by announcing to the world when we
would quit the fight? All that did is let the enemy wait until the
coast was clear.
No, it wasn’t.
>>
2008 U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement
In 2008 the American and Iraqi governments signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement which stipulates that all American forces should withdraw from Iraqi cities by 30 June 2009 and from Iraqi territory altogether by 31
December 2011. On 14 December 2008 then-President George W. Bush signed the security pact with Iraq.
————-
Can’t you be bothered to spend 60 seconds googling before you post dumb stuff about Obama?
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 16:40
That is like saying a fireman should leave a burning building because his shift ended. An agreement made 3 years prior should always be reviewed based on the current situation.
So, what you’re saying is when Obama bragged about ending the war in Iraq, it wasn’t really anything he did, but what GWB did 3 years prior? Interesting, thanks for clearing that up.
Btw, I don’t have to post dumb stuff by Obama, I just have to re-post the news of the day.
mea_mark June 14th, 2014 at 17:32
The agreement was reviewed and Maliki didn’t like it and told us to leave. Did you miss that part?
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 21:33
Thanks for confirming that Obama did nothing to end the war in Iraq, but it didn’t stop him from taking the credit.
Bob Waas June 13th, 2014 at 17:58
So the blame game starts. Wasn’t it Obama who spiked the ball by announcing to the world when we would quit the fight? All that did is let the enemy wait until the coast was clear.
Bob Waas June 13th, 2014 at 17:59
Yea, now I remember, it was him.
jasperjava June 13th, 2014 at 18:58
If you’re so eager for Americans to die, trying to fix what Dubya broke, why don’t you volunteer to be the first one.
We won’t miss you. Nobody will miss you. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
Chinese Democracy June 14th, 2014 at 00:37
he got that in his email.. I doubt he even knows what its about lol
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 12:09
Guess what, I photoshopped it myself, just like they did with Obama’s birth certificate. LOL
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 13:00
Yup – just proved it.
First “sheetheads” – “thin the herd” and now
a full born birther.
What an idiot.
fahvel June 14th, 2014 at 04:02
he won’t go – he is pure chicken shit and all mouth (albeit empty of intelligent sound)
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 12:04
Are you sure you’re a practicing Catholic?
jasperjava June 14th, 2014 at 12:18
Sure. I need lots of practice.
But at least I’m not the one who wants to send US troops to die in a war that was started on a pack of lies.
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 12:42
My war plan does not include boots on the ground.
Which pack of lies are you specifically talking about, the ones the Democrats were telling before Bush was president?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSwSDvgw5Uc
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:59
Who asked YOU to set up a “war plan”?
You are simply part of the problem.
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:58
Hey I’m not – and you are still really bad rubbish>
fahvel June 14th, 2014 at 04:01
you are sinking lower and lower – as if you weren’t there already.
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 12:07
I’m not the one to layout our strategic plans so the enemy can plan theirs to their benefit.
Obama telegraphs his weak options to the world; instead of keeping his mouth shut and letting the enemy be concerned with where the attack will come from. If you think that is a good military tactic, then you hooked your pony to the right wagon.
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:58
Sorry, still waiting for your service record?
mea_mark June 13th, 2014 at 18:15
Excuse me, Maliki wanted us gone, so we left. Maliki is a weak ineffectual leader that couldn’t or wouldn’t bring the people together. This is their fault, not ours. Trying to blame this on someone in an opposing political party to you makes you a political hack. You are the one that needs help, you should be spending more time watching Dr. Phil and spending less time here.
Bob Waas June 13th, 2014 at 20:57
Will you be protesting when Obama orders our military to get involved again? If Obama couldn’t negotiate having troop presence with a weak leader like Maliki, what does it say about him.
mea_mark June 13th, 2014 at 21:09
I think we should leave them alone and let them fight it out till everybody is a loser. Then when they realize fighting among themselves is stupid, if ever, we help them from a distance.
Bob Waas June 13th, 2014 at 21:50
I agree, let them fight each other and thin out the herd a little.
However, we are slaves to the oil coming out of the middle east, so that is why we get involved. Let us become oil independent so we don’t need those sheet heads. buying oil from them just finances terrorists.
AttilatheBlond June 13th, 2014 at 22:11
You do realize the US exports oil?
Bob Waas June 13th, 2014 at 23:03
U.S. oil exports have been banned for 40 years.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/01/08/u-s-oil-exports-have-been-banned-for-40-years-is-it-time-for-that-to-change/
Obewon June 13th, 2014 at 23:38
False: Unrefined US Oil Exports include Trans-Alaskan Pipeline oil, any oil that’s shipped to Canada for consumption, heavy oil from California, etc. And “there’s no ban on exporting oil once it’s been refined into gasoline or diesel fuel. In fact, U.S. refineries are now shipping record amounts of gasoline and diesel abroad:”-Another birther Bob Wass claim debunked by his own link!
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 12:02
Try keeping up, we were talking about oil, not byproducts.
Obewon June 14th, 2014 at 12:41
Try telling the truth just once: US Oil exports aren’t barred via your own link ”From California, Alaska, or to Canada, etc . RWNJ’s proudly enjoy debunking themselves via their own links! LOL.
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 12:45
Which part of this report is false?
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303851804579559173078617520
Obewon June 14th, 2014 at 13:00
“U.S. oil exports have been banned for 40 years.”-Bob Waas to AttilatheBlond • 14 hours ago And Wass’ own link debunked birther Bob’s claim proving there’s absolutely nobody more dishonest, or dimmer than a birther in 2014.
“U.S. Crude Oil Exports March, 2014 totaled 7.622 Million Barrels” in the month of March, 2014. the export chart also illustrates three-decade US record Low Oil production during GHWB & GWB”s admin when oil skyrocketed 10-fold from Clinton’s $12 to $14/brl to US Record $147/brl; in 2008. http://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCREXUS1&f=M (U.S. Exports of Crude Oil (Thousand Barrels Jan 2014-7,595 | Feb-2014-6,722 | March 2014-7,622)
Furthermore: Another Obama Success: There is “more oil produced at home than we buy from the rest of the world – the first time that’s happened in nearly 20 years.”-True!-POTUS Obama on Tuesday, January 28th, 2014 in the State of the Union address. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/jan/28/barack-obama/state-union-obama-says-us-produces-more-oil-it-buy/
AttilatheBlond June 14th, 2014 at 00:11
Oil exports as refined substances is still oil exports, and the US exports.
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 12:02
No, oil is oil, and products produced by oil are byproducts. If you had said the US exports products made from crude oil I would have agreed with you. In a capitalist society, processing oil and selling the products from them creates jobs.
arc99 June 13th, 2014 at 23:33
what is it with you folks on the right? why the constant need to use bigoted pejoratives to make a point? sheetheads?
has it occurred to you that patronizing FOX news or the Wall St Journal or the Plaza Hotel in New York City also puts money in the pockets of a Saudi billionaire?
is he a “sheethead” too?
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129584557
The second-largest holder of voting stock in News Corp. is Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, a nephew of the Saudi king. And through his philanthropies, Waleed has given generously to initiatives pursued by the imam, Feisal Abdul Rauf.
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 11:59
If you walk around with a sheet on your head, you can be referred to a sheet head; just like a bald man wearing a toupee is referred to as a rag head.
Please be sure to continue your policing of posters on this site when they use bigoted pejoratives.
“Saudi Prince Alwaleed bin Talal owns a 7 percent stake in News Corp — the parent company of Fox News — making him the largest shareholder outside the family of News Corp CEO Rupert Murdoch.”
Based on the reporting on Fox News vs. all the others, Fox has been the only one calling Islamic radicals for what they are. They also are number one as the most trusted news source by a recent Brookings poll. MSNBC is dead last.
http://theweek.com/speedreads/index/262933/speedreads-poll-fox-news-most-trusted-news-source-for-accurate-information#axzz34d6fancP
fahvel June 14th, 2014 at 03:59
from contrary and uninformed to a racist on one page – yuck!
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:57
He slipped that in didn’t he?
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:57
“sheet heads”?????
Wow.
THAT certainly explains YOU …
arc99 June 13th, 2014 at 21:15
right wingers will be protesting no matter what the President does.
the Iraqi government wanted us out, they did not want to negotiate anything. are right wingers really so resistant to facts that it renders you incapable of understanding the very basic concept that when a country unequivocally demands we leave, there is no negotiation?
in any event, could you please tell us all how many billions of dollars each year you want to spend to keep us in Iraq and how we will pay for it.
no spin, none of the usual right wing talking points, just give us a specific number. how much taxpayer money do you want to spend? right wingers complain about long term unemployment and welfare benefits, yet have no trouble advocating the indefinite expenditure of billions, if not trillions trying to save face over their catastrophic error in judgement.
so what’s the number Bob. how many billions of my and other citizens’ taxpayer dollars do you want to keep throwing at the mistake you right wingers made?
that’s the trouble with right wing war hysteria, eventually you run out of other people’s money.
Bob Waas June 13th, 2014 at 21:55
I commented a week ago how I would fight wars. It wasn’t well received by the liberals posting here, but my way wouldn’t involve rebuilding their countries or teaching their armies how to kill us.
When will you accept the fact that we would not have gone to war with Iraq if it wasn’t for votes by the Democrats? The president couldn’t do it without the votes. You can’t just simply change the history you don’t agree with.
arc99 June 13th, 2014 at 22:31
when will you accept the fact that I readily admit that the Democrats who supported the war made a dreadful mistake in listening to the right wingers running the Bush administration.
when will you accept the fact that it is profoundly hypocritical for right wingers to spend the past 5 years ranting about how the President must take responsibility for what happens on his watch, but as soon as the discussion turns to Iraq, the REPUBLICAN President and the REPUBLICANS in Congress are never mentioned when it comes to responsibility.
I have no desire to change history. It is revisionist right wingers who want to erase the fact that when it comes to Iraq, LIBERALS made the correct decision.
the fact is that in looking at the total vote in the House and the Senate, the majority of Democrats opposed the war, while Republicans were nearly unanimous in their support.
In summary, from a philosophical perspective, liberals were right and conservatives were wrong. From a party line perspective, Democrats were right and Republicans were wrong. No matter how much you attempt to deflect and change the subject, those are the facts
Bob Waas June 13th, 2014 at 22:47
Are you saying the Democrats who voted to go to war are stupid, just like the Republicans who voted to go to war?
mea_mark June 14th, 2014 at 08:39
They were lied to and deceived by the war-mongering right-wing. Republicans have brought much evil into this world and it is now time to keep them from gaining power again as the world starts the healing process.
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 12:33
They weren’t lied to, and they weren’t deceived. They were too lazy or too stupid to do their own research, or perhaps they had already made up their minds because they were beating the war drums for several years before Bush took office. Here is real evidence to my stated facts. Feel free to refute them.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSwSDvgw5Uc
arc99 June 14th, 2014 at 10:42
A minority of Democrats in Congress made a stupid decision.
Republicans in Congress made a stupid decision and were nearly unanimous in doing so.
Democrats were smart enough to eventually admit their mistake.
Republicans, not so much.
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:56
Yes … war IS stupid – and it is always the GUYS that want it – but they don’t want to do it themselves, they want to send MY kids to war.
You want war, get off your lazy butt and go somewhere to fight. But don’t tell us how to fight your bloody war. Put your ass where your big mouth is.
fahvel June 14th, 2014 at 03:57
ANSWER THE DAMNED QUESTION!
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 12:28
What is YOUR question?
William June 14th, 2014 at 10:05
“I commented a week ago how I would fight wars”.
Which is really all you can do….because.
A. You have never fought in a war and have no idea what you are talking about…but it facilitates point B.
B. Parroting the rest of the chickenhawks, Beck, Limbaugh, Hannidy, Oreilly, and Levine who like you, want to share their “expertise” in Military affairs, drop their “opinions” in your feeding bowl, so you can chime in to LL and make a fool of yourself….
again.
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 12:27
Having worked for a defense contractor, I am more qualified than Obama to give an opinion on how to fight a war. His strategy is not working very well and more have died in Afghanistan since he took over.
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:55
Sorry didn’t see your answer? Can we please have your service creds? Or did you just run around and install defective electric lines under the showers so our guys would be executed when they step on the mats?
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 13:07
What kind of sick comment is that? You want to debate Obama’s qualifications as a war commander fine, but don’t engage in false attacks.
As for my service credentials, I didn’t know they were required in order to have an opinion. Besides, they are sealed up and stored with Obama’s college transcripts. When he releases his I’ll release mine; fair enough?
William June 14th, 2014 at 13:16
Besides, they are sealed up and stored with Obama’s college transcripts. When he releases his I’ll release mine; fair enough?
Obamas credentials. Harvard Law review. Present position. Commander in Chief, appointed as such by a MAJORITY of voting Americans in accordance with the Constitution of these United States.
Your credentials. NONE. Present position. Right wing troll regurgitating the spew of other right wing non veterans.
William June 14th, 2014 at 13:05
“Having worked for a defense contractor”.
Which is JUST LIKE being in combat….
but hey…thanx for explaining just why your mindset is so warped.
OldLefty June 14th, 2014 at 13:19
That’s because Bush was diverted to Iraq.
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:54
You’re absolutely right. We don’t want or like your idea about “how to fight wars”. We are sick of war – we have had enough of YOUR wars killing our children.
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:53
Obama didn’t sign the Status of Forces agreement, your god Bush did!
OOps…
craig7120 June 13th, 2014 at 18:21
“Wasn’t it Obama who spiked the ball by announcing to the world when we would quit the fight? All that did is let the enemy wait until the coast was clear.”
Yes, he used a Mission Accomplished banner, remember?
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:52
After BUSH signed the Status of Forces agreement, yup – he sure did. Bush started this mess and he ended this mess.
The RWNJ’s need to put the blame on the guy that is responsible for ALL of those deaths and mutilations – on both sides.
Obewon June 13th, 2014 at 18:41
Wass Vs reality: GWB’s 2008 Status of Forces Agreement, was negotiated between the Bush administration and the Iraqi prime minister Nuri al-Maliki. That’s what set the Iraq troop withdrawal deadline of Dec. 31, 2011, for all U.S. troops to leave Iraq.-Politifact also links to GWB’S Admin ‘2008 Timetable to Leave Iraq in 2011’:-“Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq” document here. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/world/20081119_SOFA_FINAL_AGREED_TEXT.pdf There is absolutely nobody more consistently uninformed than irresponsible birther Bob Wass’ $6 T ignorance of US 4,486 KIA in Iraq http://icasualties.org/
fahvel June 14th, 2014 at 03:55
and you keep feeding him information and the thick skinned hater just never learns beyond the talking heads – but you educate others too – don’t stop.
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 21:37
I thought Obama was in control of whether we stayed or not because he later took credit for ending the war, but thanks to you I now know it was really GWB.
arc99 June 13th, 2014 at 19:09
You Obama-haters really need to back off on the hubris pills, and replace it with an extra large dose of reality.
Iraq is a sovereign nation. Their government wanted us out.
Aside from the fact that you folks on the right who are always ranting about government spending, never say a word about the hundreds of billions of dollars it would cost each year to stay in Iraq, how do you propose we ignore the express wishes of a government that is allegedly an ally?
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/us-troops-are-leaving-because-iraq-doesnt-want-them-there/247174/
U.S. Troops Are Leaving Because Iraq Doesn’t Want Them There
YOCHI J. DREAZENOCT 21 2011, 2:41 PM
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,
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“We have serious security problems in this country and serious political problems,” he said in an interview late last month at his heavily guarded compound in Baghdad. “Keeping Americans in Iraq longer isn’t the answer to the problems of Iraq. It may be an answer to the problems of the U.S., but it’s definitely not the solution to the problems of my country.”
Shiite leaders — including many from Maliki’s own Dawaa Party — were even more strongly opposed, with followers of radical Shia cleric Moqtada al-Sadr threatening renewed violence if any American troops stayed past the end of the year. The Sadr threat was deeply alarming to Iraqis just beginning to rebuild their lives and their country after the bloody sectarian strife which ravaged Iraq for the past eight and a half years.
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:51
Thanks – I said that above as well. We simply cannot keep inserting ourselves into other nation’s problems. Bush began this whole mess (under the direction of Darth) – and it is now finished. Let the Middle East do what it has been doing for centuries.
Chinese Democracy June 14th, 2014 at 00:40
black presidents really get under your skin huh
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 12:40
No, black presidents don’t get under my skin; unqualified presidents get under my skin just like when Jimmy Carter was president. I will gladly vote for any black candidate who espouses what has made America great and won’t apologize for its greatness.. How about Ben Carson, or Allen West; will you vote for them, or do you have a problem with black conservatives?
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:50
OMG are you serious? You can’t be … no one would think Ben Carson or Alan West is even qualified. But good luck with that .. okey dokey?
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 16:06
Well, how about we compare resumes for these two men with your beloved Obama. We can even compare college transcripts if you would like. Don’t forget to use Obama’s military experience when comparing him to West.
Obewon June 15th, 2014 at 15:12
‘How about we compare…’ reelected Commander In Chief Obama Ph.D graduating within the top 10% of his Harvard Law class MagnaCumLaude and 5 year+ Military record, relaunching GWB’s $6 T closed search for bin Laden that rendered “Geronimo EKIA” vs two unelectable tea clowns including Torturer Allen West who was fined $5,000, busted in rank & booted from the US Military, Fired by voters in his specially crafted district after 1 term, and then Fired again by conservative PJ Media for anti-Semitic misogyny.
Next-up why today’s GOP hates four-star general Colin Powell 65th Secretary of State, serving under 3 repub POTUS the first African American to serve in many positions, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, National Security Adviser, etc.
Meanwhile Ben Carson “suddenly retired” after clients dried up when prospects asked themselves ‘who would trust having their head examined by a nutcase?’ A: Birther Bob Wass who claims to have worked for a company that built the ill-fated Apollo-13 lunar module that Exploded in space -venting atmosphere that nearly killed all aboard! http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x11e2y_ozzy-osbourne-crazy-train_music
Bob Waas June 15th, 2014 at 17:42
* Obama has a PhD? Show me his college transcripts.
* Obama’s military record? ROTFL
* Allen West a war hero, guilty of being too aggressive; that’s all.
* Any evidence to prove your accusations against Dr. Carson, or is it because you’re a racist?
* Powell voted for the color of the man, rather than the content of his character.
* I’ll be waiting for an apology or evidence that the Grumman built Lunar Module exploded. We had a 100% safety record.
Your biases is affecting any critical thinking you think you may possess.
Obewon June 15th, 2014 at 18:25
“Obama has a PhD?-Wass.” What is a Juris Doctor from Harvard Law confirming Barack Obama J.D. graduated “With Honors” within the top 10% of his class? You should apologize for playing ‘AstroNut’ anywhere near any Apollo 13 component that Exploded in space nearly Killing everyone on board! (These and other points preemptively posted above debunked your racist birther gibberish)
arc99 June 15th, 2014 at 19:32
on a side note, just to show you how bat-turd crazy the right wing has become, there is a segment of right wingers for whom not even Allen West is crazy enough.
http://www.westernjournalism.com/allen-west-wont-help-expose-obamas-ineligibility/
Allen West Won’t Help Expose Obama’s Ineligibility
……
combatvet
March 28, 2013 at 10:58 am
Allen West has now been exposed as a traitor and his military career a fraud. As an Army veteran myself I’d spit in his face for violating his oath of office that he gave upon entering the Army and the Congress. His support of the NDAA was a wakeup call to me, his refusal to speak to Lt. Zullo is a disgrace. He is, no matter what he claims, a coward. He is a disgrace to the uniform he wore and the office he held. All the BS he spewed was just a bunch of hot air. He lost the election because he abandoned his principles and his country. He’s just another RINO who should be prevented from ever representing our nation or our military ever again. I will copy this to all the veterans I know and ask that it be forwarded to everyone they know. This message must be sent far and wide. ALLEN WEST-TRAITOR!
Read more at http://www.westernjournalism.com/allen-west-wont-help-expose-obamas-ineligibility/#pQRmHPYcGAweBQgz.99
Bob Waas June 15th, 2014 at 22:58
You’re pathetically lost in your world of dishonesty. How can you believe Obama and his alleged academic accomplishments when no one has seen his transcripts.
You haven’t shown me where a Lunar Module blew up. The LM was the vehicle that saved their lives; which is why the astronauts came back to Grumman in Bethpage NY to shake our hands for a job well done. My younger brother also worked there as proven at this site http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=25206788&privcapId=7757271&previousCapId=35237&previousTitle=TELLABS%20INC
Obewon June 15th, 2014 at 23:11
How’s your failed birther ODS racism working out for you following “Barack Obama J.D.” winning both Presidential elections? Birthers lost by 2:1 in the Electoral College 365-173-Mc’Palin via 53% popular vote to 47%, with the President winning reelection 3:2 332-206 via 51% Popular Vote to 47%-Mitt’nRyan.
Canadian Born Ted Cruz / Birther Ben Carson in 2016~The delusional disorder paranoid psychosis ticket.
William June 17th, 2014 at 18:32
Obama and his alleged academic accomplishments when no one has seen his transcripts..
You do understand that to be admitted to the bar in Illinois, one must complete law school and furnish transcripts right?
So just out of curiosity, how many white presidents have you demanded transcripts from?
arc99 June 15th, 2014 at 18:37
“”** Powell voted for the color of the man, rather than the content of his character.””
I assume you have some proof of that contemptible lie?
a number of prominent Republicans endorsed the President in 2008. I do not think it is at all coincidence that only the black Republican is accused of doing so because of race.
Bob Waas June 15th, 2014 at 22:28
The proof is Obama’s lying self. When a person lies constantly without conscience, they’re are sociopaths and he fits the pattern.
http://www.buzzle.com/articles/sociopath-characteristics.html
Obewon June 15th, 2014 at 22:57
POTUS Obama’s 73% honesty vs dissembler Waas who is well proven ‘a person who lies constantly without conscience, they*** are sociopaths and he fits the pattern’
President Obama’s nonpartisan Pulitzer Prize winning certified 73% honesty beats the crap out of Birther Bob Waas’ Obama Derangement Syndrome delusional psychosis.
http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/
Bob Waas June 15th, 2014 at 23:24
You are living in a constant state of denial.
Try refuting some of these lies. It should keep you busy for a year or two. http://danfromsquirrelhill.wordpress.com/2013/08/15/obama-252/
OldLefty June 16th, 2014 at 09:03
These things have ALL been debunked as lies or half truths, common to everyone.
I did a whole big list for you before.
While no one is going to go through a whole pre written list, I would be more than happy to do one or two at a time.
For example;
15) Avoided prosecution of Wall. St criminals
Although Obama had promised to prosecute Wall St. criminals, during his entire first term, his administration did not file any criminal charges against any of the top financial executives.
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The problem is that over the decades, most of these things HAVE been made legal.
“According to Justice Department guidelines, before bringing a criminal case, prosecutors must consider “the nature and seriousness of the offense, including the risk of harm to the public, and applicable policies and priorities, if any, governing the prosecution of corporations for particular categories of crime.”
The conventional wisdom is that simply charging a company with a crime raises the possibility of putting the firm out of business because customers, suppliers, counterparties and others will stop doing business with it. That is debatable, but it is a view that has been widely adopted by prosecutors.”
You can argue with it, but you have to explain why the the right has resisted any meaningful reform and/or prosecution.
Another example;
“61) Nominated a communist who said 9-11 was an inside job
In September 2009, Obama’s green czar Van Jones resigned after it was reported that he was a self described “communist” and had blamed George W. Bush for the September 11 attacks.”
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They fail to point out that van Jones, a communist in his youth also wrote a book, claiming.
“There will surely be an important role for nonprofit voluntary, cooperative, and community-based solutions,” Jones
writes on page 86. “But the reality is that we are entering an era during which our very survival will demand invention and innovation on a scale never before seen in the history of human civilization.
Only the business community has the requisite skills, experience, and capital to meet that need. On that score, neither the government nor the nonprofit and voluntary sectors can compete, not even remotely.”
As for van Jones being a 9/11 truther?
Your Politifact gives it a half truth.
Bus is van Jones as bad as the Bush convicted felons and Nicaraguan death squad leaders?
Also, have you seen;
The 935 lies of George W. Bush / Yes, you already knew. But now they’re actually quantifiable. Like, say, stab wounds.
http://www.sfgate.com/entertainment/morford/article/The-935-lies-of-George-W-Bush-Yes-you-already-3296633.php
Bob Waas June 16th, 2014 at 16:54
We’re talking about Obama and his lies. Please do not justify bad behavior with other bad behavior by saying, “Bush and Clinton, et. al. lied, so it is okay for Obama to lie.” Obama lies with impunity and no one is holding him accountable.
OldLefty June 16th, 2014 at 18:42
We’re talking about Obama and his lies. Please do not justify bad behavior with other bad behavior by saying, “Bush and Clinton, et. al. lied, so it is okay for Obama to lie
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Wouldn’t think of it.
My points are;
1) You have not shown that Obama lies.
At worst you have shown that once in office it was not as easy to accomplish his agenda as he thought.
2) Bush DID lie with impunity, and you guys didn’t care, or didn’t know.
Bob Waas June 16th, 2014 at 21:04
How about, “If you like your doctor you can keep him” or, “if you like your insurance you can keep it.”
The left accused Bush of lying about Iraq, but they overlooked key facts in order to support their allegations. in building the case for war in Iraq, “President George W. Bush relied on the unanimous opinion of all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies.”
“Never mind that the bipartisan Robb-Silberman commission examined the intelligence on which Bush relied, and unanimously found that “the Intelligence Community did not make or change any analytic judgments in response to political pressure. … We conclude that it was the paucity of intelligence and poor analytical tradecraft, rather than political pressure, that produced the inaccurate pre-war intelligence assessments.”
“Never mind that Bush retained the same CIA director, George Tenet, who served under Bill Clinton. Tenet gave Bush the same intelligence assessment: that Saddam Hussein, the dictator of Iraq, possessed WMD is a “slam dunk.” Indeed, according to The Washington Post’s Bob Woodward, Bush was initially skeptical of the intelligence that reached that conclusion. When, on December 21, 2002, Tenet laid out the intelligence purportedly showing the existence of WMD stockpiles, Bush said, “This is the best we’ve got?”
Never mind that former secretary of State Hillary Clinton, then a New York senator, was particularly adamant about the threat posed by Saddam: “In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical- and biological-weapons stock, his missile-delivery capability and his nuclear program. … If left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
Obewon June 16th, 2014 at 21:44
Consumers Allowed to Keep non ACA compliant Health Care Plans Through 2017-MARCH 5, 2014 http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/06/us/politics/obama-extends-renewal-period-for-noncompliant-insurance-policies.html (If you lost your doctor, or consumer HC policy it’s your insurers fault.)
Inside the Fox News lie machine: fact-checking Sean Hannity on Obamacare reveals what everyone knows. ‘Sean Hannity and his viewer-guest devotees are easily debunked liars’ http://www.salon.com/2013/10/18/inside_the_fox_news_lie_machine_i_fact_checked_sean_hannity_on_obamacare/
23 M+ bought ObamaCare policies from HC.Gov & the State ACA exchanges because consumers saved up to 70% just like Hannity’s debunked devotees above.
HC.Gov QHPs as of June 12, 2014: 7.50M (Paid) / 8.40M (Total)
• Estimated Total, all sources: (23.6 M – 28.2 M)
• Individual QHP Range: (15.5M – 16.4M)
• Medicaid/CHIP (6.3M – 8.5M)
• ESIs (154K confirmed; up to 8M more possible)
• Sub26ers (1.63M – 3.13M) http://acasignups.net/
Bob Waas June 16th, 2014 at 23:25
You better tell the White House the good news about the 23 million who signed up. It’s funny that you’re able to provide such great detail when none of those in charge of the program were able to do so. I guess they don’t have an “Obewonficticiousnumbergenerator”
Two of my doctors have dropped off my plan and if I want to continue to use them I have to do so as “out of network” at a higher costs.
Btw, the latest report said we still have between 40-50 million people uninsured; sounds like the same number as before.
We’ll see how successful ACA will be once all of the mandates are fully implemented. Obama changes the ACA law to coincide with the next election cycle so the folks don’t feel the full impact of the program.
Obewon June 17th, 2014 at 00:48
75 year old Wass -you claimed to be a child in “WW-II”
“Two of my doctors have dropped off my plan “-Wass. Your Medicare Is Not ObamaCare! LOL. Another Wass lie busted.
HC.Gov & ACA State exchange totals above are linked through today June 12, 2014. Here are HC.Gov & state preliminary totals through March 31, 2014. As always your Fantasy News Casters never told you, or “updated” you with anything accurate. http://aspe.hhs.gov/health/reports/2014/MarketPlaceEnrollment/Apr2014/Marketplace_StateSum.cfm
Bob Waas June 17th, 2014 at 18:39
My two doctors dropped Medicare patients because the reimbursements wouldn’t cover their costs. Is it directly related to ACA, no, but it is the effect of the reduced payments to the Advantage programs.
“As of May 2014, the Obama administration maintained that some 8 million people had thus far entrolled for Obamacare plans—and that this figure represented a great success. But in fact:
A McKinsey survey tracking the health insurance market’s first open enrollment period revealed that fuly 74% of those who signed up for the plan had been previously insured. In other words, they had likely lost their insurance coverage because of Obamacare’s new regulations, and thus purchased new ACA plans to replace what they had lost.
McKinsey “confidently” stated that only 1.7 million enrollees were previously uninsured, and that another 865,000 had purchased coverage off the exchanges. Thus, the complete upheaval of the nation’s healthcare system had thus far yielded coverage for only 2.6 million additional individual market enrollees.”
“An unknown number of the 8 million enrollees were duplicates, due to ongoing problems with the “back end” of the Healthcare.gov website, which still remained under construction. People who were unsure if they had initially gotten coverage were encouraged to go through the process a second time. How many of those “double enrollees” had been counted twice was not yet known.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/05/10/new-mckinsey-survey-74-of-obamacare-sign-ups-were-previously-insured/
Obewon June 17th, 2014 at 18:59
It’s good that you admit your Medicare isn’t the $1.5 T deficit reducing ACA which CBO proves actually ‘expands the Longevity of Medicare by reducing $500 B in 115% Over-payments to HC providers without decreasing benefits to Medicare Beneficiaries’-CBO also notes ‘The ACA’s reduction in Medicare Waste, Fraud & Abuse’ e.g. Over-payments.
Furthermore GWB’s “Medicare Part D prescription drug coverage “2% Savings vs 98% Cost” totaled approximately $1.5 billion per year, or approximately 2.2% of the total $67.7 BILLION cost of Medicare Part D in 2011.”-W’s $500 B Unfunded Medicare Part D. is Not the ACA’s fully paid for upon 2010 signing ‘$1.5 T Federal Deficit Reducing HC insurance reform law per CBO’ http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/03/140303092645.htm
OldLefty June 17th, 2014 at 19:09
My two doctors dropped Medicare patients because the reimbursements wouldn’t cover their costs.
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That has been going on for the last 30 years at least.
And gallup is consistently reporting the lowest number of uninsured, since they started tracking it.
In every state so far, more insurers
are asking to participate in Obamacare
June 12, 2014
http://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/blog/2014/06/insurers-jumping-in-year-2
The uninsured rate in Minnesota has
plunged 40 percent, according to a new study
http://www.businessinsider.com/minnesota-uninsured-rate-plunges-obamacare-2014-6
Obamacare Has Drastically Cut The Uninsured Rate For Blacks, Hispanics
http://www.gallup.com/poll/170882/uninsured-rate-holds-steady.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=syndication&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=All%20Gallup%20Headlines%20-%20Well-Being
Obamacare Is Slashing Those Crazy COBRA
Premiums
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117948/how-obamacare-affects-cobra-why-unemployed-widows-are-better
William June 17th, 2014 at 19:36
My two doctors dropped Medicare patients because the reimbursements wouldn’t cover their costs. Is it directly related to ACA, no,
So you freely admit (after getting busted by Obe), that the ACA had nothing to do with your problems.
Medicare? Isn’t that one of those liberal commie “entitlement” socialist programs?
For shame.
OldLefty June 17th, 2014 at 08:25
How about, “If you like your doctor you can keep him” or, “if you like your insurance you can keep it.”
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He was correct.
I can show you the exact part of the only healthcare bill at the time, HR 3200, Subtitle C–Individual Affordability Credits ; Sec. 246, where it was actually, Joe, “You lie” Wilson, who was either ignorant or lying.
I assume that those who want to say that Obama lied can do the same.
So where in the law does he say that you can not keep your own doctor or policy?
http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3590enr/pdf/BILLS-111hr3590enr.pdf
Shall I post my decades of newspaper clippings about insurers canceling policies and narrowing networks?
BushCheney and the Iraq group DID lie about the evidence, although I don’t know if Bush was ever in the loop. I don’t know if he knew this was the plan when he was running.
Bob Graham, wants to acquire, to has
Warnings on WMD ‘Fabricator’ Were Ignored, Ex-CIA
Aide Says
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/24/AR2006062401081_pf.html
3/14/2002;
Downing Street memo: “Condi’s enthusiasm for regime
change is undimmed…Bush has yet to find the answers to the big questions…what
happens the morning after?” [Date the public knew: 9/18/04]
3/15/2002;
British intel reports that there’s only “sporadic and patchy”
evidence of Iraqi WMD. “There is no intelligence on any [biological
weapons] production facilities.” [Date the public knew: 9/18/04]
May,
2002; Primary corroborator of Curveball’s claims that Iraq has
mobile weapons labs is judged a liar and Chalabi plant by DIA. A fabricator warning
is posted in US intelligence databases. [Date the public knew: 3/28/04]
9/23/02 Institute for Science and International Security releases report
calling the aluminum- tube intelligence ambiguous and warning that “U.S.
nuclear experts who dissent from the Administration’s position are expected to
remain silent. ‘The President has said what he has said, end of story,’ one
knowledgeable expert said.”
INR is not persuaded that the tubes in question are intended for use a
centrifuge rotors. INR accepts the judgment of technical experts at the U.S.
Department of Energy (DOE) who have concluded that the tubes Iraq seeks to
acquire are poorly suited for use in gas centrifuges to be used for uranium
enrichment and finds unpersuasive the arguments advanced by others to make the
case that they are intended for that purpose.
Evidence on Iraq’s Aluminum
Tubes Misrepresented
http://www.ucsusa.org/scientific_integrity/abuses_of_science/aluminum-tubes-in-iraq.html
The left accused Bush of lying about Iraq, but they overlooked key facts in order to support their allegations. in building the case for war in Iraq, “President George W. Bush relied on the unanimous opinion of all 16 U.S. intelligence agencies.”
The bipartisan Robb-Silberman commission????
The whole point was meant to look at intel, NOT policy.
Intel, not the WhiteHouse.
They said; “there is no doubt that analysts operated in an environment shaped by intense policymaker interest,”.
As the Arms Control Association said about the report;
“The commission’s own fine work will be marked by this perceived politically correct conclusion. The commission could have been bolder and more strategic in its understanding of this critical issue, even within the constraints set by its mandate.”
As for; “Never mind that former secretary of State Hillary Clinton, then a New York senator, was particularly adamant about the threat posed by Saddam”
We ALL know that she either believed the president, or cowardly and just going along with the zeitgeist at the time.
If anyone actually believed that Saddam represented a real threat, they should have been talking about is BEFORE the election, not waiting for the PNAC’s “Pearl Harbor” moment;
“Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings
revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and
catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor.”
PNAC, Rebuilding America’s
Defenses, pp 51
Bob Waas June 17th, 2014 at 18:00
What the ACA says and what reality is are two different stories. I lost two doctors effective Jan 2014 because their reimbursements were being cut and the amount of paperwork increased tenfold. The policies lost were those which didn’t conform to the ACA requirements so the insurance companies dropped them. Only after receiving much negative press did Obama unlawfully make another change to the “law” for strictly political reasons.
There is no excuse for anyone who voted for the war to claim they were lied to and voted based on a lie. They had access to all the same intelligence information and it was their responsible to question, question, question.
I have less and less confidence in the integrity of our elected officials. Does anyone really believe Lois Lerner’s emails are lost due to a computer crash? If so, then they probably believed that the Nixon tape was accidentally erased too.
William June 17th, 2014 at 18:23
” I lost two doctors effective Jan 2014 “. Did you have them when you left the house? Try retracing your steps…and…oh yeah. BENGHAZI.
OldLefty June 17th, 2014 at 18:51
. I lost two doctors effective Jan 2014 because their reimbursements were being cut and the amount of paperwork increased tenfold.
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That’s been going on for 30 years, not to mention insurers narrowing networks.
99% of my husband’s patients are Medicare patients and they have been complaining about that for decades.
Ex;
Email from medscape:
Breaking News Alert
Massive Medicare Pay Cut Will Take
Effect April 1
March 26, 2010
— A 21.2% Medicare pay cut will take effect April 1 after the Senate today
failed to pass a bill extending the effective date to May 1 before lawmakers
recessed for 2 weeks.
So what was the excuse for policies being “lost” over the last 20 years?
And by the way, when most of those people breathlessly reported on TV were followed up by print journalists, (for example; Erik Wemple of the Washington Post called her shortly after the CBS article appeared. Nancy Metcalf of Consumer Reports examined her case and provided a detailed breakdown of what insurance she has today versus what she could buy for next
year.
As she’s become more aware of her options, she said, she’s no longer aghast at losing her plan—and curious to see what alternatives are available. “Maybe,” she told me, “it’s a blessing in disguise.”
” When asked if she would be interested in the new options presented, she said: “I would jump at it.”
Lois Lerner’s emails were lost because, From WaPO;
Here’s what the IRS says happened. (A quick background on email before we begin. Email moves back and forth between servers. Email sent to IRS.gov goes to the IRS’ email server; emails sent from IRS.gov to, say, gmail.com, travel over the internet to Google’s email servers. You access your email using an email client, a tool that reads email from the server either directly or by downloading it first. As with everything tech-related, it is actually more complicated than this.)
Prior to the eruption of the IRS controversy last spring, the IRS had a policy of backing up the data on its email server (which runs Microsoft Outlook) every day. It kept a backup of the records for six months on digital tape, according to a letter sent from the IRS to Sens. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and Orrin Hatch (R-Utah). After six months, the IRS would reuse those tapes for newer backups. So when Congressional committees began requesting emails from the agency, its records only went back to late 2012.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/06/16/heres-how-the-irs-lost-emails-from-key-witness-lois-lerner/
There has never been anything to this story.
I think the scandal here is that Issa asked that the report only look at conservative groups.
arc99 June 15th, 2014 at 23:06
Your statement about Gen. Powell is a flat-out bigoted lie.
Nothing in your link contradicts that conclusion.
Bob Waas June 16th, 2014 at 07:39
You need to look up bigot in the dictionary, you’ll see that you’re using it incorrectly. Actually, you may see your picture there.
OldLefty June 16th, 2014 at 09:08
That’s pretty much how psychiatrist, Justin Frank described Bush in “Bush On The Couch”.
Can you REALLY not see that those characteristics apply more to GOP leadership, (Cruze, McConnell) than Obama?
arc99 June 15th, 2014 at 19:29
as soon as you show us Allen West’s birth certificate.
in the meantime, for the record, educate yourself
http://apps.americanbar.org/legaled/accreditation/Council%20Statements.pdf
2. J.D. Degree – Ph.D. Degree Equivalency
WHEREAS, the acquisition of a Doctor of Jurisprudence degree requires from 84
to 90 semester hours of post baccalaureate study and the Doctor of Philosophy
degree usually requires 60 semester hours of post baccalaureate study along with the writing of a dissertation, the two degrees shall be considered as equivalent
degrees for educational employment purposes;
Obewon June 15th, 2014 at 14:59
He is seriously delusional.
markfey June 14th, 2014 at 13:14
YEAH!
Qualified… That’s the ticket!
(Like Allen West,…. Right?)
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 16:02
You don’t like Ben Carson or Allen West because you’re a racist and don’t like black conservatives.
fahvel June 14th, 2014 at 03:53
imagine how peaceful Iraq would have been if they all woke up one morning and the us troops had just vanished.instead of tactically pulling out from somewhere where they didn’t belong. obamaizing from you is so very boring.
William June 14th, 2014 at 10:00
The blame game is not starting. The blame has been and still about the very same person that told us about WMD’s, smoking guns and mushroom clouds.
BanditBasheert June 14th, 2014 at 12:49
It is the Middle East – this has been going on for centuries. The reason we left Iraq with no residual forces was because the govt refused to guarantee security for the forces left behind.
The ME blows up – always – they are tribal and they do not recognize the artificial borders drawn up by the British.
The US has no clue how to deal with the Middle East situation – it never has and it never will.
Stan Ubeki June 14th, 2014 at 13:42
Obama did not make that decision. The timeline was negotiated and set in 2007. Everyone who paid attention knew about it. Obama actually wanted to extend it, but the Iraqis said no, we want all US troops out.
a June 14th, 2014 at 16:25
>> Wasn’t it Obama who spiked the ball by announcing to the world when we
would quit the fight? All that did is let the enemy wait until the
coast was clear.
No, it wasn’t.
>>
2008 U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement
In 2008 the American and Iraqi governments signed the U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement which stipulates that all American forces should withdraw from Iraqi cities by 30 June 2009 and from Iraqi territory altogether by 31
December 2011. On 14 December 2008 then-President George W. Bush signed the security pact with Iraq.
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Can’t you be bothered to spend 60 seconds googling before you post dumb stuff about Obama?
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 16:40
That is like saying a fireman should leave a burning building because his shift ended. An agreement made 3 years prior should always be reviewed based on the current situation.
So, what you’re saying is when Obama bragged about ending the war in Iraq, it wasn’t really anything he did, but what GWB did 3 years prior? Interesting, thanks for clearing that up.
Btw, I don’t have to post dumb stuff by Obama, I just have to re-post the news of the day.
mea_mark June 14th, 2014 at 17:32
The agreement was reviewed and Maliki didn’t like it and told us to leave. Did you miss that part?
Bob Waas June 14th, 2014 at 21:33
Thanks for confirming that Obama did nothing to end the war in Iraq, but it didn’t stop him from taking the credit.
Jake June 13th, 2014 at 22:53
I just wonder if the right wing yahoos would be so pro-war if they actually had to fight instead of making up excuses not to. Should I…. ok then…time to roll out the oldest joke in the military.
Q. What is the smallest book in the world?
A. The republican book of war heroes.